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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: OIO on June 25, 2005, 02:38:16 PM
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When are they coming out?
Im saving up for one of them babies.
How will they affect game performance? Any idea on this Skuzzy?
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Originally posted by OIO
When are they coming out?
Im saving up for one of them babies.
How will they affect game performance? Any idea on this Skuzzy?
err alittle bit more info in your post will help
theres plenty of 1mb cache 64bit chips out there.
64bit wont make a blind bit of difference right now.
1mb helps quiet alot though.
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there are?
im looking for the AMD 64 bit system with 1mb l2 cache for gaming.
I thought they came out later this year.
Im thinking of upgrading my old athlon 1ghz with 2100 ddr ram to a new amd 64 bit rig...
i dont know much about this stuff so i was wondering if the 1mb cache makes that big of a difference. and if so, which ones would be coming out (or are out in the market now) and which motherboards/ram would go along with it?
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Originally posted by OIO
there are?
im looking for the AMD 64 bit system with 1mb l2 cache for gaming.
I thought they came out later this year.
Im thinking of upgrading my old athlon 1ghz with 2100 ddr ram to a new amd 64 bit rig...
i dont know much about this stuff so i was wondering if the 1mb cache makes that big of a difference. and if so, which ones would be coming out (or are out in the market now) and which motherboards/ram would go along with it?
doesnt really make a "big" difference, but it does make a difference.....lol if that makes sence.
Theres a 3700 and a 4000 that have 1mb. Just make sure its a San Diego core.
There are also dual cores now that have 1mb (PER core, so 2mb total)
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Originally posted by OIO
there are?
im looking for the AMD 64 bit system with 1mb l2 cache for gaming.
I thought they came out later this year.
Im thinking of upgrading my old athlon 1ghz with 2100 ddr ram to a new amd 64 bit rig...
i dont know much about this stuff so i was wondering if the 1mb cache makes that big of a difference. and if so, which ones would be coming out (or are out in the market now) and which motherboards/ram would go along with it?
amd64 3700
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103539
amd64 4000
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103529
amd FX 55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103527
amd x2 4400 dual core
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=120241&Category_Code=NA_2
amd x2 4800 dual core
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=120243&Category_Code=NA_2
whels
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Thanks whels.
Im really out of touch with computer stuff nowadays.
Ive searched the monarch website and tried to build a system (im not building my own again.. too much hassle and id probably end up with a PC that whines like a jet engine which is what i have now).
Time to ask you: Build Tac/OIO his new computer.
dual cores better for gaming? put 'em in. im in Orlando so like you, im in FLA and i think the cooling is important. damn heat.
bear in mind im replacing ALL my box.
i need 256mb vid card, a good sound card (my old sblive i really want to get rid off. I have good digital speakers though), no monitor...
need a new hard drive (size really not important, i only keep my games and emails and the occasional movie in it, even an 80gb HDD is good for me)
What would you build for me from that site? :)
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Myself,
And I am not quite sure if I will do this now... but I would get:
AMD Athlon 64 3700+ San Diego 939 socket 1MB L2 cache..$325
Abit AN8 motherboard.................. ......$120
Antec Performance TX1088AMG case
w/480W power supply................$150
Maxtor 200GB 6B200MO Hard Drive...$102
Gigabyte 6800GT GV-NX68T256D-B
video card w/256MB ram....................$350
Corsair DDR2 533 (PC2 4200) Ram
1GB.......................... ...........................$89
Gigabyte GH-PCU21-VG 2 CPU fan......$43
Which brings up a grand total of $1179 less the keyboard, speakers, sound card (if you don't use onboard sound) and a floppy drive (gotta have a floppy drive). All these prices and components are from Newegg.com.
Regards,
Malta
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Hi OIO,
this is a system from Monarch. ihavent bought systems from them but have bought parts. they seem to be a good company.
this is they system i would get right now if i were to buy.
i wasnt sure what all u needed so i put everything ud need
for a complete box xcept windows software. no monitor or speakers.
u might wana go with different video card. i really like my BFG. they only had the 6600 and 7800, seems they discontinued the 6800 ultra, so they dont have many instock and the 7800 is only
alittle more. but if total price too high we can always mix n change to bring it down.
i use audigy 2 zs for sounds. i would go with the dual core X2 CPUs they as fast as single core and if u have a programs that can run dual, u will benifit greatly.
