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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sandman on June 30, 2005, 03:58:26 PM
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Interesting read (http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2005-06-29-oppose_x.htm). This woman is obviously pissed.
I think my son receives some form of recruiter mail at least once every two months or so. I usually just throw them away.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Interesting read (http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2005-06-29-oppose_x.htm). This woman is obviously pissed.
I think my son receives some form of recruiter mail at least once every two months or so. I usually just throw them away.
Dang nab it....I got recruiter mail only once.....it was a draft notice.
I was aboard the USS Noa a Gearing class destroyer out of Mayport. I was given a deferrment later (Seems they wanted to keep me there). My heart just bleeds for the sorry little wuss.
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Recruiters in the main hall of my high school almost constantly, however, they only talk to people that talk to them.
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Whats with all this recruiter stuff? I thought the draft was back on.
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It is not like their is a draft. Big deal.
If the parents dont want their kids in the military I am sure they can tell them all the cons.
Thats what being a parent is, if you do not have more pull with your kid then the recruiter your doing something wrong. :D
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This little tidbit explains it all.
Sandra Lowe is a mother of four and a school board trustee in Sonoma, Calif.
Of course she's in California.
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Mav
I thought the same thing but didnt say it lol:D
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(Sarcasm On)
Wow, recruiters trying to recruit for an all Volunteer Army. Pretty shocking concept. Lets hope it doesn't catch on, that draft thing was so much better.
(Sarcasm Off)
"Support the Troops", "United We Stand" just as long as it isn't my child. :lol
Of course these same people have no real problem with schools giving civilian companies and colleges all the info they want.
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wow.
Is this a true to fact happening as reported by the article?
Kids are put on a "recruitment list"?
I'm sorry, but to me this is just a bit over the top. This shouldn't be happening (if it is happening).
Don't get me wrong, I am retired military and I personaly think that those who choose the military should be given the utmost respect and support. However,........do I, or my son want him in Afghanistan (SP?), no.
I already have a nephew doing his third tour there, and I worry about him all the time.
Let the Kids make thier own choices without thier government coercement.
Draconian.
RTR
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Why dont they just start parking carriers and destroyers and mothballing fighter squadrons and giving those guys m16s?
Maybe send all the recruiters over?
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I had this happen to me, got a phonecall one particular bright and unusually EARLY morning (around like 7am I think) and I was asked to come down to the recruiter station to take a test. This was after he told me that the Army would pay for my college. Went down there, scored pretty high, and the recruiter got all excited and started feeding me BS and whatnot and started acting like my friend and took me to get my ASVAB and then it came to a halt when they found out I had asthma. After that I wasn't his "friend".
Became good friends with his brother though, he worked with me at the restaurant I worked at.
What do I think though? Its not a good idea. At 18 yeah, register for selective service and thats it. You don't need to know anything else about the kid unless he is interested in being recruited.
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Originally posted by Pongo
Maybe send all the recruiters over?
Chances are, they've already been.
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The amazing thing is people act like this is something new.
I've done recruiters aid duty twice and we ALLWAYS had a student list with DOB and phone number for every High School that we recruit from.
I mean hello.....they're trying to RECRUIT!
Were do you think the majority of our voluteer army comes from?????
High schools.
WE've had student lists for AT LEAST 10 years.
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I don't see what everyone is freaking out about.
I signed my Selective Service card. I wanted to vote.
I also wanted to recieve FEDERAL STUDENT AID!
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Originally posted by Sandman
Interesting read (http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2005-06-29-oppose_x.htm). This woman is obviously pissed.
I think my son receives some form of recruiter mail at least once every two months or so. I usually just throw them away.
Mean ol' defense department! I bet you think we're better off without them, don't you? :mad:
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My buddies and I used to take the ASVAB so that we coudl get ouf of class for a while. We weren't really paying much attention to the whole process, we just sat down filled out our tests and went about our business.
