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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: lasersailor184 on July 01, 2005, 12:15:33 AM
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http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,15739502-13762,00.html
SCIENTISTS have created eerie zombie dogs, reanimating the canines after several hours of clinical death in attempts to develop suspended animation for humans.
US scientists have succeeded in reviving the dogs after three hours of clinical death, paving the way for trials on humans within years.
Pittsburgh's Safar Centre for Resuscitation Research has developed a technique in which subject's veins are drained of blood and filled with an ice-cold salt solution.
The animals are considered scientifically dead, as they stop breathing and have no heartbeat or brain activity.
But three hours later, their blood is replaced and the zombie dogs are brought back to life with an electric shock.
Plans to test the technique on humans should be realised within a year, according to the Safar Centre.
However rather than sending people to sleep for years, then bringing them back to life to benefit from medical advances, the boffins would be happy to keep people in this state for just a few hours,
But even this should be enough to save lives such as battlefield casualties and victims of stabbings or gunshot wounds, who have suffered huge blood loss.
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During the procedure blood is replaced with saline solution at a few degrees above zero. The dogs' body temperature drops to only 7C, compared with the usual 37C, inducing a state of hypothermia before death.
Although the animals are clinically dead, their tissues and organs are perfectly preserved.
Damaged blood vessels and tissues can then be repaired via surgery. The dogs are brought back to life by returning the blood to their bodies,giving them 100 per cent oxygen and applying electric shocks to restart their hearts.
Tests show they are perfectly normal, with no brain damage.
"The results are stunning. I think in 10 years we will be able to prevent death in a certain segment of those using this technology," said one US battlefield doctor.
Can you imagine the ramifications of this?
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Death is a natural thing and people are already living longer. For a short moment of time, a few hours or days, it may be nice to say good bye to your family and friends though.
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Henh. Would love to hear what the first guy they try this on has to say about the experience.
Maybe, we'll get some very interesting answers to some very, very old questions.
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braiiiiiiiiiiiiiiins
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must... eat.....
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I just had this thought of trying the experiment on a willing Muslim, when the time comes to test it on humans. One who is more than deserving of the seventy virgins waiting to serve him in the afterlife.
It'd be interesting to hear what he has to say upon his return to the living, no?
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If this were done to a few humans representing most of the major cultures in the world...there would be very few wars afterwards.
PS: Or...anyone remember the movie Flatliners? :eek:
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Stephen King was clairvoyainte with his Pet Semetary! Praise Cheese-Its!
(Can't wait for the wailing of the Christian Extremists? Ought to be entertaining. Curious if they will say it is God's "will" that souls be yanked back from inside the Pearly Gates by mere mortals back on planer Earth in brick and mortar insitutions If they say it isn't God's will then how wil they admit human beans have the power to usurp God's will that someone has died and thier soul has moved on? Do dog's have souls?)
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"put one in their brain and they turn into a wet sack of ****"
I don't know if god plays by any rules westy or that he really can be fooled.
lazs
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Well, it's no worse than reverse engineering a flying saucer. Think what it would be like to go inside and start fooling around with things.:D
Les
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what is even worse is our scientists sending out messages across the universe sayin in essence....
"hi.. we are poor stupid and helpless flightless little baby birds who are unable to defend ourselves.... here is our address.. got a pen and paper?"
lazs
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New product: "Kibbles and braaaaaains"
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My question is: If you believe in a spiritual afterlife, does the spirit then return to the body, assuming a successful restart. If so, from whence does it return, or do you really think God/ Satan is really gonna be all that eager to let the spirit go? Hmmmm? What do you think? For all you who don't belive in the spiritual this has got to look like very encouraging news.
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Oboe,
On a certain level that idea sounds very intriguing. For a local "volunteer" how about the BTK hemorhoid?
Slimm,
Do you have any doubt that if God OR satan had a desire to "keep" the person that they could not? Who do you think would stop God?????
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Henh. Would love to hear what the first guy they try this on has to say about the experience.
Maybe, we'll get some very interesting answers to some very, very old questions.
