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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Blixen on July 04, 2005, 03:05:33 PM
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(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/613_1120507416_zero-hit.jpg)
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OMG lol:eek: I couldn't play a game that had graphs like that:p
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Yeah, reminds me on HOW TOUGH my eyes were back then!
Chasing pixels.
My eyes bleed, I need painkillers :D
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ah, a CLand P38...much like my own....how i miss my baby.... :(
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(http://www.rom.gr/ROM7/images/i/airwar.jpg)
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Originally posted by BigR
ah, a CLand P38...much like my own....how i miss my baby.... :(
Isn't that the truth. A sky full of Cz land 38s. Ahh those were the days :)
Dan/CorkyJr
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That Niki was overmodeled!!! ;)
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Hehehe, you're a dweeb, Blixen. That's one of the later DOS AW versions, when the planes actually kinda sorta looked like planes. Now, if you'd put up a shot of the older, boxy gray things that KINDA looked like generic planes, I'd maybe respect you :D
I miss my customized F/A-26 Darth Vader cockpit:
(http://people.delphiforums.com/JTWELLER/A26FWD.GIF)
(http://people.delphiforums.com/JTWELLER/A26R.GIF)
(http://people.delphiforums.com/JTWELLER/A26DR.GIF)
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Yes it does !
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At least the guages were easy to read :D
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Excellent! Yes, that brings back memories! So would the old grayish-white boxy plane shapes Bullethead talked about.
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The film viewer for that could do stuff that AH's still can't; and if I remember correctly; HT had a had in writing it!
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The AW film viewer was more oriented toward running it while being "in the cockpit," so you could bring up maps and see the radio traffic, which you can't do in AH's full-screen mode. Also, it has quicker mouse-based manipulation of camera angles, which is very nice. The last advantage is that the AW film viewer is not full of bugs.
One nice thing about AH's film viewer is being able to run films more slowly. AW had 1x speed and paused, but nothing in between. AH film viewer has reverse, which would be very nice except that smoke trails and explosions (and ships) get all screwed up when you run reverse, so it has limited usefulness.
HiTech and Pyro were both very active Air Warrior players long ago. HiTech wrote VFilm, a gun-camera-film utility for Air Warrior.
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Actualy though they were 2d some of the cockpits were beatifully done. The mossie cockpit springs to mind.
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Originally posted by Skydancer
Actualy though they were 2d some of the cockpits were beatifully done. The mossie cockpit springs to mind.
Yeah, Headhunter made some good ones. I remember the ONLY cockpit available for the Yak was his, Kesmai for some reason not ever making one :).
The REALLY cool thing about the old AW cockpits was that you could make them whatever you wanted. I used to have one that looked like the interior of a Bentley car, which I used for the Sopwith Camel in the WW1 arena :).
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I musta been pretty drunk because I remember it being a lot more realistic and impressive back then...
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Ah, memories.
I remember being in a Hellcat at like 17k and diving down to 5k to help out a mate in trouble. Zoomed up on the Az's rear and fired him up.
Remember the bullet effects? One press = 5 round burst from TWO cannons or machine guns?
Talk about cheap, but we loved it still!
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Originally posted by SkyChimp
OMG lol:eek: I couldn't play a game that had graphs like that:p
If you were around back in the day.
Yes you could've.
And would've.
And would have loved every second of it LOL
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Yep I remember the now "cheesy" looking rectangular carriers....exactly like the one in the picture and the silly looking AAA tracers and everything else........Boy I miss those days except for the horrendous charges on my credit card and trying to explain it to mom and dad when in college and supposedly going to classes.
:aok
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O' the days of free Airwarrior... How I miss them. The latelatelatelate nights, milking from 2am-8am and then furballing in the early morning as the folks woke up, and then back to milking in the noon time...
Ex-Flaming Chickens here.
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Great times. Great memories.
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Aaah...the A-26, the B-25, the jeep... JEEP! HiTech, give us a JEEEEEEEEP!
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Someone post a pic of the factory. I miss the 2 smokestack factory :D
Bomb the spit factory
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Aaah...the A-26, the B-25, the jeep... JEEP! HiTech, give us a JEEEEEEEEP!
PERK THE JEEP! It is too Uber, too l337 for this format!!! WAAAAAAAA!
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THE BOOK OF DWEEB
Written by Jedi
In the beginning, there was Air Warrior, and it was good, And many partook thereof, and became Dweebs, and were smiteth repeatedly from on high by the Gods, and were vulcheth by other Dweebs, and were feared by the C-lander Runstangs. But after a time, the Dweebs learned to take flight from the uncapped field, and to ignoreth the false books of wisdom which sayeth "Thou shouldst fly the P-38, thou newbies," for all who have tried knoweth that the Air Warrior Godsteed named Lighting is not the province of the mere Dweeb. So the Dweebs learned the mythic Spitfire, and went round and round, and thus was born Loop Warrior, and there was much killing and rejoicing, for the Dweebs believed that now they were not Dweebish any longer, but were now Vets. But yet the voice of DoK was heard from on high...and it sayeth, "Nay, Dweebs art thou still." And thus was the Dweebfire born.
So the Dweebs toiled on, and many learneth the mysteries of the treacherous Hog, and the dreaded Wurger, and verrily did they Boometh and Zoometh, and vulcheth many Dweebs from lo their very takeoff fields, and driveth they their vaunted K/D into the heavenly realms above 1.0.
"And now," they said. "Now art we not vets? Art we Dweebs no longer?" But yet the voice of the most wretched vulched newby Dweebs rang forth from the ashes of their burning Zekes below. "Nay!" they cried. "Thou art but Dweebs with cannon!" And thus was born the Vulch-dweeb.
And then did the Air Warrior Gods become enraged, and in their endless quest for tribute and fresh multitudes of sheeplike Dweebs and harp seals to smite did they embrace the vile Windows 95. And the heavens were swept into turmoil. And yea the Air Warrior Dweebs did magically become Vets! At least in their own minds. For there were many base Dweebs to be vulched. And there was much bubble gum, and killing, and rejoicing, and crying "Mommy!" And from the ashes of the great civilization now plunged into the eternal gloom of Relaxed Realism emerged the Golden Child. And it was Warbirds. And it was good.
