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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: FOGOLD on June 21, 2005, 05:44:04 AM
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Heres a nice little piece on one of your American Heroes from round where I come from. For all you history buffs out there.
http://heritage.scotsman.com/greatscots.cfm?id=667872005 (http://heritage.scotsman.com/greatscots.cfm?id=667872005)
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categorises Jones as somebody who "deserved the gallows oftener than once".
LOL.. Brits are so dang polite.
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i was thinking John paul jones was from europe, and what does this have to do with zeppelin
LMAO
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Originally posted by FOGOLD
Heres a nice little piece on one of your American Heroes from round where I come from. For all you history buffs out there.
http://heritage.scotsman.com/greatscots.cfm?id=667872005 (http://heritage.scotsman.com/greatscots.cfm?id=667872005)
Lemme get this straight.. the guy swipes the silver, then sends it back.
They burn nothing, rape nobody, and don't do the pillage thing. He didn't even tarry for a haggis or stop at the local Inn for a little R&R.
Mamby-Pamby raid, fer sure.
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"Sir! I have not yet begun to figh- oh, pardon me. Could I have a spot more of tea? Right then. Oh yes, where was I? Ah... right. As I was saying... I have not yet beg... what? Oh, terribly sorry, here's the cream. Mm-yes, rather. "
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:D
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Q: Did he kick some Brit butt?
A: Yup!
A hero for sure!
And the father of My Navy:D
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what? A Scotsman with a temper? whoda thunk?
lazs
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Lemme get this straight.. the guy swipes the silver, then sends it back.
They burn nothing, rape nobody, and don't do the pillage thing. He didn't even tarry for a haggis or stop at the local Inn for a little R&R.
Mamby-Pamby raid, fer sure.
Well, a behaviour typical for Russian Navy. I remember J.P.J. as a Russian admiral or "something related to flying machines lighter then air"... ;)
AFAIK he took part in the glorious Russian expedition to Mediterranian sea under admiral Ushakov, who was famous for never loosing any battle or ship and never having a single sailor captured by the enemy....
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Originally posted by Boroda
Well, a behaviour typical for Russian Navy. I remember J.P.J. as a Russian admiral or "something related to flying machines lighter then air"... ;)
AFAIK he took part in the glorious Russian expedition to Mediterranian sea under admiral Ushakov, who was famous for never loosing any battle or ship and never having a single sailor captured by the enemy....
Yup..after the war he took a commission in Russian Navy..but later left out of frustration.
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Originally posted by ASTAC
Yup..after the war he took a commission in Russian Navy..but later left out of frustration.
Yes. A frustration after a most successfull naval campaign in modern history :D
Nelson was a kid compared to Ushakov.
Sorry. My English is too simple to explain tactics used by Nelson at Trafalgar. Ushakov used it several years earier.
The history of Mediterrainian naval wars of late XVIII - early XIX centuries is very complicated. Napoleonic wars plus lack of communications... Russian task force was allied with British against Turks and then allied with Turks or French against British...
I have to see a book I have at home to see the listed victories of JPJ for Russian navy...
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I did find this on him:
When peace came Jones returned to Paris to collect prize money for the officers and men of the 'Bonhomme Richard'. He took another mistress Mrs Townsend, the French widow of an Englishman who probably bore him a son. Nothing is known of his fate. Whilst there, Thomas Jefferson, the new American Ambassador, recommended him for service with Russia. In 1788 he was made a Rear Admiral in the Russian Navy by the Empress Catherine II, a rank higher than he had received in the United States. As Kontradmiral check Pavel Ivanovich Jones he served with distinction under Prince Potemkin against the Turks in the Black Sea campaign. At the Battle of Liman he reconnoitred the Turkish Fleet in a rowboat during the night;repulsed the Turkish attacks killing about 3000 Turks,destroying 15 vessels and taking over 1600 prisoners at a cost to his squadron of one frigate and 18 killed. He wrote "I am delighted with the courage of the Russians, which is more glorious because it is without show-off." He was falsely charged with molesting a 10 year old butter seller, Katerina,the daughter of a German immigrant whilst living in St. Petersberg. The charge was dropped but in 1789 after a brief audience with Catherine, Jones left Russia never to return."
So it wasn't really frustration..but more a ruined reputation I think.
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and this:
"The prospect of service in the Russian Navy as a rear admiral now arose. Jones asserted that he would never renounce the glorious title of citizen of the United States. But men no less astute than Thomas Jefferson and George Washington seemed to think that employment in Russia, in the absence of any at home, would qualify him, in case of need, for still higher professional duties.
Arriving in Russia in April 1788, Jones was given command of a squadron in the Black Sea for a campaign against the Turks. Jones's grim dedication to his professional duties resulted in victories scarcely less daring and strategic than those in the American Revolution. It was primarily his operations that saved Kherson and the Crimea and decided the successful outcome of the war.
While he won the battles, however, his colleagues usurped the honors. “The first duty of a gentleman is to respect his own character,” he wrote in explanation of his aloofness from the deceit that surrounded him. “I saw that I must conquer or die,” he stated on his early recognition of the ineptitude as well as the villainy to which he was exposed. The intrigue against him grew, both professional and personal, including a baseless charge of moral turpitude, and Jones left Russia for France. Becoming progressively ill in Paris, Jones died there on July 18, 1792."
He of course had to go somewhere else because we disestablished our Navy after the Revolution. Probrably almost single handedly caused by that weenie Thomas Jefferson and his cowardly isolationist ways.
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Sorry. My mistske. He died before Ushakov's Med campaigns :(
I think I'll post something about battle of Liman and other battles tomorrow - I need to check with Navy record. His victories may look very "small" but he secured capturing Crimea.
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Great stuff. What a guy:aok
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Like JB73, I thought this was going to be a thread about the bass guitarist of Led Zeppelin. What a pair of philistines we are! Turns out that the JPJ being talked about is Lazs's great-great-great-great Grandfather.