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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: GtoRA2 on July 12, 2005, 07:33:28 PM
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So I was looking at the Sig web page, checking out the product line, and or looking to see if I could order some parts online. (can't gota call their customer service line)
I noticed that have lots of guns with rails.
I hate rails, Its a fad that should go away. I can not see ever needing the rail, why would you want to install a flashlight or other crap on your handgun?
Night sites would be better.
they have a 1911 type piston and sig is a fantastic company so I would be tempted but it has that stupid rail. Deal braker for me.
You guys think this is a fad that will go away?
Some other fads or maybe fads.
the .45 super
.45 gap (stupid stupid stupid, looks like this one is already dead) ((it looks like GLock did rop the Glock 37, or they dont list it on their web page. So it does look dead, just like I thought it would))
the 10mm (sadly)
the .357 sig (maybe)
.40 SW(should be the fad, the 10mm was a better round)
laser sites
Mounting everything from a front handle to a sling shot and 3 flashlights on your AR-15 you only shoot at the range.
Etc.
What am I missing?
I know I am missing some.
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I have one gun that has a rail, but I have no intentions of mounting anything on it. They do have a very important place, though.
Lights are good for home defense. Pitch black, you're awoken by a sound in your house or bedroom, you grab your pistol but you can't see a thing.
Lasers are another good rail attachment for home defense. An attacker can cover 21 feet in less than 2 seconds. Pace off 21 feet anywhere in your house. The average time a person can cover that distance is less 1.5 seconds. In that time you have to draw your weapon, take a stance, aim, and fire. Try it sometime. A laser removes the stance and aim portions. Now you draw and shoot.
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The rail is OK with me on the P226.
(http://www.sigarms.com/apps/cmt/img/p226r-dak-large.jpg)
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Oh I know they have their place, though I would rather have good night sites then a flashlight. The flashlight lets anyone around know were you are.
The laser won't help with bad trigger controll either.
but yeah you make good points on those.
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Yeah but are you going to mount anything on it?
Why no hammer on that 226? Oh wait no decocker either? Is it Double action only? Avoid Grun.
Double action only is just a bad idea, even worse on a gun you want to use to target shoot.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Yeah but are you going to mount anything on it?
Why no hammer on that 226?
DAK trigger, a new double action only trigger SIG came up with with only a 6.5lbs pull.
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(http://www.sigarms.com/apps/cmt/img/p226-rail-large.jpg)
This one would be better, that way you can shoot single action and have a nice crisp trigger.
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(http://www.geoffrey-allen.com/picture/smith.jpg)
My S&W has rails, but they only make one type of light that fits on them.
Worthless.
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I will try em all before I buy, have no worries about that. :)
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6.5 is better then their standard 12 pound double action trigger, but I would want to shoot one before I buy.
Also are the available in Cali?
Did Sig have them tested in the BS cali safety tests?
They were VERY slow to test any of their line, it was like 3 or 4 months after the law went into effect before you could buy any of their guns.
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Yep DAK is legal in cali, according to the DOJ website list of handguns.
I'm pretty curious about the DAK trigger, From what I read its more like the Glock action with a consitent light pull but better than the Glock design because you can restrike misfired rounds.
Good article:
http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun_reviews/sig070606/index.html
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MA law requires a 10 pound trigger pull.
I don't know what my Sig is, but my S&W is incredibly hard.
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(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/180_1121216401_nyte-sytes.jpg)
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LOL :)
Speaking of homeboys, GTORA2 that sunnyvale shootout today happened a 100 yards from my house. Heck I can just about see the place from where I'm sitting now.
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My sig is 12 Double 4.5 single or so the manaul says.
I could bring a 1911 with a custom 3 pound trigger if you want. I will have to run out and buy a locking case for it though. Plus, Its sites might be off now, I was inspecting it, and the rear site has a dent, lol, I think it may have gotten beat up in one of my moves. I keep it in a little locked foot locker.
My dad built it, and then had the trigger done by some fairly well known local gun smith, sven something, he died years ago.
The back site is an ajustable one from a smith and wesson revolver, I think I can replace the part that has the ding.
It's is NOT the kinda gun you want to shoot if you are rusty though, the trigger is light enough you can fire off two rounds without much of a thought.
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Nah, just bring the 220.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
LOL :)
Speaking of homeboys, GTORA2 that sunnyvale shootout today happened a 100 yards from my house. Heck I can just about see the place from where I'm sitting now.
Hmm I must have missed it on the news lol. Wacky.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Oh I know they have their place, though I would rather have good night sites then a flashlight. The flashlight lets anyone around know were you are.
The laser won't help with bad trigger controll either.
but yeah you make good points on those.
Have you ever been lit up by a bright light in a dark room? The effect is far closer to blinding than not. Disorienting the other guy buys you time to get the upper hand.
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and if you just shine the light at a hatrack you suddenly become the most visible person in the room.
