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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: JB73 on July 06, 2005, 08:50:08 PM
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if this is true:
http://www.ehowa.com/features/denzelvisit.shtml
that is an american!
if true a huge <<>> to him!!!!!!
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snopes (http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/denzel.asp)
Coker said Washington did in fact make a sizeable donation to Fisher House several months after his visit to BAMC. He declined to comment on the size of the donation, but it was not enough to build a new Fisher House.
[Coker also] said the fact that Washington, 49, did not write a check 'on the spot' does not diminish his contribution to the Fisher House and his support 'for the men and women who serve our country.'
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I once mowed the lawn and trimed flowers for an old lady. Felt good to make a difference even for one old lady. :D
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I wonder why he has a "I refuse to kiss a White woman" clause in his contracts.
Karaya
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Maybe because he hates white people?
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
I wonder why he has a "I refuse to kiss a White woman" clause in his contracts.
Karaya
What?
He kissed a white women in MalcomX
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and in Man on Fire...
Tronsky
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Originally posted by Silat
What?
He kissed a white women in MalcomX
Didnt he kiss angelina jolie in the bone collector?
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Originally posted by -tronski-
and in Man on Fire...
Tronsky
Not on the lips. Watch all three flicks again. I heard this from some black friends and HAVE realized this.
Karaya
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Not on the lips. Watch all three flicks again. I heard this from some black friends and HAVE realized this.
Karaya
With Jolie, how could he miss those lips :)
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maybe he is not attracted to white women? I am not attracted to black women. No big deal.
I will feel better wastching his movies now that I know he made a large contribution to such a worthy cause without making a big deal out of it.
lazs
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"maybe he is not attracted to white women?"
I thought that's why they call it "acting". I had to put it in quotes, since playing yourself in every movie isn't really acting.
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well... some guys have in their contract that they won't do homosexual kissing and so do some women..... actor or not.
It could also be that he doesn't feel that he wants to participate in the hollywood version of racial mixing. It may be an idealogical reason that is not racism.
Supposedly black women are not pleased that black men go for white women as soon as they get the least bit famous or make a lot of money. I don't really know his reasons but if that is what he want's then it is fine with me.
lazs
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First off, until someone can produce an actual contract with that clause in it as far as I am concerned it is bovine excrement. Period.
Secondly in this day of actors and entertainers dumping on the Military and those who are in it I am very pleased to see someone who is actually supportive of those who served. I have been on the bbs more than once with my opinion of actors and entertainers. In this case I think this one deserves some respect, not for what he does on screen but for actions like the one featured in the article. Meeting the troops and doing something to boost morale of those who have paid a sacrifice for their country.
Like Laz said this is one entertainer that I would not have any problem in supporting by buying a ticket for his movies.
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well.... I am pleased to support him because of his contribution and the way he did it...
I don't really care if he has the no kissing white women clause or not... If he does then I admire him for sticking to a personal principal even if I personaly have nothing against kissing white women (for the most part).
It's his choice tho and it doesn't offend me or bother me in the least.
lazs
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Supposedly black women are not pleased that black men go for white women as soon as they get the least bit famous or make a lot of money.
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even if his reason was that kissing white women disgusted him that would be fine with me.
lazs
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i heard that too karaya but i don't care. lasz not even christina milian or halle berry? denzel may be a bit racist or just not like to kiss white woman but he is a good actor.
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Not sure who the milan one is but... to answer your question...
I don't find black features attractive.. That is a personal opinion and as such I will say that the less negroid the features the more attractive the black woman becomes to me. Staight hair is much more attractive to me than kinky... I am turned off by women with really severe perms for instance.
These are chemistry things so far as sex goes and have nothing to do with how I feel about the person in a non sexual way.
lazs
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Originally posted by JB73
if this is true:
http://www.ehowa.com/features/denzelvisit.shtml
that is an american!
if true a huge <<>> to him!!!!!!
Much ado about nothing. Washington is not special.
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even snopes says that he made "a sizeable donation"
he didn't do it on MTV or gather the press... he just did it and... as snopes said... he is well known for charitable contributions.
Seems like a pretty good guy and one who stands by his beliefs... that is worth something to me and makes it easier for me to enjoy his movies.
lazs
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Originally posted by Maverick
First off, until someone can produce an actual contract with that clause in it as far as I am concerned it is bovine excrement. Period.
Secondly in this day of actors and entertainers dumping on the Military and those who are in it I am very pleased to see someone who is actually supportive of those who served. I have been on the bbs more than once with my opinion of actors and entertainers. In this case I think this one deserves some respect, not for what he does on screen but for actions like the one featured in the article. Meeting the troops and doing something to boost morale of those who have paid a sacrifice for their country.
