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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Vudak on July 03, 2005, 10:21:18 AM
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I would like to get the community's view on something:
When someone from your country hides the CV, would it be wrong to tell the other country where it is? I mean openly, on 200?
I don't think it's wrong at all. It's almost the furballers revenge against the fun police :D
Just wanted a few views on it if you would.
Thanks.
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Of course it'd be wrong to say that on ch200. The correct procedure is to switch sides and go sink it yourself. ;)
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Hiding a CV is pretty gamey, and I always ask whoever is controling it to bring it into play. Good news is that on months I play alot, I can almost always wrest control from 99% of my countrymen.....even better news is I have a few scorepotato....err I mean very talented friends that are always in the top 50 :D
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If someone is "Hiding" the CV, and this worries or bothers you, I think that you should fall on your sword, take one for the team, and go find it.
-Sik
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guess we didnt hide any cv's at midway ...
(does that explain it )
whats worse is the spy's/traitors grabbin a cv when the numbers are low and sending it to instant death . (but then these guys probly kill shades too )
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Sorry, tactical mavens -- but it's called a game because you get to PLAY with it. Bring the CV into play after a defined time period -- if the "owners" dont lose it within, I dunno, 4 hours, it ought to fall on its own sword and reappear at the appropriate port.
Taking away gameplay opportunities takes away fun. All we're strategizing over is winning 25 perks per map, for crying out loud -- why not just go kill 15-25 planes?
And some of the BEST fights happen either defending a carrier or launching base atacks from one.
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Originally posted by Simaril
Sorry, tactical mavens -- but it's called a game because you get to PLAY with it. Bring the CV into play after a defined time period -- if the "owners" dont lose it within, I dunno, 4 hours, it ought to fall on its own sword and reappear at the appropriate port.
Why wait 4 hours? Go find it and kill it.
-Sik
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I think it is just fine to turn in the location of the hidden CV.
Hiding CVs is gamey and doesn't encourage gameplay, it hinders it all so some 'arm-chair general' can play with his offline joystick and lose bodily function when he acquires extra perks for winning a war.
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Originally posted by Sikboy
If someone is "Hiding" the CV, and this worries or bothers you, I think that you should fall on your sword, take one for the team, and go find it.
Originally posted by Sikboy
Why wait 4 hours? Go find it and kill it.
Read what Vudak wrote again. He said if a person from you own country hides a CV should you tell the other country where it is. I say yes blab it out on Ch. 200. If they dont want to use it then whats the point of keeping it? So the other country cant use it agenst you thats retarded. CVs are ment to go in and take a chance. If you defende it then you dont have to worry about it getting sunk. Most ppl stay 3-4K and wait for ppl that want to attack te CV when they could be at 10K killing the high bombers let the 5"ers and the quad40s worry about lo alt cons.
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Strange I always denial of resources was a part of a war OR a game for that matter.
I suppose I'm just more into the strategic side of the game vs the quake side.
Rather than blab it out, change sides and go sink it if it bothers you that much.
Or is it you just want someone to take the chance of getting shot down?
Truekill - No matter how well a CV is defended eventually the suiciders get through. Might make more sense if you could only use eggs/torps to kill a CV, but recently I have seen Spits, Lalas even Zekes straffing them.
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For the first 12 hours if they want it, let em come find it.
After that if its still sitting back of beyond, I might change its course so its a bit more likely to be found.
24 hours later if its still not been found I wouldn't blab on 200 where it is. Thats just asking to be ostrizised and dweeb hunted.
Find someone on the other side that you know & respect and PM them the location.
You have fulfilled any honor requirements, and you havn't ticked off the rest of your country doing it.
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My vote: do nothing on ch200
if they want to hide it for the sake of hidding it then that just shows to everyone else they're idiots and probably need professional help if not getting it already in their lives.
if they want to hide it for tactical reasons and you feel its no tactical advantage in doing so, try to reason with them and if that doesnt work get the perks to take it if it bothers you so much.
i hardly ever see real hiding of the cvs for no good reason i can probably count the times i've seen it on one hand since cvs became avail.
