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What was the final plane usage stats for the last tour?
Thanks
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PlaneName DEATHS KILLS
Panzer IV H 72941 69688
La-7 25045 31833
N1K2 23825 27576
Spitfire V 20473 20563
B-24J 20003 9049
P-51D 18751 15894
Bf 110G-2 17877 13919
Lancaster III 17722 4913
SeaFire 17422 19159
Spitfire Mk I 14646 13726
PT Boat 14507 5579
Typhoon IB 13542 20175
Ostwind 13511 22431
F4U-1D 12717 8856
P-38L 11933 8869
Bf 109G-10 10371 15212
M-16 9980 6668
F6F-5 9374 8777
Il-2 9282 9454
B-26B 9193 3604
B-17G 9121 3300
A6M5b 8244 6045
Fw 190D-9 7752 11598
M-3 7625 1323
P-38J 6739 9772
P-47-D30 6606 4813
Ju 88 6570 978
Hurricane IIC 6077 7520
C-47A 5569 283
C.205 5325 5942
Fw 190A-8 4809 5769
F4U-1C 4414 10623
La-5FN 4136 4601
Mosquito Mk V 3932 3048
Bf 109F-4 3920 4566
A-20G 3795 3125
Ki-84-Ia 3670 4998
Yak-9U 3632 3739
Fw 190A-5 3508 4300
T-34 3255 1920
TBM-3 3238 503
LVTA2 3228 1081
F4U-1 3161 3042
M-8 3035 1097
Tiger I 2848 18005
Bf 109G-6 2819 3051
LVTA4 2651 879
Ki-67 2325 522
FM2 1898 1576
P-51B 1858 1505
Bf 109G-2 1776 2058
Fw 190F-8 1546 1172
P-38G 1459 1509
Hurricane IID 1416 591
Yak-9T 1380 1245
A6M2 1373 518
P-47-D25 1363 1487
Spitfire Mk I 1270 254
SBD-5 1203 162
P-40B 1200 520
Boston III 1194 80
P-47D-11 1167 1655
Ki-61 1131 1168
P-40E 998 638
Hurricane Mk 961 280
Tempest 900 5678
Bf 109E-4 764 409
Ju 87D-3 757 197
D3A1 707 167
F4F-4 697 527
B5N2 638 95
Me 262 573 2984
C.202 567 249
Bf 110C-4b 522 305
F4U-4 456 1436
Ar 234 406 176
Spitfire Mk X 346 648
Me 163B 278 1210
Gunner 272 869
Ta 152H 267 500
Ship Gunner 119 30415
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Wow!
Never realized Panzers were that much popular!!
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HiTech,
thanks but wasn't after the kill/deaths, but total plane sorites as you posted on the Enough is enough thread.
i.e.
Name Kills Planes %Total %Plane
Panzer IV H 30840 0 8.63% 0.00%
La-7 22736 22736 6.36% 8.68%
Ship Gunner 21950 0 6.14% 0.00%
N1K2 19411 19411 5.43% 7.41%
Ostwind 16088 0 4.50% 0.00%
Spitfire V 14953 14953 4.19% 5.71%
Typhoon IB 14221 14221 3.98% 5.43%
SeaFire 14148 14148 3.96% 5.40%
Tiger I 11732 0 3.28% 0.00%
P-51D 11158 11158 3.12% 4.26%
Bf 109G-10 10789 10789 3.02% 4.12%
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From what I see anyone who says the lala should be prked for killing people is wrong, just a greater number. The Dora has a bigger number between sorties and kills.
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You can make some interesting observations by looking at that list.
First, while it see's a lot of use, the La7's kill to death ratio is not that astounding.
La-7 25045 deaths to 31833 Kills.
F4u-1c, shows instantly why it was perked, indeed, it could be perked higher yet.
F4U-1C 4414 deaths and 10623 kills.
Thats pretty good odds for a perk plane.
Ta 152H 267 500
Another perk plane, still pretty good odds. Best leave it where it is I think.
Me 163B 278 1210
Whoa, HT how about doubling the perk on these bad boys!
Ok now the unperked favorites.
La-7 25045 deaths to 31833 Kills.
Fw 190D-9 7752 11598
La7 sees more use but look at the kills the dora racks up!!! Can anyone say 3 or 4 point perk for the Dora?
Typhoon IB 13542 20175
Bf 109G-10 10371 15212
Both of these do very nicely indeed. You can see why you see a lot of them.
N1K2 23825 27576
Spitfire V 20473 20563
The last of the highly used planes. Pretty well balanced.
