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Title: Anyone see a trend here?
Post by: AKSWulfe on June 14, 2001, 07:40:00 AM
B17II, has a "community" that follows the game's development cycle for over a year hyping it up and believing every word that WayWard said.....

At best, it's a fun game if you like to manage your crew and shoot the 3 possible different fighters that can possibly attack you (I still have yet to see a Me262 in the campaign).

WW2Ol, the "community" hypes this one up too with the help of CRS. Well, we'll see if they get the FPS issue fixed and see if that flight model gets fixed. Otherwise, IMO, it's just a wasted game without a decent FM.

IL2, the "community" well... you can see what they are like on BlueByte's msg boards.
Getting it all good and hyped up.. there's a few from AH that will be on the beta team, maybe they can give us an objective opinion when/if they ever get the beta.
-SW
Title: Anyone see a trend here?
Post by: AKDejaVu on June 14, 2001, 07:45:00 AM
TAS, Confirmed Kill, Desert Fighters... the list goes on.

All games that had a loyal following that swore things were going to be different with these new games.

The funny thing is, the same people keep doing it over and over and over again... all the time insisting that this time it will be different.

I do believe that WWIIOnline has more potential than any I have listed... but I also believe that if you are going to have a Massive Multiplayer Game you'd better be able to have massive ammounts of people on-line.

AKDejaVu
Title: Anyone see a trend here?
Post by: AKSWulfe on June 14, 2001, 07:51:00 AM
There's no denying that WW2Ol couldn't be amazingly revolutionary and a great game to boot......


Unfortunately this thing was prematurly born when it was only 3 months into the pregnancy.

I'll let the cheerleaders and loyalists have fun with WW2Ol until it works the way it's supposed to, then I'll consider buying it... of course by that point it'll be about 300MB worth of patches.   :eek:
-SW
Title: Anyone see a trend here?
Post by: Westy MOL on June 14, 2001, 08:19:00 AM
The trend I see is that these people who follow and pledging allegiance to these "in development" games become more radical and rabid with each new project.

 The B17-II groupies were off thier rockers, the WW2O camp followers are well past that point now (read the StratFirst boards) and the IL2 legion are plain mentally unstable and rabid - read ANY of the boards but especially the pay to post board by one of the sickest of the lot.

  Westy
Title: Anyone see a trend here?
Post by: Gh0stFT on June 14, 2001, 08:25:00 AM
SWulfe same goes for the negative posters, dont you think?  ;)

AKdejavu is right, the difference between ww2o and say B17 II,
or IL2 is its not only a flightsimm, it has a broad spectrum
of different players, Tanker, driver, Infantry ect.
WWIIOnline has more potential, the future will show us what
will happen.

Regards
Gh0stFT
Title: Anyone see a trend here?
Post by: AKSWulfe on June 14, 2001, 08:30:00 AM
especially the pay to post board by one of the sickest of the lot.

Whadda hell? Are you serious??????

I'd HATE to read one of those boards..

I think these guys have seriously flipped out, kind of like the newest boy band with it's fanatical following of teenaged girls... they'll rip your damned eyeballs out of your sockets if you tell them that the boy bands all suck.
-SW
Title: Anyone see a trend here?
Post by: AKSWulfe on June 14, 2001, 08:35:00 AM
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Originally posted by Gh0stFT:
SWulfe same goes for the negative posters, dont you think?    ;)

What are you talking about? Look, if you go to the SoftwareFirst forums you can read exactly what I am explaining...


Someone states his dislike for the game and the distaste he has of CRS because they literally screwed him (false advertising) with a half baked game. Saw this with B17II as well...

Well he gets flamed to hell because of this, by the fanatical (read: idiots) following that proclaims as if it were the holy bible that this is the "ultimate WW2 simulation/game"...

Don't know why people get all defensive of half baked products, must be because they feel they got shafted in the back of the minds and they are desperately trying to make themselves feel better....    :D

I'm sorry, but I will never play a game that has potential... only if it's potential is atleast 75% complete and working at a potentially acceptable level of potentiality.

-SW

[ 06-14-2001: Message edited by: SWulfe ]
Title: Anyone see a trend here?
Post by: Wingnut_0 on June 14, 2001, 08:55:00 AM
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Originally posted by SWulfe:
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Well he gets flamed to hell because of this, by the fanatical (read: idiots) following that proclaims as if it were the holy bible
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Sounds like this board.
Title: Anyone see a trend here?
Post by: Udie on June 14, 2001, 09:47:00 AM
It was released to soon, that's a  given, and there is the framerate issue.  But you know one thing I haven't heard anybody really talk about is the fact that they have 2-7 servers, depending upon the time of day, that each have 700 to 1000 players inside playing.  What other online war sim offers that?  They will fix the bugs and frame rate issue, I have a good idea what is causing the frame rate hit, but I'm not sure if my NDA would allow me to say what I think it is, so I won't.