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Originally posted by TrueKill
Read what Vudak wrote again. He said if a person from you own country hides a CV should you tell the other country where it is.
If we need any more evidence of my mental incapcity, I'm sure I'll provide it soon enough :p
-Sik
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Originally posted by Sikboy
Why wait 4 hours? Go find it and kill it.
-Sik
I guess I awsnt clear about what I meant. By all means, the "victims" should have fun finding and killing it if they can.
I was thinking more of game structuring. After enough time ahs passed, finding the CV might descend into box pattern searches, which while realistic just isnt fun.
IMHO, the CV should automatically respawn if the associated port has been in enemy hands for a predetermined time. When the game allows it to be hidden endlessly, it just reduces gameplay.
In the meantime, I think I go with Ghosth's plan 100%.
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id say it depends on what map.
if its a small map with only a couple cv's then keep it hidden, those ports change hands so often.
if its a large map with dozens of cv's then blab away...
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A post like this is a little like setting up a complaints department and haveing "customers" come in with "Complements"!
Ofcause most replies to this post will favour the so called "lack of game play" but I'll stand with Kev367th on this. It's not gamey and it's not dweeby. It's purly for stratigy. Why have that bloody thing roving around when your trying to take fields? If it's captured it's captured. If they (enemy) want it back let "THEM" find it and try sink it. You could always up fighters to kill the attackers.
As for blobbing Cv location on 200 or indeed privately, you do yourself, your side and those guys that tuck the port / captured Cv, a great injustice. As has already been said if it bothers FOLK that much switch countries and YOU go sink it. It's not as though the whole furball / fields capture thing is all hung up because 1 Cv is stashed away. Plenty of furballs about plenty of fields to capture.
The only time I wouldn't hide a Cv is when there is absolutly no point i.e close to getting a reset or when the captured port is well in friendly territory. No point then to hide it. As for the big maps with 4 + Cv's per side it's just a little to bothersum to remember which Cv to which port etc. Having said that, becuase of the fluidity, of the larger maps. It maybe necessary to send a newly acquired Cv to the back untill the terrain captures move on a little. I refere you to the part about port well in friendly hands.
To sum up. Cv capture is a necessity and doesn't impinge on game play. Blobbing about Cv location is err well... darn right rude.
LYNX ~SOB~
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If they want the CV bad enough, they will find it.
Of course, having some nimrod shout out the location has always been a good tool for the lazy players to use. Why bother putting out some effort to hunt down a CV when some one on the other side will just hand it to them.
There will always be someone willing to be "fair" that the team looking for the CV can manipulate. Shout out the CVs location so that we know who you are. That way we won't accidently have you on a mission or an event where you can do some real damage.
Staggers the mind that questions like this have to be asked.
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I would tell everyone. Find out where he lives. And drive/fly there and beat him up.
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I ain't a rat. Game or no game.
Is it my fault I have jerk coplayers that hide CV's, no. Will I rat on my own countrymen because of that, no freakin way.
If I see someone do that, expect me to be buggin you for the remainder of that night, calling you rat and such.
my 2 cents.
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How do you hide a CV? You mean just sailing it to an out-of-the-way corner of the map?
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Originally posted by Brooke
How do you hide a CV? You mean just sailing it to an out-of-the-way corner of the map?
Take a port; sink the CV and the CV becomes yours; you get an extra base/CV.
If you think the port is vulnerable; go hide the CV. It has to be sunk to change sides to match the port's owners.
A very pathetic game "feature".
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The PM option is good. The switching sides to sink it myself is bad. Then I would be stuck Bish all day ;)
Really though, only the people who would bother to hide it are the only people who would go into coniptions if its position was given away. I'd be willing to bet that these are the same sort of people who destroy FHs and try to "rally" everyone anyway. Thus, it matters little to me if they are upset.
I never really did think about the other country actually having a fun time trying to find it though, and I think what GhostH said hit it on the head.
Still, if it is broadcast, the worst that happens is the enemy knows where it is, they can still launch long range missions against it, and if the little sneaky bugger wants to keep the CV for his side, he'd better be willing to fight for it, which is the point anyway.
