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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: weaselsan on July 11, 2005, 05:00:07 PM
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OH Canada.....!!!!!
http://www.washtimes.com/business/20050710-115332-2183r.htm
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Why shouldn't companies hire cheaper labour from abroad? They have a responsibilities to their stock holders and if Chinese worker is cheaper for the company they should be allowed to use them.
Are those oil-rigs in US soil? If yes then shouldn't your laws about minimum wages (you have those?) guarantee that those chinese workers would cost as much to the company as American workers?
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Hmmmm....hold that thought. We could insource a few million Chinese, Pakistanese and Indonesians and can everybody that made more than minimum wage. Stockholders would clean house on GM stock alone. Of course the Social Security system would be in serious trouble since foreign workers wouldn't pay SS taxes. But then again the big corp. would make out like bandits. They wouldn't either.
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outsourcing to other countries is outsourcing.
But wouldnt outsourcing to a country to use its workers in this country be considered racial discrimiination?
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
outsourcing to other countries is outsourcing.
But wouldnt outsourcing to a country to use its workers in this country be considered racial discrimiination?
I think your a little confused. Outsourceing is outsourceing, but where talking about insourceing outsourceing. Instead of importing cheap goods made by slave err. cheap labor. We insource the slave err cheap labor directly to the job site. Factory... Mc Donalds like that. We save a fortune in shipping costs.
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Originally posted by weaselsan
I think your a little confused. Outsourceing is outsourceing, but where talking about insourceing outsourceing. Instead of importing cheap goods made by slave err. cheap labor. We insource the slave err cheap labor directly to the job site. Factory... Mc Donalds like that. We save a fortune in shipping costs.
so we insource the Chineese. Kinda like Mexicans? Only they would be legal, Pay income taxes etc etc?
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Outsourcing is really neat when you do it with companies from other countries that charge far more then the local companies or the internal people that had been doing the job..
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Id rather see a bunch of my fellow Americans get off their dead rear ends and get a job. Even if its below them.
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Creating jobs for americans is only a matter of accepting the higher prices created by bigger labor expenses.
However nobody is ready to do it.
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You could also increase your minimum wages but are you willing to do it?
We have similar situation in Finland; Russians and Estonians are willing to work with lower pay than Finns but minimum wages make them as expensive as hiring a Finn except that foreigners wont have to pay income taxes in first 6 months.
So they come for 6 months, leave and come again later.
Can't blame them but the taxation laws.
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There was a big scandal here when a construction company bid for road building contracts. Then they hired a bunch of Turkish construction workers, housed them in barracks and paid them about 2 or 3 Euro an hour.
The minimum wage here is about 7.8 Euro an hour. Construction workers get about twice that. The unions found out and organized the Turks until they got the money they were owed.
Also some Filipino women were found to be working for a passenger ferry company for 2 Euros an hour, working 12 hour days with one day off a month.
Again that was stopped. This is where trade unions come in useful.
Once they start bringing in the Chinese, soon the only people working in that business will be Chinese. Goodbye good American jobs.
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"Creating jobs for americans is only a matter of accepting the higher prices created by bigger labor expenses. "
Then why hasn't my phone bill gotten any cheaper after my phone company outsourced so much of its staff to India? After all, supposedly the labor savings would be passed on to the consumer in the form of lower prices, right?
J_A_B
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Originally posted by J_A_B
Then why hasn't my phone bill gotten any cheaper after my phone company outsourced so much of its staff to India? After all, supposedly the labor savings would be passed on to the consumer in the form of lower prices, right?
You can't make such conclusions based on a single company.
The only way you would see a difference in the price, would be that all competition would be using american labor, as well as the subcontractors.
All that would drive up the prices real good.
However quite likely their hardware is made in asia, which saves alot money.
Hard to find any computers anymore, which would be mostly created in the west (aka pricey countries).
Few parts might be made in the west and assembled, but the core stuff is made in asia, probably by an american company whos main production lines are in asia (or partners/subcontractors).
Therefore outsourcing the support doesn't affect much in the long list of "outsourcing".
The natural inflation most likely just manages to keep the prices at usual levels.
Then again it is also nice to make big profits.. wohoo capitalism, screw the customers as long as they keep paying.
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Why? Do you think your phone company owes you something?
They are responsible to their stock holders and not to their customers; they excist just to make money to the owners and decisions they make are meant to increase the income; not to lower your payments.
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"wohoo capitalism, screw the customers as long as they keep paying."
That about sums it up actually. Unrestricted capitalism = rampant greed. America of all places should have learned its lesson about trusting Big Business back in the late 1800's. I'm no communist, but I see right through Laissez-faire economics, too. Oh wait, "free-trade" and the "global economy" are the buzzwords THIS time around. Big Business needs strong limits, just like the Government does.
J_A_B
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Maybe you're not a communist but more a socialist.
Nothing wrong in that :)
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There was a time when companies took care of their employees; old factory owners realized that by taking care of his workers he also built better future for himself; employees were tied to company and were able to buy products from company shops, took their children to the company's schools to be educated and quite often childrens did return to work for the company as engineers (two, maybe three generations from same family working for same company), took the sicks to the hospital runned by company, had weddings and funerals in church owned by the company and basically lived their lives tied to the company.
It was wise decision in long run thought the times have changed and competition is hard.
Kinda shame.
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I really don't see what the fuss is all about. It is capitalism in action. It would be very costly for corporations to raise the standard of living all around the world to "Western" levels. It is much simpler (and more profitable) to even it out by dragging the Western standard of living down to "Third World" levels. Probably won't quite get there in my lifetime, but I'm sure in a hundred years or so we'll get there. Just think of how great it will be to, for the .001% of people that have all the money.
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The slide against outsourcing offshore is already begginning, and its not because of local labour concerns, its security issues. We're already seeing that cheap labour can be brought easily... and that often means companies are at risk of violating privacy laws, and running afoul of the Sarbanes Oxley act.
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Originally posted by Staga
There was a time when companies took care of their employees; old factory owners realized that by taking care of his workers he also built better future for himself; employees were tied to company and were able to buy products from company shops, took their children to the company's schools to be educated and quite often childrens did return to work for the company as engineers (two, maybe three generations from same family working for same company), took the sicks to the hospital runned by company, had weddings and funerals in church owned by the company and basically lived their lives tied to the company.
It was wise decision in long run thought the times have changed and competition is hard.
Kinda shame.
I think in some industries (coal mining?) the US had practices like this, too, but it struck me more along the lines of economic slavery. The companies paid bare minimum wages but provided employees with housing, a general store, medical services, etc. At the end of the month, often the workers owed more to the company than they made in wages. It was one of the factors in unions rise to importance. I don't think many people who lived through it look back on it with fond rememberance...
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Where can I get this cheap labor? Ill create thousand pizza&cleaning companies and take over the world.
1.Outsourcing
2.xxxxxxx
3.Profit
I also have this idea of creating pizzacode shops. Fill it with highly educated indians who work code 24/7 for almost free. Shop is open all night and day and code is delivered in a cdrom inside a pizza-box. If you order atleast two codes you also get a free delivery.