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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Yeager2 on July 13, 2005, 02:50:51 AM
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/11/AR2005071101489.html
I once dated a girl who was all into cats ( had about 8 of them..)
I thought THAT was too freaking much,... but this is unbelievable,.. pretty screwed up.
:rolleyes: :eek:
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I love cats! I've even touched one of Lazs's cats. :D
I'm hoping to get a cat or two of my own soon. But here, the Cats' Protection League has rules about who can have a cat. In fact I've already had a telephone questionnaire from them - questions about the type of house where I live, how much traffic is around, whether there are children. If I get a cat from the CPL, it will have been neutered/spayed. Ideally I want a male cat. The next step is a home visit - they come to check to see that I'm a suitable owner. As I've had cats before, there will be no problem.
If getting a cat privately, the steps would be a visit to the vet for checkup, and immunisation against feline enteritis (http://www.agvax.com/rural_resources/diseases/feline_enteritis.htm), and for the boosters to be given each year.
That's the responsible way to own a cat, or rather to be owned by a cat, as no-one owns a cat! My ex-wife was a cat expert, and reminded me that my cat was not my cat, but that I was his human!
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Beet, you having a laugh?
Sod the CPL. If they tell ya you can't have one give em a two fingered salute and look in your local press instead. Or try the local pound.
Sure, ok, the CPL can supply cats / kittens already spayed and innoculated but so what, you can afford a few quid to get your cat spayed.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/209_1081438631_swoop.gif)
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Swoop - yes, I have either option available. The CPL offers cats that have been fostered, and will have had all the usual jabs etc. Getting cats privately is OK too - that's what I did last time, and there were no problems.
The CPL home visit will be nothing more than a formality, designed to avoid situations like the one described by Yeager!
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Woof Woof
No Cats in my yard!:lol
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they register cats in england?? will they be banned soon?
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At first I thought Beet1e was joking.
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Speaking of registering pets.. The county I live just passed a law there will be a fee of $500.00 for certain breeds of dogs the city finds aggressive.
I sure don't hope they find my mothers Lab/Pit (Pound Rescused) He's liable to lick you to death... :D
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I have a friend that has a nice l`il putty tat.
A couple of butcher shops saves their meat scraps to enhance his diet.
He`s a pretty friendly fellow, but sometimes his "purrs" can be a little ground shaking. :)
He has his own house on a concrete slab with AC and the whole smear.
He weighs somewhere in the neighborhood of 120-130.
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Have two cats for 8 years now.. left over from when my daughter lived here. they are pretty much no trouble at all... big tower of dried food the munch at and tower of water they drink.. they are not particularly friendly as beet points out (one did let him pet her)
If they want attention they will come around otherwise... they keep to themselves.. They bother friends less than friends would even like.
I like their attitude.
lazs
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Well like guns...drugs..pets also get abused by stupid people. We always vent our anger at the lawmakers, when we really should be harvesting the stupid to make cat food. They are the ones who gave the lawmakers an idea.
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Originally posted by lazs2
If they want attention they will come around otherwise... they keep to themselves.. They bother friends less than friends would even like.
I like their attitude.
Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never dealt with a cat. When my friends try to 'pet' them or pick them up, they usually carefully and just fast enuff to let you know they are totally alert.. get the hell outta range. Push the point, you get impaled.
They have little use for us 'bald monkies', operate outside our foodchain and rarely kick in for rent. I often wonder why they let me stay here. Somebody told me that they were once revered as gods.. and they remember it.
"If man could be crossed with the cat, it would improve man but deteriorate the cat." - Mark Twain
The only guy that ever found a practical use for a cat was Einstein..
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - A. Einstein
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sad thing is theres getting to be a lot of stories of people getting busted for having 50 cats+ in houses
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For people who love cats but don't have the room to keep 'em, or want to enjoy them at work, there's always this product (http://www.bonsaikitten.com).
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I recently got two rescued kittens from an old lady. They're for my daughters. Never had cats before. One, I like. ... she's a hunter, very curious, looks abyssian. The other one is different, it meows all the time and constantly trips me up and touches me with his tail all the time, which drives me nuts.
I originally tried to adopt kittens from the Humane Society but they rejected me as an adopter because I answered a questionnaire wrong:
Will your cat be kept indoors? Yes.
Will your cat be given necessary shots? Yes.
Will your cat recieve regular vetinary care? Yes.
Will your cat be declawed? Yes. (WRONG ANSWER)
I thought that was was you did when you get a cat. They rejected me for that. I said, "Hey wait a minute, I didn't know it was wrong. Now I know. I won't declaw it. Let me re-apply. " They refused - "Once you are rejected you cannot re-appy."