And yea many Air Warrior Gods, and Vets, and Dweebs were reborn in the conflagration that was version 0.99. And lo, though they cried out for respect and tribute, they learned that alas, their beloved Holy Hit Bubble had been smiteth verrily, and behold, they were all Dweebs again. And the Dweebs believeth the Holy Online Helpfile and "mastereth" they the dreaded Fork-Tailed Devil which had so beguiled them in Air Warrior, and with this flying Ark of the Covenant swept they all before them into fiery death, and driveth they their Econ Ration to untold heights.
"And NOW," proclaimeth they. "NOW art we Vets! Indeed, Demigods we may be!" But their voices were drowned out by laughter. And all the other Dweebs did proclaim, "Nay! Thou art STILL Dweebs. For as all know, the Godsteed named Lightning is but a sorceress, and it doth fly only by magic! Thou art inconsequential to its trail of death." And thus was born the 38L Dweeb.
So they hung their heads in shame, and learneth they to fly the most vile defiler of the Consecrated Air Combat ... Dora the Beguiler. And quickly did they fly, and many did they slay. And never did they turn from their paths, but kill didst they from in front at many leagues distance, and sneaketh from behind at great velocity did they, and delivereth their 20mm enemas and showereth the countryside with airplane parts. And when in their ignorance they were pounceth upon from on high by yon circling blue Hogs, runneth did they at great speed to their own fields and impaleth they their offenders on the great Spike of Otto, and then gleefully didst they turneth and feast on the entrails of now wounded and pitiful Hog-flesh.
"And NOW!" they shrieked. "FINALLY art we Vets! Scourges of the Sky are WE!" Yet again, from the smoldering blue wreckage came the icy cry, "Nay, foul ack-runner. Thou art but headon Dweebs." And thus was born the Headon Dweeb, the Dora Dweeb, and the Ack-running Dweebs. And as the pitiful Dweebs began their long quest through the Promised Land of Rolling Terrain (tm), and were blinded by the Sun Glare (tm) in search of their Holy Hurricane and the Zerstorer, did the voice of Doc rain down from on high and sweepeth them in a sandstorm of despair: "For all who play at Warbirds shalt always be Dweebish. Dweebs wert thou born. Dweebs thou art. Dweebs shalt thou be." And it was good.
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Shoot, that's fine art.
Anybody have a screen shot of the ORIGINAL (pre-DOS) Air Warrior???
It would be black & white, on a little Macintosh screen. Past a couple hundred yards, the planes became little inverted tees. 12 was the maximum frame rate.
$12/HOUR
That was 1988. Half the AH community wasn't born yet...
Mullah
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I was 12.
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Hmmm..., reminds me of playing the air combat side of the Flight Simulator (tape deck version) waaaaay back against the Commodore 64. Had to wait a long time for the game to load. I was 10 years old.
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Originally posted by RDSaustinTX
Shoot, that's fine art.
Anybody have a screen shot of the ORIGINAL (pre-DOS) Air Warrior???
It would be black & white, on a little Macintosh screen. Past a couple hundred yards, the planes became little inverted tees. 12 was the maximum frame rate.
$12/HOUR
That was 1988. Half the AH community wasn't born yet...
Mullah
The best I can do is the 1990 ST version. All the planes were still grey polys (each plane was made up of about 15, hehe).
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I came into it after AW was on AOL. Flew with the 555th while I was there... Then lost track of the game, came back when it was on Gamestorm, hooked up with the 555th AGAIN, then that went away and I finally switched to AH.
What happened to the 555th anyways?
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Something I've had saved for just such an occasion....
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BBS: BBSCAFE
Date: 05-13-95 (05:25) Number: 19617
From: WARDOG Refer#: NONE
To: ** ALL ** Recvd: NO
Subj: something I dug up Conf: (14) Sev
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Does this sound like Cland to you?? ;) I hope the author of this doesn't mind.
I think it's a classic.
COBRA 2
(click)"AhhhCobraLeaderthisisCobra2.. .CobraLeaderthisisCobra2...Do youread,
Over."(click)
(click)"AhhhRojCobra2...thisisCobraLe aderGoAhead."(click)
(click)"CobraLeader,Cobra2...Vis u WAY up ahead ther, at HI alt., safe &
sound and on ur way home. Have damage report,Over."(click)
(click)"AhhhRojCobra2...GoAheadDamage Report."(click)
(click)"RogerCobraLeader...Cobra 3 & 4 went down in flames over target, no
chutes observed, assumed kiltinakshun,Over."(click)
(click)"AhhhRojCobra2...ur condition?Over."(click)
(click)"RogerCobraLeader...thx 4 askin...Cobra2is low'n slow...
overenematerritory...outaWEP. ..outaAMMO...smokin'...5%oil...10%gas...
flapstuckdown...gearstuckup.. .when I try to gain speed she shakes violently
...when I slow any she stalls...ruddershotaway...eng inecuttingout...
AhhhcouldIgetsomehepCobraLead er???Over."(click)
(click)"AhhhRojCobra2...mustconsiders ituation...hanginthere...
thinkin'boutitOver."(click)
(click)"RogerCobraLeader...windscreen coveredwithoilnow...engineabl aze...
solesofboots...sohot,smokin'(cough,hack,kaff)...3..Ki's..onmy6!...
HEP!!."(click)
(click)"AhhhRojCobra2...unnerstan'ugottalittleprobthere...mysituationbadtoo
...only40%gas...downto70%AMMO...gottahangnailthat'sabsolutelykillin'me...
an'mostimportant...I'mlate4HappyHouratDeO.Club...butkeepmeinformedofprogress
(orlackofit)Over(click)." "(click)err...mebbe u shud BAIL???Over."(click)
(click)"DonchathinkIalredytriedtaBAIL???yadumbSonOfABi...err, SIR!...canopy
shotup...won'trelease...can'tbail...TAKIN'HITS,NOW!!!...HAIRONFIRE!!!...
mus'...get...tourniquet...on...leg...aaaaaaaarrrrrghhh...ggrrrrgggggg...unh."
(click)
(click)"So...Lemmegetthisstraight,Cobra2...wotchersayin'is...it'sOKtotake
yerbes'babe,CindyLou...totheO.Clubtonite...an'smashtheglassbottomofyerstein
...?...Over."(click)
(SILENCE)
(click)"Cobra2?...Cobra2?...helloooooooooo?...I hope u know, MISTER, that
failing to return my call is an act of INSUBORDINATION an' when I tell the CO
about this...He gonna hand u yer head on a plate !?!"(click)
(SILENCE)
(click)"Cobra2?..........................dwe eb."(click)
... That was Zen, This is Tao...
