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Title: B24 catches fire too easy
Post by: Midnight on July 08, 2005, 03:24:14 PM
I was in my P-51D, found a formation of B24s. Attacked from high 6 diving at 300+ MPH .. fired a 2-3 second burst and 2 fires started. The drone exploded before I passed under it.

I zoomed up to get in position for another pass. Came back down in near identacle attack. Again a 2-3 second burst and again fire erupted from the B24. As I pulled up to get in position again, the send B24 exploded.

----- I thought this was far too easy to kill a B24 with just .50 MGs....

----- Last night, almost the same circumstances... very similar attack.... killed 2 B24s in 2 guns passes.... too easy.

B17s rarely die that easy. LANCS rarely die that easy.

I don't know if I was extremely lucky and got a large hit % on those passes, but based on my 15% gunnery right now, I doubt I shot that good.
Title: B24 catches fire too easy
Post by: jetb123 on July 08, 2005, 03:38:16 PM
they had big fuel tanks...
Title: B24 catches fire too easy
Post by: SkyChimp on July 09, 2005, 03:14:50 AM
:D  Good for us 51 pilots

Eh id rather them catch fire fast then dumb all my ammo on them.

BTW Mid wtf does \do in a p51?
Title: B24 catches fire too easy
Post by: jetb123 on July 09, 2005, 05:51:38 AM
changess the guns to shoot 2 guns a trigger i think
Title: B24 catches fire too easy
Post by: SkyChimp on July 09, 2005, 09:12:54 AM
see says 980 and 1080 or something like that
press\ says 1080 1080.
Title: B24 catches fire too easy
Post by: Midnight on July 09, 2005, 07:11:51 PM
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Originally posted by SkyChimp
:D  Good for us 51 pilots

Eh id rather them catch fire fast then dumb all my ammo on them.

BTW Mid wtf does \do in a p51?


It displays the primary (the single pair) guns in both weapons banks. Pressing either trigger fires just that set.

I've done this a few times by mistake and end up firing only 2 guns instead of 6. You take notice pretty quick when you can't kill anything :)
Title: B24 catches fire too easy
Post by: SkyChimp on July 09, 2005, 07:31:59 PM
BTW:p  I ment dump*
Title: B24 catches fire too easy
Post by: TrueKill on July 10, 2005, 04:50:04 AM
.50cals are API. That stands for Armor Piercing Incendiary. They are made to catch stuff on fire. Imagine what something that was made to catch stuff on fire hiting a flying fueltank. kabooom or ahhhhhhh it burns it burnsss!!!!!
Title: B24 catches fire too easy
Post by: Midnight on July 11, 2005, 08:33:55 PM
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Originally posted by TrueKill
.50cals are API. That stands for Armor Piercing Incendiary. They are made to catch stuff on fire. Imagine what something that was made to catch stuff on fire hiting a flying fueltank. kabooom or ahhhhhhh it burns it burnsss!!!!!


Then .50 APIs should make a lot more planes burst into flames just as easy. The B24 was a sturdy bomber, and was not known as a flying flame thrower as far as I know.
Title: B24 catches fire too easy
Post by: jetb123 on July 12, 2005, 02:02:58 AM
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Originally posted by Midnight
Then .50 APIs should make a lot more planes burst into flames just as easy. The B24 was a sturdy bomber, and was not known as a flying flame thrower as far as I know.
And if that happens the Spitfire Mk1 should be to. Cause they had APIS to.
Title: B24 catches fire too easy
Post by: SKJohn on July 12, 2005, 10:03:05 AM
I don't think the issue here is the API.  THe original poster is saying that B-24's seem to catch fire much more easily than B-17's and Lancasters, given the same amount of hits.

I agree with him.  I've found that a short burst in the area between the fuselage and the engine on the right wing of the B-24 almost always (if my aim is on...) results in a long, streaming fire.  THis almost never happens to a B-17 or Lancaster.  

Think how often you've seen the roman candle B-24's as compared to the 17's or Lancs.  THe only other plane that I've noticed that lights up the MA that often is the Zero.