Cooling, case fans are cheap and easy, but i run water, cools better but slightly more Complicated. if u keep the computer room
AC fairly good air cool is no problem just noisey.
whels
Quote Name : OIO
Placed : 06/28/2005 at 10:29:38 MDT
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220153 Logitech Deluxe Keyboard (Black) PS2 (967447-0403) 1 $14.00 $14.00
230107 Logitech MX510 Performance Optical Mouse (Red) (931179-0403) 1 $30.00 $30.00
80390 Monarch Furia Custom Desktop with SLI 1 $49.00 $49.00
Case: 100159 - NO PS - Antec Performance One P160 ATX Mi $125.00 $125.00
Power Supply: 100122 - PS 535W - Enermax EG565P-FMA REV.2.0 ATX $89.00 $89.00
Case Fan: 100887 - 120mm - Antec 120mm SmartCool Case Fan $18.00 $18.00
Motherboard: 110314 - Asus A8N-SLI NForce4 SLI Audio/GB-LAN/USB $142.00 $142.00
Processor: 120234 - AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ Dual-Core 1MB Per $619.00 $619.00
Thermal Grease: 800018 - Shin-Etsu G675 Thermal Grease (Cools CPU $14.00 $14.00
Heat Sink Fan: 130150 - Thermaltake A1772 AMD Recommended for Opt $49.00 $49.00
Memory: 140308 - DDR (400) 3200 - 2 GB (2 pcs 1GB) Corsair $299.00 $299.00
Hard Drive: 150239 - SATA - Western Digital (WD740GD) 74 GB/10 $175.00 $175.00
CD-ROM/DVD-ROM/CD-RW: 160796 - DVD-RW - Lite-On SOHW-1633S 16x4x16x-DVD- $99.00 $99.00
CD-RW/DVD-RW: 160020 - CD-RW - Lite-On SOHR-5239S 52X32X52-CD-RW $29.00 $29.00
Floppy Drive: 170101 - Mitsumi 1.44 MB 3.5" Floppy Drive $15.25 $15.25
Sound Card: 180329 - Creative Audigy 2 ZS 24BIT/5.1/IEEE/MIDI/ $96.00 $96.00
Video Card: 190490 - BFG Geforce 7800 GTX OC 256MB GDDR3/PCI-E $624.00 $624.00
None
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Additional Software: None
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Napster Promotion: 270136 - FREE Napster Music Download for 4 Months
Half Life 2 Promotion: 27F854 - FREE Half Life 2 Full Version Coupon with
CD-RW Software: 210613 - Ahead Nero 6.3 Suite DVD+-RW Software (OE $6.99 $6.99
DVD-ROM Software: 210601 - Cyberlink PowerDVD 6.0 (OEM) $6.99 $6.99
Video Capture: None
TV Tuner: None
Sales Tax: $0.00
Shipping: $0.00
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Total: $2,500.23
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NICE SYSTEM! :D
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Yes nice indeed. 1k more than what i was expecting though hehe. But you did give me a good idea as to the mobo/memory i should look for, that was really what had me confused to heck.
How's this?
SATA Cables FLT-6000-18 18" cable
Maxtor (6Y120M0) 120 GB SATA 7200 RPM $88.00 $88.00
Warranty: 800011 - Manufacturer Direct Warranty from MFG
Creative Audigy 2 ZS 24BIT Advanced HD Sound (Retail Box)
LG GDR8162B 16X DVD-ROM (OEM) $39.00 $39.00
Pre-Tested and Setup AMD Athlon 64/FX (939) Barebones System
Case: 100146 - NO PS - Antec Plusview 1000AMG Case w/Cle
Power Supply: 100176 - PS 450W - OCZ OCZ45012U ModStream ATX 2.0
Case Fan: 100887 - 120mm - Antec 120mm SmartCool Case Fan
Motherboard: 110704 - Asus A8N-SLI Premium nForce4 SLI Audio/GB
Processor: 120241 - AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ Dual-Core 1MB Per
Heatsink Fan: 130122 - AMD Certified Opteron/64/FX Heatsink
Thermal Grease: 800018 - Shin-Etsu G675 Thermal Grease (Cools CPU
Memory: 140210 - DDR (400) 3200 - 2 GB (2 pcs 1GB) Corsair $244.00 $244.00
2nd Memory: None
Round Cables: None
Order Total: $1,532.00
And i think ill get the video card somewhere else. 400+ bucks for a 256mb vid card with lots of fancy crap is not what im looking for. I just play games I dont do video editing or dvi or tv-out or any of that shtuff.
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Now put in 2 gforce 7800GTX and your good to go.
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How's this?
