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Title: Tracers?
Post by: Xargos on July 12, 2005, 10:51:26 PM
On or off?
Title: Tracers?
Post by: BTW on July 12, 2005, 10:52:19 PM
off
Title: Tracers?
Post by: Pooface on July 12, 2005, 10:55:00 PM
depends, i like them on. tracers off are only useful if ure 400 behind some guy who hasnt seen you. otherwise, you need trcaers to see where you bullets are going. id advise to have them on
Title: Tracers?
Post by: BTW on July 12, 2005, 11:03:49 PM
Here's a tip - go offline and turn off tracers and turn plane ammo lethality up to a hundred. Go shoot the drones from all types of angles and you will begin to visualize the bullet stream without tracers. Gradually turn down the lethality to normal, and you'll be WildThing in 3 weeks. I guarantee it :D

Seriously - its a good exercise to learn to visualize the bullet stream without tracers.
Title: Tracers?
Post by: Nightshift82 on July 12, 2005, 11:09:57 PM
tracers for filming, no tracers for fighting
Title: Tracers?
Post by: Vudak on July 12, 2005, 11:41:22 PM
Turn them off for a few months and you won't want them back on.  I find tracers do two bad things to me:

1.  Clutter up my screen (it's already hard enough to see the enemy against certain terrain/lighting)

2.  Warn the enemy that I'm behind them if I blow my shot, and warn them where I'm shooting if I'm pulling the trigger a bit too soon on a deflection shot.  Neither one is good.
Title: Tracers?
Post by: MOIL on July 12, 2005, 11:50:12 PM
I coulda swore all ww2 A/C used tracer rounds of some sort.

I could be mistaken:confused:
Title: Tracers?
Post by: zorstorer on July 12, 2005, 11:55:36 PM
Off and I could care less if an enemy notices me D400 off their 6.  I seem to hit moving targets (ie the tops of planes) better than the dead 6 shots.  Also you won't try to "walk" your tracers to the target.  You will start out shooting at the point you visualize the bullet stream hitting the target.  Took a little while to get used to it, but I won't go back to tracers on now.

I am sure they did Moil but this is just a AH question (I hope) ;)
Title: Tracers?
Post by: Dead Man Flying on July 13, 2005, 12:06:01 AM
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Originally posted by Pooface
depends, i like them on. tracers off are only useful if ure 400 behind some guy who hasnt seen you. otherwise, you need trcaers to see where you bullets are going. id advise to have them on


I disagree.  You should never use tracers to see where your bullets go.  You should already know where they are going to go, or you should at least have a rough estimate of where they are going to go based on where you aimed.

In other words, the key to better aim is to begin using the gunsight rather than the tracers to hit your target.  It's a gun, not a hose.

-- Todd/Leviathn
Title: Tracers?
Post by: Kurt on July 13, 2005, 12:20:13 AM
Well, my default answer is ON... I really hate not seeing you.

But I've read this thread and I may try it... see if I can do well without them.  Might be worth it if I can make it pay.
Title: Tracers?
Post by: Wolfala on July 13, 2005, 12:35:23 AM
When I turned them off - my accuracy actually improved and I was finally able to disable the turrents on Osty's. COuldn't before with all the crap cluttering up the screen.

Wolf
Title: Tracers?
Post by: RTSigma on July 13, 2005, 12:43:36 AM
Off, you get a better feel for your guns and rather than letting the bullets gauge your aiming, its your senses.

I can visualize the tracers myself and they're just miniature Ryan Stiles doing his John Wayne impression...hundreds of them.
Title: Tracers?
Post by: Schatzi on July 13, 2005, 01:59:03 AM
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Originally posted by Pooface
depends, i like them on. tracers off are only useful if ure 400 behind some guy who hasnt seen you. otherwise, you need trcaers to see where you bullets are going. id advise to have them on


Quote
Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
I disagree.  You should never use tracers to see where your bullets go.  You should already know where they are going to go, or you should at least have a rough estimate of where they are going to go based on where you aimed.

In other words, the key to better aim is to begin using the gunsight rather than the tracers to hit your target.  It's a gun, not a hose.

-- Todd/Leviathn



Yes. And no. On both accounts IMHO. True that those tracers clutter your screen half the time, without really helping. (BTW i got them turned off in HurrMk1... way too many of them). And true that you should know where the bullets go before pulling trigger.



But... ive missed tracers on two accounts:

First, when you carefully pull into a gun solution, select the lead and all that. Then you shoot, and miss completly. Sometimes its difficult do decide if the shot missed because of too little or too much lead. (For me strangely its too much most times)

The second is when i come off D600-800 of an enemys six. Sometimes the tracers can 'scare' him into moving/turning instead of doing the save thing and keep going straight.
Title: Tracers?
Post by: Schutt on July 13, 2005, 02:35:18 AM
Tracers off really helps on gvs. Hitting them with tracers off is much easier.

Other than that i tend to say alternating it for a while is not bad at all, with tracers off i sometimes dont know why i missed, with on i tend to fire to long bursts.
Title: Tracers?
Post by: BigR on July 13, 2005, 04:25:47 AM
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Originally posted by MOIL
I coulda swore all ww2 A/C used tracer rounds of some sort.

I could be mistaken:confused:


Im pretty sure some pilots opted not to load their planes with tracers. At least ive heard that on more than one occasion.
Title: Tracers?
Post by: jetb123 on July 13, 2005, 04:48:16 AM
Tracers off I dont spray as much, and I aim to kill,
Title: Tracers....
Post by: Patches1 on July 13, 2005, 04:49:56 AM
Tracers...on, or off? Some say on, some say off....some say off because it will improve your hit percentage in time because you will begin to see the sight picture better and draw enough lead...others say on because it helps you to see where you are shooting and allows you to correct your aim.

One of my Squaddies said to me once, " it doesn't matter if tracers are on, or off. If you have set up the shot and outflown your opponent and got in close...he won't know the difference if your tracers were on, or off. "

Using this standard, my gunnery went from about 2% to 5% in a few short weeks and today generally hovers around 8-9% average. I learned that it is not whether tracers are on, or off, but rather, how you set up the shot.
Title: Re: Tracers....
Post by: Schatzi on July 13, 2005, 04:59:26 AM
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Originally posted by Patches1
Tracers...on, or off? Some say on, some say off....some say off because it will improve your hit percentage in time because you will begin to see the sight picture better and draw enough lead...others say on because it helps you to see where you are shooting and allows you to correct your aim.

One of my Squaddies said to me once, " it doesn't matter if tracers are on, or off. If you have set up the shot and outflown your opponent and got in close...he won't know the difference if your tracers were on, or off. "

Using this standard, my gunnery went from about 2% to 5% in a few short weeks and today generally hovers around 8-9% average. I learned that it is not whether tracers are on, or off, but rather, how you set up the shot.



Very well said.
Title: Tracers?
Post by: DamnedRen on July 13, 2005, 07:28:19 AM
Tracers are pretty.
Title: Tracers?
Post by: SKJohn on July 13, 2005, 09:47:35 AM
I like them for use in the anti-aircraft gv's like the Osti.  W/O them, I' have no idea of where I'm hitting.

I wish there was a way to select them for use in the Osti for example, but be able to leave them off for aircraft.  It's a pain to have to remember to turn them on before I jump in a flak gun or osti.  THen I usually forget to turn them off when I ge t back in a plane.