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I favor limiting the time a player can control a CV. If he gives no input for like 10 minutes, he should lose command. And I also think that somebody with a higher rank should NOT be able to bump somebody else outta the driver seat.
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Ether brodcatsing the locashun on 200 or PMing one of teh nma playerz is lame!!11! TIHS GAME IZ ABOWT W@RR!1!! WE MUST WIN TEH W@R AT ALL COSTS!
Seriously though, hiding the CVs is lame, and it is boring, and denial of resources is a fancy term for being sulky following your inability to protect or recapture your port, and denying others some fun fights because your virtual pride was injured. IT'S A FREAKING GAME PEOPLE. If the bad guys get the boat back, it's not gone forever. Take the port back, sink the CV again, bam! Right back at square one. Takes twice the time for you to get your precious make-believe boat to some remote corner of the map.
Also, on a related note, I'll be offering GPS Carrier tracking and location reporting in the MA for the reasonable rate of $1.00 (US funds) for each report, and I'll soon be offering you stalkers realtime tracking info on the enemy of your choice, rates to be decided later. I can be reached in-game at .radio 1 hub [enter] / .
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hiding the CVs is teh ghey!
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Also, on a related note, I'll be offering GPS Carrier tracking and location reporting in the MA for the reasonable rate of $1.00 (US funds) for each report, and I'll soon be offering you stalkers realtime tracking info on the enemy of your choice, rates to be decided later. I can be reached in-game at .radio 1 hub [enter] / .
:rofl
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lol listen to these guys................... Calling out to oher side where cv is are probally same guys willing to tell other side where goons is so they can continue to vulch or guys telling other side about noe missions. Can You please explain difference to me?
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Originally posted by Simaril
-- why not just go kill 15-25 planes?
Or just 5 with a high ENY ride.
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How about this, just make them visible on the maps.
As for giving location on 200, I guess if you want to look like an idiot go for it. I just don't see what could be more "gamey" than that.
Why all the drama over a chess piece anyway?
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Originally posted by rod367th
lol listen to these guys................... Calling out to oher side where cv is are probally same guys willing to tell other side where goons is so they can continue to vulch or guys telling other side about noe missions. Can You please explain difference to me?
The difference being that a goon trying to capture a field or an NOE raid are all parts of the fight, whereas hiding a cv is an attempt to prevent any fight.
I guess the question is who is the greater ***. The guy who reveals the CV, and thus enables a fight, or the guy who hides it, and thus prevents one. Not that two wrongs make a right or that anyone who's given some thought to doing the former actually, in the end, would go through with it. I just was wondering what the community thought of it all.
I still am glad GhostH brought up the point that people might get a kick out of trying to find their "stolen" CV, as I'd never thought of that. However, when someone plots its course to the opposite end of the map, and it is within an hour or two of being unreachable by that country, in the interest of fairness and fun for the majority, the other team should be alerted while they still have a chance of sinking it. If they miss, they miss. If it is defended successfully, well, that's the purpose. But to simply deny them this fun is like taking the ball home so no one can play.
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There's a bigger thing that hacks me off---at pivotal moment on thursday or friday, (first day of new camp, everyone was ranked 0) , 2-3 bases either way determined whether Nits or Rooks won reset over the Baltic map (the one with all the gv fights on west side between 18/19)-- as CV49 was approaching southwest side of 45--needing dearly to be turned NE, guy named 46321 grabs it..noob...never seen before or since that day--he STILL has 15 sorties, no kills---he held the cv from us, keeping it away from helping recapture 44--ya CANT take a cv away from anyone if everybody ranked 0--46321 held that cv in useless loop until nits won reset about an hour later---in short, 0 ranked pukes oughtnt be able to grab cv--if I had a nickel for every time I've seen this over past 5-6 years--
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"The guy who reveals the CV, and thus enables a fight, or the guy who hides it, and thus prevents one. "
"in the interest of fairness and fun for the majority, the other team should be alerted while they still have a chance of sinking it."
I think these two comments hold a clue if taken together.