SATA Cables FLT-6000-18 18" cable
Maxtor (6Y120M0) 120 GB SATA 7200 RPM $88.00 $88.00
Warranty: 800011 - Manufacturer Direct Warranty from MFG
Creative Audigy 2 ZS 24BIT Advanced HD Sound (Retail Box)
LG GDR8162B 16X DVD-ROM (OEM) $39.00 $39.00
Pre-Tested and Setup AMD Athlon 64/FX (939) Barebones System
Case: 100146 - NO PS - Antec Plusview 1000AMG Case w/Cle
Power Supply: 100176 - PS 450W - OCZ OCZ45012U ModStream ATX 2.0
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450 is ok now but id not get less then 500W for now and future needs.
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Case Fan: 100887 - 120mm - Antec 120mm SmartCool Case Fan
Motherboard: 110704 - Asus A8N-SLI Premium nForce4 SLI Audio/GB
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i use A8N Deluxe. id use Asus or DFI, DFI seems to get great
reviews.
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Processor: 120241 - AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ Dual-Core 1MB Per
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CPU: right not alot of games will use the 2nd core, but future games will. if u want to save a few $ the amd64 4000+ would be a good single core cpu.
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Heatsink Fan: 130122 - AMD Certified Opteron/64/FX Heatsink
Thermal Grease: 800018 - Shin-Etsu G675 Thermal Grease (Cools CPU
Memory: 140210 - DDR (400) 3200 - 2 GB (2 pcs 1GB) Corsair $244.00 $244.00
2nd Memory: None
Round Cables: None
Order Total: $1,532.00
And i think ill get the video card somewhere else. 400+ bucks for a 256mb vid card with lots of fancy crap is not what im looking for. I just play games I dont do video editing or dvi or tv-out or any of that shtuff.
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video car: id not get less then a nvidia 6800 GT 256 ram PCI-E
or a ATI x800 PCI-E. ur gona get the bells n whistles on cards no matter.
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How would 1MB L2 cache increase anything in AH2 ? I have no idea.
airmess
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Originally posted by airmess
How would 1MB L2 cache increase anything in AH2 ? I have no idea.
airmess
It doesn't, my 3700 gets the same framerates as my old xp2400.
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Originally posted by zmeg
It doesn't, my 3700 gets the same framerates as my old xp2400.
sorry but thats bull. how the hell can you say that?
i gained 20fps "upgrading" from a XP3200 to a A64 3200
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Originally posted by zmeg
It doesn't, my 3700 gets the same framerates as my old xp2400.
if ur getting same fps now with amd64 3700 as u did with xp2400, then either ur system is totally fubar or ur video
card is maxed out even with the 2400 and its the bottleneck.
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Originally posted by airmess
How would 1MB L2 cache increase anything in AH2 ? I have no idea.
airmess
hi airmess,
basicly the extra 512 L2 cache allows the cpu to access info faster
without having to go to the HD for it. which in turn allows it to operate faster.
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OIO,
email me lkoon@tampabay.rr.com i might have something to save u alittle now, to allow u to go to X2 cpu.
Whels
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1MB cache instead of 512 KB means your processor can have the data fast from the cache in 93 percent of the time instead of 90 percent.
Just saw, xp2400 has 246KB cache, then the rate is 85 to 93. Now missing the cache is not all that bad... costs some cpu cycles in theory but not that bad.
There is a theoretical speed up but it depends on the application how hard the hit is.
For AH or any other application speed ups below 30% are barely noticeable. So yes, its faster with more cache. Yes, there will be people talking of no noticeable speed up in jump from xp2400 to 64-3700. This doesnt mean there is no gain, this means when you up your resolution and quality sliders your can easyly overcompensate the improvements in the game and see none.
The 1MB cache itself gives little gain compared to 512kb unless if you use an application where its main loop + the data fit in 1MB but not in 512kB. With each cache miss you loose a little time, so haveing 3 percent less misses gives you 0.5 percent performance increase maybe.
The higher clock rate of the new chip, faster memory, new sse3 instructions if used, better jump prediction, less cache misses, better pipeline give the speed.
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thats a 754 model....wouldnt recommend it
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theres nothing wrong with this cpu, it probely runs just as fast as your 3200 and cost less, it for the buget shopper who still needs [power buts not afraid of 754 pin
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of coarse its faster its 3700 vs 3200 and anyway my 3200 cost £100, the 3700 starts at around £200.
however buying 754 socket now, is like buying SDR ram.....virtualy no use in less than 1 year... hardly recommendable. buying such a "old" platform
he'd be better off getting a 939 board, with a 3500 1mb. Will cost the same and perform the same, and will have a upgrade path.
also the 754 socket CPU's are 130nm which are hotter and worse at overclocking
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thank god i dont overclock then;)
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Originally posted by 68DevilM
thank god i dont overclock then;)
whats that got to do with anything?:confused:
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One point is if your 754 cpu goes to hell for whatever reason it will be harder to find a replacement.
