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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Bodhi on July 02, 2005, 01:04:48 PM
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/07/02/idaho.children/index.html
It's wonderful they found her, hopefully they find her brother alive as well.
I do not know if it's me or not, but I really feel we need to deal a whole lot better with these convicted sex offenders. It seems to me that this repeat offending is setting a trend that needs to be stopped.
WHat are the answers? I'd sure like to know.
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At the risk of sounding like a conservative, there's not much reason to keep this guy above ground as far as I am concerned.
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It is a sickness WITHOUT a cure..no treatment will ever help them..lock em away for life or execute them...trying to "rehabilitate" them and release them back into society obviously doesn't work.
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One, shot, One kill. Let the Marine (or any other Branch) snipers have live targets.
Karaya
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Originally posted by Maverick
At the risk of sounding like a conservative, there's not much reason to keep this guy above ground as far as I am concerned.
Thats not just a conservative viewpoint. I think we all want these people put away.
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The answer: Put them down humanely, and move on.
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Originally posted by SOB
The answer: Put them down humanely, and move on.
why does everything have to be done "humanely"...have we really become such a society of wussies that someone DESERVING of cruel and unusual punishment gets treated better than his victims or the average citizen?
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No, we are a civilized society, and better than the piece of garbage that we're removing from our society.
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Originally posted by SOB
No, we are a civilized society, and better than the piece of garbage that we're removing from our society.
yeah!! feed them down a super-sized garbage disposal...
slowly...
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Originally posted by SOB
No, we are a civilized society, and better than the piece of garbage that we're removing from our society.
Ever stop to think about the possibility of being TOO "clinical" and TOO "civilized" when dealing with the scum of the earth?
Perhaps the penal system has become too neat, too nice, and too sanitized.
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No, but I have thought about the cost of keeping them alive, housed & fed. What would you do with them? If you'd keep them alive and torture them, what exactly do you expect to accomplish?
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I say if they can tap dance in a wood chipper for...Hmmmm 10 minutes, then set them free.
mac
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I thought about posting a yet another thread bound to turn into a "bigger and better ways to kill people" comment at the start of this thread. You guys sure don't disappoint.
I particularly enjoy the way you take a tragedy that happened to people you don't know and feel that somehow it's you that needs the satisfaction of watching this guy be tortured.
The comments on how to kill someone for something like this actually do cast a dim reflection. It's part of the extreme nature of action that causes situations like this. Once you get into defining what painfull deaths people deserve you can justify pretty much anything. The great irony is that the killer most likely did the exact same thing when considering his victims.
That's what SOB is eluding to.
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Mini D are we to sugar coat Sexual Abusers? Maybe we just don't UNDERSTAND? Sure they're misUNDERSTOOD. They need help and rehabilitation.
Let it be one of your children and then you'd maybe UNDERSTAND!
Bet you'd have a different UNDERSTANDING then.
Take em all out of Society... One Shot, One Kill. Let GOD sort them out.
BTW Mini D I just reread your last posting... Are you contributing to the thread "Not your Thread" or are you purposely assaulting SOB?
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This person deserves the death penalty. That is very clear. It is quite simply perverse to sit and think up more torturous ways to do it.
As far as how sex offenders, in general, should be treated... well, you come up with a system that doesn't have to rely solely on the word of an individual or define groping a woman as a sex offense and I'll listen. Right now, the system is so far away from any modecome of common sense that I can't see the death penalty as punishment for anything but murder.
But this thread wasn't really about that. It was about how cruel the execution of this individual should be. Cruelty is not a remedy for anything.
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KARAYA had a wonderful idea!
that or send them to prisons and let them unleash their anger. It would be entertaining they could even make a pay per view outof it. We could send them to mexico but they would come back so scratch that idea. how about chopping there piece off and their hands. they can't molest much then. also cut off there legs so the children can run away if they try
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I don't think anyone here is seriously advocating torture or anything of the sort. However, I'd say several would agree that a good old fashioned PUBLIC hanging on the town square would be a far better solution than a clinical and sanitized lethal injection in a white room with 6 witnesses.
