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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Kweassa on July 01, 2005, 02:33:57 PM
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While it may be a little disappointment for some, since it wasn't a P-47M.. still, you boys finally got your P-47N as a great plane!
:) I hope it is unperked or very very lightly perked, and is not done the injustice the Spit14 and F4U-4 have been done.
Congrats Juggernauts!
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Yea its funny we axis flyers didnt get a 190A3, but thats the way it goes.
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Yeah! Clipped wing Jugfires!! ;)
(http://acn.waw.pl/sturm/Obrazki/P47N.jpg)
Not an "M" but at 467mph it's close.
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oh boy another yank plane.
htc think bigger...there are big gaps in the plane set that the p47 N dose nothing to address..(nothing Against the plane, but un necessary)
news is just fluff...as usual
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Originally posted by TrueKill
Yea its funny we axis flyers didnt get a 190A3, but thats the way it goes.
Quick - call the Po-Po - rules 2, 4, and 5 might be getting violoated :)
"4 190s for 4 Jugs" sounds like a Disney movie to me
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on the P-47N. Oh baby.
http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p47_13.html
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A new plane is a new plane, why all the fuss?
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Originally posted by TrueKill
Yea its funny we axis flyers didnt get a 190A3, but thats the way it goes.
we have an A-5...
oh wait...
the AH 190A-5's using the NAVY data test and doesnt actually represent the actual 190A-5 :rolleyes:
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What's the deck speed on the P-47N? Will it be competitive against the dragster planes??
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heh its FASTER and the KI-84 wont stand a chance.
Btw didnt Ki-84 benefitted with exhaust stubs? It gives Ki-84 12+mph speed
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I can tell by the prewhining alone that I'm going to enjoy the P-47N.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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by Republic Aviation Corporation.
All performance data is for "Combat Gross Weight" which means a full internal ammunition load and a full internal fuel load. This is different than "Normal Gross Weight" which is the maximum weight in which the aircraft can be maneuvered to its design load factor. The "N" has a massive internal fuel capacity of 570 gallons.
A full internal ammunition and fuel load in an "N" model weighs 5,332lbs.
The "N" model would thus carry an additional 2,500lbs (2,499lbs) of fuel over and above the "M" model (under circumstances where the ammunition load is the maximum) in "Combat Gross Weight" configuration.
Empty Weight: 10,998lbs.
Combat Gross Weight: 16,330lbs.
Powerplant: A.C. Designation is R-2800-73.
Model is R-2800-TSC2G.
Mfg. Spec is A-8088-C
Weight of engine dry is 2,336lbs.
Oil tank capacity is 40 gallons
Propeller is 13' in diameter and weighs 565lbs.
"The following performance data is at WEP and at "Combat Gross Weight" of 16,330lbs"
Take off over 50ft obstacle (flaps retracted) is 6,030ft. (Loaded at maximum take off weight of 21,198lbs)
There are no sea level climb figures provided. The altitude markers are 5,000ft, 15,000ft and 28,000ft.
Rate of Climb at 5,000ft: 2,950ft/min
Rate of Climb at 15,000ft: 2,600ft/min
Rate of Climb at 28,000ft: 1,600ft/min
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The "N" model's wing loading in "Normal Gross Weight" is 43lbs.
Armor protection around the pilot was as follows:
Armor plate - Bottom/Rear - 1/4" from the bottom of the seat up to the shoulders
Armor plate - Rear - 3/8" for head
Armor plate - Front 3/8"
Bulletproof Glass - 1-1/2" set at 39.5 degree angle
And the "N" model had an automatic pilot.
*edited out "M" model preformance to make post shorter.
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Hmm.. the climb seems to be not very good though.. which would probably mean a low acceleration rate compared to some. But then again, a typical fighter configuration in AH might carry only 50% fuel.. since it boasts such long range?
If this plane can manage over 360mph at deck, then it'd be a dang competitive one. Preferably over 365~370..!
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As far as I can tell that climb rate is with full fuel and ammo. Since you're not escorting B-29's to Japan in the MA I would bet no one would ever toss drop tanks on nor need more than 25% fuel.
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Originally posted by Waffle BAS
Quick - call the Po-Po - rules 2, 4, and 5 might be getting violoated :)
"4 190s for 4 Jugs" sounds like a Disney movie to me
14 german fighters vs. 18 american fighters I know HTC is a american comp. but they might want to keep plane sets even. We need more brit and german planes because they were fighting each other the whole 6 years of the war. US and ruskys joined in 41. Most of yall like flying the easy mode planes but there are some ppl that like flying the "crappy" early war planes spit1 E4s 202s those sort of planes.
btw you might want to go read rule 6.
