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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Saurdaukar on July 11, 2005, 06:46:16 PM
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Had a revelation today: I hate cubicles.
Was able to pull a couple strings and bypass the usual channels - submitting an app to the DEA.
Anyone here that can lend some insight in terms of what Im in for aside from a year long application process?
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I can't think of a government agency that has been more destructive to America. Maybe the IRS?
You should reconsider.
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DEA needs finance people to serve as agents and go after money laundering operations - thats the angle.
Sorry if you disaprove, Funky, but I have this overwhelming desire to get shot at by Colombians.
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How has the DEA been destructive?
Saur, what position are you looking for?
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Originally posted by Martlet
How has the DEA been destructive?
Saur, what position are you looking for?
Special Agent.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Special Agent.
I worked with some in SA and Carib years ago when I was part of Bush the Elder's war on drugs. They got to partake in the fun AND got to go home to a clean bed at night. Lucky.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
I can't think of a government agency that has been more destructive to America. Maybe the IRS?
You should reconsider.
Please, do not feed the troll, k? At least I hope thats what this is. DEA agents dont set the policies they try to enforce anymore than beat cops make the laws that affect the city streets they work. If it isnt just a troll, you need good old Bocephus style attitude adjustment. Just sayn.
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What makes a special agent so special?
Must you know a special walk or something?
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Psst....
Its the secret handshake.
Gotta go.
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It's not a troll at all. The war on drugs and the DEA in particular are a huge waste of resources and erode our civil rights every day. If you're going in to government service, I wish you would pick something productive instead of destructive. If it must be destructive, go into the military or CIA where you are at least messing up other countries, not ours.
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Already did the "mess up other countries" thing.
Was fun! :D
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LOL
Well good luck either way. I too have broken out of cubicle world forevar, and will never go back, despite cut in pay.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
It's not a troll at all. The war on drugs and the DEA in particular are a huge waste of resources and erode our civil rights every day. If you're going in to government service, I wish you would pick something productive instead of destructive. If it must be destructive, go into the military or CIA where you are at least messing up other countries, not ours.
I'm sure the guys that risk their lives every day doing their jobs as DEA agents will be pleased to hear how much people appreciate them.
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Is this where we put the picture of a crying eagle with a lit joint in the background?
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Why not CIA?
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Originally posted by Martlet
How has the DEA been destructive?
RICO
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"I am a profesional. There is no one else in this room qualified to handle this gun."
[BANG]
The guy had DEA written on his shirt :cool:
just kiddin around. Go for it. Serve your country. Have some fun.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Why not CIA?
Applied two years ago for CIA... no response.
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Arent you in the real estate business?
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Yup. Good money, but hate it with a passion.
The level of stupidity surrounding me is appalling.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Applied two years ago for CIA... no response.
brother, you do not apply, they ask you, regardless of what the website might say.
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So you want to be a Special Agent?
Natasha: Boris you see Moose an Flyin Squirrel?
Boris: Natasha I think soon Moose ready.
Natasha: Boris, Flyin Squirrel is problem no?
Boris: Moose no good without Flyin Squirrel...We wait more.
Natasha: *Sigh*.... But Boris....Just grab Moose and go, we no need Flyin Squirrel...
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If your terminally ill and suffering in allot of pain or just suffering in excruciating pain the DEA workes hard to make that pain worse. They make every effort to frustrate, anger and make a bad situation worse. Lets not forget the threats they make to doctors who try to help. They have no business telling anyone what or how much medication to take. My hope is they suffer a thousand times more then they put other people through maybe then they would get it, but i dont think so. To me its freedom of choice o i forgot we are not free anymore. so you say you are trying to stop illlcit drug traffic then why is it easer to buy drugs on the street then getting it through your doctor and pharmacy? LEVE ME AND MINE ALONE WE HAVE NO NEED OF THE DEA WE WILL MAKE OUR OWN DECISION ON WHAT DRUGS TO TAKE!!!!! Remember if you find your self in need of one of the drugs in question dont do it on a friday you cant get a preauthorization on the weekend DEA closed so plan your illness or accedent in advance. good luck youll need it.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Applied two years ago for CIA... no response.
Probably got a bad reference from Mr Black.
