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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Kazaa on June 26, 2005, 08:06:45 AM
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Hello to you all, everyone can post here all the new planes they want on AH2.
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I would love to have that Lancaster that could hold the 12,000Ibs" Tall Boy " & the 22,000Ibs "Grand Slam " or even 22,000Ibs worth in 1000Ibs would be nice ;)
http://www.bismarck-class.dk/tirpitz/miscellaneous/tallboy/tallboy.html
(http://aolsearch.aol.co.uk/image_browse?query=Grand%20Slam%20Bomb&first=1&last=12&imgurl=http://www.johnmullen.org.uk/aerospce/pics/bombs.jpg&refurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.johnmullen.org.uk%2Faerospce%2Fpics%2Fbombs.htm&width=794&height=525&rank=1&encquery=Grand+Slam+Bomb)
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Oh I would also love to have the B-29 aswell :) with the first A-Bomb.
(http://aolsearch.aol.co.uk/image_browse?query=B-29&first=1&last=12&imgurl=http://www.pr.afrl.af.mil/prepare/b-29.jpg&refurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pr.afrl.af.mil%2Fhistory_wpafb.html&width=1024&height=656&rank=1&encquery=B-29)
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i predict furball with his nookie will pop in soon :D
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these:D
(http://www.geocities.com/gearjg/v1attack.JPG)
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Used in North Africa, Southwest Pacific, and on the Eastern Front:
(http://www.nps.gov/wapa/indepth/extContent/usmc/pcn-190-003122-00/images/fig8.jpg)
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Wow thats a nice plane what is that ? BTW how do you post pics ?
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Originally posted by Kazaa
Wow thats a nice plane what is that ? BTW how do you post pics ?
That's a P39.
37 mm cannon in the nose.
Engine behind the pilot.
Only an idiot would try to HO that plane. :D
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AmuRiKA PLENZE!1!
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Furball has a point, how can AH survive without such classics
as the Skua, Manchester, or the Anson :lol
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No need for late war planes, what we need is a b25, the p39, and the early war p38s such as the 38H, 38F, and the 38D. Or HT could model the 38L to have the field modified 6x50s or the 38L tested with 8x50s in the nose and 4x50s, 2x50s per wingpod. Late war planes really get people to stop flying the early war planes because its hard to really survive with early war planes.
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Originally posted by Hoarach
No need for late war planes, what we need is a b25, the p39, and the early war p38s such as the 38H, 38F, and the 38D. Or HT could model the 38L to have the field modified 6x50s or the 38L tested with 8x50s in the nose and 4x50s, 2x50s per wingpod. Late war planes really get people to stop flying the early war planes because its hard to really survive with early war planes.
Or maybe this isn't "P-38s High".
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Originally posted by Hoarach
No need for late war planes, what we need is a b25, the p39, and the early war p38s such as the 38H, 38F, and the 38D. Or HT could model the 38L to have the field modified 6x50s or the 38L tested with 8x50s in the nose and 4x50s, 2x50s per wingpod. Late war planes really get people to stop flying the early war planes because its hard to really survive with early war planes.
I'm a 38 fan but I think the 38 line up is fine right now.
38D didn't see combat, F and H were flying alongside the G we have. Not enough different about them to warrant doing them before a lot of other stuff.
Go fly the G, you'll be just fine :)
Dan/CorkyJr
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What Gear said!!!!
V-1 to aces high!!!!!
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I want to know how HT decide what plane
comes to arsenal in AH or not ?
I want some russian planes
Pe2
Tu2
IL10
I16 Rata
MiG 3
LaGG 3
Yak 1
:cool:
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B-29..all I'm going to say
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Republic P-47M/N Thunderbolt :D
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Originally posted by SuperDud
B-29..all I'm going to say
Like the allies need anothe heavy bomber.Since the 29 was only in the pacific theator.:cool:
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Originally posted by gear
Like the allies need anothe heavy bomber.Since the 29 was only in the pacific theator.:cool:
What theater does the MA recreate?