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Selector, I think it's safe to say that one of the main reasons we got the P47-N is because it's an easy add. Just tweak the flight model and artwork of the D model a little and away you go. We should consider ourselves lucky to get that, what with all the work on TOD and updating the existing models. When HTC gets around to adding completely new models you can crank up the rant (if neccesary). I'm sure everyone will be *****ing about the choices since you can't please all the people all the time.
Magoo
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After reading what pyro wrote, there going to do the 109s and spits. Im thinking that every time they redo a plane there going to add a new one, maybe. So maybe we might get a new 109 and a new Spit when they redo the skins. This might mean we well have more german and british planes. Maybe they wont add a 109 or spit but maybe a German bomber or a British fighter other than a spit or hurrican. Thi might be a good thing.
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It'd be sweet as chocolate cake if they made the 109K-4.
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Im very very sure that HTC will add Bf-109G-14. The G-14 is basically a 109G-6 with MW-50 for extra power.
expected lineup for 109s
109E-4, F-4, G-2, G-6, G-14, G-10
Spitfire? I'm sure Spitfire LF Mk. IX to clear that gap between the early spit 9 and spit 14.
expected Spit lineup
Spitfire Mk. 1a, Mk. Vb, Mk. IX, LF Mk. IX (clipped wing), LF Mk. VIII (clipped wing), Mk. XIV, LF Mk. XVI (clipped), Seafire II, Seafire III (The most common)
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Originally posted by RTSigma
It'd be sweet as chocolate cake if they made the 109K-4.
The Bf109G-10 is modeled as Bf109K-4. They just made it a top end G-10 so that they could include the 20mm option.
What I would REALLY like to see with the Spitfire and Bf109 remodel is:
Spitfire Mk Vb reduced from +16lbs boost to +12lbs boost.
Spitfire LF.Mk VIII added with Merlin 66 at +18lbs boost.
Spitfire LF.Mk XVIe added with clipped wings and Merlin 266 st +25lbs boost.
Bf109G-14 added (should top out at about 420mph)
I would like to see:
Spitfire F.Mk IXc have the options for the .50 cals, rockets and 250lb bombs removed.
Spitfire F.Mk XIV increased from +18lbs boost to +21lbs boost to make it more perk competitive.
Seafire Mk IIc replaced with the much more common Seafire L.Mk III.
I'd be really surprised if much of this happens, but if just the Spit V is reduced in boost, either the Spit VIII or Spit XVI is added and the Bf109G-14 is added it would help a lot.
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what about Spitfire LF MK. IX?
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Originally posted by Klum25th
After reading what pyro wrote, there going to do the 109s and spits. Im thinking that every time they redo a plane there going to add a new one,
then why was the Ta152 not done, and no 190 added?
i am not going to argue for or against new allied or axis planes, it is all HTC's choice. i think personally they added the p47n because they have not added a whole new plane for quite a while, and wanted to. with the re-do of the p51's and p47's it is the right time for the 47n.
i do hope they do add a new varient for each set they re-do, but i don't think there's any guarentee.
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Can't wait to try it out. :)
PS... Truekill you are a walking #5, just chill dood. :p
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Originally posted by 1K3
what about Spitfire LF MK. IX?
The Spitfire LF.Mk VIII can be used as a stand in for the LF.Mk IX for 1943 and early 1944 setups and the LF.Mk XVIe is a late war Spitfire LF.Mk IX, just with an American made Merlin.
See the Suggested, complete Spitfire lineup for AH (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=153344) thread for a detailed discussion on how to fill the gaps in the Spitfire lineup in AH.
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The spit update caught my eye too.:) I hope HTC uses the opportunity to change the selection of spits we get to choose from.
Although i am more excited about the prospect of flying spitfires in ToD. IIRC the setup is the 8th AF but it wont be the 8th AF for ever.:) Maybe even the RAF could be included in the setup escorting buffs back across the channel. If not the next setup may very likely include the RAF.
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just what i always wanted! go team america!
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America! **** YEAH!
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YES YES YES YES!!!
I get to play with N sized jugs!!! Screw D size!!!!! ;)
Tex
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Originally posted by TrueKill
14 german fighters vs. 18 american fighters I know HTC is a american comp. but they might want to keep plane sets even.
Uhhh....dont' you live in Houston?
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Whoever is whining about a new P47, there's very few plane dedicated squadrons in AH.
It's about time the 56th is given something to "compete" in the MA, flying D25s against D9/LA7/G10s/Ponies is getting frustrating.
:cool:It is a nice reward for us, for sticking with the underdog for years.:cool:
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Im happy its just a new plane, and spitfires next! I hope kev is gonna get what he hopes for. New planes no matter what country they are, is always a good assit to the game.