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Originally posted by RDSaustinTX
Shoot, that's fine art.
Anybody have a screen shot of the ORIGINAL (pre-DOS) Air Warrior???
It would be black & white, on a little Macintosh screen. Past a couple hundred yards, the planes became little inverted tees. 12 was the maximum frame rate.
$12/HOUR
That was 1988. Half the AH community wasn't born yet...
Mullah
Holy crap. Mullah . . . now there's another name from the ancient days.
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Yep,
I remember the Amiga 500 & AW, with the models you could load up and change the shading to have an transparent effect.... i.e. look thru the bottom & head rest by changing the color of every other pixel to transparent, the best connect I could get was 1200 baud……
Damn Some of us are getting old
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I had an 1040STFM its still under the house somewhere with a blown power pack.
Its a Pitty that I did not known about AW back then...
I suppose that it would not have worked from here in OZ
Then there is the fact that It would have been an international call ontop of all the other charges....
So I suppose its a good thing eh?
Was the community different in those days ?
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Anyone got any of Joker's ramblings saved? That guy made me buy more keyboards!!!!!!
This community wouldn't know what to do with the likes of him :)
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Originally posted by mussie
Was the community different in those days ?
Air Warrior in its early days had a much smaller group of players than does Aces High (probably about 1/10th as many). Because it was not well known and was expensive ($12/hour or something like that, going down to $6/hour in the early 90's), it drew folks who were at the more extreme end of devotion to WWII aviation and to the game community, and there weren't as many folks with only tepid interest. Also, this was new to us back then -- it was the world's first multiplayer on-line air-combat sim. Folks who had dreamed of WWII air combat their whole lives had nothing until this came out. It was a BIG deal to us.
Aces High is a much better simulation than Air Warrior was. This is only natural, as technology marches on. Aces High also has the sorts of people who played Air Warrior in the early days -- in fact, it has some of the same people who played Air Warrior in the early days. It was built by guys who were big-time Air Warrior enthusiasts in the early days. It also has a newer crop of enthusiasts, just as devoted to WWII aviation and to the gaming community. It also has a large number of people who are less enthusiastically involved whose only involvement is furballing in the main arena. That is OK -- a larger player base is good, in my opinion -- as long as there are enough folks who are really into the game. Those are the folks who make it something special, and Aces High does have them.
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Good post, Brooke. AW was my first brush with virtual reality. I'm still not sure if is a good thing...
Back then I was amazed to be chatting realtime with someone in another country.
Legends of Kesmai was my second brush with virtual reality. I think I went nuts after that :D
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(http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/7402/38city33ft.png) (http://www.imageshack.us)
:D
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It became such a nice sim, too...until EA bought it and dropped a safe on it.
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I guess being smaller it just had a kick bellybutton community.Everyone pretty much knew the people around them.It was a good time for flight sims.
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(http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/6745/drssoapbox389lr.jpg) (http://www.imageshack.us):aok
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mussie said:
I suppose that it would not have worked from here in OZ
Then there is the fact that It would have been an international call ontop of all the other charges....
IIRC, there was a separate host down in Oz. The Euros, however, played on the main US host with the rest of us. The international contingent then was probably a smaller percentage than it is today, but not by much. We had whole squads of Germans, Finns, Brits, etc.
Was the community different in those days ?
It was so different back then that it's impossible to call it the same community now. It's like the difference between the 1st miners' 1849 shantytown and today's Denver metropolis. Law, order, civilization, and political correctness have come to the internet (Hell, even the term "internet" is "new"), and the old days of the Wild Frontier, with its cast of self-reliant, pioneering rakehells, is a distant memory.
Like Brooke said, the community was MUCH smaller. This was not only because the game was expensive, but back then not many people had their own computers anyway. We didn't even call them PCs yet. And of this small population, only a few of them had even heard of going "online", and even less knew how to do it, fewer still even owned a modem, and an extremely small number of those actually had the balls to do more than send the occasional email. And the old AW community was made up of the tiny fraction of those people who were so fanatically devoted to WW2 air combat that they'd pay ungodly amounts to play AW.
It was a totally different breed of player. No kids AT ALL, because only somebody with a decent job could afford a), the computer, b) the "online service", and c) AW. And you had to be so into WW2 aviation that the primitive nature of early AW could entrance you. Most such people were reclusive, hard-drinking, intelligent geeks (ONLY geeks had computers), full of repressed resentment at being shunned by mankind all their lives, and suddenly they were able to compete in a "sport" like they'd never been able to before. So they devoted themselves to absolute mastery of ACM with the single-mindedness usual to such people, taking deaths in the game as seriously as if they were real.
Then the HATE did flow in prodigious quantities. Damn near every post and ch1 message was dripping with profanity and included what today would be called "personal attacks". But because the participants were older and well-educated, they were such witty and imaginative cut-downs that I saved a lot of them as works of art. Still, they were delivered with deadly seriousness, and responded to in kind, and then duels would be fought and honor defended, and much smack talked afterwards, leading to more "personal attacks" and duels. And nobody whined about being called names, or his mother's morals assailed, because that was just the way things were. You were either a big boy and stayed in the game or you went home to momma. You for damn sure didn't call for somebody to be banned because he insulted you.
And Kesmai was just as Hateful as the players. When somebody had a problem with the game, they wrote to the Kesmai reps the same way they did to other players, and the Kesmoids responded in kind. Kesmai played the Devil's part of creating a Hell, cruelly and arbitrarily changing things just to piss the players off, and laughing at them because Kesmai knew the players were hopeless addicts.
Because the community was small, everybody knew everybody. And because only a few dozen folks could fly in the arena at once, you always knew everybody on the other side and it was quite possible to hunt specific people all night because there wasn't room to hide. Most players spent lots of time carrying on vendettas with particularly Hated Enemas and their squads, and the biggest thrill to any player was making somebody else log off and throw his joystick against the wall in total ego meltdown. But the ultimate bliss was to publicly bully somebody over weeks or months to the point where he actually cancelled his account. Then, when he posted that up, you'd just reply with "A kill has been recorded" and everybody watching would give you a high 5.