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LOL Chairboy.. but, be advised; Karma being what it is, how you treat a housecat in this life will doubtless impact the breed of mouse you show up as in the next.
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Originally posted by Gunthr
I thought that was was you did when you get a cat. They rejected me for that. I said, "Hey wait a minute, I didn't know it was wrong. Now I know. I won't declaw it. Let me re-apply. " They refused - "Once you are rejected you cannot re-appy."
Well, declawing is considered by most to be cruelty, and most of the people who would declaw a cat are the type that have such little regard for the animal that they would gladly lie on their re-application, then proceed to declaw the animal anyhow.
Once you have the animal, there's little in terms of followup or enforcement that they can do, and the shelters are run by people who love animals. They don't have the time or resources to call or visit every household that adopts to see how the pets are doing, they have to make the judgement then and there and hope it's the right one. When you said 'yes', you marked yourself as a potential risk to animals in their minds, and they're within their rights to deny your application.
You may be the statistical minority that just 'didn't realize' that it was bad and won't do it now that you've found out, but if you want to adopt a cat, just go somewhere else. It's not as if there's a shortage of cats.
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Originally posted by Gunthr
I recently got two rescued kittens from an old lady. They're for my daughters. Never had cats before. One, I like. ... she's a hunter, very curious, looks abyssian. The other one is different, it meows all the time and constantly trips me up and touches me with his tail all the time, which drives me nuts.
I originally tried to adopt kittens from the Humane Society but they rejected me as an adopter because I answered a questionnaire wrong:
Will your cat be kept indoors? Yes.
Will your cat be given necessary shots? Yes.
Will your cat recieve regular vetinary care? Yes.
Will your cat be declawed? Yes. (WRONG ANSWER)
I thought that was was you did when you get a cat. They rejected me for that. I said, "Hey wait a minute, I didn't know it was wrong. Now I know. I won't declaw it. Let me re-apply. " They refused - "Once you are rejected you cannot re-appy."
Gun, most cat folks regard de-clawing as cruel. It's no doubt extremely unpleasant for the cat. As long as you train 'em young with a squirt gun not to claw furniture and provide a big scratching post, leaving the critter with it's tool kit intact is a better way to go.
Watching how they use those tools can be an eyeopener too.. every cat I've ever been owned by has been exceedingly polite about deployment; they keep 'em sheathed when I pick 'em up or when they climb over me on the way to something they are interested in.
On the other hand, if they don't like somebody, they hesitate not an instant with the fillet knifes when handled 'without approval'. Seems they are better judges of character than I am... nobody ever got slashed that didn't deserve it.
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Watching how they use those tools can be an eyeopener too.. every cat I've ever been owned by has been exceedingly polite about deployment; they keep 'em sheathed when I pick 'em up or when they climb over me on the way to something they are interested in.
I noticed that right away... both of mine seem to know that they can injure you with the claws and they are careful and considerate. One of them bites me all the time, the clingy, vocal one. But its never hard enough to hurt.
I wanted to get a Savannah breed cat, but couldn't affort the 3-5 thousand $ for one. :rolleyes:
http://www.savannahcat.com/
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yeah, declawing a cat makes it walk on it's "kunckles" the rest of it's life.
my old cat was awsome, she would "play fight" with you and wrestle around like a dog, but never brought the claws out.. every now and then the play bite, but never hard....
a few times she would accidently nip you, and if you said "OW" she would stop what she is doing, hold on to you, and lick your hand as to heal it. it was the cutest thing in the world.
i would LOVE to have a cat, but my landloard only allows cats with proof of de-clawing.
i miss having a kitty cat
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Yep.. there's a whiney lil vocal pain in the bellybutton here too. I trained it to stay out from underfoot by stepping on it. Only had to do it once. ;) Best training tool is a little palm sized squirt gun. If it's annoying you just pick it up.. wallah.. cat vanishes. Don't even need the squirt gun anymore.. I just point at it and hiss.. cat vanishes.
If you haven't gotten 'em fixed yet DO IT NOW. Costs more when they mature.. and after I got the winey lil pain in the bellybutton fixed she became a bit more sedentary and less demanding.
I tried this with my wife some years back.. couldn't fit her in the transporter. I feel certain that it woulda worked and the vet was willing if I got her in there. I understand that in some states, it could be illeagal. You'll have to check local ordanances.
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Gun, most cat folks regard de-clawing as cruel. It's no doubt extremely unpleasant for the cat. As long as you train 'em young with a squirt gun not to claw furniture and provide a big scratching post
If you've ever owned a cat you'd know that they will always scratch the furniture, no matter how you think you have them trained.
