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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: rabbidrabbit on June 30, 2005, 10:59:48 AM
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I have a few areas that I want to prevent weeds from growing in. Is there a good spray to nuke the area with? Keep in mind I need to cover a couple thousand square feet so a squirt bottle is not the best option. I wondering if one brand/product is really better than another for long term weed/grass prevention.
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Brake fluid and bleach. Kills 'em dead.
-SW
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Invite some friends over, set fire to it and inhale :)
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Go to the hardware store and ask about a pre emergent agent. This stops seeds from germinating, think of it as plant birth control. I used it and it was usually good for about 3 to 6 months control. It needs to soak into the ground to work. I used a hose mounted sprayer with the pre emergent in the bottle under the hose. The stuff is usually colored heavily, either green or a flourescent yellow so you can tell if it is being sprayed.
It's totally harmless to already growing plants so you'll need to use a herbicide on them to kill them. You can get Round Up in concentrate form and mix it for a large sprayer to cover a big area. Use the preemergent first and water it down. Next day use the Round up or other herbicide. Try to make sure it's a time that won't have watering or rain for a day to allow the hebicide to soak into the plants. It will wash off if you water or it rains too soon.
I hate gardening and am alergic to bermuda grass, the most common lawn in Arizona, So I killed everything in the yard and enjoyed the rock "garden" instead.
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Your first option may be the best. Go with low-yeild, something less than a kiloton. You should be able to get a pretty good deal on the intardnet.
Won't kill the cockroaches tho.
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1. boric acid
2. bleach
3. human urine (amonia is murder for plants)
4. (and most fun) FLAMETHROWER!!!!!
5. scolding them untill they are so ashamed that they leave
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About 200 Hippies
:D
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Originally posted by mussie
About 200 Hippies
:D
why outsource?
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Good point I will have to slap myself for that
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Originally posted by mussie
Good point I will have to slap myself for that
Are you sure thats not just giving yourself a treat?
mmm... harder lefty!
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lol :p
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you got it...
revealing :D
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Roundup (Glyphosate) is a great product but will only kill what's green and has essentially no residual. It is a very safe product. Be careful you don't walk where you just sprayed then walk across your lawn. You can buy it cheap at a farm dealer or coop and it is not restricted use. You can buy a clone product for probably about 15 bucks a gallon. A 2 1/2 gallon jug will last for a long time. If you buy the dilute crap they sell at the garden center you will pay many times that.
Paraquat/Diquat (brand names Gramaxone, Gramaxone Max, among others) is a great product but is restricted use and is a little dangerous to handle and apply. Again, there is no residual activity with this product. If you want to see things instantly hosed you can't beat it.
Piclorum is the active ingredient in products such as Tordon 22k. It is restricted use but I believe a version of it is available commercially as Tordon RTU (ready to use). This is a dilute overpriced product. Tordon, if you can obtain it, has good residual activity but is effective mostly on broadleaf weeds and woody plants.
All of the above products photodegrade and biodegrade and are environmentally sound. I would personally avoid home brew soil sterilants (diesel fuel for instance). Because you eventually might want to grow something there or you might wind up as a superfund site and be asked to ship that parcel of property away to a toxic waste site in dump trucks which can get spendy.
I would personally go with Glyphosate and just plan on applying it a few times through the season.
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great summary Casca! thanks!
I wish I knew something that had a decent residual effect since I'm not wild about constant maintainance...
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Buy:
A Goat
A Chain
A Long Steel Spike
A Hammer
Chain the goat where you want the grass eaten
Move as required
All Natural No chemicals
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Originally posted by mussie
Buy:
A Goat
A Chain
A Long Steel Spike
A Hammer
Chain the goat where you want the grass eaten
Move as required
All Natural No chemicals
Not to mention free goat sex!! Dang Mussie you think of everything!
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Note to self:
1- AH BBS is the best place for idea's
2- Buy Vaseline
3- Purchase Goat
:p
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Kids...but only if properly trained and motivated ("Kids, clear those weeds or no TV!")
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Originally posted by mussie
Buy:
A Goat
A Chain
A Long Steel Spike
A Hammer
Chain the goat where you want the grass eaten
Move as required
All Natural No chemicals
amateur
a chain
a goat
a 20 pound weight
the goats too lazy to drag the weight unless it's necessary.
he'll eat everything he can reach before resorting to moving his weight.
this is the 21st century. get a self moving goat.
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You got watch any product that is both a weed and grass killer. A lot better for sidewalk and driveway use to kill things growing in the gaps. I have a buddy that used it to spot kill weeds on his lawn and he now has a dozen 3" brown spots all over. It's hard to be "careful enough" with those products. Though, the weeds only spot killers I've used have generally sucked.
Charon
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this is the 21st century. get a self moving goat.
LOL @ capt. apathy
Funny, but also a good point
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I use gasoline for really tough jobs.
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Originally posted by SMIDSY
3. human urine (amonia is murder for plants)
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Except for banana trees which love it.
My father-in-law who has a place in Hawaii and just happens to be a tree doctor, says banana trees thrive on human urine. Everytime he has to whiz he goes in the back yard to 'water' the trees.
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Oh great! Next time I eat a banana Im going to wonder.........
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Roundup to KILL
Pre emergents I have and do use on my lot. I DONT HAVE GRASS so choose wisely:) :
Preen - 3 months lasting power
http://www.preen.com/newpreen/prdpreenweed/index.jsp
Casoron - Year or more
Use wisely ....................
