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Title: pakistan=ally ?
Post by: lada on June 20, 2005, 04:10:23 AM
Well if we will have a look on US effort to spread democracy we will find some odd facts.

I were whinning in the past about US support to most of middle easter theocratic and dictatorships. It didnt take long to prove, that the only one interest in ME are money.

Lets have a look on Pakistan. It is run by ditator for quite long time, yet it is key ally of US according to Us official statemnt.
Because mr. Musharaff is good friend, this dictator were also revarded by permition to buy obsolete F-16s.

here is interesting article from contemporary pakistan.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4103556.stm


Just simple question is there anything else on US's "Pakistan to do" list  that selling weapons and make bussines [i didnt spot anything else] ?

Do you mind, that your goverment allow to sell weapons to dictator ?
Title: pakistan=ally ?
Post by: Holden McGroin on June 20, 2005, 04:25:53 AM
We did it with Stalin...
Title: pakistan=ally ?
Post by: Saintaw on June 20, 2005, 04:48:28 AM

Oh yeah, they did it with Sadaam too... just wait a couple years, they'll invade Pakistan as well!



*Runs like hell*
Title: pakistan=ally ?
Post by: lada on June 20, 2005, 04:53:14 AM
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
We did it with Stalin...


Well i didnt ask with who you have done it in the past. :D

im asking if you mind or not... If you shame for that or not .
Title: pakistan=ally ?
Post by: Nilsen on June 20, 2005, 06:05:44 AM
Dont let this thread turn ugly please.. remember last week? :)

oh ok yes.. maybe im abit sensetive these days, but last weeks events should make everyone think twice before posting something that may not be taken in the manner it was meant ;)

And lobsters like me (yes..been sunny this weekend :D ) should not crawl in the trap either... so whatthejunk am i doing here in the first place..

*poof*
Title: Re: pakistan=ally ?
Post by: mora on June 20, 2005, 07:16:05 AM
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Originally posted by lada
obsolete F-16s.

hardly (http://kuku.sawf.org/Articles/1038.aspx)
Title: Re: Re: pakistan=ally ?
Post by: lada on June 20, 2005, 07:57:00 AM
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Originally posted by mora
hardly (http://kuku.sawf.org/Articles/1038.aspx)


hardly what ?

I didnt find that trade should be freez or aborted in article you posted.

Why do you think ?


btw this is quite funny article about this contract http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A1963-2005Mar25.html
Title: pakistan=ally ?
Post by: Nilsen on June 20, 2005, 08:04:23 AM
The F16's are not obsolete at all, but I cant imagine that the F16 production line will last for very much longer. The countries that are starting to look for new planes _now_ and within the next few years will prolly look for the next generation.
Title: Re: Re: Re: pakistan=ally ?
Post by: mora on June 20, 2005, 09:35:30 AM
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Originally posted by lada
hardly what ?

obsolete
Title: pakistan=ally ?
Post by: Boroda on June 20, 2005, 01:19:00 PM
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Originally posted by Nilsen
The F16's are not obsolete at all, but I cant imagine that the F16 production line will last for very much longer. The countries that are starting to look for new planes _now_ and within the next few years will prolly look for the next generation.


Hmmm.

I thought Pakistan had F-16s in the 80s, when their leader was... hmmm... another general IIRC, Ziya Ulkhak?

At least as I remember, colonel Rutskoy's Su-25 was shot by a Pakistani F-16. They later showed him the recovered Su-25's cockpit, it was like a hedgehog with rods from an air-to-air missile...
Title: Re: pakistan=ally ?
Post by: Raider179 on June 20, 2005, 01:29:06 PM
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Originally posted by lada
Well if we will have a look on US effort to spread democracy we will find some odd facts.

I were whinning in the past about US support to most of middle easter theocratic and dictatorships. It didnt take long to prove, that the only one interest in ME are money.

Lets have a look on Pakistan. It is run by ditator for quite long time, yet it is key ally of US according to Us official statemnt.
Because mr. Musharaff is good friend, this dictator were also revarded by permition to buy obsolete F-16s.

here is interesting article from contemporary pakistan.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4103556.stm


Just simple question is there anything else on US's "Pakistan to do" list  that selling weapons and make bussines [i didnt spot anything else] ?

Do you mind, that your goverment allow to sell weapons to dictator ?


Thats funny coming from someone who doesnt even post their own country of Origin.
Title: pakistan=ally ?
Post by: lada on June 20, 2005, 05:05:39 PM
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Originally posted by Boroda
Hmmm.

I thought Pakistan had F-16s in the 80s, when their leader was... hmmm... another general IIRC, Ziya Ulkhak?



Yeep they bough some 40 or so in 80's

But some 1/4 of those F16's are out of order now, some period of time they were lack of service parts ... yet they still wanna buy F16 :D
Title: Re: Re: pakistan=ally ?
Post by: lada on June 20, 2005, 05:09:33 PM
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Originally posted by Raider179
Thats funny coming from someone who doesnt even post their own country of Origin.


I expected yes i do .. or no i dont.
Use search button if you would like to know my homeland. You can find it in every 3rd post.
Its quite common here that when somebody run out of options, he ask for my country, origin and other things, whitch are not realated to discusion.

Since im terrorist lover, bush hater, commie bastige, you probably dont have to waste your time by searching of useless information.
Title: Re: Re: pakistan=ally ?
Post by: Sandman on June 20, 2005, 05:13:37 PM
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Originally posted by Raider179
Thats funny coming from someone who doesnt even post their own country of Origin.


Atlanta is a country? ;)
Title: pakistan=ally ?
Post by: Gunslinger on June 20, 2005, 05:55:29 PM
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Originally posted by lada
Yeep they bough some 40 or so in 80's

But some 1/4 of those F16's are out of order now, some period of time they were lack of service parts ... yet they still wanna buy F16 :D


Pakistan ordered F16s about 15 years ago from the US.  The US never delivered them after Pakistan did Nuke testing violationg its non-nuclear test ban proliferation treaty.