There it is folks, the next time I see a la7 whine I'm starting a revolution to perk the dora. Its WAY worse than the poor la-7.
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The difference between the La7 and the Dora is the majority of La7s at least try to fight. The D9 makes that 'one pass, and haul a**'.
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Originally posted by Ghosth
You can make some interesting observations by looking at that list.
First, while it see's a lot of use, the La7's kill to death ratio is not that astounding.
La-7 25045 deaths to 31833 Kills.
F4u-1c, shows instantly why it was perked, indeed, it could be perked higher yet.
F4U-1C 4414 deaths and 10623 kills.
Thats pretty good odds for a perk plane.
There it is folks, the next time I see a la7 whine I'm starting a revolution to perk the dora. Its WAY worse than the poor la-7.
I do believe a important part of the equation is not seen on paper in black and white. How are these 2 planes used.
F4u-1c's are not seen used in base defence mode, because of perkies, and the possible loss of many perks quick.
La7's are the plane of choice on a base defence, they are used like a rented car. No perk loss no no big deal to get killed just reupp another. This would skew the kill to death ratio, making it look worse for the La7.
The f4u1c lives off field cap,(probably trying to vulch an la7) helping boost its score.
A stat like Avg. flight time for each plane, might help indicate whats really going on.
My problem is the amount of them in the air, you fly into a enemy base and out of first 10 planes ya see at least 5 will be La7.
and xnay on the perk increase for the 1c will ya.
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I'm going to fly a ship gunner this camp :D
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Kev I have never posted total sorties because we do not track that number, I had just posted total kills previously. You have always assumed that = sorties, but it dosn't, deaths are more representive of sortie count than kills are.
If you wish to make the % table just cut & paste the data to a spread sheet.
HiTech
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Did the Spit 9 really have less kills than the Spit I last tour?
That seems... amazing.
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Originally posted by hitech
Kev I have never posted total sorties because we do not track that number, I had just posted total kills previously. You have always assumed that = sorties, but it dosn't, deaths are more representive of sortie count than kills are.
If you wish to make the % table just cut & paste the data to a spread sheet.
HiTech
Ah I see,
I actually assumed that the last lot you posted were actual sorties flown.
Yeah deaths are more representative, but still don't give an accurate view of exactly how many sorties (plane usage) were flown.
Thanks for taking the time.
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Originally posted by Urchin
Did the Spit 9 really have less kills than the Spit I last tour?
That seems... amazing.
LOL almost got me too, that 1st Spitfire Mk I is for the Spitfire Mk IX, if you notice its truncated after the I ;) The real Spitfire Mk I only had 200 odd kills.
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Some more info from the same table (only fighters). When comparing the kills and ENY -values, it seems that some planes, notably Typhoon, P-38J, Seafire and Bf109-G10 seem to have too high ENY -values.
Most early war planes, as well as Yak-9T, Ki-61 and 190F-8 have too low ENY.
Rank Type Kills Deaths K-% K/D ENY
1 La-7 31833 25045 9.72 1.27 5
2 N1K2 27576 23825 8.42 1.16 7
3 Spitfire V 20563 20473 6.28 1.00 10
4 Typhoon IB 20175 13542 6.16 1.49 20
5 SeaFire 19159 17422 5.85 1.10 15
6 P-51D 15894 18751 4.85 0.85 6