A couple of my sister's friends have been clinically dead, they are born again atheists.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Oboe,
On a certain level that idea sounds very intriguing. For a local "volunteer" how about the BTK hemorhoid?
Slimm,
Do you have any doubt that if God OR satan had a desire to "keep" the person that they could not? Who do you think would stop God?????
You helped make my point: you'd have a re-animated body with no soul....would that person still have a conscience? What would be the ramifications of a soulless being? (bear with me you athiests/agnostics/whatever, for argument's sake)
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When a heart is transplanted, it is stopped, and restarted in the new body. There are heart surgeries where the organ is stopped so it can be repaired, then restarted. Are the survivors of these soulless?
Can we see a statistical spike in crimes caused by legions of soulless truck-drivers who lurch down the street, the zipper-scar of their cheeseburger induced triple bypass surgery glinting evilly in the flickering streetlights?
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A new weapon! We send these zombie dead to Iraq and to the mountains of Afghanistan.
"you'd have a re-animated body with no soul"
How do you know? Anyone know if the ressurected dog was "soul-less" ? Would it not growl and get agitated if a mailman was brought to the lab room? Would it just sit and stare off with vacant moon-eyes if a cat was sent running by?
p.s. for the sake of the discussion it should be known that I do not believe in any "God" nor in a here-after. When your done? You're done! Humans reproduce, live, die...rinse, repeat. Just like every other living thing..
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Lazs, if scientists sent such messages out into the universe, I can absolutely and unequivocably say that only humans would hear it, and probably be pissed off too.
There is no evidence of there being anything other than what we know here on Earth, far as what's out there. When men first stepped on the moon surface, NASA scientists didn't really know what would happen, they didn't trust Earth physics to behave there as it does here. There was genuine concern of anti matter possibilities happening there where man was involved, going to an alien lunar surface (even it being our own Moon.) No one knew for sure. They didn't take anything for granted.
Les
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Leslie, that's exactly what I would expect a BERSERKER TO SAY!
Prove you aren't an alien KillBot, sent to our planet as part of a campaign to sterilize the universe of life.
There's no evidence of there being anything other that what we know on Earth
Earth is full of killers. Predators in every niche. If the rest of the universe is anything like Earth, as you suggest, then we're in for a bit of a challenge.
But seriously folks... that's quite impressive that you can 'unequivocally' say that there isn't any life elsewhere. You must have an astonishing (and heretofore unknown) cache of knowledge to make such an all-inclusive claim. You should share.
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Lots of talk about God. Lets assume for a second that there is one since some guys wrote some books a while back telling people there is one.
Don't you think it was his will that those scientists did that? And if they succeed with humans, who is to say that that is not what God wants?
Me thinks, tooooo many people seem to know what Gods will is :rolleyes:
You guys talk to him often or does he just explain things to a select few?
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Originally posted by dedalos
You guys talk to him often or does he just explain things to a select few?
Well, He told me some things He has in store for you, mister, so just watch your Ps and Qs.;)
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I heard that from my brother. I don't think he was joking but with me who knows? I'm an artist, not a rocket scientist. Why would he say that?
Les
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so basicly, theyve figured out "cold sleep"
just invest all your money in me and take this for a few years, when you wake up i PROMISE you'll be a millionare.
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Originally posted by slimm50
Well, He told me some things He has in store for you, mister, so just watch your Ps and Qs.;)
Which one (God) was talking to you? I just want to see if the stories mach :D
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Originally posted by slimm50
Well, He told me some things He has in store for you, mister, so just watch your Ps and Qs.;)
P's & Q's.. nautical in origin. A sailor's bar tab was tallied by tic marks under a chalkboard ledger.. heading P's and Q's.. 'Pints & Quarts'. If yah got a lil too sauced , the innkeep would often tally 'q' insteda 'p'.. hence 'watch your P's & Q's'.
whups.. wrong thread.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
P's & Q's.. nautical in origin. A sailor's bar tab was tallied by tic marks under a chalkboard ledger.. heading P's and Q's.. 'Pints & Quarts'. If yah got a lil too sauced , the innkeep would often tally 'q' insteda 'p'.. hence 'watch your P's & Q's'.
whups.. wrong thread.
aaaahhhhhahahahahahaaaaa!!......now go sit in the corner.:lol
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Originally posted by dedalos
Which one (God) was talking to you? I just want to see if the stories mach :D
The old guy who drove a taxi around NY.