An obvious conclusion would be that if the "majority" were really that concerned, the odds are pretty slim that a higher ranked player wouldn't be able to just grab it and put it back in play.
In reality, probably the only players really concerned about said CV are in the minority, namely maybe two players, the guy who hid it and the guy who's stressing about. Nobody else gives it much thought.
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Originally posted by kj714
An obvious conclusion would be that if the "majority" were really that concerned, the odds are pretty slim that a higher ranked player wouldn't be able to just grab it and put it back in play.
In reality, probably the only players really concerned about said CV are in the minority, namely maybe two players, the guy who hid it and the guy who's stressing about. Nobody else gives it much thought.
Well then, at worst, only one guy should be upset if its position is given away? That doesn't strike me as reality, though I could be wrong.
The "majority" is a bit of an outside the box concept. It involves players from both chess pieces, not just the one that hid it.
Hope you won't take this as me personally trying to heckle you, kj714.
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Use it or lose it.
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Originally posted by Vudak
I would like to get the community's view on something:
When someone from your country hides the CV, would it be wrong to tell the other country where it is? I mean openly, on 200?
I don't think it's wrong at all. It's almost the furballers revenge against the fun police :D
Just wanted a few views on it if you would.
Thanks.
Am I missing something here? I don't understand. If you mean a cv we just acquired, by the work of land grabbing toolshed hitting dweebs that took a port and sunk a cv. Then you don't see the big picture, of course you run the cv. The greater the distance between the port and the cv, the more u split their forces.
So why give it away?
Now if your talking about a cv allocated to us, well then my question stands again, why give it away?
Kinda funny how this question would be moot if we were all furballers, since there'd be no port capture, nor cv to hide.
Weird huh.
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Hes talking about some bunghole hideing a CV that the enemy owns the port to way off in a corner taking it out of play so the enemy cant use it.Which is gay.
To simplify,Bish take port B12.The rooks still have the CV and Little Nepolian takes control and shoves it into bumfeeked eygpt so it will not be used.
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Originally posted by DrDea
Hes talking about some bunghole hideing a CV that the enemy owns the port to way off in a corner taking it out of play so the enemy cant use it.Which is gay.
To simplify,Bish take port B12.The rooks still have the CV and Little Nepolian takes control and shoves it into bumfeeked eygpt so it will not be used.
Ohhhh, crap. Sorry, never thought of that. I apologise then. I misunderstood. Yes, then we should take cv towards port and recapture port.
But, normally the furballers wouldn't call that 'fun police', since there's no planes upping at a port.
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I say if you can keep the enemy from being able to use it, do it! Deny them every weapon possible.
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Originally posted by airbumba
Ohhhh, crap. Sorry, never thought of that. I apologise then. I misunderstood. Yes, then we should take cv towards port and recapture port.
But, normally the furballers wouldn't call that 'fun police', since there's no planes upping at a port.
Well no one ever said you had to recapture the port with it.. Just bring it into play somewhere. I really don't care if you use it for a furball, for milkrunning, base capture, or even just as a mobile resupply base for other hard hit places. What gets me is when someone sends it into the far corner of the map and sails a triangle. Pretty stupid.
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Yep... just announce the location to everyone.
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so funny to listen to some of the clueless people here lol.
some maps with many CVs (couple 5 or 6 per side), doesnt really matter if enemy CV is hidden. but some maps like nisles for example. 2 CVs are important if u wana be able tofocus on other fights. CV13 and CV20 they both spawn within 15 mins of enemy base.
if team A owns A10, CV 13 is pain in da ***, every 15 mins its a furball as team B uses it to try n retake a10, forcing A to use resources for an hour or more to defend 10. so if A gets p14 and C13, then takes 13 out of area, before B retakes p14. A 10 is fairly safe and wont require defending every 15 mins, and alow
A to focus those resources elsewhere.
same situation goes for P21 C20 to a40, take n remove C20, A40 doesnt have CV hitting it every 15 mins.
Nisles benifits most from captured CV retreat. most the other maps, either have many more CVs or the water is too small to allow effective CV hiding.
simple if u dont want ur CV taken and hid from u, u should defend ur port in 1st place, or do what most the bish do, use thier 2nd accounts to spy out enemy movements.
ive said before many times, when port is take, CV should respawn to owner after like 4 hours, makem Use it before u LOSE it.