Simply put, every single one of us was an avid griefer, before that term existed, and Kesmai enjoyed watching us grief each other to the point of insanity, and gave us nudges in that direction if they thought we weren't doing enough on our own. Then we'd all get snot-slinging drunk together at the Con like we were the best of friends, because this HATE-filled, vitriolic Hell was FUN!
Geez, how times have changed. Everything we did for entertainment back in the day is now illegal, and I still find it hard to fathom how many people have such thin skins that they can't LOVE that sort of environment. No, now we have the bad-word filter, TOS agreements, killshooter, can't have swastikas, etc. Gamers today call folks like us old farts "griefers" and universally regard us as bad for gaming communities, being totally ignorant of the fact that it was us "griefers" who CREATED the first online gaming communities.
Oh well, hopefully a new frontier will open up someday. Things have gotten way too civilized around here.
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Hey Brooke, I was Digging thru the old stuff and came across these..
(http://www.xs4all.nl/~heater1/AWUser2.jpg)
(http://www.xs4all.nl/~heater1/AWtraining.jpg)
for you young pups, they were written by the players for the players & published by KESMAI,
Anyone remember
Blue Baron,
Da SLoth,
Anvil,
Fencer,
Mongooes,
Blood&Guts,
Death Wish,
Black Cat,
Nose Art,
Just to name a few......
Damn I am getting old
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Originally posted by Heater
Anyone remember
Blue Baron,
Da SLoth,
Anvil,
Fencer,
Mongooes,
Blood&Guts,
Death Wish,
Black Cat,
Nose Art,
Just to name a few......
Damn I am getting old
And Twisted and Grey Eagle, and of course Scavenger.
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Originally posted by Tails
Aaah...the A-26, the B-25, the jeep... JEEP! HiTech, give us a JEEEEEEEEP!
A jeep with a 57mm recoiless rifle would be kind of sweet:D
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The first flight sim I ever flew was in circa 1978/1979 on one of the first Apple home computers in the state of Alaska. It wasn't untill 1996 that I flew on a computer again.
(http://apple2history.org/museum/images/fs1_enemyfield.gif)
(http://fshistory.simflight.com/fsh/images/fs1-apple-anim1.gif)
eskimo
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Originally posted by eskimo2
The first flight sim I ever flew was in circa 1978/1979 on one of the first Apple home computers in the state of Alaska. It wasn't untill 1996 that I flew on a computer again.
eskimo
LOL!!!!!! I had that on my Apple 2+ :D:D
........ and thought it was FANTASTIC!!
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First fighter sim?Aces over Europe.Aces of the Pacific.Both GREAT games for their time.
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Eskimo, that kinda looks like HT's film viewer for AW :)
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What eskimo posted was a screenie and a little video from SubLogic Flight Simulator version 1. Worth pointing out that Eskimo didn't capture that video or screenie, its been around for years... (also worthy of note, he didn't claim that he did).
Specfiically that was the little WWI area in it. Version 2 improved slightly when the ground became green and the sky was blue and the mountains became brown.
I think SubLogic owned it till version three. After that, the legendary Bruce Artwick sold it.
And many of you probably don't realize that it became Microsoft Flight Simulator. In fact, some of the under-the-hood code in MS flight sim still goes directly back to the SubLogic product.
I remember flying in that little grid world.
And the worst part is that the frame rate in the little animation was about the best the Apple ][ and the IBM XT's could pull off. It was absolutely state-of-the-art.
And regardless how many people 'Claim' to have flown it (not doubting you Eskie...) I can proudly hang my hat on the fact that I was there. I bought it in the original box for my Apple ][ around 1981 or so. And I remember when SubLogic was like HiTech and you could talk directly to them - on the phone, email was a way off yet..
They ended their involvement sometime after FS5. They made some nice scenery designers and aircraft designers.. Probably around 1994 or so.. Then they finally slipped into sim history never to be heard from again.
Don't doubt your elders children... You have it oh, so good.
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Yea...Not to many companies you can call and talk to the designer.This is kinda sim holy ground in that respect.
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I think the first flight sim I ever flew was on the Commodore 64. It was strictly instruments only and it took about 35 minutes for it to load on the tape drive.
Later, I can remember flying Sublogic's Jet (http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=571).
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First flight sim I flew was on the TimexSinclair (z80 for you Brits). Cassete tape load under 16 kilobyte program. I consisted of dials and stripes that marked the center of the runway. This was about 1980.
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Originally posted by Heater
Hey Brooke, I was Digging thru the old stuff and came across these..
Excellent! I definitely remember those!
I haven't seen any of the names in your list in over a decade other than Blue Baron, whom I corresponded with a little while back. After the demise of AW, BB isn't looking to get into on-line flying anytime soon, I think.
However, some old timers are back and flying here -- like you! I've also seen some old timers who aren't here yet, but who have been poking around and who might come back for some scenarios.
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Does the original Vossman (I think his name was Jay) still fly?
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Originally posted by eskimo2
The first flight sim I ever flew was in circa 1978/1979 on one of the first Apple home computers in the state of Alaska.
Eskimo, I very much remember the ol' subLOGIC Flight Simulator, by Bruce Artwick for the Apple ][. When I saw that, I thought it was one of the greatest things I had ever seen. Folks these days have no idea what it was like going from having nothing at all to have something (almost anything) as a flight simulator. I think back then we would have sold our souls or given internal organs for something like Aces High.
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Vossman.............Hmmmm..do a google maby of Voss.Or check this link.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=123551&perpage=50&pagenumber=1
:rolleyes:
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nah, thats a very different voss. The guy I'm talking about actually worked for Kesmai for awhile, and was a class act.
I think that guy you point to used to fly with TAS - I ran into him on cris.com way back
On a side note - I ran into Stiletto tonight and he says he is the original Stiletto. He was legend when I first started AW.
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Bullethead's post does bring back some thoughts for me. I didn't see the AW community as being full of griefers the way people use the term. There were strong rivalries and grudges, but also very strong commeraderie and a very strong community. I must admit, though, it was nice to be able to hunt people down repeatedly. You could generally tell which few airfields were likely places for people to take off from; and if you flew a lot, you would know people's preferred aircraft and flying styles (preferred alt, preferred style of engagement and moves, etc.). Thus, if someone got under your skin, or if they had been repeatedly kicking your butt and you wanted to go after them until you got some satisfaction, you had a decent chance of coming up, nosing around some, finding the likely person, and going for another fight.