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Originally posted by lefty2
If your terminally ill and suffering in allot of pain or just suffering in excruciating pain the DEA workes hard to make that pain worse. They make every effort to frustrate, anger and make a bad situation worse. Lets not forget the threats they make to doctors who try to help. They have no business telling anyone what or how much medication to take. My hope is they suffer a thousand times more then they put other people through maybe then they would get it, but i dont think so. To me its freedom of choice o i forgot we are not free anymore. so you say you are trying to stop illlcit drug traffic then why is it easer to buy drugs on the street then getting it through your doctor and pharmacy? LEVE ME AND MINE ALONE WE HAVE NO NEED OF THE DEA WE WILL MAKE OUR OWN DECISION ON WHAT DRUGS TO TAKE!!!!! Remember if you find your self in need of one of the drugs in question dont do it on a friday you cant get a preauthorization on the weekend DEA closed so plan your illness or accedent in advance. good luck youll need it.
Name one DEA agent who has done those things? You cant. Members of the federal govt. have, yes. Some of them set policy and/or direct DEA agents, yes. If an unpopular law is passed, the police still have to enforce it. DEA agents are cops, just like the guys in uniform, or FBI. They dont make the laws, and they dont always have to enjoy enforcing them. You misdirect your anger. I'm sure the politicians who do and think and say the things you are angry about are very glad people like you are angry at the cops, and not at them. Politicians are elected after all. Cops arent.
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
I'm sure the guys that risk their lives every day doing their jobs as DEA agents will be pleased to hear how much people appreciate them.
I've met many DEA agents in my time. A very few were decent people, but most, IMO, were worse thugs than the thugs they're supposed to be protecting us from.
Its a bad idea implemented badly. America would be much better off without it.
culero
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Originally posted by culero
I've met many DEA agents in my time. A very few were decent people, but most, IMO, were worse thugs than the thugs they're supposed to be protecting us from.
Its a bad idea implemented badly. America would be much better off without it.
culero
I'm sure there are bad DEA agents, just as there are bad cops. The old adage "power corrupts" has always held true, and some cannot resist. I agree there needs to be better oversight, but again that is a problem at the administration level.
Is it a bad idea? Probably. Or rather, it would have been a good idea if a "war on drugs" was a war we could win. We cant, thats been adequately proven I think. Personally I agree that it has failed its intended mission and should be absorbed by the CIA and FBI. That doesnt mean that I blame the agents in the field for the failures of the entire dept.
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I'm no fan of law enforcement. You always hear about a few bad apples the way I look at it you be lucky to have a few good apples. I believe most cops at whatever level are nothing better than high school bullies. when's the last time a cop ever helped you. As far as this DEA thing, if you've been sent home to hospice care with less than a few weeks to live suffering in a great deal of pain and you need some medication to relieve that pain there is no one that should be able to stop you from getting it. Let's say you were the DEA in this situation would you go by rules, regulations and laws or would you use common sense and give approval remember we were going anywhere if we were going to do something wrong they could have charged us later. Oversight you say I say get the hell out i done need you or your kind. I'll tell you what you can have the government run your life and I'll run mine. I guess I'm ranting maybe this doesn't make any sense and I hope you never have to go through this kind of thing but if you do you will know what I mean.
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Lefty, I'm just going to say this. We have a system in this country. Maybe it doesnt always work, but it's all we've got. The way you fix it is by going through the process, not by blasting the cops. When is the last time a cop helped me? Yesterday.
Cops are people too, they are no more good or bad than anyone else. Are there such people as you describe? Yes, most definitely. Other cops dont like them much either. If it makes you feel better, statistically they will probably not survive more than 5 years on the job without seriously changing their attitudes.
You ask what I would do, were I a DEA agent and was ordered to arrest someone breaking the law? I'd do my job. I'd treat you with respect, and I'd let you know I'm sorry I have to do what I have to do. But I'd do what the law says I have to do.
Hopefully soon those federal laws will change.
Just something for you to think about. Why do you think cops get the attitudes some of them have? Especially ones that deal with drug enforcement issues? Have you ever seen a crackhouse? Have you ever seen a heroin addict in need of a fix? Have you ever seen the guns that usually come out of a drug house? Have you seen what a meth lab can do to a neighborhood when somebody screws up and it explodes? Have you ever had to carry what's left of someone's kids out of the mess from one of those explosions? Have you ever looked down the barrel of a gun, knowing that the person with their finger on the trigger isn't in their right mind, watching them twitch and shake? Drug enforcement isnt about busting granny with her pot for her glaucoma. Some asinine jerkwad wants to make a point somewhere, so he tells DEA agents who would much rather be anywhere else to go do a job they dont want to do. Every job has to be treated as dangerous though, or somebody doesnt come home. Try to put yourself in someone else's shoes before you condemn out of hand.