Second, its probably with an AGP motherboard then as there are few good PCIe motherboards with 754. If anyone know one would be intresting to hear. AGP, currently no problem but in 2 years hard to find new replacement cards.
Apart from that you are right... when you know all the disadvantages its still worth buying if you get a darn good deal. I would not buy it and i dont recomment it.
ciao schutt
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agp was the biggest reason i went with 754pin
didnt want to buy a new video card just yet, since i just purchased it on christmas.
i figured hell! in another 2-3 years ill have to upgrade video card and then i would just rebuild around a PCI express card (high end hopefully).;)
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Originally posted by 68DevilM
agp was the biggest reason i went with 754pin
didnt want to buy a new video card just yet, since i just purchased it on christmas.
i figured hell! in another 2-3 years ill have to upgrade video card and then i would just rebuild around a PCI express card (high end hopefully).;)
thats odd as theres plently of AGP 939 boards out there. Mine being one of them
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Originally posted by Overlag
thats odd as theres plently of AGP 939 boards out there. Mine being one of them
but why go 939 agp when agp is gonna be gone soon too
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Originally posted by 68DevilM
but why go 939 agp when agp is gonna be gone soon too
well your the one that wants AGP? :confused:
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no
already hada agp video card and didnt want to buy new pcie
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Originally posted by 68DevilM
no
already hada agp video card and didnt want to buy new pcie
well exactly, thats why i said you can get AGP socket 939 boards, then you said who wants that??!?!?
when i brought this system PCI express on AMD platform was miles off, Nforce3 had only just come out and was rather buggy beta bios's everywhere. I also had an AGP card......
Im getting an Asus A8N SLI Premium soon......hopefully
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Thnx Whels but Im not looking for something i can upgrade in the future cpu-wise.
I buy a new computer every 5 years.
Right now i have an AMD Athlon 1.4ghz (runing at 1ghz cause the thing overheats and shuts down if its ran at 1.4ghz.. sigh) with a 60 gig HDD (more than half of it empty) a gforce 4 128mb ti4200 sblive 5.1 and 1 gig pc2100 ddr ram
Had it since 99 so im overdue for a new system hehehe.
Problem is i find it real hard to fork out 600 bucks for a video card... its something that ill have to upgrade every 2 years anyway.
What vid card 256mb would you recomend thats around 200 dollar range?
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for 200 bucks id probably be looking on ebay.
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Originally posted by OIO
Thnx Whels but Im not looking for something i can upgrade in the future cpu-wise.
I buy a new computer every 5 years.
Right now i have an AMD Athlon 1.4ghz (runing at 1ghz cause the thing overheats and shuts down if its ran at 1.4ghz.. sigh) with a 60 gig HDD (more than half of it empty) a gforce 4 128mb ti4200 sblive 5.1 and 1 gig pc2100 ddr ram
Had it since 99 so im overdue for a new system hehehe.
Problem is i find it real hard to fork out 600 bucks for a video card... its something that ill have to upgrade every 2 years anyway.
What vid card 256mb would you recomend thats around 200 dollar range?
How much are ATI X800XLs out there? thats the best bank per pound over here.....
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xcept for a Nvidia 6600s the only other good card close to $200 is the $280 Radeon X800XL PCI-E 256MB with preformance, close to the nvidia 6800 ultra.
whels
Originally posted by OIO
Thnx Whels but Im not looking for something i can upgrade in the future cpu-wise.
I buy a new computer every 5 years.
Right now i have an AMD Athlon 1.4ghz (runing at 1ghz cause the thing overheats and shuts down if its ran at 1.4ghz.. sigh) with a 60 gig HDD (more than half of it empty) a gforce 4 128mb ti4200 sblive 5.1 and 1 gig pc2100 ddr ram
Had it since 99 so im overdue for a new system hehehe.
Problem is i find it real hard to fork out 600 bucks for a video card... its something that ill have to upgrade every 2 years anyway.
What vid card 256mb would you recomend thats around 200 dollar range?
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now thats a price i can dig into. I learned long ago to pick 'almost top of the line' stuff because it was half priced and almost as good.. it wont hurt me pocket and id get great performance from it.
Thanks whels. With this info I can buy my new machine :)
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Originally posted by whels
xcept for a Nvidia 6600s the only other good card close to $200 is the $280 Radeon X800XL PCI-E 256MB with preformance, close to the nvidia 6800 ultra.
whels
im an ATI fan, however i wouldnt say the X800XL is anything like a 6800ultra!!!! except for in HL2 ;)
X800XL is comparable to a 6800GT in most tests, peaking at ATI fave games like HL2 vs the ultra, but falling to 6800 levels in Nvidia friendly games.