So of course in our Senior years we were hammered by the Recruiters. I mean we had a pulse and we did well on the test (not that it's anything to brag about). I was getting tired of trying to get rid of the Navy recruiter, so I just started to make appointments with him. Then I just wouldn't show up. Finally he stopped calling after about 5 missed appointments.
So it was a bit ironic when I decided that I couldn't deal with the Jr. College and had to go back to the Navy with my hat in my hand lol. He was all smiles with one of those: "I told you you'd be back" looks on his face.
-Sik
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Whose kids do we actually want the DoD to want?
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What's all this recruiting stuff?
I have it from a very good source that parents are the ones responsible for sending their kids off to the war. Or in the case of some parents, not sending their kids to war.
See:
(http://www.spiritualityhealth.com/shimages/film/fahrenheitlrg2.jpg)
So why this fuss about recruiters? What do they do?
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LMAO! I love that scene.
I heard somewhere that one of the senators replied something along the lines of, "It's not my decision whether or not my son joins the army."
Of course he didn't show it.
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Just park a HumVee out front of the school; put a sign on it:
"Drivers Wanted"
Ditto with an Abrams and a few Apachees.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Mean ol' defense department! I bet you think we're better off without them, don't you? :mad:
I work for them. :p
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I look at it from another perspective. Why are the state education programs so underfunded or mismanaged that they require federal subsistance? Why is the federal government funding this?
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My social studies teacher told me when guys are 18 they are or were required to register for the service or something and if you didn't it was a felony or something. If they have this recruiting list why would guys even need to do that?
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Heres an intresting tidbit concerning selective service.
President Jimmy Carter reinstated the Selective Service registration requirement in the summer of 1980.
The recruiters are always at my sons high school, giving out posters and stuff to start conversations with the kids.
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Oh my god, that's shocking.
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Originally posted by Yeager
Whats with all this recruiter stuff? I thought the draft was back on.
Please, oh please tell me you were kidding. You were kidding, right? Nobody is that clueless.
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What's wrong with recruiters? Military service is a very honorable profession, and it opens up tons of opportunities to those who may not have many choices when they finish school.
If a kid has better things to do than join the military when they finish school, they'll probably choose to do that. But if the military is a better choice, then why not join up? The initial committment is pretty short anyhow, and the murder/rape/death percentages in the military are on average comparable to life in state colleges, so... What's the problem?
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Just an FYI...I have no problem with the recruiters going to the schools.
Military service is very Honorable, and the recruits have an opportunity to be exposed to skills which they can use for the rest of their lives.
ie...I have a friend who is a Nuclear reactor technition(sp)...WHich he learned while in the Navy
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OMG the horror!!!!!!
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Kids that want to join will join wether their parents want them to or not. If a school has a JROTC then the recruiters at least for that service have every right to be there since ROTC is a federal program. Schools also get federal funding and belong to the local government. I feel that can allow a recruiter to be there. Some kids don't have much of a future to look forward to and the military is a good alternative to a minimum wage job for the rest of their lives. It's a honorable occupation. If there wasn't a war on, these complaints wouldn't exist. People can't expect the military to just recruit in the ghettos and low income areas..we need better recruits than that.
If you don't want your kids drafted..then this should be allowed to happen. To maintain an all volunteer military we must have agressive recruiters.
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Originally posted by eagl
The initial committment is pretty short anyhow, and the murder/rape/death percentages in the military are on average comparable to life in state colleges, so... What's the problem?
...and after two years they might give you a call and tell you're being sent to one of the most dangerous places on earth, to "defend" your country.
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Interesting comments here, I am somewhat biased however. I have a buddy in recruiting command who is fond of saying "Its not an all volunteer Army, its an all recruited Army".