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They don't after various objects get flung at them.
-SW
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
If you've ever owned a cat you'd know that they will always scratch the furniture, no matter how you think you have them trained.
...and kids will occasionally get busted for shoplifting or neglect to do their homework.
The key to cats, as with children, is being vigilant, creating a good base for decision making through training, and accepting the trade off of an occasional 'whoopsie' for the non-tangible benefits of having the kid/cat.
We used to have two cats, and after training them, we rarely had to worry about furniture. Giving them a good claw post really helped, not to mention keeping an ear open.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
If you've ever owned a cat you'd know that they will always scratch the furniture, no matter how you think you have them trained.
my cat never scratched a single piece of furniture in the house.
you must have a STABLE scratching post, preferablly 2, that are taller than the cat is long at full stretch. that's the key. if they wobble the cat wont like using them, and if the cat can not stretch out fully they don't like it either. back at home we have a beam in the basement wrapped in carpet. the cat follows you if you head that way then runs up the pole to the top to "pounce" on you, and play.
the other post is in the living room, it is about 5 feet tall, one of those things with the perch on the top. heck i can barly make it tip.
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Have had cats in the house for 40 years. No furniture damage. They CAN be trained.. even older cats can be trained. You just have to know how to get the message across. First few times, a squirt gun does it. It's the equivelent of scolding a child. If it contines to be a problem, cat punting is an option... the equivelent of the well deserved beating you never got as a kid.
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Blimey this Board is full of cat lovers!
Being a Dog person I don't get cats at all. Me And my dog see em as vermin that kill birds and basicaly use humans for a bit of food and a warm sleeping place. No loyalty no connection no point. Unless you have a mouse problem.
(Actualy this explains a lot!)
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Would 50 cats be considered a herd of cats ?
My two dogs firmly believe the only use for cats is for making big piles of fur in the yard when the spit gets scared out of em.
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Cats are smarter than dogs. You'll never see 8 cats dragging a sled thru the snow.
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Smarter maybe better pets? no
They are just like any other critter that uses human habitation as its easier than going it alone.
BlueJ my dog would definately agree with your two.
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It's all relative Skyprancer. Some folks like bikes, others cars.
I don't dislike dogs... would still have one if I could fit it into my lifestyle. Cats are not troublesome pets, dogs require significantly more involement from their owners than cats.
I prefer women to dogs as pets.. they are almost as smart, fetch nearly as well and tend to not shed quite as much.
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Most smell better too! :lol :lol
Indeed you are right but its fun arguing the toss too;)
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If my wife could kiss her own ass, I'd still be married.
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Originally posted by Yeager2
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/11/AR2005071101489.html
I once dated a girl who was all into cats ( had about 8 of them..)
I thought THAT was too freaking much,... but this is unbelievable,.. pretty screwed up.
:rolleyes: :eek:
Ouch. Cat hoarding is bad but what about goat hoarding? From this weeks News of the Weird:
Goat-hoarding continues as an occasional obsession, with a woman in Saarburg, Germany, evicted in June for sharing her home with 43 goats, and a man in Aiken, S.C., charged with animal cruelty in May for cohabiting for seven years with 200 goats in a house whose walls were gnawed away and which contained 3-foot-high hay stacks saturated with manure and urine. [Reuters, 6-7-05] [Augusta Chronicle, 5-20-05]
http://www.newsoftheweird.com/archive/index.html
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what is it with these women and cats?
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misery loves company.
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I never understood dog people unless they are hunters or sheperds.. or... just very lonely, socialy inept people.
If I wanted a wet tounge in my crotch all the time I would let my girfriend move in..
If I wanted whining and adoring looks... same thing... If I wanted broken stuff and something to babysit for 20 years.... I would have another kid.
If I wanted to clean up crap and have to arrange for a babysitter every time I went somewhere... same thing... have another kid.
If I wanted my house to stink like a dog I would by some kind of spray product.
They can't be left alone... they are too stupid to leave a weeks worth of food and water with and then go on vacation.... they annoy every person who comes over and the owner mistakes peoples politeness as being the same fawning love for dogs as they themselves have.
lazs
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Chemical Imbalance.
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"Do you know anything about Psycology? Psyciatry? I do. I've studied it quite a bit. Even before I became a Scientologist. There's no such thing as a chemical imbalance." - Tom Cruise
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Hey Lazs - are you up to that challenge?
I will post that pic of me holding an affectionate female calico cat, but you then have to post a picture of you holding one of your cats to your face. :) I'll check back here in about 10 hours to see if you're up for it. :aok
toodle-pip :aok
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http://www.bonsaikitten.com/g4.html
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Lazs are you realy the cantankerous old git you come across as? You're the kind of guy who'd argue black was white just for the hell of it aren't you. Think you're sussed mate.