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Originally posted by whels
so funny to listen to some of the clueless people here lol.
some maps with many CVs (couple 5 or 6 per side), doesnt really matter if enemy CV is hidden. but some maps like nisles for example. 2 CVs are important if u wana be able tofocus on other fights. CV13 and CV20 they both spawn within 15 mins of enemy base.
if team A owns A10, CV 13 is pain in da ***, every 15 mins its a furball
Ohhh, so true. We definetlt don't want anything like that to happen. People fighting, the killing, all those planes in the air. Can't we all just get along?
Or are you saing that we need more CV on that map? Sorry, I had to ask being clueless and such
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Originally posted by dedalos
Ohhh, so true. We definetlt don't want anything like that to happen. People fighting, the killing, all those planes in the air. Can't we all just get along?
Or are you saing that we need more CV on that map? Sorry, I had to ask being clueless and such
if u wouldnt take the just part f the statement, ur highlight would be mute. its a furball to capture/defend the base. not a furball to just fight.. BIG difference. middle island is a example of furball to fight most the time.
and yes more CVs per map, would render CV hiding less usefull.
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I think a limited number of AC should be allowed to up from a particular base at any give time.(which would /could change due to ENY limiter) including CVs
the more CVs you have in the area the more planes and firepower you can bring to bear.
this would make capturing and actually using a CV more preferable then hiding it.
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Originally posted by whels
its a furball to capture/defend the base. not a furball to just fight.. BIG difference.
From what I've seen, most furballs that don't happen in center island have a substantial number of people not carrying any sort of ordinance.
A furball is a furball. I don't see the difference, except, perhaps, that you do not like having the bases you seek be contested, or the ones you own, attacked? I might be wrong, but this is the impression I've gathered.
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Originally posted by whels
if u wouldnt take the just part f the statement, ur highlight would be mute. its a furball to capture/defend the base. not a furball to just fight.. BIG difference. middle island is a example of furball to fight most the time.
and yes more CVs per map, would render CV hiding less usefull.
The only difference is that this furball has a purpose to it. Even better!!! Imagine that!, a fight with a goal. You win the fight and you get to keep or take the base. It seems you have a problem with that. You don't want to have to fight to keep what you have or take what you want. I never fly in the middle island, can you guess why? I like to fight but having a reason to, is even more fun. Its easy to keep a base thats not under attack or to take an undefended one. I bet you even I could do it :D
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Originally posted by dedalos
The only difference is that this furball has a purpose to it. Even better!!! Imagine that!, a fight with a goal. You win the fight and you get to keep or take the base. It seems you have a problem with that. You don't want to have to fight to keep what you have or take what you want. I never fly in the middle island, can you guess why? I like to fight but having a reason to, is even more fun. Its easy to keep a base thats not under attack or to take an undefended one. I bet you even I could do it :D
yes rooks know about taking undefended bases, yall do that very well, while we fight ur masters the bish :O
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Originally posted by whels
, while we fight ur masters the bish :O [/QUOTE
:rofl :rofl
Whels,you see the bish too big through 5" gunsight zoom
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Originally posted by whels
yes rooks know about taking undefended bases, yall do that very well, while we fight ur masters the bish :O
lol, been a rook for 2 days. Hard to argue with your logic though :lol
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Originally posted by dedalos
lol, been a rook for 2 days. Hard to argue with your logic though :lol
You better poke your head into the squad forum and say Hi or I will beat you to within an inch of your life !!!!
:D
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Originally posted by SlapShot
You better poke your head into the squad forum and say Hi or I will beat you to within an inch of your life !!!!
:D
:rofl I can't find it
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Originally posted by ghi
Originally posted by whels
, while we fight ur masters the bish :O [/QUOTE
:rofl :rofl
Whels,you see the bish too big through 5" gunsight zoom [/B]
hard to miss them all :) like shooting a shotgun into a gaggle of hens. gona hit a few each time .