I forgot how much I liked that aspect until Bullethead brought it up. In Aces High, things are so big, and there are so many aircraft around of the same type, that it doesn't seem as easy to do.
Also, as the community was smaller, people knew all knew each other, and everyone knew everyone else's reputation (such as who was good in which plane, personality types, etc.). That was fun.
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The Vossman I remember from AW old days seemed like a good guy.
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Diffrent guy then.Yea the AW community was smaller.When ya went to the Con you knew every name.Ive met alot of realy good people in AH too tho.Just more people to sift through :)
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Ya old farts! :D
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Originally posted by Kurt
I remember flying in that little grid world.
I bought it in the original box for my Apple ][ around 1981 or so.
Ahh yes, I remember opening that box and just about drooling over the manual that was enclosed, I just couldn't believe that I had in my hands an actual flight simulator for my computer, it was almost beyond imagination. I spent many hours looking at that line grid LOL.
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Originally posted by BTW
Legends of Kesmai was my second brush with virtual reality.
Man I miss that game.
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Damn, I didn't even get a mention, and I was even quoted in that damn manual
Its nice to see a buncha name I recognize this many years later. No, I aint flying...but thinking seriously of getting back into it here on AH. I just don't know if I can take being a new dweeb all over again
Shaky Stick
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I think Soulz transitioned well. I had an awful time with the transition. AH and AW are very different. Plan for the worst (a year of dieing a lot) and hope for the best. After a year and a half I'm fianally at a point of killing more than dieing. But shooting is a lot harder here. How I long for hit bubbles!
Oh and ease into it - stop by the TA and DA.
This is no bull, This game is much harder than AW. But its also more fun. jump in
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Originally posted by Shaky
Damn, I didn't even get a mention, and I was even quoted in that damn manual
Its nice to see a buncha name I recognize this many years later. No, I aint flying...but thinking seriously of getting back into it here on AH. I just don't know if I can take being a new dweeb all over again
Shaky Stick
Like you ever stopped being a dweeb...:D
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Hey, Shaky Stick! Another AW old timer sniffing around, perhaps to join the ranks of the old timers who are already here.
Don't worry about the transition. All your old skills will carry over except aiming is a lot harder without hit bubbles. You'll be rusty, of course, with so much time not flying -- that would be the same if you were going back into AW after a long time off.
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It's hard to look at the graphics now and imagine how you ever thought they impressed you so much, but that's not even the biggest difference. Lag and warps are worlds apart. What was considered good then would be considered completely unplayable now.
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No doubt. Ten years ago, we had a couple of sims for online play and it was strictly 1v1. When the 2v2 stuff came on, it was difficult, but manageable and we were overjoyed.
Then, we couldn't dream of an arena with 500+ players, voice comms, and the kind of eye candy we take for granted today.
Bah... what am I sayin'...
We want [size=9]MORE[/size].
HTC
:cool:
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Originally posted by Pyro
Lag and warps are worlds apart. What was considered good then would be considered completely unplayable now.
Lag and warps? Heck, I keep thinking about playing in halftime...and being impressed. :)
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Anyone remember Solo Flight? You delivered mail in the Rockies and stuff. Loved that game. Was my first flight sim..followed by FlightSim 5.0
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my first one was Dam busters:D my dad loved it
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LOL, yah, but I was a GOOD dweeb . Hated tyhe spit, loved the hawg and FW.
Anyone remember us using the 262's as scouts for BoGII? I think that pissed a few people off :)
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Originally posted by Shaky
Damn, I didn't even get a mention, and I was even quoted in that damn manual
Howdy Shaky.
I'm not really an "old timer" as I didnt come along in AW until the SVGA box set, the first version I played was SVGA 1.13f (or was it 1.13g?). I was quoted in the second manual they did, I think it was for ver 1.5? It was the version where we got the bigger maps, I'm pretty sure it was 1.5 or something like that. They took quotes from posts on the GEnie BBS for the manual and I got one in there talking about the F4U, which was my favorite plane. Anybody remember that manual or have a copy? I'd like to see what I said, its been so long now I forgot. :)
I still have my original SVGA Box set floppies and manual.
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Speaking of being old, I remember the days where if you wanted online you dialed up a bbs and chatted that way. Had many a fun night talking on there.
BTW, anyone have an old dos version of procomm plus?
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Yeah, actually I came around in the GEnie days a few months before they dropped the proce from $12/hr to $6/hr, I think. That was when the boxed set first came out, IIRC.
And it figures, the quote they had on me was on the dweebcat, a plane I rarely flew. I think I picked it up a bit to take out HardRock after he kept bragging how good he was in it .
So I guess the question here is, should I drop a couple of hundred to start flying here again...I need new sticks. The FLCS Pro I won at the '96 con still works fine, but there's no compatible rudder or throttle for the damn thing, and its awkward as hell for flying...too big and hard to reach the hats. I miss my FCS Pro with the super stiff springs. :(
Shaky Stick -=*TH*=-
Tail number #3278
Originally posted by Grits
Howdy Shaky.
I'm not really an "old timer" as I didnt come along in AW until the SVGA box set, the first version I played was SVGA 1.13f (or was it 1.13g?). I was quoted in the second manual they did, I think it was for ver 1.5? It was the version where we got the bigger maps, I'm pretty sure it was 1.5 or something like that. They took quotes from posts on the GEnie BBS for the manual and I got one in there talking about the F4U, which was my favorite plane. Anybody remember that manual or have a copy? I'd like to see what I said, its been so long now I forgot. :)
I still have my original SVGA Box set floppies and manual.
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Originally posted by eskimo2
The first flight sim I ever flew was in circa 1978/1979 on one of the first Apple home computers in the state of Alaska. It wasn't untill 1996 that I flew on a computer again.
(http://apple2history.org/museum/images/fs1_enemyfield.gif)
eskimo
Awesome. This was the first game I was ever obsessed with. I used to dream those purple octagonal instruments.
--Peregrine.
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I didnt come into AW till AOhell went with the free play.Alien Vrs Predator was also on of the free games they had at that time.Ive still got the Gamestorm CD rom with those games on it.Remember the egg timer?