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Originally posted by gear
Like the allies need anothe heavy bomber.Since the 29 was only in the pacific theator.:cool:
We do need it.
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Originally posted by SuperDud
We do need it.
why?So people can level a field by comming in at 1k with a flt of 29's.
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Ok. I'll play.
Some of the following:
A6M3
D4Y2
B6N2
Ki-43-II-Otsu
Ki-44-II-Otsu
LaGG-3
La-5
P-39D
P-39Q
Yak-1
Yak-7
Pe-2
Tu-2
I-16-24
G4M2
B-25C
Wellington B.Mk III
Ju188A-2
Spitfire LF.Mk VIII
Bf109G-14
Fw190A-3
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It will complete the american bomber set
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Originally posted by SuperDud
It will complete the american bomber set
No it wouldn't. It would add yet another late war American bomber. The real gap in the American bomber set is the early war.
B-25C
B-17E or B-17F
B-24D
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But it's one of the most famous bombers from WW2. Why not add it? B25 is basically the same as a B26 and we already have 17's and 24's. B29 really needs added.
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P39 , why it isnt in AH yet is a wonder in it self.
since around 6000 entered service with the us, russia and brits.
I know its a WB bird and all and was fun as heck blasting bombers with the 37mm, but why not here? alot of early birds here and probably too many for this type of arena setup so whats one more?
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A B-25C is much slower than the B-26B we have. That is why we need it. In Pac Scenarios the A6M2 can do jack all against the B-26B, just as the F4F-4 can do jack all against the Ki-67.
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Originally posted by SuperDud
But it's one of the most famous bombers from WW2. Why not add it? B25 is basically the same as a B26 and we already have 17's and 24's. B29 really needs added.
He111
Ju52
Pe2
Betty
do you want me to go on nameing other bombers that were in the war a few years the 29 and arent in the game?
untill they complete the german, russian, jap, brit, and italian bomber planeset we dont need another american bomber.
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In the immortal words of Furball..
Originally posted by Furball
me want nookie noOK!
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/71_1092865757_b29.jpg)
Hehehe, man I hooked a few of ya:p But we really do need more American planes!
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Originally posted by SuperDud
In the immortal words of Furball..
Hehehe, man I hooked a few of ya:p But we really do need more American planes!
no we dont
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Originally posted by Karnak
Ok. I'll play.
Some of the following:
A6M3
D4Y2
B6N2
Ki-43-II-Otsu
Ki-44-II-Otsu
LaGG-3
La-5
P-39D
P-39Q
Yak-1
Yak-7
Pe-2
Tu-2
I-16-24
G4M2
B-25C
Wellington B.Mk III
Ju188A-2
Spitfire LF.Mk VIII
Bf109G-14
Fw190A-3
good resonable list:aok
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Target :FH ,BH ,VH ,Troops,radar, ORD,Town:aok
(http://www.geocities.com/gearjg/v1attack.JPG)
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We need the B-29 like we need the JU-88 with Schrange Musik.
More Russian planes!
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Originally posted by RTSigma
We need the B-29 like we need the JU-88 with Schrange Musik.
More Russian planes!
Well they coul add the Ju88c and the Ju88p:)
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Originally posted by TrueKill
no we dont
LMAO!@!#!###@!
Ok seriously, would like to see a bigger russian plane set...no lie:D
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yes
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WOOHOO!
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isnt it WOOOWOOOO!!!