Like Laz said this is one entertainer that I would not have any problem in supporting by buying a ticket for his movies.
Mav, watch any movie he's been in. Call it a steaming pile of watermelon if you prefer. But the bottom line is, he hasn't yet.
Karaya
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I am attracted to beautiful women. Color dont matter none to me :D
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Originally posted by Yeager
I am attracted to beautiful women. Color dont matter none to me :D
Yep. I miss the "college years" of my youth. Woohoo.
Karaya
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I never said anything about color but.... I would probly not like blue or green or bright red ones.
lazs
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:aok Denzel Washington :aok
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Originally posted by lazs2
I never said anything about color but.... I would probly not like blue or green or bright red ones.
lazs
Captain Kirk likes the green ones.
Halle Berry is a dog, I like my chicks to have longer hair then I do.
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Originally posted by Pooh21
Halle Berry is a dog, I like my chicks to have longer hair then I do.
Ahem... the hair length doesn't affect performance. ;)
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Originally posted by Sandman
Ahem... the hair length doesn't affect performance. ;)
It does if it's too short to get a good grip.;)
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Originally posted by rpm
It does if it's too short to get a good grip.;)
Try a good collar. ;)
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Like I said.. Color has nothing to do with it. Negroid features are not attractive to me on a personal level.
lazs
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negroid features?
please explain lazs..
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You are not aware that races have racial features? Oh that's right... how would you... living in ice bear country and all.
lazs
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http://www.tfd.com/negroid
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lol.. brilliant lazs :)
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Yeah... you're right. it is impossible to tell if a person is a negro or just a scandanavian with a really good tan.
lazs
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is it?
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you tell me... you go to the movies. can you tell the difference? do you note any of what might be called racial features between the blacks, asians, whites etc?
lazs
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no no.. you are the expert here, im just a silly little scandinavian living in ice bear country.
you have the floor sir :)
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even if you don't know if you are looking in the mirror every time you see a fellow scandanavian...
you must watch movies. go to a few and try some games... you can even make a drinking game of it!!
Every time you spot what you are sure is a real black person and not sven after a season in the tanning booth... have a drink... when you spot what you think may be an asian and not just one of svens children with a sqint... have a drink..
when you come to... (after you count your bruises) we will discuss it.
You may be surprised to see that you correctly picked out sven from the other races in allmost every case.
There will be reasons...with a little effort you may be able to piece it together as being racialy transmitted characteristics.
often... mixing of races will make this task somewhat harder (if you even care) but without much mixing the traits run pretty true.
lazs
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ok
thank you for all of tonights lessons lazs, but im gonna have to stumble off to bed now
you have a nice day sir :)
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thanks... you too little fella.
lazs
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Nice little exercise. Now define race.
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See Cannonball Run.
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Originally posted by SOB
See Cannonball Run.
See Gumball Rally.:p
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LOL lot of tip-toein goin on here...
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
I wonder why he has a "I refuse to kiss a White woman" clause in his contracts.
Karaya
You know what's funny a Black Man does something good and right away someone has to call it down.
I bet he has to beat the White women back with a stick. Mostly Blonde's I bet.
I mean that has to be a false statement cause hard wood has no conscience. Am I right or am I right.
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Originally posted by BBQ_Bob
You know what's funny a Black Man does something good and right away someone has to call it down.
I bet he has to beat the White women back with a stick. Mostly Blonde's I bet.
I mean that has to be a false statement cause hard wood has no conscience. Am I right or am I right.
Watch the movies. I'm not saying he isn't a great actor. Glory is a given.
Karaya
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So what are you saying Karaya? That he doesn't kiss white women?
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IMO Denzel Washington is one of the most annoying mainstream actors around.
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Who is Denzel Washington?
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http://imdb.com/name/nm0000243/
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If race can't be defined then his contract about kissing white women is meaningless.... I mean... How would he know if they were a white woman or not? Or an aisan or indian or negro for that matter?
lazs
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I just checked my license.
Under race and gender,it states,C-M.
How did the state ever figure out my race without a DNA test?
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First no one has provided any proof that there is any clause like that in his contract so any speculation about it is just that, speculation. Much like speculating on the furnishings Santa has in his living room at the North Pole.
All Karaya has posted about is experiance in watching movies where the script may or may not call for any kissing scenes. Again pure speculation unless he has a script excerpt in hand and can show what was written. What kind of chair does Santa have, a recliner or rocker?