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Ah yes, the glory days of flight sims. Glad to see so many still in touch! I started flight sims with some M-soft simulator, thinking back now it was similar to "pong" in the way of graphics. I was so impressed with AW on AOHell at $1.99 an hour, my first 3 months AOHell bills were all over $300 per month. Addictive personality? Me??? Nah....
Then off to GS I went for unlimited play at a paultry $10.00 a month. Small fish in the big pond, swam around gaining size and strength until "EA Games" purchased our home and evicted everyone. I still haven't purchased an EA game since that day, I never will either. Yes, I am also bitter and vengeful.
By then, AH had been in business about 3 years (estimate), again I am a small fish, but back then the pond was not too big, and much fun was had. I grew, and the pond grew even more. It finally became the ocean that is available today. Too poluted for me to swim in these days, but I did have my fun!
to all!
Pilot formerly known as Anton
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Hey Anton.Long time no see.Ive missed your flamboyant posts at times:rofl
Doc
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>>Shaky Stick -=*TH*=-
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uhoh- have you tried the DA yet?
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Dam Busters Man that brings back memories
I was playing that on the C64
Unlimited ammo the joy of being a noob :)
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Anybody remember Ace of Aces for the Commodore 64?
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yep but I cant remeber what it was like
Ace and Ace 2 were fun though
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Wuzup Doc?
Good to see your still flyin high;)
Not much chance I'll be posting any flamboyant posts as flamboyance requires passion, and lets face it, that ship has sailed.
I hear talk of a new ship though, I hear its supposed to arrive in "2weeks". (HA!! I kill me!)
A_Clown
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Im not flying myself right now.Waiting on TOD and Im getting ready to move out to Vegas to live with Jinxr and NsDea.They just had a kid :)....He got me to finally cave in cause the job was right and hell....a change would do me good.I'll be in for TOD when it comes out.Good to see you to bud.
Doc
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Originally posted by Shaky
So I guess the question here is, should I drop a couple of hundred to start flying here again...
Absolutely.
I need new sticks. The FLCS Pro I won at the '96 con still works fine, but there's no compatible rudder or throttle for the damn thing, and its awkward as hell for flying...too big and hard to reach the hats.
First, you could go without pedals and stay with what you've got. That's a lot better and more fun than not playing at all. You can do OK without pedals (better with them, but OK without). Second, you could buy USB pedals, and they should work with whatever else you've got -- shouldn't matter what it is as it is a separate device. Third, you don't even need hats or throttles (as long as you at least have a throttle wheel on the joystick).
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Originally posted by Shaky
LOL, yah, but I was a GOOD dweeb . Hated tyhe spit, loved the hawg and FW.
Anyone remember us using the 262's as scouts for BoGII? I think that pissed a few people off :)
You bet! The 262's made us very edgy. They were so fast that a P-51 pilot could look around, not see anything, start typing a radio report, and get shot down by a 262 before he was heads up and checking his 6 again. I was one of the P-51 pilots getting all edgy about that after it happened to some of our guys. Later in the scenario, we had the satisfaction of at least occasionally boxing some of the 262's in when we overran your fields.
I've still got gun-camera footage of Battle of Germany 2, which I plan to put onto my scenario page with other scenarios I've flown in.
A few years later, in the Target Germany scenario, I got to fly 262's. A very nice ride if you are careful.
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miss the old gamestorm days, once and awhile i check the url to see if the domain had been purchsed yet.
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Originally posted by Shaky
So I guess the question here is, should I drop a couple of hundred to start flying here again...I need new sticks. The FLCS Pro I won at the '96 con still works fine, but there's no compatible rudder or throttle for the damn thing, and its awkward as hell for flying...too big and hard to reach the hats. I miss my FCS Pro with the super stiff springs. :(
Shaky Stick -=*TH*=-
Tail number #3278 [/B]
Shakey,
You can use a USB rudder pedal setup with an FLCS (That's what I'm using right now). No problems.
I actually prefer the size of the FLCS because I don't accidentally hit the buttons at the wrong time. It's a little awkward, but with practice, it works.
Ouch out
(oh yeah, thread relevance) Started AW in 93, and got sucked almost immediately into the original "Confirmed Kill." I still think that was my favorite iteration of HT flight sims.
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http://www.classicgaming.com/amigareviews/airwarri.htm#airwarrioraj (http://www.classicgaming.com/amigareviews/airwarri.htm#airwarrioraj)
That was before my time. I started playing AW when it was free on AOHell also.
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Brooke said:
Bullethead's post does bring back some thoughts for me. I didn't see the AW community as being full of griefers the way people use the term. There were strong rivalries and grudges, but also very strong commeraderie and a very strong community. I must admit, though, it was nice to be able to hunt people down repeatedly.
Oh come on, we WERE griefers. I mean, every night we did all we could to ruin the fun of our Hated Enemas. You couldn't avoid it, even if you weren't out hunting somebody, because you knew everybody you shot down by his ID number (I still use mine here in AH), so you'd HAVE to make some snide remark to him. And then the Hate would start flowing, and pretty soon things would get ugly, which is where the fun was :D.
But besides all that, we put a lot of imagination into thinking up new ways to piss people off. Like taxiing planes across the bridges for several sectors behind nme lines, then suddenly popping up far in the rear and wreaking total havoc. Or the old Blooddragon, or dogfighting in a fully-gunned B25. Or landing a Vader just behind the only plane spawn point and hosing everybody that appeared.
And don't forget the hilarious fun we had by going into the halftime arena and totally griefing the dweebs there. The all-time favorite was to get a bunch of them together for a mission, where you'd fly the buff, and when they'd start rolling down the runway, you'd drop your bombs and .EF out before they exploded. Then you'd kill them all but be in HQ before they died, so you wouldn't go PNG, and you'd claim you'd been vulched, too. So they'd all try again, and you'd bomb-frag them all again, and it was hilarious. After a while, they'd catch on, and the HATE would REALLY flow, and they'd complain to Kesmai about you, and Kesmai would tell them to go **** themselves because Kesmai didn't care about HTdweebs, either :D.
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:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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So basically what you're saying, is that was back when it was cool to be a troll :D
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Bullethead has captured what I really miss about Air Warrior that AH does not have for various reasons. Half of the point of Air Warrior had nothing to do with air combat directly, it was just a mechanism to get your favorite victim cranked up. In AH the verbal conflicts are crude and unimaginative, very adolecent in nature, and possitively pale in comparison to what went on in AW.