Recruiting Command is NOT going to meet its numbers this year. Its no big secret, its just not going to happen. What that translates to in simplest terms is a Cav Bradley is short one Scout Observer, an Infantry Squad is short a member, and a Forward Air Refueling Point has one less guy to pull the hose to refuel that Apache that is desperatly needed for Close Air Support. This whole thing isn't some vague inconveinence, its a real problem, for us in Green at any rate.
Personally I feel great guilt when I look at my retirement orders. The clock ticks and I grow closer to that day which all soldiers must face. But everynight I see these stories and I feel like I am leaving my boys to fend for themselves in a bit of hell, with a country that doesn't want to be bothered with it.
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What's your point Fishu?
Seriously, most people wearing the uniform take deployments and combat as their duty, and they're proud to serve.
If you have a problem with what the military is doing, take it up with your congressional representatives.
As for "one of the most dangerous places on earth", IIRC they're suffering around 500 deaths per year in Iraq. That makes it barely more dangerous than stateside duty where in the "100 critical days of summer" alone, we used to come close to that amount every year in off-duty accidents. And that says nothing about the chances of getting in a vehicle accident in the states.
The people who join the US military have realized that there are more important things than one's own immediate safety, and some things are worth taking risks for. Iraq duty will come and go, the war on terrorism will eventually fade, but the service to the nation every military member provides will always be needed. Reactionary statements (that aren't even true) about military members getting forced to go to "the most dangerous place in the world" are quite frankly mindless dribble, spouted off by selfish people who have no loyalty to anything but themselves and who lack the ability to see any form of "the big picture". History always applauds those who choose to serve their nation as military members, and it is good to remember those who joined up in wars such as the American Civil War, where 500 deaths in an hour often meant a sweeping victory.
Most dangerous places on earth... What a farce. What a joke. What a total lack of any kind of perspective. What a totally selfish and ignorant thing to say. It's not true now, and from a historical perspective Iraq duty isn't any more hazardous than garrison duty in any other war the world has ever seen.
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Originally posted by RTR
wow.
Is this a true to fact happening as reported by the article?
Kids are put on a "recruitment list"?
I'm sorry, but to me this is just a bit over the top. This shouldn't be happening (if it is happening).
Don't get me wrong, I am retired military and I personaly think that those who choose the military should be given the utmost respect and support. However,........do I, or my son want him in Afghanistan (SP?), no.
I already have a nephew doing his third tour there, and I worry about him all the time.
Let the Kids make thier own choices without thier government coercement.
Draconian.
RTR
I have no problem with my kid's name being on a "recruitment" list. What's the big deal? What, exactly, is being violated here anyway? Hell, my son (18 y.o.) gets all sorts of junk mail because his name's on all sorts of lists out "there". Why shouldn't my government be allowed to at least approach my son? I've seen no evidence of coersion on their part, and my son doesn't feel threatened in any way. Only a few flyers. Seems to me the Pentagon is simply taking a page from corporate America's handbook on how to get their name before the public.
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Originally posted by eagl
Most dangerous places on earth... What a farce. What a joke.
Guess how high Baghdad was ranked among most dangerous cities?
It's amazing if a war zone, which I still class Iraq into, isn't one of the most dangerous places on earth.
Besides the usual accidents, theres purposefully inflicted accidents every day. Including top notch Hollywood effects in certain "car crashes".
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Finrod,
Are you actually an E-9? Great avatar.
FWIW, there were folks leaving the service when you and I both came in. There will be more to take up the guidon when you have taken off the uniform for the last time. It's the order of things but you're right it's a poignent "moment" when it's your turn.
The duty is done and it is time to make room for the next soldier to take up the job. You've trained them well and prepared the next guy to do the job just as you were trained to take his place. That is a point of pride yet it's a tough thing to let others carry the load that you have shouldered. Somehow you feel like you are letting them down, but it's more a case of letting them know that you have attained the time to retire and that their turn will come as well.
There is life after retirement, it just may take a little bit to recognize it.
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Originally posted by Fishu
Guess how high Baghdad was ranked among most dangerous cities?