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I guess I could go on and on in reply to your last post but I'll try to keep it short. The system in this country is thoroughly corrupt there's no doubt about that. I'm not making blanket statement saying all involved are criminal. I'm just saying that anyone involved in our system consciously or unconsciously must recognize the obvious inequity. Furthermore I believe our current leaders to be corrupt and evil to the core. If you don't belong to the ruling class there is no such thing as the system. Reformers come along once in awhile and you hear lot of talk but somehow the corruption and inequity still stands. The process is for those who can afford it and there's not many out there that can. I had a lawyer steal a $10,000 judgment from me about 10 years ago. The lawyers I found that would go after the case said it wasn't worth it would have cost me so much more than the original judgment. Go to the bar you say with all his friends in judgment not a chance. He did it, he knew it, he thought it was funny and he knew he was gonna get away with it.
I'm not blasting all cops there are a few, a very few good cops out there. Most of the time you hear the line there are a few bad apples that spoil the bunch, as far as cops go I think it's the other way around there are only a few good Apple's. I'm sure you've heard the term blue wall of silence. Out here where I live in the suburbs theres not a whole lot that goes on I think there just board and take to this practice of nitpicking. Whenever something does happen there never around to stop it anyway.
You say cops are people to well not like any of the people i know. I lived next door to a cop for more than 10 years. they're like a gang they hang around looking to stir up trouble. Whenever I went next door to say hello and he would be out there with some of his friends I was definitely made to feel like an outsider. That's how they are its that mentality of us and them. They all think they're superior and the rest of the public are just a bunch of idiots. Just on a side note let me mention something about the cop who used to live next-door. Many in the neighborhood often wondered aloud how local cop, making 40 or $50,000 a year could afford to live in a $400,000 home drive 2 bran new suv's have a brand new Harley-Davidson estimated to be worth about a year's of his salary not to mention alimony to the second wife and child support payments. One has to wonder where did he get all that money he certainly didn't get it from his parents.
So you're willing to follow the law blindly no need for thought, just follow the law. Recently I read a story about a flock of sheep one of them decided to jump over a cliff more than 450 sheep followed before local herdsman could stop them. Are you a sheep? If there was a law that said your mother regardless of age had to do 90 hours of community service a week or she would be sent to jail for 10 years would you arrest her? I am wondering, how tight would the handcuffs be on your own mother? Remember no need for thought its the law just do as it says. An absurd example I'm sure, however where is the line? There are many more of these absurd examples it's the cop on the street that decides whether or how much you pay. I served on a petty grand jury awhile back and the majority of the cases that came before us were almost as absurd, time after time they would arrest people for a half a gram of this or 1 gram of that it was just stupid, what was the point. Just running allot of poor people into jail were I'm sure their life would improve. Not to mention the fact that some of these people may have actually been innocent or if they had the money, they probably would not have gone to jail.
Well let's see where are we now attitude, well I don't want to get any attitude remember they're working for me, the public I shouldn't have to take any attitude. I would say that they get that attitude from the gang that they hang around with. As far as I'm concerned we should do away with the majority of the DEA there's no need for it. do you have any idea how under educated the majority of the next generation is? there's a vast number of students that are not even graduating from high school. The money that the DEA spends would be much better spent in an educational initiative. although I'm sure that that corrupt bunch of cronies would put that money to waste to.
Now you go into crack houses, heroin attics, meth labs, dead children so on and so forth I think I get the picture. I guess the DEA has done just a great job at getting rid of all that. To answer questions yes I have seen a crack house and crack addicts. Yes I have seen a heroin addict I have known one personally. As far as guns go I have a rule whenever I see someone with a gun it's time to leave. I have not seen a meth lab blowup. I have not seen any dead children who have been blown up in a meth lab as a matter of fact on that subject I can't remember when the last time was that I heard about a meth lab blowing up. None of this is new it's all been around for a long time in various forms they had opium dens long before they had crack houses. These are social problems not legal problems what has law enforcement done to improve any of these problems the answer not one thing. Industrialized Western nations of those that are on equal footing to us we lead them all with the highest prison population per-capita congratulations. If you can't educate them throw them in jail.