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Your first option may be the best. Go with low-yeild, something less than a kiloton. You should be able to get a pretty good deal on the intardnet.
Won't kill the cockroaches tho.
Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure
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Burke: His only a grunt, No offence
Hicks: None taken
Burke: His not capable of making that decision
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Uncles did pour some hydrochloric acid on the ground in seventies; took 10 years before anything did grow in that place.
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Nuke will fix you up with some fake grass. Dig up the whole lawn and go "fake".
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50 North Korean peasants.
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Ortho Max
It killed the creeping charlie in my lawn, nothing else I have found does that. It left the grass alone and got rid of the crab grass and all the clover type stuff. The dandelions screamed and ran away.
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Originally posted by Silat
Roundup to KILL
Pre emergents I have and do use on my lot. I DONT HAVE GRASS so choose wisely:) :
Preen - 3 months lasting power
http://www.preen.com/newpreen/prdpreenweed/index.jsp
Casoron - Year or more
Use wisely ....................
I use round up only on green stuff too, works best in sunlight, with no water for at least 24 hours.
Casoron on the gravel areas too, but I use about half dosage as this stuff is not good for humans, but DAMN it works well. Safe around flower beds, bushes, etc. too.
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Several years ago a load was brewed in a two gallon pump up spray consisting of:
1. A generous teaspoon of Ally (small grain herbicide labled rate 1/10 of an oz. per acre, about what you can fit in a 22 Long Rifle casing).
2. Dicamba at around a 12 ounce rate.
3. 2,4D Ester about 3 pounds/acre.
4. A little Miracle Gro (what the heck).
5. Four drops of dish detergent as a surfactant.
This was a smoky bellybutton load. It was Agent Orange on crack. The spots that were sprayed looked like the moon for two years after which there were sparse green shoots. A 30 foot tall willow tree was killed by spraying a root. My wife's eyebrow still twitches a little whenever the subject comes up. This would address your needs but is not legal strictly speaking. The good thing is that the whole package has extremely low mammalian toxicity. Make sure you don't have any runoff onto anything you like.
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Roundup. Safe and effective.
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Slip a rumour to the FBI that you are growing hemp.
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Be careful with roundup! I got the bright Tim Allen idea of spraying the stuff all along my fenceline and around the house so I wouldn't have to weedeat anymore. A week later, it looked like someone had dropped agent orange in about a 18 inch swath everywhere I'd sprayed. Apparently, the stuff spreads pretty well from plant to plant.
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you can use a vinegar/citric acid solution to kill the weeds and have your kids play on it the next day. i'd never use roundup or any other chemical herbicide for that matter, after reading the msds sheets on that stuff.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I use round up only on green stuff too, works best in sunlight, with no water for at least 24 hours.
Casoron on the gravel areas too, but I use about half dosage as this stuff is not good for humans, but DAMN it works well. Safe around flower beds, bushes, etc. too.
I hate it when the HUMANS eat off my property:)
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Originally posted by VOR
Be careful with roundup! I got the bright Tim Allen idea of spraying the stuff all along my fenceline and around the house so I wouldn't have to weedeat anymore. A week later, it looked like someone had dropped agent orange in about a 18 inch swath everywhere I'd sprayed. Apparently, the stuff spreads pretty well from plant to plant.
Yeah, it kills grass, too. It says so right on the label.
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Originally posted by Torque
you can use a vinegar/citric acid solution to kill the weeds and have your kids play on it the next day. i'd never use roundup or any other chemical herbicide for that matter, after reading the msds sheets on that stuff.
If you use it correctly, its as dangerous as any herbicide. Use it when its sunny out, quick shot, no rain for 24 hours. Its literally absorbed 100% by the plant's roots (via the leaves) or evaporation. Nothing is left behind in the soil. You can plant where you used it 24 hours later.(but I wouldn't trust it in a garden, thats what hands and knees are for.)
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Originally posted by Casca
Roundup (Glyphosate) is a great product but will only kill what's green and has essentially no residual. It is a very safe product.
Yup Personal experiance has taught me round up works great. Kills everything cept poison ivy..well it kills it but a month later it grows back.
the little bit of mist did manage to obliterate about 20 square feet of my next door neighbors lawn though LOL
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Originally posted by Torque
you can use a vinegar/citric acid solution to kill the weeds and have your kids play on it the next day. i'd never use roundup or any other chemical herbicide for that matter, after reading the msds sheets on that stuff.
That would be the MSDS that says its virtually non toxic even at rediculously high doses? No difference to me if you use vinegar or pull weeds but I don't think that there is anything particularly scary in the Material Safety Data Sheet for Roundup.
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Some weeds like Johnson Grass or Torpedo Grass have to be dug up. No herbicide will deal with them without nuking the soil. The reason is they have a connecting root system of thousands of tubers (about the size of small 3" to 4" carrots located about 2 feet down.) The only way to clear them out effectively is to dig them up and root around by hand collecting as many tubers as possible. Or bulldoze the area first and then haul away the soil with all the root tubers.
For all practical purposes, getting rid of this type of grass is impossible for anything less than industrial purpose effort.
Les
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I have to keep over 500 acres weed free. All of my guys have pesticide licences. We go through about 90 gallons of undiluted round up pro (4 quarts per 100 gallons water) a year.
round up pro will kill anything that is green. It is virtualy harmless but won't stop weeds from coming back.
Direx is a pre emergent that will keep them down for a year or so but it needs a good rain to soak in right after application and...not sure it is available to the public.
Buy your roundup in undiluted form for about $50 a gallon and that will make over 100 gallons of product.
lazs