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GREAT BRITAIN
Bistol Beaufighter M. VI (Fighter/Bomber)
de Havilland Mosquito Mk. IX (Fighter/bomber)
Fairey Swordfish Mk III (Biplane)
Hawker Sea Hurricane IIC (Naval Fighter)
Gloster Meteor IV (Jet Fighter)
Short Sunderland (Flying Boat)
Supermarine Spitfire VB (Fighter)
GERMANY
Arado Ar 196A
Dornier Do 217E-2 (Bomber)
Focke Wulf FW 190A-4 (Fighter)
Heinkel He-111H (Bomber)
Junkers Ju 52/3m g4e (Transport)
Junkers Ju 87G Stuka (Twin Flak 18 Guns, Bomber)
Junkers Ju 88C (Bomber)
Messerschmitt Bf 109E-8 (With Drop Tanks, fighter)
ITALY
Cant Z.506B (Torpedo carrying seaplane)
Cant Z.1007 (Bomber)
JAPAN
Kawanishi H8K2 "Emily" (Flying-boat)
Kawasaki Ki-45 "Nick" (Heavy fighter)
Kawasaki Ki 100 "Tony" (Fighter)
Mitsubishi A6M3 "Zeke" aka "HUMP" (Fighter)
Mitsubishi G4M2 "Betty" (Bomber)
RUSSIA
DB-3F (Long Range Bomber)
LaGG-3 (Fighter)
MiG-3 (Fighter)
PE-2 (Low Attacker/Dive Bomber)
Yak 3 (Fighter)
USA
Bell P-39D/Q Airacorba (Fighter)
Boeing B-17F Flying Fortress (Heavy Bomber)
Consolidated B-24D Liberator (Heavy Bomber)
Consolidated PBY-5 Catalina (Flying Boat)
Curtiss P-40F/M Warhawk (Fighter)
Grumman F4F-3 Wildcat (Fighter)
Grumman F6F-3 Hellcat (Fighter)
North American B-25C Mitchell (Med. Bomber)
Republic P-47C/M/N Thunderbolt (Fighter)
:D :D :D
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Originally posted by TrueKill
isnt it WOOOWOOOO!!!
That's when you want to get someone angry or just generaly show you contempt for them. Recently it has been used as a greeting and also when you just PWN3D someone. I was excited about finally getting it right. Therefore I gave the WOOHOO!!!
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While your at it may as well add this too:aok
(http://www.vflintham.demon.co.uk/aircraft/meteor/met4.jpg)
GLOSTER METEOR - The Gloster Meteor was designed by a team led by George Carter during 1940 to take advan-tage of the still unproved Whittle turbojet, and Air Ministry Specification F.9/40 was written round the Gloster proposal for a single-seat twin-engined fighter armed with four 20 mm British Hispano cannon. Twelve prototypes ordered February 1941, of which only eight built, with various engines. First to fly, on March 5, 1943, was DG206, powered by 1,500 Ib st (681 kgp) de Havilland H.ls, and with a wing span of 44 ft 3 in (13.49 m). Next to fly, on July 24, 1943, DG202 had 1,526 Ib st (693 kgp) Rover W.2B engines and span of 43 ft 0 in (13.11 m); and a prototype with 2,000 Ib st (908 kgp) Metrovick F.2 axial-flow turbo-jets, DG204, flew on November 13, 1943. One other prototype had H.I engines and pressure cabin; remainder powered by Rolls-Royce built engines of Whittle type.
Gloster Meteor F. Mk I: Initial production con-tract for 300 F.9/40-type fighters placed June 1941, to be named Gloster Meteor and pow-ered by 1,700 Ib st (772 kgp) Rolls-Royce W.2B/23 engines named Welland. Twenty built to F Mk 1 standard with four 20 mm cannon; first flight January 12, 1944. Twelve delivered July 1944 to No 616 Squadron to become RAF's first jet fighter unit, becoming operational in August against V-l flying bombs.
Max speed, 415 mph (675 km/h) at 10,000ft (3,050 m). Time to 30,000ft (9, 150 m), 15 min. Service ceiling, 40,000ft (12,200 m). Empty weight, 8,140 Ib (3,737 kg). Gross weight, 13,795 Ib (6,258 kg). Span, 43ft 0 in (13.11 m). Length, 41 ft 3 in (12.57 m). Wing area, 374 sqft (34.7m2).
Gloster Meteor F Mk II: Projected with 2,700 Ib st (1,226 kgp) Goblin I engines.