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Tell kev to save us some planes to skin :p
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Originally posted by SELECTOR
oh boy another yank plane.
htc think bigger...there are big gaps in the plane set that the p47 N dose nothing to address..(nothing Against the plane, but un necessary)
news is just fluff...as usual
I understand you completely. However, I expect that another Spitfire and 109 varient will be added when they are updated.
I'll wager that these will be a Spitfire LF Mk.IX and the 109G-14.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
Whoever is whining about a new P47, there's very few plane dedicated squadrons in AH.
It's about time the 56th is given something to "compete" in the MA, flying D25s against D9/LA7/G10s/Ponies is getting frustrating.
:cool:It is a nice reward for us, for sticking with the underdog for years.:cool:
Frenchy, I wouldn't get your hopes up too high. The P-47N accelerated slower than the D-40, and climbs no better than the D-11. It's the heaviest Jug, so overall maneuverability will not improve, other than, perhaps, rate of roll. The small increase in wing area should be offset by the added weight.
Expect between 360 and 365 mph on the deck.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
Frenchy, I wouldn't get your hopes up too high. The P-47N accelerated slower than the D-40, and climbs no better than the D-11. It's the heaviest Jug, so overall maneuverability will not improve, other than, perhaps, rate of roll. The small increase in wing area should be offset by the added weight.
Expect between 360 and 365 mph on the deck.
My regards,
Widewing
I doubt he was expecting to outpace the low-alt standards, but 365mph on the deck in a Jug would be phenomenal. Unless the N is heavily perked (or overhyped) I don't see myself flying much else for a while :)
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Fingers crossed for -
Spit LF VIII, LF XVI to be added.
F IX fixed, LF Vb to replace current V, Ia with 12lbs boost.
Seafire IIc to be replaced by the Seafire L III
You can almost bet the P-47N will be perked.
Hands off the Pink Spit IX and Blue Spit V skins!!!! :)
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(kinda off topic but...)
I wonder if HTC will change/add some things for 190s... like adding 190F-3 (attack variant), replacing 190A-5 with 190A-3, and tweaking 190A-8 with new engine (ps just a rumor:))
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Originally posted by Waffle BAS
Uhhh....dont' you live in Houston?
yea and?????
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Fingers crossed for -
Spit LF VIII, LF XVI to be added.
F IX fixed, LF Vb to replace current V, Ia with 12lbs boost.
Seafire IIc to be replaced by the Seafire L III
You can almost bet the P-47N will be perked.
Hands off the Pink Spit IX and Blue Spit V skins!!!! :)
Gotta be these three for sure. FIX 1942-43, LFVIII 1943-44, LFXVIe 1944-45
Dan/CorkyJr
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/169_1105648128_3spits.jpg)
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[...]P-47Ns were able to escort the bombers all the way from Spain to Japan[...]
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I actually think people will probably be dissapointed with the P-47N. It wasn't the hot-rod the P-47M was, it was more like a P-47D with more gas. It was actually inferior to the D in acceleration and climb rate. I don't know how it would handle "light", maybe that would make a big difference.
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Originally posted by Urchin
I actually think people will probably be dissapointed with the P-47N. It wasn't the hot-rod the P-47M was, it was more like a P-47D with more gas. It was actually inferior to the D in acceleration and climb rate. I don't know how it would handle "light", maybe that would make a big difference.
A P-47 with more gas is something we have all been wanting. Upping 8 sectors away and getting to 36,000ft is a Jug Driver's dream!
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What kind of ordnance options would the P-47N have? Pretty much same as our D-40? Is there any particular setup that might be interesting??
Napalm? Clusterbomb? Hellfire missiles? :D
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Originally posted by Kweassa
What kind of ordnance options would the P-47N have? Pretty much same as our D-40? Is there any particular setup that might be interesting??
Napalm? Clusterbomb? Hellfire missiles? :D
dont give em any ideas lol next week they ganna say they are making a thunderbolt 2
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Originally posted by Kweassa
What kind of ordnance options would the P-47N have? Pretty much same as our D-40? Is there any particular setup that might be interesting??
Napalm? Clusterbomb? Hellfire missiles? :D
Top image of a D model, bottom of the N model. Just a TAD bit of difference in load out :)
Dan/CorkyJr
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/810_1112602502_jugrocketsbombs.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/810_1112602871_loaded-p47n.jpg)
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Oh yea Baby .... No more of the stupid easy 1 ping pilot wounds ...
This pUppy better be armored correctly for a change .
Oh yea can i get the fuzzy pink seat covers and the amfm cd stereo option in mine ?