Laz I didn't bring up the issue of "race". I just asked for it to be defined in the context of the thread. There are 2 primary people posting on this thread mentioning race specifically or the alleged "contract clause" and or the alleged bias against Washington kissing a "white woman". I am simply asking what the definition of "race" is. I'll have additional questions later depending on the answer I get, if any.
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do you have race on your drivers licenese?
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Nilsen,
Are you defining race as a drivers license?
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Originally posted by Maverick
Nilsen,
Are you defining race as a drivers license?
I mean like Sox said.. gender, race etc.
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I never could answer correctly, when the only options were
white
black
asian/pacific asian
native indian
and never included "mixed".
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Nilsen, I know what you were getting at. I was simply reminding you that the question was to define race. My drivers license, pilots license, A&P certificate do not define race. Certainly not in the context of the thread here.
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oh... my bad, i misunderstood thats all. i thought he meant that somewere on a driverslicense there was a field that said what race the license holder "belonged" to .
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You are asked your race on many forms including hiring and loan applications.
lazs
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Originally posted by moot
I never could answer correctly, when the only options were
white
black
asian/pacific asian
native indian
and never included "mixed".
I answer American.
Karaya
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Originally posted by Maverick
First no one has provided any proof that there is any clause like that in his contract so any speculation about it is just that, speculation. Much like speculating on the furnishings Santa has in his living room at the North Pole.
All Karaya has posted about is experiance in watching movies where the script may or may not call for any kissing scenes. Again pure speculation unless he has a script excerpt in hand and can show what was written. What kind of chair does Santa have, a recliner or rocker?
Laz I didn't bring up the issue of "race". I just asked for it to be defined in the context of the thread. There are 2 primary people posting on this thread mentioning race specifically or the alleged "contract clause" and or the alleged bias against Washington kissing a "white woman". I am simply asking what the definition of "race" is. I'll have additional questions later depending on the answer I get, if any.
If anybody has to "explain what Race means" to you, you are out of your league sir.
Karaya
PS - Google is your friend. I have heard this mentioned before for about the last 6 years from people fo ALL denominations.
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You know there will come a day when our race is defined as Human ! (I hope )
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Originally posted by BBQ_Bob
You know there will come a day when our race is defined as Human ! (I hope )
doubtful
heck there are distinct differences in black people in america,and blacks in africa.
they genetically do not resemble each other. IIRC i saw something about how blacks in america more resemble europeans on the genetic level now.
if in 300 years people who came from africa do not genetically resemble their direct ancestors, imagine in 3000. now add in asia, south america, india.... the only thing i actually see is there being more divisions, and distinctions than in the past.
entropy? things move from order TO disorder?
more "races" and more clutural differences to come than in the past i think.
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Well actually entropy will eventually lead to the disappearance of distinct races.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
I wonder why he has a "I refuse to kiss a White woman" clause in his contracts.
It is well known that they have cooties, and besides if you do, everyone starts singing "ANGELINA and DENZEL SITTING IN A TREE, K-I-S-S-I-N-G..." and then you have to sit by yourself in the lunch room.
I believe his contract mentions that he prefers to express his affection by chasing them around the swings with a worm at recess.
- SEAGOON
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Originally posted by BBQ_Bob
You know there will come a day when our race is defined as Human ! (I hope )
that day will come when there is space aliens to kill.
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I was wondering if anyone had the strength of their convictions to define the term "race" as it pertains to people. Apparently not. I brought it up as there were posts claiming race was a definate situation. I was hoping some would enlighten us as to exactly how there are seperate "races" and why it means anything.
FWIW I define race in regards to humans in a simple manner. There is one race of sentient people on the planet, specifically human. They just come in different shapes, sizes and skin tones with just 2 genders.
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I got a kick out of this from the snopes link:
Denzel Washington was out with friends when a homeless man asked him for money. The actor's entourage ignored the beggar, but Washington handed him a $100 bill. The man began to cry, then grabbed a passerby and choked out, "Will Smith just gave me a hundred bucks!"
LOL. It reminded me of something Barney might say on he Simpsons :)
Charon
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Black- African-American
White- Caucasian
etc....
I don't if this is a New Age progression, but saying Denzel does not kiss human females is in no way descriptive of what supposedly goes on. Denzel does not kiss WHITE females. We are all equal in stature. To say we are all the same physically is ludicrous and too-PC if you ask me.
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Rightfoot,
If you are responding to me please explain why you feel it is so.