Some of you might remember Toad (not the AH Toad), he always flew the P-47, and all he did was fly around at 40K, rarely even coming down to cherrypick. I dont remember what he did to draw my attention, but I clearly remember spending every hour online for about 8 weeks straight doing nothing but hunting him down. I'd fly around looking for the highest P-47 in the arena calling out "heeere Froggy, heeeeeere Froggy Froggy". I dogged him like a bloodhound after a runaway from a prison roadgang.
You could never do that in AH, although Ezeepkns is worthy of being hunted in that manner its nearly impossible because the maps are so large and the numbers in the arena are so high you could never be found if you didnt want to be. That doesnt make AH bad, its just different.
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Originally posted by Bullethead
But besides all that, we put a lot of imagination into thinking up new ways to piss people off. Like taxiing planes across the bridges for several sectors behind nme lines, then suddenly popping up far in the rear and wreaking total havoc. Or the old Blooddragon, or dogfighting in a fully-gunned B25. Or landing a Vader just behind the only plane spawn point and hosing everybody that appeared.
Or landing a B17 on an enemy carrier facing the spawn point, with a gunner (me) in the chin.... :D
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AirWarrior was the best game ever made.
I have to admit though, I played with cockpit art off:(. (grey boxes, great view)
AW4W on AOL was the only good thing about AOL, ever, period.
EDITs:
"Someone post a pic of the factory. I miss the 2 smokestack factory
Bomb the spit factory"
Lol, bombing spit factory was great...you had to destroy the 2 stacks to close it down... 100,000 or so buff points for doing that and every spit driver complained.
My first flight sim if you could call it that was some really horrible game that I can't remember the name of, you had to bomb trains and stuff. My first 'real' flight sims were Red Baron/Aces over Pac/Euro etc and of course Air Warrior.
The graphics to me at the time were pretty good, not as good as some games but no where else could you fight people in online aerial combat.
I was like 15 or 16 when AW came out and I played it hours and hours a day. It almost ruined my highschool social life lol.
Those who say they wouldn't play it... if you had an interest in any type of aerial combat you would have played it and been addicted. It was perfect for me... I loved planes/ww2 and aerial combat when I found out about it I was amazed...didn't even know it was possible to do something like that on the net...this was back when chatrooms were like revolutionary.
I flew as a bomber for like 2 months straight because I couldn't figure out how to shoot people down as a fighter. The irony is... some of my most fun memories in AW was crewing a b17 with a 3 or 4 other people and bombing the spit factory. Massive a26 raids lol great times. I say massive... it was really 6 - 10 people but at that time that WAS massive.
As Brooke said, AH is a better game due to the evolutionary fact but AW was the most fun I had in a game of any sort. The game was simple yet complex enough...the flight model was great, especially for the time.
The first thing I did in air warrior was take off in a p51 and try to stallfight... don't tell me ALL of you didn't do the exact same thing.:P
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Flossy Said
Or landing a Vader
What the hell is a Vader
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Originally posted by mussie
Flossy Said
What the hell is a Vader
A26 Invader. Think A20 on steroids.
culero
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Nope...haven't grabbed the client yet. Still thinking about it :)
Originally posted by BTW
>>Shaky Stick -=*TH*=-
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LOL I aint used kb views since the very early days, and I regard rudder as an absolute necessity to be competative :) I was one of the first to get TM's set up back in the day, couldn't do without something simalar today.
Originally posted by Brooke
Absolutely.
First, you could go without pedals and stay with what you've got. That's a lot better and more fun than not playing at all. You can do OK without pedals (better with them, but OK without). Second, you could buy USB pedals, and they should work with whatever else you've got -- shouldn't matter what it is as it is a separate device. Third, you don't even need hats or throttles (as long as you at least have a throttle wheel on the joystick).
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LOL! I remember that guy...hell, hunted him myself. Damn dweeb managed to stay JUST out of reach most of the time, then, if being chased and out of fuel, would lawndart from 30k+.
Originally posted by Grits
Some of you might remember Toad (not the AH Toad), he always flew the P-47, and all he did was fly around at 40K, rarely even coming down to cherrypick. I dont remember what he did to draw my attention, but I clearly remember spending every hour online for about 8 weeks straight doing nothing but hunting him down. I'd fly around looking for the highest P-47 in the arena calling out "heeere Froggy, heeeeeere Froggy Froggy". I dogged him like a bloodhound after a runaway from a prison roadgang.
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Anyone remember the great Turkey Ham squad raid on C:1?
Rumor had it at the time, that the supposedly invulnerable strip at the X:1 fields could be closed if you hit it hard enough. We had 20+ B-17's dropping full loads on it from 30k. Hell, this might of been back in the halftime only days, even.
Thing is, it did,'t work, and Bluebaron finally told us we'd actually overloaded the bombing table and most hits didn;t register
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I've never used a hat switch on any of my joysticks as a primary viewer.
KB is the way to go for me lol. I have pedals/throttle..etc just cannot stand hat switches. Don't get me wrong.... ill use kb then if I need to hit throttle ill use hat for a sec to keep track of the bandit but nothing more than that.
I used to actually remap my hat switches for other uses.
Regardless Track IR is the way to go these days.
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Explain...track IR?
Originally posted by AWRaid
Regardless Track IR is the way to go these days.
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http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/ (http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/)
It basically tracks the movements of your head so you can 'follow' the bandit by moving your head.
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Interesting....you use it?
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I used to use it until it got broken mysteriously one drunken night. I should get a new one but haven't been into games for a long time now.
It worked well but it was kinda weird at first. Theres a video of it being used somewhere I'll see if I can find it.
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Originally posted by AWRaid
The first thing I did in air warrior was take off in a p51 and try to stallfight... don't tell me ALL of you didn't do the exact same thing.:P
You bet! I remember the very first time I went on-line. I took off in a P-51 and tried to stallfight -- with 100% fuel, no use of flaps, and with my only air-combat move being a hard flat turn right off of takeoff. I got shot down quickly and repeatedly by Biggles, I think it was. Still, I was giddy with happiness about finding a sim that allowed multiplayer air combat.
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Lag and warps? Heck, I keep thinking about playing in halftime...and being impressed. :)
Trying to shake someone in HT was a pain in the rudder :)
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Originally posted by Pyro
It's hard to look at the graphics now and imagine how you ever thought they impressed you so much, but that's not even the biggest difference. Lag and warps are worlds apart. What was considered good then would be considered completely unplayable now.