I think the rail stuff is gonna be one embarassing fad that we will all laugh at (like we laugh at ATF agents).
.460 rowlands is a fad right now... might be cool tho... .50 beowulf for ar15..
3 lbs is not that bad on a colt. My Kimber is maybe a pound more.. pretty easy to shoot.
lazs
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Most all lights have flash ability with a hold on or on/off option. The idea of the hold on is to quickly light up a dark place and be off before someone else can clearly identify the origin. Basically a quick bump of the beam. If you know where they are a full on beam will blind them for a bit. It's an instrument that has a purpose but as you say most tools have risks as well as rewards.
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(http://www.azccw.com/images/usp1.gif)
A thing of beauty. I love shooting this.
Karaya
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Both the Berreta 92 and the Smith and wesson model 29 were big fads at one time too.
Not that they are bad firearms, but Dirty harry had every joker in town wanting to own lol.
And then the US Army replaced the good old 1911A1 with the berretta 92, so every had to have one. They were a big fad in HW movies too lol.
The only thing that nocked the 1911 out of the gun magazine limelite was the wonder9 craze of the early 80s too.. Then came the large cap magazine ban... and back came the .45 and 1911, not that they were ever not popular.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Both the Berreta 92 and the Smith and wesson model 29 were big fads at one time too.
Not that they are bad firearms, but Dirty harry had every joker in town wanting to own lol.
And then the US Army replaced the good old 1911A1 with the berretta 92, so every had to have one. They were a big fad in HW movies too lol.
The only thing that nocked the 1911 out of the gun magazine limelite was the wonder9 craze of the early 80s too.. Then came the large cap magazine ban... and back came the .45 and 1911, not that they were ever not popular.
One reason I ran with Para was the 14 rd magazine capacity of the .45.
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I was looking into a Para .45 with the 14 round mags, but I heard many mixed reviews. Some people raved how good they were, others raved how horid, and then I waited to long and you could not get the 14 rounders for them any more.
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how could anyone not love the crimson trace?...especailly mounted to short/snubbed nose 357s .38s.
you dotn aim those guns you point..there close range..seeing a red dot is excellent
althought..I see crimson traces are usally embedded in the hand grips..badddddasss..thats deffnlty somthn i will be mounting on my ruger sp101
http://www.crimsontrace.com/
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Green
Not all fads are bad, but lasers were a fad for a bit.
The reason I never got a laser, well ok two.
One was the one I wanted replaced the recoil spring guide rod in my sig and it was 500 bucks. No way I am dropping that kinda cash.
I would be emberased to shoot on a range with one. Like a neon sign saying, I am a lame fan boy with 12 foot wing on my honda.
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I've used the Lasermax sights, too (http://www.lasermax-inc.com/products/lms-2201.php) and preferred them.
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Mart
How long have you had yours? Theirs seemed the slickest of them.
ever had it brake?
How do you ajust it?
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Mart
How long have you had yours? Theirs seemed the slickest of them.
ever had it brake?
How do you ajust it?
I don't own them, a friend traded pistols with me for a few months before he decided if he wanted to buy one. The Sig he gave me in return had them.
I liked them just fine, and if I were going to guy laser sights those would probably be what I got.
My buddy loves them, and bought a second set for his new pistol.
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Crimson Trace laser grips are good stuff. I have a set that I've switched between a 1911 pistol, airsoft gun, & paintball gun. Stood up to some hefty abuse including going for a swim.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
(http://www.azccw.com/images/usp1.gif)
A thing of beauty. I love shooting this.
Karaya
Agreed :)
Shot other makes and they just dont come close. Nothing wrong with the others its just a personal preference thing. H&K is the way to go in my book.
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I've used lasermax in my para for a while and like it better than other options. Basically you have the laser option without the bulky drawbacks. Essentially it's not easy to notice until you flick it on.
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I've shot glocks with flashlight mounts on them. Can be usefull. Especially for home-defense. There is a certain conveinence to not having to look for your gun and your flashlight at the same time. Plus it leaves you with one less thing to carry around while looking for whatever made that noise.
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Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
Most all lights have flash ability with a hold on or on/off option. The idea of the hold on is to quickly light up a dark place and be off before someone else can clearly identify the origin.
Try that theory out. Turn off the light in a room and wait about 10 minutes. Now do a quick flash of the beam. :) Might as well just hold a flashbulb in front of your own face. It is you who gets the effect.
Now get you a nerf ball or a rolled up pair of socks or something like that. Put your wife or a friend, etc in a totaly dark room. Tell them to pick a spot at random so you will not know the location. Enter the room and have them do a quick flash of the beam. See how much problem you have nailing them with the ball or socks. Absolutely none. :)
If the intruder that is in a totaly dark spot is armed and you flash a flashlight beam , etc onand off you have just painted yourself as a target.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Try that theory out. Turn off the light in a room and wait about 10 minutes. Now do a quick flash of the beam. :) Might as well just hold a flashbulb in front of your own face. It is you who gets the effect.
