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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: lasersailor184 on July 03, 2005, 10:21:24 AM
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Will the p51's FM's become better or worse?
And based off of known statistics, what *Should* happen to the P51 and how should it be different?
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Where do you get that HTC plans to change the P-51 flight model? Did I miss something? The development update states that the next patch improves the graphics model for P-51s and P-47s.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Well im thinkin the would well the dm anways lol.
I Hope they change the flight mod.
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Why do you hope they change the FM?
You people are really something. Not once did HT or Pyro say anything about FM changes in the P51D.
So I'll ask again, why?
Why do you think it needs to be changed. What proof do you have that says it is not accurate?
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Originally posted by Morpheus
You people are really something. Not once did HT or Pyro say anything about FM changes in the P51D.
So I'll ask again, why?
Why you ask?
Because it needs to go faster than a Lala, have 4 Hispanos with 500 rounds each, turn like a Spitfire and be made of 3/8 plate steel, and have dive brakes.
I can't believe that's not obvious to you!! :rofl :rofl :D
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It is not the totally uber tie-fighter they think it should be.
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The P-51 has the correct FM modeling so far...
Other planes in AH have minor bugs... it vexes me!
For example, Spitfire 1a shows it has +12 max power @ WEP but it does not deliver the actual power (we are still stuck with AH spit 1 speed and climb)
Fw-190A-5 (looooooooong debated in this forum lol) has incorrect ata guage setting (try to compare EB6 and the guage and you'll see). AH 190A-5 is missing 12mph deck speed and its suppose to have lower climb rate at med-hi alt (refer to the RLM 190A-5 and see...)
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Well, perhaps it's got something to do with new, updated 3D models also receiving some kind of revision or light changes with their introduction.
I'm not quite sure as to why some of you are reacting in a neuro-psychotic way to a simple question lasersailor asked.
What are you, anti-whine suppression task force or something?
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Will the p51's FM's become better or worse?
This is a loaded question. It assumes from the start that the 51 would change, and we have said nothing about changing it, nore do I know of any planes to change it.
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What about drag from ord racks? I was told (because i never did the testing myself) that there were some changes in the 190s and how they performed with/without ord hardpoints.
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Originally posted by JB42
What about drag from ord racks? I was told (because i never did the testing myself) that there were some changes in the 190s and how they performed with/without ord hardpoints.
They did change, I was the one that tested that. I believe that HT or Pyro have said that all planes that get updated to the 2.0 3D model will have the drag of the ord pylons added. I have not tested it, but that means the P-38's should be slower after dropping ord than if they launch light, just like the 190's.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
Well, perhaps it's got something to do with new, updated 3D models also receiving some kind of revision or light changes with their introduction.
I'm not quite sure as to why some of you are reacting in a neuro-psychotic way to a simple question lasersailor asked.
What are you, anti-whine suppression task force or something?
Amen Kwe. Peace Bro's
It would be ok if it didnt sound so chest puffing condescending.
I hear it now. In the voice of Heeere I come to save the Daayyyy! :D
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Originally posted by JB42
What about drag from ord racks? I was told (because i never did the testing myself) that there were some changes in the 190s and how they performed with/without ord hardpoints.
There is a measurable loss of speed when using bomb racks in the 190 aircraft, about 5 to 6 mph as far as I can tell.
All flight data commonly published for the P-51D includes the wing pylons. These were OEM, not added in the field and not something generally removed.
If you research the P-47, you will find that the P-47D-25-RE was delivered with pylons. These resulted in a 6 to 8 mph loss in speed. They were, however, easily removed. A P-47D-23-RE, minus the wing pylons, pulled 434.6 mph at best altitude. With the pylons, speed fell to 427.3 mph.
As we are about to receive the P-47N (we don't know if it will be a -1, -5, -15 or -25 model) and this was fitted with OEM pylons as well. With the pylons, speed is as follows from the testing of two production aircraft at Eglin Field.
P-47N-1-RE: All tests flown with full internal fuel at takeoff.
Time to Climb: 10.4 minutes to 25,000 feet.
Time to Climb: 6.2 minutes to 15,000 feet.
High Speed at WEP power (2,800 hp) 364 mph @ sea level.
High Speed at MIL power (2,100 hp) 332 mph @ sea level.
High Speed at MIL power (2,100 hp): 345 mph @ 5,000 feet.
High Speed at WEP power (2,800 hp): 378 mph at 5,000 feet.
High Speed at MIL power (1,760 hp): 438 mph at 42,000 feet.
High Speed at WEP power (2,800 hp) 467 mph at 32,000 feet.
High Speed at WEP power (2,490 hp) 455 mph at 38,750 feet.
My regards,
Widewing
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Hi Widewing, where did you get your P47 D and P47 N data from? I have been after original P-47 test documentation for some time.
Neil.