7 Bf 109G-10 15212 10371 4.64 1.47 20
8 Bf 110G-2 13919 17877 4.25 0.78 20
9 Spitfire IX 13726 14646 4.19 0.94 8
10 Fw 190D-9 11598 7752 3.54 1.50 18
11 F4U-1C 10623 4414 3.24 2.41 5
12 P-38J 9772 6739 2.98 1.45 35
13 P-38L 8869 11933 2.71 0.74 15
14 F4U-1D 8856 12717 2.70 0.70 24
15 F6F-5 8777 9374 2.68 0.94 20
16 Hurricane II 7520 6077 2.30 1.24 35
17 A6M5b 6045 8244 1.85 0.73 30
18 C.205 5942 5325 1.81 1.12 40
19 Fw 190A-8 5769 4809 1.76 1.20 25
20 Tempest 5678 900 1.73 6.31 5
21 Ki-84-Ia 4998 3670 1.53 1.36 15
22 P-47-D30 4813 6606 1.47 0.73 30
23 La-5FN 4601 4136 1.40 1.11 35
24 Bf 109F-4 4566 3920 1.39 1.16 43
25 Fw 190A-5 4300 3508 1.31 1.23 35
26 Yak-9U 3739 3632 1.14 1.03 30
27 Bf 109G-6 3051 2819 0.93 1.08 40
28 Mosquito Mk 3048 3932 0.93 0.78 40
29 F4U-1 3042 3161 0.93 0.96 40
30 Me 262 2984 573 0.91 5.21 5
31 Bf 109G-2 2058 1776 0.63 1.16 42
32 P-47D-11 1655 1167 0.51 1.42 40
33 FM2 1576 1898 0.48 0.83 40
34 P-38G 1509 1459 0.46 1.03 45
35 P-51B 1505 1858 0.46 0.81 35
36 P-47-D25 1487 1363 0.45 1.09 35
37 F4U-4 1436 456 0.44 3.15 5
38 Yak-9T 1245 1380 0.38 0.90 30
39 Me 163B 1210 278 0.37 4.35 15
40 Fw 190F-8 1172 1546 0.36 0.76 35
41 Ki-61 1168 1131 0.36 1.03 40
42 Spitfire XIV 648 346 0.20 1.87 5
43 P-40E 638 998 0.19 0.64 45
44 F4F-4 527 697 0.16 0.76 50
45 P-40B 520 1200 0.16 0.43 60
46 A6M2 518 1373 0.16 0.38 55
47 Ta 152H 500 267 0.15 1.87 5
48 Bf 109E-4 409 764 0.12 0.54 55
49 Bf 110C-4b 305 522 0.09 0.58 55
50 Hurricane I 280 961 0.09 0.29 57
51 Spitfire I 254 1270 0.08 0.20 60
52 C.202 249 567 0.08 0.44 60
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Actually a complete revision of the ENY values and perk cost was something I think that should have been done when the ENY limiter was introduced.
Be better if you could sort your charts by K/D ratio, easier to read then.
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Here you go:
Rank Type Kills Deaths K-% K/D ENY
1 Tempest 5678 900 1.73 6.31 5
2 Me 262 2984 573 0.91 5.21 5
3 Me 163B 1210 278 0.37 4.35 15
4 F4U-4 1436 456 0.44 3.15 5
5 F4U-1C 10623 4414 3.24 2.41 5
6 Spitfire XIV 648 346 0.20 1.87 5
7 Ta 152H 500 267 0.15 1.87 5
8 Fw 190D-9 11598 7752 3.54 1.50 18
9 Typhoon IB 20175 13542 6.16 1.49 20
10 Bf 109G-10 15212 10371 4.64 1.47 20
11 P-38J 9772 6739 2.98 1.45 35
12 P-47D-11 1655 1167 0.51 1.42 40
13 Ki-84-Ia 4998 3670 1.53 1.36 15
14 La-7 31833 25045 9.72 1.27 5
15 Hurricane II 7520 6077 2.30 1.24 35
16 Fw 190A-5 4300 3508 1.31 1.23 35
17 Fw 190A-8 5769 4809 1.76 1.20 25
18 Bf 109F-4 4566 3920 1.39 1.16 43
19 Bf 109G-2 2058 1776 0.63 1.16 42
20 N1K2 27576 23825 8.42 1.16 7
21 C.205 5942 5325 1.81 1.12 40
22 La-5FN 4601 4136 1.40 1.11 35
23 SeaFire 19159 17422 5.85 1.10 15
24 P-47-D25 1487 1363 0.45 1.09 35
25 Bf 109G-6 3051 2819 0.93 1.08 40
26 P-38G 1509 1459 0.46 1.03 45
27 Ki-61 1168 1131 0.36 1.03 40
28 Yak-9U 3739 3632 1.14 1.03 30
29 Spitfire V 20563 20473 6.28 1.00 10
30 F4U-1 3042 3161 0.93 0.96 40
31 Spitfire IX 13726 14646 4.19 0.94 8
32 F6F-5 8777 9374 2.68 0.94 20
33 Yak-9T 1245 1380 0.38 0.90 30
34 P-51D 15894 18751 4.85 0.85 6
35 FM2 1576 1898 0.48 0.83 40
36 P-51B 1505 1858 0.46 0.81 35
37 Bf 110G-2 13919 17877 4.25 0.78 20
38 Mosquito Mk 3048 3932 0.93 0.78 40
39 Fw 190F-8 1172 1546 0.36 0.76 35
40 F4F-4 527 697 0.16 0.76 50
41 P-38L 8869 11933 2.71 0.74 15
42 A6M5b 6045 8244 1.85 0.73 30
43 P-47-D30 4813 6606 1.47 0.73 30
44 F4U-1D 8856 12717 2.70 0.70 24
45 P-40E 638 998 0.19 0.64 45
46 Bf 110C-4b 305 522 0.09 0.58 55
47 Bf 109E-4 409 764 0.12 0.54 55
48 C.202 249 567 0.08 0.44 60
49 P-40B 520 1200 0.16 0.43 60
50 A6M2 518 1373 0.16 0.38 55
51 Hurricane I 280 961 0.09 0.29 57
52 Spitfire I 254 1270 0.08 0.20 60
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Thanks,
Proves one thing, the Spit 14 is nowhere near worth its perk cost.