Gloster Meteor F Mk III: Similar to Gloster Meteor I, with 2,000 Ib st (908 kgp) Derwent I (W.2B/37) engines, sliding in place of hinged canopy, increased fuel, slotted air breaks and other improvements. Total 210 built, first 15 with Welland engines; first flight September 1944. Deliveries to No 616 Squadron December 1944 and opera-tional with 2nd TAP in Belgium with Nos 616 and 504 Sqn early 1945.
Gloster Meteor F Mk IV: Improved Mk III with 3,000 Ib st (1,362 kgp) Derwent Vs in long-chord nacelles, pressurised cockpit and other improvements. First flown May 17, 1945; production deliveries of Mk IV, and development of later variants, post-war.
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Wow i just came back to my post & its going great I think, man that P39 looks like a super sweet plane, that needs too go in AH stright away.
Also I think the B29 should be in AH but it has too be perked,I'm guessing 10-20 points maybe for a bog standerd one & 150-200 for a nuke one. But if the B29 comes in then theres got too be bigger targets to hit.
Also I was thinking of the Spitfire Mk 22, 24 & the super sweet Hawker Sea Fury would be a nice addition too the game.
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b29 so I can volch it on the runway MUAHAHA :)/ Nah I think the planeset is fine I just wont all the planes we have now to be redone, like the 38 and 190s. Then thats when they should start looking for more planes.
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Originally posted by Kazaa
Also I think the B29 should be in AH but it has too be perked,I'm guessing 10-20 points maybe for a bog standerd one & 150-200 for a nuke one. But if the B29 comes in then theres got too be bigger targets to hit.
B-29A would probably be perked at the 100 to 200 point level and the nuke will not be added. HiTech, or Pyro (I don't recall which), have stated that the 4,000lb 'cookie' will be the largest bomb in AH.
Also I was thinking of the Spitfire Mk 22, 24 & the super sweet Hawker Sea Fury would be a nice addition too the game.
All of those are post war aircraft and are not appropriate for a WWII sim.
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If no more 38s going to be modeled, then I would like to see the gloster meteor and the b25 gunships. The b25 would be good if the fhs are down because il2 can get kind of boring after awhile and the gloster meteor would be a good sight to see against the 262 and least I would be able to hit with the 20mms.
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There are still 0 French planes.
Need D.520 to solve this issue.
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Big woops on the spit 22 & 24, BTW if this is meant too be a WW2 Sim then you got too have all of the WW2 planes & bombs etc, you cannot just pick a choose here !
BTW B29 should never in a million years be perked at 100-200 points - nuke, I was thinking 50 at the most, could you imagine the ammount of time that would take to get them many perkies. Also you would be picked on by gangs of planes too so if you did have them many points you would be too scared to take it up.
BTW whats the bomb load on one of them puppys ?
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BTW what was the latest Spitfire to fly in WW2 ?
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there was only two nooks dropped in ww2. so if you add the nookies you gotta add this bad mother (SHUT YOUR MOUTH!)
Dornier Do-335: fastest piston engine plane EVER.
Powerplant: Two Daimler-Benz DB603E-1 12-cylinder inverted-vee liquid cooled engines in push-pull arrangement - each rated at 1,800 hp for take-off.
Armament: One 30 mm MK103 cannon with 70 rounds, firing through the front propeller hub, and two 15 mm MG151/15 cannon with 200 r.p.g. above the nose, plus one 1,102 lb (500 kg) bomb or two 551 lb (250 kg) bombs internally and 551 lb (250 kg) bombs on underwing racks.
Performance: Max speed 474 mph (763 km/h) at 21, 325 ft (6,500 m); Max cruising speed 426 mph (685 km/h) at 23,360 ft (7,100 m); Economical cruising speed 281 mph (552 km/h) at 19,685 ft (6000 m); Range on internal fuel at max continuous power 867 miles (1400 km), at economical cruise power 1,280 miles (2050 km); Time to 3,280 ft (1000 m) 55 sec, to 26,245 ft (8000 m) 14.5 min; Service ceiling 37,400 ft (11,400 m).