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Originally posted by Neil Stirling1
Hi Widewing, where did you get your P47 D and P47 N data from? I have been after original P-47 test documentation for some time.
Neil.
All but three of the data points can be found in Warren Bodie's Republic's P-47 Thunderbolt. Other data points can be found in Dean's America's Hundred Thousand. Warren sent me a synopsis of the Eglin data for an article I wrote about 5 or 6 years ago. I do not have the original data.
Bodie obtained the original data from his pals, Republic's C. Hart Miller and Chief Test Pilot Lowery Brabham.
My regards,
Widewing
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Hi Widewing, do you think you could send me a copy of the "synopsis of the Eglin data"
I have some interesting original P38 information.
Neil.
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Originally posted by Grits
I have not tested it, but that means the P-38's should be slower after dropping ord than if they launch light, just like the 190's.
No, the pylons with their bomb shackles were standard items on the P-38s, they were not removed. Speeds should be the same whether or not you had previously carried ordnance or taken off clean. I have tested this and the AH-2 P-38s are correctly modeled. There is no additional drag resulting from previously carrying bombs.
The only exception to that should be the rocket trees as these were not part of the basic weight. However, my testing shows that the AH2 P-38L (for example) still does 344 mph on the deck with or without the rocket trees (empty). This is not correct as these certainly added drag and were not part of the basic aircraft.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Neil Stirling1
Hi Widewing, do you think you could send me a copy of the "synopsis of the Eglin data"
I have some interesting original P38 information.
Neil.
Sure, PM me your e-mail address.
My regards,
Widewing
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Please correct me if im wrong but wasn't the P-51 the best fighter from 25k to the deck? On multiple occations i hve flown the P-51 at 20-23k and it doesn't turn as well as it does on the deck. Also when you try to turn fight with it, it stalls real easy at that altitude. Maybe i don't know what im talken about bout im 80% that the P-51 was an excellent overall fighter at nearly all alts.
Egle31st
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Originally posted by EagleEyes
Please correct me if im wrong but wasn't the P-51 the best fighter from 25k to the deck? On multiple occations i hve flown the P-51 at 20-23k and it doesn't turn as well as it does on the deck. Also when you try to turn fight with it, it stalls real easy at that altitude. Maybe i don't know what im talken about bout im 80% that the P-51 was an excellent overall fighter at nearly all alts.
Egle31st
That's normal behavior above 20k, and has a similar effect on all fighters.
My regards,
Widewing
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P51D in AH2 is IMO the best non perked fighter in the game.
Large payload. (which i'll never use tho)
Excellent Range.
Good firepower.
Handles like a dream fast or slow.
And its sexy as hell.
The 2nd best non perked fighter in the game for me is the PJ.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
P51D in AH2 is IMO the best non perked fighter in the game.
Large payload. (which i'll never use tho)
Excellent Range.
Good firepower.
Handles like a dream fast or slow.
And its sexy as hell.
The 2nd best non perked fighter in the game for me is the PJ.
Pffft, you only like it cause is is easy mode. Lets see you try in a Spitfire sometime :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by EagleEyes
Please correct me if im wrong but wasn't the P-51 the best fighter from 25k to the deck? On multiple occations i hve flown the P-51 at 20-23k and it doesn't turn as well as it does on the deck. Also when you try to turn fight with it, it stalls real easy at that altitude. Maybe i don't know what im talken about bout im 80% that the P-51 was an excellent overall fighter at nearly all alts.
Egle31st
I love the P51D. I've given nearly all the planes in AH a serious chance over the years, but I always come back to the 51D. I have fought Corsairs to a stalemate, and even beaten one, once, below 15K. Above that, however, the Corsair pretty much owns the pony. So my take is you pretty much have to fly the 51D with not only your opponent's plane's abilities in mind, but also very aware of your altitude since the Pony's strengths/ weaknesses are so pronounced above/ below that "magic" plane.
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Ive had some really great fights in a 51. I think the best of all were in a 51.
Be it turn fighting or me and a wingman fighting in a place with very bad odds, its a great bird.
F4u's are tough to beat in a 51. They can be beaten though.
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IIRC the Hog I beat was Lars, a couple of years ago. He was a better stick than me, but I think he underestimated the Pony, much to his embarrassment.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
P51D in AH2 is IMO the best non perked fighter in the game.
What he said, IMO P51D is the easiest plane (non perk) in the game to kill in and live in.
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Originally posted by Furball
What he said, IMO P51D is the easiest plane (non perk) in the game to kill in and live in.
Really? For me, it's the Spitfire.
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La7
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furball before you say anything i didn't auger the ack got me.
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Originally posted by thrila
furball before you say anything i didn't auger the ack got me.
WEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeee......
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Widewing the my pm facility is disabled, I have sent an E-mail via this site.
Neil.
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furby u missed the crash of the 37mm before the weeeeeeeeeee.