I'm going to throw in this little story about looking down the barrel of gun your so-called crazy man with an itchy trigger finger. One day I was driving when I passed a car that car decided to follow me all the way home and proceeded to block me in my driveway. The man got out of the car and said I had passed him going too fast I said if you'd like it call cop. I then told him in the meantime he should leave my property at which point he decided he was going to try to enter my home. I went to get my trusty baseball bat at which point he pulled his gun and pointed at me and then informed me that he was a cop from three towns over. I told him I didn't care that if he had a problem he should call the local's, well this went on for a while and then he finally left. one of my neighbors had called local police to make along story short he was suspended from his job for two weeks. just a wonderful guy out doing his duty. And you say these drug dealers with guns are dangerous the only time in my life I have ever been threatened with a gun was by a cop an off duty crazy stupid arrogant and you can fill in the blanks. here's a comforting thought for all I know this nutbag is still on the job.
well now we've come around full circle you say it's not about taking grannies pot for glaucoma, I guess this brings us back to what started all this.
I'll try to make it simple so you can understand my mother had come home from hospital with less than two weeks to live. She needed to have a particular drug, approval was need for this drug did they offer any help in getting this drug no. So yes we broke the law we found a doctor a family friend who was willing to do the right thing regardless of what the law said. I said it before and I'll say it again I have no need for the DEA or much of government for that matter you can let them run your life and ill run mine.
so much for keeping this short I'm not going to bother to edit it either. I guess it just looks like a confusing rant. I just dont understand why people cant think for themselves. what is it about this sheep mentality got to follow the rules god forbid you should brake the law. THINK USE COMMON SENSE kindness, compassion, patience insted of a knite stick and mace.
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I'm guessing your some kind of law enforcement official you talk as if you're one of the gang so now that you know, arrest me there is nothing like drumming up a little more public support for your cause.
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I dont want to make this an argument. You've obviously had some bad experiences, and you are welcome to your opinion. Believe it or not, you are still entitled to one. As far as the deal with your mother, awful situation. I'm sorry you've had that experience. I dont know the details of it so I cant comment either way on the behavior of the officials involved. Definitely more respect should have been tendered, but there is still a job to be done.
I do want to comment on one thing though. I dont see how you feel that for a police officer to do his job, even when popular opinion is against him, is pulling a sheep impersonation. If anything, its a matter of character that a man will do his job even if it isnt popular.
I have no problem with you or anyone else thinking for themselves. If anything, I hold the rights of the individual to be the building blocks of our country. And no I'm not in law enforcement. I dont want to be put in those positions. But once a law has been passed, regardless of how inane you might think it is or how corrupt you think the legislators are, all of us are duty bound to follow the law and do our best to have it changed if it's wrong. Laws are supposed to be the compromises we make as reasonable individuals in order to get along in a society. If we dont agree with them, we change them, we dont throw them out or disregard them. If that doesnt make sense to you, I dont know what to tell you.
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I had a lawyer steal a $10,000 judgment from me about 10 years ago. The lawyers I found that would go after the case said it wasn't worth it would have cost me so much more than the original judgment. Go to the bar you say with all his friends in judgment not a chance. He did it, he knew it, he thought it was funny and he knew he was gonna get away with it.
Well.... you could have killed him. This is America Man.... you always get ONE chance to right a wrong.... gun control my fanny. :D
Woof
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
I'm sure there are bad DEA agents, just as there are bad cops.
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Don't take me wrong, I'm not anti-cop, rather the reverse. I've had many friends that were cops, I interact with and have a good relationship with the locals here, and my experience is that by far most people wearing badges are good folks.
But my experience with folks from DEA is that they are the exception, more of 'em are ***holes than good guys.
I chalk it up to the nature of the environment they work in and the relative autonomy and lack of oversight they receive (what with so much of what they do being undercover). IMO this tends to breed people with cowboy attitudes and a "the hell with the rules let's make busts however we have to" methodology. They view Constitutional Rights as something to laugh at rather than respect.
Sorry, we gotta agree to disagree about this group. The only good thing that I can say is that there are some good people at DEA. I just don't think they are a majority.
Think back to history, the Alcohol Prohibition. It was so tough to enforce that the cops who focused on it often worked largely outside the law in order to try to enforce it. Its the same thing here. The War On Drugs is the root problem, there must be a better way along similar lines to what we do with alcohol.
culero
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Never said I disagree with that. I think most of our drug laws are misguided at best. We have far more problems with the drug called "alcohol", despite all the supposed restrictions on its availability. But our control of its access is still better by far than any drug considered illegal. People are starting to realize it too.