Also if you are speaking to me don't assume I have anything to do with "PC". My opinion has nothing to do with "new age", it's based on my experiances in bigotry and prejudice not to mention that "parts" seem to be rather interchangable irregardless of skin tone and genetics are rather curiously intermingled. I simply do not see nor do I recognise any hard lines regarding differences based on appearances.
As far as I know there is only an allegation that Denzel does not kiss females of any particular color. No one has provided the alleged clause or proof that he has specified any bias of this nature. FWIW I don't recall seeing Clint Eastwood in any scenes kissing a woman of color either. Does he have a clause as well?
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Mav I was going to use pictures of known celebrities black and white to show their differences physically. But in these times, I could not find one picture in which maybe Beyonce Knowles had a clearly African-American feature. It's a simple fact that Nicole Kidman could have the same feature as well. The only difference being skin color. So, in essence you are right, it is hard to really define race, mostly due to the fact that the ""-American after most names has given everyone similar traits.
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Well he kisses Milla Jovavich in Hes Got Game a Spike Lee movie.
So end of story.....................
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Originally posted by moot
I never could answer correctly, when the only options were
white
black
asian/pacific asian
native indian
and never included "mixed".
Yeah, they need to add a checkbox for "Heinz 57", eh? :)
culero (< pinche gringo)
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Originally posted by JB73
if this is true:
http://www.ehowa.com/features/denzelvisit.shtml
that is an american!
if true a huge <<>> to him!!!!!!
I actually have some first hand knowlege of this. DOD Units, Organizations, and Agencies in the San ANtonio area have the oppertunity to help injured troops (and sick and terminally ill family members of military members) at Wilford Hall and BAMC. My Agency puts on a full dinner for one of the Fisher houses once a quarter. I recently had the privilege of organizing the dinner for my directorate. One of the Fisher House big wigs was there and she stated that Denzel did indeed make a sizable donation to Fisher House, but it was NOT enough to build another complete facility (as the orginal story was that he broke out a check on the spot). He was there of course, and he truly was respectful to those good troops. That is enough from me to earn my respect.
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Mav.. are you saying that there are not races or.. that there are no racial features common to the races? That blond africans negroes and asians is quite possible, even common, without racial mixing for instance?
lazs
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Not on the lips. Watch all three flicks again. I heard this from some black friends and HAVE realized this.
Karaya
What about "Out of Time" he kisses Eva Mendez- not exactly completly white but close :)
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Originally posted by parker00
What about "Out of Time" he kisses Eva Mendez- not exactly completly white but close :)
Is it just me or does Eva Mendez always look sweaty?
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Laz,
Until you define race how can you argue it's existance?
I thought I was fairly clear in my earlier post,. let me clarify further. I define a single race of humans on the planet as this Homo Sapiens. Variety in appearance does not deliniate any kind of "race" IMO.
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If I sign up for the Army, writing Homo Sapien under the race box sure would not fly. We've all used black and white and asian to describe different types of people. Getting rid of the names still doesn't change the way people look.
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mav... I did not define race but will agree with this one from websters.
"race2 (rs) n.1. a group of persons related by common descent or heredity. 2. Anthropol.a. a classification of modern humans, sometimes, esp. formerly, based on an arbitrary selection of physical characteristics, as skin color, facial form, or eye shape, and now frequently based on such genetic markers as blood groups. b. a human population partially isolated reproductively from other populations, whose members share a greater degree of physical and genetic similarity with one another than with other humans. 3. any people united by common history, language, cultural traits, etc.: the Dutch race. 4. the human race or family; humankind. 5. Zool. a variety; subspecies. 6. any group, class, or kind, esp. of persons. "
Physical characteristics that are passed down without racial mixing will run true such as asians that have never interbred with other races. Or... the pale people of ice bear country.
In their purest form there is indeed striking and obvious racial features of say african negroes and asians and whites and American indians. these features may get watered down by intermixing of the races but a lot of the features remain through a surprising lot of intermixing.
A truthful person would recognize that asian or negroid or white features exist as do combinations thereof.
I am not sure that I see your point in all this.
I do not like negroid features on a woman for a sexual partner. I don't see how you can not understand what I am talking about.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
mav... I did not define race but will agree with this one from websters.
". 2. Anthropol.a. a classification of modern humans, sometimes, esp. formerly, based on an arbitrary selection of physical characteristics, as skin color, facial form, or eye shape,
What I see here is simply you and others insisting that this constitutes "race". Is this correct?
This is the point I make and the part of the definition I agree with. 4. the human race or family; humankind. Both are listed in the definition, how interesting.