 I know one thing, I'm playing the game and enjoying the hell out of it.  I manage 15-45 fps and it seems for me at least that the longer I stay in the game and the more I respawn the better/faster it gets, as long as I don't switch vehicles.  That requires a reboot to reclaim resourses.  I'm going to get 256 more ram this weekend, only 80 bucks, that will bring my total up to 512.  The 2nd time I've upped my ram for ww2 online  :)  

Udie
Title: Anyone see a trend here?
Post by: AKDejaVu on June 14, 2001, 10:04:00 AM
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I haven't heard anybody really talk about is the fact that they have 2-7 servers, depending upon the time of day, that each have 700 to 1000 players inside playing.

That may be.. but I haven't been able to connect to any of them yet... and I bought the game the day it was released.

It has some serious problems.  It was released very early.  And... its free to play right now.

Quote numbers once a credit card is required.

AKDejaVu
Title: Anyone see a trend here?
Post by: AKSWulfe on June 14, 2001, 10:15:00 AM
Udie, that's fine n dandy that they've got a lot of players on some odd number of servers...

But what good is that without a decent front end?

That'd be like saying "Dude, my house has a huge living room that would kick bellybutton for parties..... oh, but the walls and cieling aren't done yet, and there is no bar"

I just think the fanatical following these games, in pre-development, development or recently released with half the code consisting of vapor is amazing.

I mean, really... when I buy a game I expect it to work, I don't expect to spend several hours reconfiguring my computer, buying MORE RAM (dude.. 392MB RAM, honestly... that game must have some of the most inefficient coding in the world) and then spending several more hours trying to trick the program into believing something that it previously would of crashed trying to access.

And you are excited about this game, WHY?

-SW
Title: Anyone see a trend here?
Post by: Gh0stFT on June 14, 2001, 12:08:00 PM
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Originally posted by SWulfe:


What are you talking about? Look, if you go to the SoftwareFirst forums you can read exactly what I am explaining...

Swulfe sorry that you dont understand it, i meant
its absolute the same, if someone write a positive
thing on the board, he gets flamed.
So for me, it is the same.
Like Udie said, this game works for me too,
i have a great time on ww2o, so i have to be flamed ? c'mon  ;)

Regards
Gh0stFT
Title: Anyone see a trend here?
Post by: Staga on June 14, 2001, 01:04:00 PM
It needs loads of cpu-power, ram and swap-file but it also gives a lot.
I haven't ever felt like "Being there" more like when I was sitting in 109, flying over French country-side following roads and rivers and searching targets to strafe  :D

Its a great game and I hope CRS can fix its bugs soon and later add more stuff in it.

 (http://www.kolumbus.fi/staga/wwiiol/low109.jpg)

Bottom line: I'm keeping it  :)
Title: Anyone see a trend here?
Post by: AKSWulfe on June 14, 2001, 01:08:00 PM
Do they have plans on fixing their flight model?
-SW
Title: Anyone see a trend here?
Post by: Yoda on June 14, 2001, 02:15:00 PM
(http://thedirtydozenklan.homestead.com/files/CRAK.gif)
rofl!  :D
Title: Anyone see a trend here?
Post by: Nifty on June 14, 2001, 02:27:00 PM
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Originally posted by SWulfe:
Do they have plans on fixing their flight model?
-SW

It's possible it's somewhere, but I think load times and code "clean-up" needs to take priority over the flight model.  Who cares how good the model is if it chews up your entire hard drive to fly over a battle.   ;)

I agree.  The "fervent" supporters need to back off of those who post negatively about the game.  I bought the game, and I play it.  That makes me a supporter.  However, I'll tell you straight up how the game is right now (read any of my posts on the subject, I try to be objective.)  If your sole purpose in the game is to fly, don't buy it unless you have a MONSTER system.  384mb of ram isn't near enough to fly.  It assaults my hard drive as soon as I get near a contested area, and I'm not the only one.  You can see planes just stop and disappear from the game world.  I've only encountered enemy planes twice while flying.  The first I saw a Stuka, shot at him, but he discoed.  I was able to keep flying and discoed on a second pass on a panzer.  The next time, I saw a 109 who didn't see me.  I got on his 6, but he discoed.  When I got to where he had disappeared, my hard drive got nailed, and I discoed.  It's obvious what the problem is.  Too much information transfer in flight.  It's a code optimization issue.  It'll never be completely overcome, I've seen it in every online game I've played.  Get enough people around you in AH, and your FPS will slow down.  I've seen Ultima Online (a 2D game, mind you) slow down to seconds PER FRAME due to 100's of avatars involved in a battle on the screen.  The difference is that the other games are assaulting your vid card and processor more than your RAM and swap space (if at all).  

So what do I do?  Run around with a rifle!   ;)  It's fun!!  But not as much as flying COULD be though.
Title: Anyone see a trend here?
Post by: Nifty on June 14, 2001, 02:35:00 PM
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Originally posted by Staga:
It needs loads of cpu-power, ram and swap-file but it also gives a lot.
I haven't ever felt like "Being there" more like when I was sitting in 109, flying over French country-side following roads and rivers and searching targets to strafe    :D

Its a great game and I hope CRS can fix its bugs soon and later add more stuff in it.

Bottom line: I'm keeping it    :)

What are your system specs?  Also, what do you have your virtual memory settings at?
(edit) what are your game settings (resolution, textures, dithering, etc)???