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
Whoever is whining about a new P47, there's very few plane dedicated squadrons in AH.
It's about time the 56th is given something to "compete" in the MA, flying D25s against D9/LA7/G10s/Ponies is getting frustrating.
:cool:It is a nice reward for us, for sticking with the underdog for years.:cool:
P47's are still Uber except for speed :)
P47N sounds great IMO, always nice getting new planes no matter what country they belonged to!
Gonna love to fly this puppy I think.
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Btw, we have a 190 F8, no real need for an F3 yet unless there is a scenario that requires it.
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Originally posted by Wilbus
Btw, we have a 190 F8, no real need for an F3 yet unless there is a scenario that requires it.
who are you and what the hell do you know?
be off with you!!
:D
morning wilbuzz.
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found this (http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p47_13.html) link with google.
Near the end of the text it says the N had a speed of 397mph at 10k.
Looks at HTC's Jug charts in the planes section and you will see that the speed increase is more or less linear for the P47's from 10k up to 25k.
Although this may be an inaccurate way of comparing, it's the best till we either find real numbers of actually get to fly it.
Speed difference in the other Jugs betwene 0k and 10k is almost 30mph.
N speed at 10k = 397 mph. Withdraw 30mph from this and you get 367.
So say around 360-370, not enough to compete with any of the fastest planes, LA7 will eat it to lunch most likely due to the weight if the N modell, Dora's will still be easy cause they can't turn for S***. P51's will eat it for lunch as will a well flown G10.
Question is, will anyone need more then 50% + DT? In normal Jugs I usually go 100% and DT, same thing in almost every plane except P51 and Ta152 but don't see a reason for that with the N.
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Morning Furball! Go away you dweeb! :D
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I think most of the frustration with the new planes comes from the fact that we have a Ta152 that is undermodeled, a Spit5 that is overmodeled, a 4 cannon F4U that is perked wjile a 3 cannon La7 remains unperked. I mean, really, is the N model needed. Did I miss the gigantic hole in the planeset that this will now shore up?
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I love the D so I hope the N is even better.
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Originally posted by JB42
I think most of the frustration with the new planes comes from the fact that we have a Ta152 that is undermodeled, a Spit5 that is overmodeled, a 4 cannon F4U that is perked wjile a 3 cannon La7 remains unperked. I mean, really, is the N model needed. Did I miss the gigantic hole in the planeset that this will now shore up?
Spit 5 overmodelled? How so?
It did exist, although a late 1942 bird, and I would hazard a guess more flew than the TA-152.
You also forgot the outrageously priced Spit 14.
But I do agree with the perk thing, about time HT brought some logical reasoning into it instead of perking willy nilly.
Wouldn't worry about the P-47N - If it's NOT perked I will be very suprised. It wouldn't come as a shock if it's up there close to a Spit 14 cost, given its speed at alt, range and ord carrying capabilities.
I'll give you one good reason why it will be perked - without it all you'll see is P-47N's instead of the usual mix of P47s.
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A lot of posts referring to the Spit5 over boost.
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I think its cool HTC added a new plane no matter what type it is.
Gives me a new target to kill:)
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yea and?????
typical wabble "Nah Und" reaction.
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
typical wabble "Nah Und" reaction.
Look who has to stick thier nose into other ppls business. And its more like a "yea so whats that have to do with anything" reaction so why dont you just stfu.
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Touchy guy huh?
Why dont u call urself Hansz
Hansz unterhosensheisskopf
:aok
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No more like dont feel like puting up with your crap right now guy.
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I would too if i was full enough.
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Might want to step away from the keyboard till you cool off.
Personally I don't want to see HTC have to intervene here again.
New airplanes are good things, regardless of whether they
happen to be your favorite or not.
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I've always been a sucker for Jugs.. Might have to resubscribe now just to try it out in the arena.
It sucks when work gets in the way of gaming. :rolleyes:
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Dont be fooled by climb rate numbers on the N. Usually those are with INSANE amount of fuel on board. If you think the D is a fuel tanker, check out the N... 93 gallon tank added in each wing. That is almost a 109 full fuel load EXTRA to the main tank fuel load.
The N has better roll rate than the D, larger wing area and a lot of extra power. When light on fuel it will be a monster (for 2 min... then it glides home:) ).
Down low it will not offer anything spectacular, G10, La7, P51D will still be better, but the little extra deck speed will help running away from the nimble turners. But up high... oh boy... death from above! :D
Bozon
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Not to mention it looks better than that that "other" box- simulators P-47. I'm not biased or anything. :D
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And we get this plane in 2 weeks right????:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Yes Azul, correct.