Now get you a nerf ball or a rolled up pair of socks or something like that. Put your wife or a friend, etc in a totaly dark room. Tell them to pick a spot at random so you will not know the location. Enter the room and have them do a quick flash of the beam. See how much problem you have nailing them with the ball or socks. Absolutely none. :)
If the intruder that is in a totaly dark spot is armed and you flash a flashlight beam , etc onand off you have just painted yourself as a target.
Yep
Karaya
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Yea, lights are easy to shoot at... except for my brother's light :)
It has a huge gel cell battery and a 14 inch reflector. It'll cook a hot dog 5 inches from the bulb if you remove the front lense, and it's visually overwhelming anywhere inside about 50 ft. The US military and some police forces did some research recently on the effects of extremely bright lights, and although I'm not normally a conspiracy theorist, the company reports stopped shortly after the military bought into the research program. Supposedly a bright enough light will temporarily overwhelm almost anyone's senses for a period of time long enough to be useful in a law enforcement situation. I dunno how bright the light has to be, but when the light is bright enough to be painful through closed eyelids, that's a good start :)
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Originally posted by eagl
Yea, lights are easy to shoot at... except for my brother's light :)
It has a huge gel cell battery and a 14 inch reflector. It'll cook a hot dog 5 inches from the bulb if you remove the front lense, and it's visually overwhelming anywhere inside about 50 ft. The US military and some police forces did some research recently on the effects of extremely bright lights, and although I'm not normally a conspiracy theorist, the company reports stopped shortly after the military bought into the research program. Supposedly a bright enough light will temporarily overwhelm almost anyone's senses for a period of time long enough to be useful in a law enforcement situation. I dunno how bright the light has to be, but when the light is bright enough to be painful through closed eyelids, that's a good start :)
Were do we get one?
Will it fit on a handgun rail:cool:
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have a set that I've switched between a 1911 pistol, airsoft gun, & paintball gun.
Paintball gun? did you get laughed off the field?
:rofl
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Originally posted by Steve
Paintball gun? did you get laughed off the field?
:rofl
Well, some of us wanted to see if it could be fitted with an IR laser. 26 hour games make you do some stupid stuff for an extra edge, including owning nightvision that gets use maybe twice a year. Then I ended up putting them on for a week when I broke my wood grips & it was all I had handy. Eventually replaced it with some dye sticky grips... pretty happy with those.
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The best laser sights I have seen for the J frame smith are too bulky compared to the round butt wood grips from eagle that I have instaled... they also drag on the pocket and present a danger of making the gun impossible to draw.
On the nightstand... my Kimber 45 has tritiuum sights that are very easy to get on to a dark shape.
If I was part of some military elite group or police entry team I would probly opt for laser sights.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
The best laser sights I have seen for the J frame smith are too bulky compared to the round butt wood grips from eagle that I have instaled... they also drag on the pocket and present a danger of making the gun impossible to draw.
On the nightstand... my Kimber 45 has tritiuum sights that are very easy to get on to a dark shape.
If I was part of some military elite group or police entry team I would probly opt for laser sights.
lazs
I agree, only for elite groups and SWAT.
Personally, if people need lasers to aim with a handgun they are out of their league, IMHO.
Karaya
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
I agree, only for elite groups and SWAT.
Personally, if people need lasers to aim with a handgun they are out of their league, IMHO.
Karaya
It isn't "need", really. Like I said earlier, the average person can move 21 feet from a dead stop in 1.5 seconds. That's how much time you have to draw, take a stance, aim, and fire before the attacker is on you.
Laser sights just cut your need to take a stance and bring he gun up for an iron sight aim from the equation. It's cut your response time in half. More for most people.
While I don't use them, they make perfect sense for home defense.
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In a team kinda thing... the laser grips would be the most useful in making shure you weren't putting a team member in the line of fire.
out in the open.... at various ranges in the daylight.... I shot with a guy who swore by his laser sights..we would have a "target" (rock or can or piece of wood) called out and both go for it. I seemed to be able to get on target easier than he did.
lazs
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i can get on target considerably quicker with laser sights if I don't go to stance. If you go to stance with lasers, I fail to see the benefit.
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seemed to me that he was distracted by the light waving around... at short ranges I am a decent point shooter tho so that may have not been fair.
I think it is worthwhile for everyone to learn some pointshooting skills.
lazs
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As for fads, anyone mention:
.38 Super?
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ya know... the 38 super never got any respect in recent years... most semi rimmed cartdges don't... worse... Colt tried to headspace em on the rim.
In the old days before the .357 the 38 super was one mean round in a pistol... an autoloader at that.
Apparently... a good barrel that headspaces on the case mouth will give a 38 super some real tack driving accuracy.
lazs