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I'm curious as to why ENY values are not figured dynamically. It shouldn't be hard for the host to update them once per day.
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Hey HT
Does a formation of Buffs count as 1 death or three for the table you posted ?
Mussis
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Each buff = 1 kill.
Therefore 3 = 3 kills.
Unfortuneately 'deaths' doesn't give a clear indication of plane usage which is what I was after.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Each buff = 1 kill.
Therefore 3 = 3 kills.
Unfortuneately 'deaths' doesn't give a clear indication of plane usage which is what I was after.
That's especially true with a plane like the Lgay7. Lgay's have limited fuel and ammunition relative to most other planes in the set. Lgays are also harder to kill due to their speed and small size relative to other planes (pilot notwithstanding). Because of these factors they are actually under-represented statistically by kill/death stats. They kill less and die less on average per sortie used.
Planes like the niki with huge range and ammoload which are relatively easy to kill because they are slow and larger are over-represented by kill/death stats relative to the numbers flown. It is because of these factors that, as we are saying, there are a disproportionately high number of Lgay7s relative to other planes in the set in the MA. Much more than kill/death stats may indicate.
For example it may take 5 Niki's to get 10 kills and 4 of them are likely to die in the process. But, it will take 9 or 10 Lgay's to get the same 10 kills and perhaps only 1 or 2 of them dies in the process. On your chart the Niki is actually more represented statistically in this scenario, but in actual fact, in the MA, in the fights the Lgay outnumbers the Niki (or any other plane) 2 to 1. Thus the problem. You may look at the above scenario and say well that's fine from a kill/death perspective the lgay7 isn't killing as many as the niki, but that is false. It is false in that the lgay pilot with be flying at least 2 sorties for every one of the niki, ever taking into consideration more lgay's are living therefore rtb'ing, by virtue of it's speed, acceleration and climbrate further exacerabting the lgay7 plurality crisis.
Variety is the spice of life and of AH, the over-predominance of the lgay7 is rapidly eroding that facet of AH's appeal, spend a few nights in the MA during prime-time and you'll figure it out really fast, HiTech, it ain't subtle...
Zazen
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U guys have to remember to. The Perked planes are ususally flown by pilots who know what they are doing and therefore will have a better K/D ratio.
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Zazen13 wrote
there are a disproportionately high number of Lgay7s relative
Your argument dosn't suport that conclusion Zazen. If the average sortie time is shorter(your argument),then if one compairs the number of La7s in the air at any one time as a % of the total planes in the air, that % would be lower than it would if it had a longer sortie time.
HiTech
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:( I need a coffe to understand that x=y-t_over.......
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For those who remember, the F4U-1C was perked shortly after it passed 20% total usage. The LA7 doesn't look like it's anywhere close to that. As a counter-argument, however, one could point out that the plane set was quite a bit smaller back then.
J_A_B
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Wow.. P-51D used to be in the top 5 for total kills. Notice now, since the new gunnery model, all the top killers are cannon-armed planes. The usage of the P-51D may have dropped some, because players may not like not being able to kill stuff now, but I bet its still heavily used regardless.
IMO, this really shows that cannon-armed aircraft have an advantage that is increased by the fact that flight controls and engine management are simplified...
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Originally posted by Midnight
Wow.. P-51D used to be in the top 5 for total kills. Notice now, since the new gunnery model, all the top killers are cannon-armed planes. The usage of the P-51D may have dropped some, because players may not like not being able to kill stuff now, but I bet its still heavily used regardless.
IMO, this really shows that cannon-armed aircraft have an advantage that is increased by the fact that flight controls and engine management are simplified...
Never noticed that till you pointed it out midnight, you can take the top 2 MG only planes and add them together and get the number 3 plane in kills. I seldom take up a MG only planes, and it's usually a Hurri I or Spit I.
Makes one think....
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But we all know what planes are likely to be found at what altitude at which bases under what conditions. If you fly to a 500 ' AGL furball at, or on the way to, an enemy base 20 miles away, what are you likely to see?