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If you don't think so, you should probably read some of the posts again. On the hanging bit, I've certainly got no problem with that. Putting them down "humanely" doesn't mean you have to pat their bottoms and do it in a white room, it means you do it without unnecessary torture.
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I always thought that unless we were willing to do it publically, we shouldn't be executing anyone.
As for method, a rope is reusable, no poison is used or released to the environment, no energy is used the generation of which causes greenhouse gas emission, nuclear waste, fish or bird kills, and the hemp used to make the rope can be grown organically.
As far as this case, the man probably should stand trial before we execute him.
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I advocate torture, and I am serious about it.
The problem with our society is that there is no real punishment for commiting a crime.
Being killed by Lethal Injection isn't a punishment. The person will never feel death. They'll never know that they are dead.
Being put in prison isn't a punishment. Tax payers pay at least thousands of dollars per Prisoner for them to just be there. And after a certain amount of time, they are thought to be rehabilitated and are released. The problem is that the number of repeat crimes is outrageous.
What needs to be done is a quicker more painful system of punishments. I.E. Public flogging, public execution.
Say you shop lift something. Instead of spending a few months in prison and thousands of dollars, we give him 10 lashes in the center public square.
The punishment will be both embarassing and painful. It will leave a scar. The punishment will be broadcasted on a Television channel for anyone to see if they wish.
But say you murder someone. You will be killed in public square. Either by electrocution, hanging or Death by Firing Squad. You will know you were dying, and you will die painfully. But don't forget that you murdered someone.
Now, before you freak out, nothing will be changed about the justice system. There are still courts that go through the same processes. But now the only thing different would be the punishment.
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Originally posted by SOB
If you don't think so, you should probably read some of the posts again. On the hanging bit, I've certainly got no problem with that. Putting them down "humanely" doesn't mean you have to pat their bottoms and do it in a white room, it means you do it without unnecessary torture.
I think the methods listed here are being listed mostly in jest. The proper word is probably hyperbole.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I always thought that unless we were willing to do it publically, we shouldn't be executing anyone.
As for method, a rope is reusable, no poison is used or released to the environment, no energy is used the generation of which causes greenhouse gas emission, nuclear waste, fish or bird kills, and the hemp used to make the rope can be grown organically.
As far as this case, the man probably should stand trial before we execute him.
that sums my thoughts up pretty well.
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In the case of execution I don't agree on making it any kind of "education" either for the criminal or for the public at large. It has been shown that in the heat of passion, abstract thoughts about what will happen just don't surface. Once it is over they may regret the action but not while in the act. In this case it is just a matter of protecting the public by removing a threat to individual members of the public. Just do it and get it over with .
The criminal certainly is not learning a lesson by being executed, they are just being permanently being removed as a threat. Hence there is no need to "punish" him in a rather nasty method of execution. That would be simply a means of expressing the anger of the population or folks who are offended by the criminal. That isn't necessary nor desired. Just get rid of the offending person and be done with it. It is after all the potential recidivism that is being prvented as well as saving the cost of warehousing this individual for the rest of their "natural" life. Do not enjoy it, do not think it's a lesson, it's just removing a threat and should be done with regret that such a step is necessary givern the threat the criminal posed to society.
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I never started this thread to see people list ways of torturing sexual deviants. I did start it because I am frustrated over the number of children that have made it onto the news so unfortunately as of late AND my wife is a child psychologist that sees the worst that society can do to it's children, so, yes, I am very frustrated.
I personally feel (like I am sure) a lot of you do, that society has pacified the penal system. That in short going to prison has become something other than it was intended to be. I feel that it needs to be changed, and that the punishment aspect needs to be reintroduced. No weight rooms, no television, no sports, no conjugal visits. Instead daily work programs with one day off per week, were they have a choice to attend a prison religous set up, or sit in their cell.
The death penalty needs to be brought back to it's roots. Death by hanging or firing squad. The victims families chice.
Sexual Offenders should not be released into society without a system that tracks them and identifys them to the communities they live in. They do not deserve annonymity at that point. They have screwed up, and people (especially families with small children) need to know. Too many people worry about the offender's rights, well, wtf happened to victims rights?
I am, as I am sure a lot of you are frustrated with whats happening. It is time for a change that is long overdue.