(http://aeroflt.users.netlink.co.uk/profile/do_335-4.gif)
PS
nukes would only be able to be used on strat targets because killshooter would murder you.
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Kazaa,
The Spitfire F.21 was the lat mark used in WWII, but it saw practically no combat. Why do we need things like the Spitfire F.21 and Do335 that practically missed the war when there are fighters and bombers that saw heavy combat and have yet to be added? When there are massive holes in plane versions, see my Spitfire thread for example.
The B-29A is the best bomber that they could add to AH. It would be far more potent than the Ar234B which costs 60 perk points. Look at the price of the Me262 and Tempest Mk V to get an idea of where it would have to be. My guess would be right around the 100 point mark, +/- 25 points.
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Originally posted by Kazaa
BTW what was the latest Spitfire to fly in WW2 ?
This was one of the Spit 21s flown by 91 Squadron near the end of the war. Two lost to flak, one midget sub sunk.
Dan/CorkyJr
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/169_1115751753_spit21.jpg)
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Your talking bull about the B29 - nuke, the 234 is impossable to catch unless you want too break out an me262, 163. so the B29 should be less then the 234.
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Originally posted by Kazaa
Your talking bull about the B29 - nuke, the 234 is impossable to catch unless you want too break out an me262, 163. so the B29 should be less then the 234.
The Ar234 carries a 1500kg maximum warload externally and, with bombs, tops out at about 370mph. Hard to catch, yes, impossible, not remotely. The B-29A would be able to carry 20,000lbs of bombs, 60,000 in a formation, and still do well over 325mph. Couple that with good defensive firepower and you can see why the B-29A would be perked heavily.
The Mosquito B.Mk XVI carries a 4,000lb 'cookie' and can do over 400mph with it. It too would need to be perked.
The Ta152H-1 and Spitfire Mk XIV can't out run a great many free fighters at AH combat altitudes and yet they are both perked higher than you suggest for the B-29A.
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Ju87s.
The ones that were equipped with phaser cannons that time traveling aliens installed.
I saw it on an episode of star trek so it has to be true.
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Yeah i guess your right B-29 should be 75-150 no way 200.
The last kid talking about the lazers is a F**king riot lol.
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Dornier Do 335
A very unconventional aircraft, the Dornier Do 335 Pheil (Arrow) featured an engine in the nose and one in the tail. The basic design of such an aircraft was patented in 1937 by Dr Dornier, but the 335 never flew until 1943. It is notable that the Do 335 was the first production aircraft to feature an ejection seat! The aircraft pictured below is the Do 335A-6 two seat night fighter although this particular example is not fitted with the radar antennae.
Work on the Do 335 progressed slowley through the latter years of the war, and by VE Day, only 60 had been built, and only 20 had seen any combat. They were very heavily armed, and ammuniton was carried in large numbers in proportion to the guns used.
Type: Single Seat day fighter and Twin Seat night fighter
Engines: Two Daimler Benz 1,900hp inlines
Armament: One 30-mm and two 15-mm cannon
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The AR 234 is not that hard to catch, I lost my first one last night.
HiSpd got me, he was in a typh and dived on me.
I dropped my load and dived away. in a hard turn (should not have done that turn me thinks)
Thought I had gotten away from him when he nailed me from about 800 I think.
If I had had the 20's maybe I could have intimidated him (first time I flew without the rear guns to dam it )
So the 234 isn't as uncatchable as some think. (sure as hell learnt my lesson)
As for its load don't forget that 1500 KG's is 3300lbs
Later All
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Mind you I have great fun in the 234
Wait for someone to get on your tail, let them hit D2500 and then punch the RATO's and dive.
I had a p38 and LA chasing me at D2000 for about 5 minutes before they gave up.
The 234 can take 500 easy and will hold that speed for ages when you level out.