Athlon 900
Asus A7V
384MB PC100
Herc Prophet II 64mb (GTS, not pro or ultra)
SB Live! Platinum
C: 8gb (about 6 gb free)
D: ~16gb (about 14 free) (where I install games) basically, I got a 40gb hd with 3 partitions.  C: is 8gb to keep the lower 4kb cluster size, the other two just split the difference (and thus have a bigger cluster size of 8kb)

[ 06-14-2001: Message edited by: Nifty ]
Title: Anyone see a trend here?
Post by: Udie on June 14, 2001, 02:47:00 PM
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Originally posted by SWulfe:
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But what good is that without a decent front end?
 

 Maybe you need a faster system or need to learn how to set it up right, that sounds smart bellybutton but I don't mean it that way  :)  It runs just fine (playable) on my p3-750.  I'm getting the extra ram to stop the HD chugging so I won't go down to 15 fps and should stay up in the 30's and 40's.  80 bucks is worth it to me...


And you are excited about this game, WHY?

Because it's damned fun.  Played for 5 hours almost last night until I got discoed at about 10:30 pm.  We had a HUGE battle going on for a town that had a bridge that both sides wanted.  I was camped out in some trees waiting for the next enemy thrust when I saw a truck stop about 150 yards in front of me.  To my joy 6 people jumped out of the back and started heading my way.  I put an AP round into the truck and switched to HE ammo.  The next shot killed 1/2 the troopers when my HE round hit about 30 ft to the right of them.   They all hit the deck, but I machine gunned them all  :)

 I can understand why people are so pissed, I'm just saying it's not as broken as all the naysayers are saying.  AND if I'm right to why I think there's low FPS  everybody should be happy when they put out the 2 meg patch.  

 I better get into AH tonight or this weekend so you guys don't forget me  :)

Udie
Title: Anyone see a trend here?
Post by: AKSWulfe on June 14, 2001, 03:57:00 PM
Should re-clarify it... I'm only interested in the flying aspect.

If I wanna play the first person shooter or tank aspect, I can go find those games on the shelf and they have free multiplayer.

Flying aspect is the only part I care about, and so far, it ain't looking too bright.
-SW
Title: Anyone see a trend here?
Post by: Snoopi on June 14, 2001, 04:03:00 PM
I can't speak for other B17-2/bombs-away.net "veterans" but from the long period of time i've been at that board i've seen a couple "groups" of people on the board.


The 1st group is what I would call the fanatics. They fall fro all the hype and are in a state of denial if thing don't work out.

The 2nd group is where I fell into for B17-2.
A group of people with realistic expectations who were led to believe some things which never came to fruition.
When we found out from Wayward that B17-2 was being released without multiplayer we knew is was a "early release forced by the suit" nightmare.
We understood that B17-2 was not a true flight sim and was full of bugs.
Instead of deluding ourselves we worked together to find ways of making B17-2 playable. We petitioned Wayward and Infogrames to release more than 1 patch...To add the engine mamagement which was planned for the game.(they did)
Maybe one day, with work, B17-2 will have multiplayer and few bugs.
Falcon 4 is a good example. Through the work of F4 players it is MUCH better than it was.


The 3rd group is the fairweather fans who say it gonna be great and then turn and become the  "this software is crap..you are all lOoSeRs !!"  type of people.

4th is the skeptics who embrace the software after it proves itself.

In order of prevalence  i think they would be:

2
1
3 (they seem bigger cuz they complain and post more)
4

I think this mix is more common for any game than just the Rah RAH RAH type of fans.

[ 06-14-2001: Message edited by: Snoopi ]
Title: Anyone see a trend here?
Post by: CptTrips on June 14, 2001, 04:42:00 PM
I look forward to the time (in perhaps 3-6 months) when the came has sufficiently progressed that I can rationlly justify paying $40.00 for it.

It just ain't soup yet....

regards,
Wab
Title: Anyone see a trend here?
Post by: Udie on June 14, 2001, 06:27:00 PM
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Originally posted by SWulfe:
Should re-clarify it... I'm only interested in the flying aspect.

If I wanna play the first person shooter or tank aspect, I can go find those games on the shelf and they have free multiplayer.

Flying aspect is the only part I care about, and so far, it ain't looking too bright.
-SW


 Ok then I can understand why your angry. BUT  :) I had a good 30 min flight the other night that never dropped below 20fps.  I got my first a2a kill too  :) first one since I joined the beta.  The next flight however the HD would not stop churning and the fps stayed under 10.   But that doesn't realy bother me because I have AH for flying and I believe it will be fixed pronto.

 The ground battle rocks though  :) and that's what's got me addicted to it even with all the flaws.

udie
Title: Anyone see a trend here?
Post by: AKSWulfe on June 15, 2001, 08:15:00 AM
Well I'm not really angry (maybe a little that is requires such large updates and I only have a 56K modem), but more or less extremely dissappointed it was released in the state it is in.

I haven't bought it yet, but the reports I've read have steered me clear of buying it... atleast for 6 or so months when it's no longer an embryo.
-SW