It's amazing if a war zone, which I still class Iraq into, isn't one of the most dangerous places on earth.
Besides the usual accidents, theres purposefully inflicted accidents every day. Including top notch Hollywood effects in certain "car crashes".
well how do you explain the statistical FACT that we almost lose as many troops due to non-combat related deaths to include off duty accidents than we do in a war zone?
Statistically you have a greater chance of getting killed on a US highway or in a plane crash than you do as a US servicmen serving in a war zone.
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Then I can only wonder why nobody wants to move to Iraq, because theres great wages on certain rebuilding projects.
Or at least be in the army over there.
Oh.. whats classified as a war zone?
Sounds like the statistics aren't made with only Iraq in mind, while the subject right now seems to be how dangerous it is to be in Iraq.
If a combat zone is something like Kosovo, Afganistan... then I don't have to doubt the statistics at all.
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Originally posted by Fishu
Then I can only wonder why nobody wants to move to Iraq, because theres great wages on certain rebuilding projects.
Or at least be in the army over there.
Oh.. whats classified as a war zone?
Sounds like the statistics aren't made with only Iraq in mind, while the subject right now seems to be how dangerous it is to be in Iraq.
If a combat zone is something like Kosovo, Afganistan... then I don't have to doubt the statistics at all.
no, now you are drifting here we are talking about US recruiters....US servicemen. Not iraqis and not contractors.
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Go for it fishu. Certainly no one here is going to stand in your way.
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I've been getting MarineCorp and Army stuff in the mail...
I've always thought of requesting more info just for the duffel bag, or the sunglasses, or hat..
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Hawklore,
Clue here. If all you want is some "stuff". Go to the nearest surplus store. Don't tease the nice Recruiters, it's not nice. :p ;)
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Originally posted by Maverick
Hawklore,
Clue here. If all you want is some "stuff". Go to the nearest surplus store. Don't tease the nice Recruiters, it's not nice. :p ;)
When they show you the cool video, your screwed.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Finrod,
Are you actually an E-9? Great avatar.
FWIW, there were folks leaving the service when you and I both came in. There will be more to take up the guidon when you have taken off the uniform for the last time. It's the order of things but you're right it's a poignent "moment" when it's your turn.
The duty is done and it is time to make room for the next soldier to take up the job. You've trained them well and prepared the next guy to do the job just as you were trained to take his place. That is a point of pride yet it's a tough thing to let others carry the load that you have shouldered. Somehow you feel like you are letting them down, but it's more a case of letting them know that you have attained the time to retire and that their turn will come as well.
There is life after retirement, it just may take a little bit to recognize it.
Yes Mav, at least till the 27th of Sept I am. Good words, and I really appreciate them. You been taking notes from my wife. :lol
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You protect your liberty and yourself from government intrusion into you life by protecting the other guy's.
That idea can be applied to so many topics here in the O'Club.
Those of you that don't mind the government having what should be obstensibly private infomation on you child are free to give them that information, but you should be will to fight for the guy that doesn't want the government to have this information.
It's one of those, "I don't necessarily agree with what you say but I will fight for your right to say it.", people vs government things.
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the government puts a ID on you when you are born. Its called a social security number. Privacy from what? when they came up with that system 60 years ago privacy died.
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So? If the government oversteps it's bounds in one area, do you just sit back and take it if they over-reach themselves further?
Boston, 1773.
Dude 1: Damn did you hear about the new tax on tea?
Dude 2: Yeah, but they already tax us without representation anyways.
Dude 3: Yeah I guess you're right, too bad.
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Good point, Thrawn. You've made me remember they never did lift that tea tax.
Viva la revolución!!
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Finrod,
Nope didn't get notes from your Mrs., just been retired a bit is all and recognized exactly what you were writing about. I punched out of the Green Machine in 2000, got laughed at when I asked to come back after 9/11.