Pity the drones cant keep up with my manuvers or I would take with me and do some real damage
Later
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In about 30 or 40 Ar234 sorties I never lost one of them.
However I have bagged a couple in the Mosquito Mk VI.
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Yeah I got sloppy and should have kept diving till I was right on the deck. I looked at the film and I leveled out at about 300-500 ft (I think)
He kept going and that gave him enough speed to get me
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You can catch 234 with La7 , they often fly low trusting in their speed
Pug
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We do not NEEED the b29.
In fact it would be better to avoid adding the B29.
There isnt targets big enough for the b29 to bomb.
From nation ballance wise the US is the last that needs heavy bombers added.
We only have 1 UK and 1 German hevy bomber.
In fact we only have 1 UK bomber, period, and 1 German bomber plus 1 dive bomber.
US has 3 level bombers plus TBM and SBD.
Japan has 1 level bomber and 2 dive bombers.
You saying that we NEEEED a US bomber only makes you look rediculously biased towards the US plane set. This will always make anyone not biased towards US plane set jump at you.
A tip. Wording your self better and perhaps saying "Ive always loved the B29s and I would really love to fly them in AH" would be better for your argument.
But since your not saying that...
WE DONT NEED THE B29!!
Tex
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I agree with Tex.....surely we don't need B-29A Superfortress yet.
We needed more bombers for other countries like UK, Japan, Italy, Germany, and Russia.
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B29!!!! We need it!
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The B-29 would quickly become the LaLa of the buff world in about 2 seconds after it was released. And this message board would soon follow with tales of the the buff-weenies ruining life for the rest of us..
Don't get me wrong... I love heavy bombers, but come on guys... that thing is overkill x 10! If it would only be fun in the game if it was flown like it was used in the war (super high alt)... but lets face it, too many people would use it from low alt's just to pork fields.
Although, I just had a thought... mayby if it could only be flown without the formation option. 1 plane per person. That might be ok. But even then, I think there are other planes that could add more to the game play than the B-29.
The P-39 would add a fun jabo plane to the mix as well as give us another option for Soviet skins...
The G4M Betty would make a nice addition to the Japaniese plane set.
And let's not forget the JU-52... Boring as sin to fly, but it would add to the realism of the game...
Just my $.02 :aok
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I love the B-29 & would love to fly it in AH :).
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Originally posted by gnubee
If it would only be fun in the game if it was flown like it was used in the war (super high alt)...
7,000ft is super high alt?
The jet stream scattered the bombs too much so LeMay switched to night bombing from low altitude on area targets (cities). The B-29 was used from a range of altitudes.
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You're absolutly right Karnak... The B-29 was used from a variety of alts, my bad.
I made an assumption based on info I have from my Grandfather's experience as a bombardier in the pacific... He flew in B-24's and said that they usually did their runs between 15 and 17K... I just assumed the B-29 was used at higher alts.
It was also my impression that the jet-stream doesn't really come into play until around 27K (Depending of course on the time of year and geographic location)... am I wrong about this?
Anyway, all that lead to the wrong assumption ;)
But that doesn't change my fear that in the game most people wouldn't get much higher than 2k and use it just to pork a field. Ya know what I mean?
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Judy Judy Judy
(http://www.warszawa.hailcesarz.com/images/D4Y.jpg)
-Sik
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Guys how can get a picture next too my name like everyone else has ?
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Originally posted by Kazaa
Guys how can get a picture next too my name like everyone else has ?
click here : http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/member.php?s=&action=editoptions
then at the bottom of the page you should have a upload avatar buton.
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Here you go furball,can you say killshooter:D
(http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/boeing2.jpg) (http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/hirosh4.jpg)
(http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/nagasa1.jpg)
(http://www.atomicarchive.com/Photos/Nagasaki/images/NG30.jpg)
http://www.hash.com/users/weevil/vids/mushroom.mpg (http://www.hash.com/users/weevil/vids/mushroom.mpg)
We realy don't need it.:aok