Can you imagine what people would have thought if AH were available back then? I would have been asking whom do I have to kill or what body part do I have to give up to play this thing. The improvements are amazing. Graphics are great, and as you point out, there are many non-graphical features, some of which have an even bigger impact: low lag (such that you can actually fly formation these days), lack of warps, great flight model, good implementation of voice, many more aircraft, more-realistic gunnery, more-realistic damage models, trim . . . even little things like the ability to zoom to account for large resolution of the human eyeball Mk. I.
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Originally posted by mussie
Flossy Said
What the hell is a Vader
I didn't say that - Bullethead did. If you are going to quote, at least quote the correct message/person. :)
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Originally posted by Brooke
more-realistic damage models, trim . . .
I disagree, IRL All planes have a huge magical bubble around them allowing you to miss a bit and still hit. Everyone knows this cmon!
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Originally posted by AWRaid
I disagree, IRL All planes have a huge magical bubble around them allowing you to miss a bit and still hit. Everyone knows this cmon!
Hmm. You might have something there. I know my plane does, judging from how often I get shot. :)
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mussie said:
What the hell is a Vader?
It's real name was the A-26B Invader, but in AW we discovered it SHOULD have been called the F/A-26 Darth Vader. GAWD, that thing was the ultimate weapon of the Dark Side. In competent hands (who could keep 4.95 Gs on it indefinitely, without ever crossing 5.0 and losing the wings), it could out-stallfight everything except zekes, but it had the E-fighting edge on even them. In real life, it had 1 gunner with remote turrets above and below the tail that worked together, but in AW it had 2 separate gunners who could aim in different directions in a multi-bogey furball. It carried so much ammo (like 1.5 minutes worth) for its 8x.50s in the nose that we'd spend the whole ingress with the trigger down to lighten ship (and trying to stay out of line-astern formation :D). The ammo gauge looked like a fuel gauge and we'd usually shoot down to just an RCH above 1/4 before engaging. And the guns at both ends benefitted from the jacked-up "gunner leth" setting, and the plane itself enjoyed the "3x buff tuff" setting. In short, it was an awesome instrument of destruction. Look back on the 1st page of this thread for some old screens of how I decorated its cockpit ;). (Actually, that was done by Crash, but to my specs)
I remember in the weeks before AW4W appeared on AOL, those of the Truly Evil among us, who weren't above going on AOL openly (many were too snooty, and denied ever doing so although they usually had "dark glasses" accounts there) decided on our plan for how to enjoy the opening of the dweebgates. We decided we'd fly nothing but Vaders, with no bombs or gunners, and without dumping ammo, and vulch ourselves blind until such times as AOL's baby seals could put up a decent fight. And we made predictions about how many kills we'd land. My personal best was 28, but that wasn't anywhere near the top. IIRC, several folks got over 50 per hop.
There was never anything like it, nor will there ever be again. Tens of thousands of totally innocent, totally clueless dweebs suddenly popping up everywhere you looked, and some of the best and cruelest pilots sims have ever produced licking their chops in anticipation. I'm sure there are literally hundreds of people out there who tried AW4W for an afternoon, whose experience consisted entirely of being vulched repeatedly by some taunting sadists in Vaders, and who've never touched a joystick since :D.
And if anybody reading this survived that initiation and is still flying today, !
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Pyro said:
It's hard to look at the graphics now and imagine how you ever thought they impressed you so much, but that's not even the biggest difference. Lag and warps are worlds apart. What was considered good then would be considered completely unplayable now.
Pyro!
Man, you said a mouthful there. Due to the host-controlled hit determination, combined with the horrific connection issues, being a good shot required a type of ESP, even WITH the old 3x hit bubbles. You didn't shoot at the nme, you shot at the place you hoped the host would think the target was at by the time it received your lagged bullet packets, and you did this by subconsciously gauging both your own lag and that of the target while concentrating on your ACM. This usually meant using tons of extra lead, and you had to shoot with some deflection because there was a recurring "dead 6" bug that discounted shots from that direction. As connections improved (somewhat), the hit bubble shrank down to 1x, and finally became the same shape as the plane, but it was still a combination of luck and Zen that got you hits.
The really horrific thing was the WW1 arena. In there, with the planes so close together and changing position so fast, the host couldn't keep up with them, and it was anybody's guess. We often died from the "rear guns" of the guy we were chasing because, although it looked to us like we were on his tail, the host (and the other guy) thought it was the other way around. When I won the Turkey Hams' 2v2 WW1 thing, I compared films with my opponents and you couldn't even tell it was the same fight. But it was still a lot of fun :). My proudest moment in AW was beating BB himself in a Fokker D.VII duel at the last BopCon :D.
But even in WW2, the lag issues could drive you mad. If you were "canopy to canopy" across the turning circle, and the nme appeared to be anywhere in the rear half of your straight-up view, you had to realize he was really well around onto your tail and you were about to die unless you did something different immediately. When you checked 6, any nme seen at about 1000 yards was really within guns range from his POV, and you'd better act accordingly.
Periodically, I see somebody in here lobbying for host-controlled hit determination. Geez, they have no idea what a bad idea that is :).
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Shaky said:
Nope...haven't grabbed the client yet. Still thinking about it :)
Good to see you, Shaky! Still doing that paramedic thing?
You really should give AH a try. It's way better than AW in so many ways there's no way to ennumerate them all. The community's way different, but you'll get used to that :).
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I dug out my old Amiga 500 and took these Air Warrior screens. I may try take a 30 second movie with my digital camera of a flight for people to see. And guess what, the framerate sucked back then too. :D
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Originally posted by Lye-El
I dug out my old Amiga 500 and took these Air Warrior screens. I may try take a 30 second movie with my digital camera of a flight for people to see. And guess what, the framerate sucked back then too. :D
I played my first 3 months on an Atari ST with a frame rate of 8. A barrel roll looked like an 8 point roll. :D
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Sort of...the idiots promoted my ass, I'm a Lt. now :)
Originally posted by Bullethead
Shaky said:
Good to see you, Shaky! Still doing that paramedic thing?
You really should give AH a try. It's way better than AW in so many ways there's no way to ennumerate them all. The community's way different, but you'll get used to that :).