I'm not complaining about the B-24's - I'm merely agreeing with Midnight that they catch fire very easily.  I enjoy being able to conserve ammo and still kill a buff!
Title: B24 catches fire too easy
Post by: TrueKill on July 12, 2005, 05:05:54 PM
The B24 is just a flying fueltank it had bigger fueltanks then the B17 or Lanc. thus more fuel in the wings. that why most any hits in the wings cause a fuel leak and when a API or cannon hit the fuel it catches in fire.
Title: B24 catches fire too easy
Post by: AKDogg on July 12, 2005, 05:31:21 PM
Wish u could select where the fuel to be loaded on any plane in the hanger.
Title: B24 catches fire too easy
Post by: viper215 on July 13, 2005, 08:30:17 PM
the p51 had bullets the made other planes catch on fire when they hit
Title: B24 catches fire too easy
Post by: Krusty on July 16, 2005, 02:15:18 PM
Also, the drones might have been exploding as the pilot ejected from his fiery ride, into a fresh one. One possibility.

I don't so much mind that they catch on fire. I mind that if any one B24 is on fire anywhere forward of my plane's position within a 1,000 mile radius my FPS drops to 7 and stays there until the flame is gone. Heck even fighters on fire don't drop my FPS like that!
Title: B24 catches fire too easy
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on July 21, 2005, 04:21:13 AM
although i never fly them and love the easy burning of the b24.

Its not known as the flying zippo it burns way too easily compared to other bombers.

Even the zero is more fire resist.
Title: B24 catches fire too easy
Post by: Midnight on July 22, 2005, 08:03:56 AM
Last night I found a formation of LANCs... on the first pass, I am certain I landed at least 1 second of hits on the number 2 engine and wing-root. I think I saw a flap come off, but no fire.

The pilot must have been a horrible gunner, because for the next 3 or 4 minutes I kept making passes on the LANCs and kept scoring hits all over them.

Finnaly, I managed to shoot down all 3 of the formation, taking over 3/4 of my P-51Ds 1800 rounds. Not one of the LANCs burst into flames... 2 of them finally died when the entire rear fuse broke loose, and the final when the left wing came off at the root.

I wonder if this B24 problem has been addressed in this latest release. I'll have to find a B24 formation to find out.
Title: B24 catches fire too easy
Post by: Kev367th on July 22, 2005, 02:51:52 PM
API rounds -

Mk IV - 1 in 10 chance of starting fire.
Mk VI - 1 in 5 chance of starting fire.

HOWEVER -
Check out these standard loadouts for Spits as an example:

Spit 1 – 3 guns ball, 2 guns AP, 2 Guns Mk IV incendiary tracer, 1 Gun Mk VI incendiary.
Spit 1 (alt) – 4 Guns ball, 2 Guns AP, 2 Mk VI incendiary.

With 4x.303 only – 2 Guns AP, 2 Guns Mk VI incendiary.

So not all guns had API loaded.
Plus I don't beleive API are modelled.
Title: B24 catches fire too easy
Post by: Midnight on July 22, 2005, 03:01:05 PM
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Originally posted by Kev367th
So not all guns had API loaded.
Plus I don't beleive API are modelled.


So this means what in relation to the B24 catching fire and the LANC not, both shot by P-51D?
Title: B24 catches fire too easy
Post by: Kev367th on July 22, 2005, 05:03:19 PM
I've always said that B24's catch fire too easily, and it's something that should be looked at.
Title: B24 catches fire too easy
Post by: scott123 on July 23, 2005, 11:01:17 AM
The B24 in real life was known for catching on fire,and the slender wings folding,the B24 was not as tough as the B17 thats just the way it was.I'm sure thats why htc modeled it that way.;)
Title: B24 catches fire too easy
Post by: viper215 on July 23, 2005, 04:01:26 PM
p51s should set other planes on fire alittle easier then other planes can...btw i cant change the ammo setting in the p51 if i hit / it stays at 800 and 1080 or something


and even if your not in a p51 a b24 will set on fire with anay plane shooting at it
Title: B24 catches fire too easy
Post by: Overlag on July 25, 2005, 09:08:29 PM
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Originally posted by viper215
p51s should set other planes on fire alittle easier then other planes can...btw i cant change the ammo setting in the p51 if i hit / it stays at 800 and 1080 or something


and even if your not in a p51 a b24 will set on fire with anay plane shooting at it


i never understood this / thing it does nothing here as well. but then / isnt bound to anything i think......
Title: B24 catches fire too easy
Post by: LAKOTA on July 29, 2005, 07:00:22 AM
~S~ All!
Actually the B-24 was really called the Flying Coffin, because it couldnt take the battle damage like the B-17 could. It didnt take many hits to set the Fuel tanks a fire because of the way the fuel tanks were design in the B-24.