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Cool, Flatliners!
If I found myself terminally ill in some form or another, I'd volunteer for this.
Tests show they are perfectly normal, with no brain damage.
"Normal" as in they begin sniffing bellybutton and licking themselves? No stiff joints, gutteral grunting, and mouths full of blood.. ?
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Originally posted by slimm50
The old guy who drove a taxi around NY.
:lol I'd rather take his advice than some of the self apointed God messangers :D
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agree with dealos... who knows what life after death is... And why would it follow any rules that we can imagine?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
agree with dealos... who knows what life after death is... And why would it follow any rules that we can imagine?
lazs
Hey, its spelled DeadALot :lol
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How do you know? Anyone know if the ressurected dog was "soul-less" ? Would it not growl and get agitated if a mailman was brought to the lab room? Would it just sit and stare off with vacant moon-eyes if a cat was sent running by?
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im pretty sure the religous think animals have no soul...
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Originally posted by vorticon
im pretty sure the religous think animals have no soul...
To which religion are you referring?
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Originally posted by vorticon
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How do you know? Anyone know if the ressurected dog was "soul-less" ? Would it not growl and get agitated if a mailman was brought to the lab room? Would it just sit and stare off with vacant moon-eyes if a cat was sent running by?
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im pretty sure the religous think animals have no soul...
The less you know, the more religius you are. Faith, pure faith, is based on ignorance. The moment you begin to learn and ask questions, the whole thing colapses.
One of the main answers the Greek orthodox church will give to questions is: "Belive and dont question, cause God works in mistirius ways".
So, the ones that claim to know, are the ones that really don't have a clue. They just belive. Had they been born somewhere else, they would have been at a holy war with the US as we speak.
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Originally posted by VOR
To which religion are you referring?
the only one i know anything about...roman catholisism.
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Originally posted by vorticon
the only one i know anything about...roman catholisism.
So it's a question for the Pope, then? Hmm. Maybe it doesn't need to go that high. He might have delegated who-has-a-soul decisions (rulings?) to a lower level.
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who says cells are not going to degrade after being shut off like that for more than a day-a week-a year?
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lets take note here they were saying the animals were "Clinicly dead" at no point did they say the souls had left the building!
and i do believe animals have souls
No i dont believe any main stream BS religon, but i do believe in a creator who created us with souls as well as animals .....we're all still his creations why would he only give souls to us Hairless monkies?
I know i wont change your thoughts, but like Chairboy(we finally agree on something) ............ your a fool to think earth and humans are the only highly developed beings in the vast cosmos.
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Originally posted by boxboy28 i do believe animals have souls
All animals? If not, how big or advanced does an animal have to be to qualify for a soul? Or does the animal have to be a specific type like a mammal? Fish? Maybe just big fish like sharks, or does that include my old pet goldfish too? How about insects? Does the mosquito that bit me the other night get to have another go at me in the afterlife? :eek:
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in the enxt life the mosquito will be a fish, then a rabbit and finally some very pissed off guy who will kick your ass.
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"at no point did they say the souls had left the building!"
hmm. Did they have the soul detector machines on to be sure?
"...earth and humans are the only highly developed beings in the vast cosmos."
I for one do believe life is out there in the universe and in abundance. However I just don't buy into that "Supreme Being" baloney.
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Originally posted by spitfiremkv
in the enxt life the mosquito will be a fish, then a rabbit and finally some very pissed off guy who will kick your ass.
:D
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Originally posted by Octavius
Cool, Flatliners!
If I found myself terminally ill in some form or another, I'd volunteer for this.
Tests show they are perfectly normal, with no brain damage.
"Normal" as in they begin sniffing bellybutton and licking themselves? No stiff joints, gutteral grunting, and mouths full of blood.. ?
Ummm so you mean it will fix your brain?:)