If you have chosen to go there, you also have the entire plane set at your fingertips. You may choose any plane and fly it from any field in any way you see fit. If your idea of fair is that you should have the right to always land 5 kills from a sortie into that scenario, then I think that's wrong.
The LA-7 is an interceptor and it is supposed to be used in that scenario of game play. If you choose not to fly it and wish to challenge yourself to survive in a swarm of them doing what they were designed to do - repel a swarm of invaders - then you have to fly where and how they can't kill you. I know this sounds ridiculously simple, but it really is that simple, at least to me. Up an La-7, Tempest or 262 and go kill all of them That's why you have perk points - because you were good enough to earn and keep them. If you don't have enough perk points, then you might need to ask yourself why that is. Or fly something else in a different way or at a different location.
I just don't see it as being a problem.
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Maybe it's just me but I don't see the problem with LA-7's. I hardly ever fly them and when I encounter them they die or kill me just as easily as any other ride.
Yeah, I'd like to see more early-mid war rides in the MA too but it's not going to happen on its own and trying to force it would just frustrate people and make the MA a much less pleasant experience for everyone.
People will fly what their level of confidence allows them to fly and that means the preponderance of players are going to be in the high-performance aircraft. Same thing applies to the tactics that people use: if all they don't have the confidence to mix it up they'll use what tactics do work for them. If that means HO and run, then that's what they'll do. If you find the "HO and run" personally offensive, then offer to take the guy into the TA or DA and teach him some "cool moves", or show them how to make you're personal fave pay in the game. Most likely both of you will benefit from the experience.
my $0.02
asw
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Originally posted by hitech
Zazen13 wrote
Your argument dosn't suport that conclusion Zazen. If the average sortie time is shorter(your argument),then if one compairs the number of La7s in the air at any one time as a % of the total planes in the air, that % would be lower than it would if it had a longer sortie time.
HiTech
Ummm no, because as we have asserted more people actually fly lgay7's relative to any other plane, and fly them almost in total exclusion to any other aircraft. So, as soon as the lgay7 pilot lands he immediately re-ups another lgay7.
Zazen
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Well, obviously having the sortie #'s would be more precise, but I think it is possible to get a decent estimate of usage by looking at the kill/death numbers.
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Tempest is awesome.
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Originally posted by Ghosth
Ta 152H 267 500
Another perk plane, still pretty good odds. Best leave it where it is I think.
Me 163B 278 1210
Whoa, HT how about doubling the perk on these bad boys!
Ok now the unperked favorites.
La-7 25045 deaths to 31833 Kills.
Fw 190D-9 7752 11598
La7 sees more use but look at the kills the dora racks up!!! Can anyone say 3 or 4 point perk for the Dora?
There it is folks, the next time I see a la7 whine I'm starting a revolution to perk the dora. Its WAY worse than the poor la-7.
Ghosth the fact that the Ta152 has got a near 2-1 in kill/death is that it is a perk plane, one almost only flown by experienced pilots. As it is a perk plane it is flown in a more carefull way. Kill Death is not a good way to messure wether it should be perked or not. This is a plane that would see little or any more use if unperked.
Same thing goes for the D9 vs LA7 discussion. A for higher number of experienced pilots fly the Dora then there are experienced pilots who fly the La7. The La7 is, wether one likes it or not, a newbie plane (meaning that mostly newbies fly it, although some experienced pilots do it aswell).
Put an La7 vs a Dora in a fight with equal pilots and the La7 holds every single advantage.
It's the pilot not the plane that makes the difference here...
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Ummm no, because as we have asserted more people actually fly lgay7's relative to any other plane, and fly them almost in total exclusion to any other aircraft. So, as soon as the lgay7 pilot lands he immediately re-ups another lgay7.
Zazen
That's an assumtion that you don't have any hard evidence to back it up. I am sure there have been nights when you have killed the same guy in his LA7 over and over but that does not reflect on the populatuin as a whole.
I don't see large hoards of LA7s when I'm on-line, Prime-Time Eastern. Sure they are out there but not in adverse numbers.
If you see mutiple LA7s defending a field you are attacking then you have nothing to complain about because they are using the plane exactly the way it was intended.
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I agree with Clifra.
When you up in an La7 (I refuse to call them L-Gays, but I will belittle the pilots) 3 times in 30 minutes but up a Nik or whatever once in 30 minutes that skews the results. It's the % of the La7s up at any one given time - and they are, in part, being flown as they were in RL.
It's like my philosophy with women...two 5s make a 10. That's why I beleive in a womans right to choose...paper or plastic (for the bag over her head). I also fully support gay marriage, as long as both chicks are hot!:p
Magoo