Please note that not once have I denied that there are no variations of human appearances. I did in fact state that the members of the human race come in a variety of colors shapes and sizes.
If you are going to base "race" merely on appearance then you must also classify every variation as a different "race", example those who suffer from dwarfism as well as those who are the other extreme and stand over 7' tall. More difference in appearance at work here.
My overal point. People use differences in appearance to determine how they will treat, react to and otherwise deal with another human being who by your own dictionary definition (clause #4) all are part of "the human race or family; humankind." This is merely an excuse to display bigotry. A sad commentary of the behavior of a member of the "human family" to justify mistreating another member.
It had nothing to do with whomever you select for a companion or sexual partner
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mav.. not sure what your point is even now. My short defenition of race is... A people who don't get around much. when that happens... you notice that all of your countrymen all have the same features.
To deny that there are racial features such as negroid or asian or white is silly... there is a large body of people who are of mixed race. I don't like negroid features is all. They are not attractive to me sexually...
Are you saying that all the black people that claim to be black are wrong? The asians? Hispanic?
I don't know what is in Washingtons contract but if he put in no kissing white women... he has his own reasons and any of them are good enough for me. You are aware that many negro women are upset that a large percent of negro men go after "white" women when the get money and/or fame?
lazs
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Laz,
One last time. I do not care nor have I posted what your sexual preferences are either in appearance or gender. You brought that up.
You made my point, again, that to you race is based on external appearances. Your own definition had that in one clause. I used an example of physical apperances to denote a group of people who are typically not considered a seperate "race" but are remarkably "different" in appearance ie; those who are a dwarf, with their singularly short stature and skeletal differences to include skull shape. By your definition this is another seperate race.
The same definition had my point that race consists of the human population. That population consists of many people who vary in appearance, skin tone and size. I do not recognize that mere appearace denotes a "race". To do so to me suggests the need to make distinctions that are totally unnecessary except to display a bigotry based on physical appearance.
I do not expect you will ever accept my position and really do not care except in how you react to or treat me or other members of my family or friends.
Feel free to continue to be obtuse if you wish as I will no longer attempt to convey to you my point again.
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Is this a precursor for an alien invasion Maverick?
Seriously I'm with Las concerning race. There's nothing wrong with race. I never understood why race was such a big deal. We all get along with education.
And that's not to say you don't have very good points Maverick, but it's the way things are. Your viewpoint is a spiritual one, not to be discounted but considered for what it is. Very experienced and wise.
Les
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Leslie,
SSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHH keep it quiet dude. Denzel is really the start of the invasion. Once he achieves adequate societal acceptance he will triger the rest of the invaders!
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The thing is Mav, it's not Lazs definition of race. You can go right now and ask any "black" man what race he is. I gurantee he's not gonna say human. Same with a white man. I agree its a bit silly to disregard something so many people have known for so long. To have this feeling, has no bearing on how one treats other people.
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That's perfectly normal Maverick. However nothing hides from the truth.
No matter how things go, there is a dignity with truth and that's all that matters.
And to Lazs too. He's the most truthful person on this board. I trust his opinion about the same as yours, except I was raised along the lines racial boundaries were observed.
Les
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maybe I am being slightly obtuse mav but I don't mean to. I would say that race today would mean a predominance of racial features that were geneticaly passed on by ancestors of that race.
To me... race is and was the genetic features that were regional. These features are diluted by mixing of various races.
I believe that I am not alone in using the word "race" instead of the one "human"
As a cop.... I believe that you would have far more use for a description that I gave of a fleeing suspect if I said "asian" or "negro" or white rather than "dark skinned" "dark haired" or light skinned say.
Most people are able to say that this or that person is "asian" or "hispanic" or white or whatever.... mixing of the races makes identification by race more difficult but does not make it impossible for the vast majority of people.
would you be more comfortable if we simply said "looked like a negro/asian/white (whatever) person?
When I say asian appearance... do you not get a picture in your mind based on racial features? be honest now.... what about negro? does that give you a mental picture? white?
Does that make you racist or simply honest?
lazs
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It's all semantics... one race, with many ethnic differences. ;)
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semantics or PC speak/newspeak?
semanitics, similar words can be interchangeable...
No such thing with "white" or "negro" or "race" and the word "human".
If you say that you don't like to have sex with women with negro features say...
That means one thing. Everyone will get your point.
If you say that you don't like to have sex with women with human features...
it means quite another... besides being bizzare and sounding like it is an illegal/immoral act.
lazs