Cats? Crap all over your garden just like dogs but more devious, they bury it!. Bring dead dismembered creatures into the house in some bizarre idea that you'll be pleased with them! :rolleyes: Kill virtualy anything bigger than an insect that dares come to your garden, yet will not protect your property from unwanted interest of the Human kind, Have no connection to their owner other than free food and bed to kip on. Leave hairballs, fluff everywhere. Lull you into thinking their freindly only to decide your arm hand whatever is prey and savage the crap out of it.
Vermin only good for killing mice and providing entertainment for Dogs!
:D
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Yeah, because a dog is really interested in companionship with the hairless meat sack that gives it free food, walks it, and scoops up its poop.
-SW
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Dog is a pack animal. It becomes part of your pack and part of the heirarchy. Dogs need that just like Wolves its nature, and companionship and a genuine partnership. Ones thats been around for a very long time.
Cats need bugger all and are solitary critters. Origionaly just ornaments for a few ruling types. Big difference.
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If my wife could kiss her own ass, I'd still be married. - Hangtime
Hangtime, you should be a motivational speaker, with these kind of "gems!" :D
Don't want to open a can of worms here, but, since you are a cat advocate, I have to ask about feeding. Is it so bad to feed raw fish or meat a time or two per week?
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The cat lady gave Lisa snowflake II.
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Stupid Furries, one great thing about the intardnet is it lets us ridicule them at will.
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Originally posted by Gunthr
Don't want to open a can of worms here, but, since you are a cat advocate, I have to ask about feeding. Is it so bad to feed raw fish or meat a time or two per week?
I ain't a cat 'advocate'. I just happen to be owned by a couple of gawdamned cats. They never come when I call, rarely even notice I'm in the room, don't wear red bandanas and score me chicks, don't bark at people that violate the property line and the closest either of 'em ever came to fetching me my slippers was to take a crap in 'em.
As for feeding 'em, I give mine dry purina one. and a bowl of water. When either bowl is empty it's THEN they take an interest in what I'm doing.. their modus operandi for 'feed me' is to perch outta reach and stare at me. Blinks about once every 2 minutes.
On average.
For hours.
By the way, don't bother trying to out-stubborn a cat.
If I still don't get off my wide flat bellybutton to feed 'em, one of 'em craps in my slippers again.
Since I have to live in the same house they crap in, I feed 'em just the Purina One. If they eat fish or meat, the crap smells like... crap. Says right on the bag 'everything your cat needs'. So that's all the useless lil salamanders get. Ever. No table scraps, no burgers, no lasagne, no freakin fries.
If either one of 'em ever gets me laid, I'll buy 'em a steak dinner with trout fer dessert. Since that's not likely, they're either gonna solve the 'fetch me a beer and a babe' problem or fart dust for the resta their lives.
They probably wonder what they did in a past life to deserve me.. I've been wondering the same thing. I've probably got Stalin's red-headed step child sleeping on my dresser, and Hitlers Housefrau sacked out under the bed.
Serves the lil salamanders right.
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I hate cats, especially the way they stick to your tyres.
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Originally posted by Skydancer
Dog is a pack animal. It becomes part of your pack and part of the heirarchy. Dogs need that just like Wolves its nature, and companionship and a genuine partnership. Ones thats been around for a very long time.
Unlike Wolves, they don't hunt. Nor are they a very good pack animal since they usually do not work together well with each other. "They're playing!" Typical response from an idiot owner when two dogs go after each other "playfully" and then end up whimpering and whining. No they aren't you handsomehunk, they are showing their dominance over the other.
My dog guard my house? Right, and MrClean is going to beat the living hell out of you defenseless Brits.
Dogs are sad, sad animals. If you think they're great guards, your house will get owned by one man with mace.
-SW
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Originally posted by Vulcan
I hate cats, especially the way they stick to your tyres.
Only if you don't brake. If you brake, then they flatten out a bit more and tend to fall off sooner.
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Thats some funny S*&#t there hangtime
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how does the cat thread have more posts than the Shuttle scrub? lmao sad state gents
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:lol More potential for endless argument? :lol
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skyprancer... I have raised both children and dogs..
Unless you have a use... a good use... for a dog.. they are just a big smelly meat anchor on your life.. They are stupid and destructive and annoy anyone who comes to visit and make your house or car or anywhere not outdoors stink. Everything you said about cats is why enjoy watching them... I don't need to keep a poor dumb animal arounnd so that it can adore me like dog people do..
It is like dog people are saying "look, my dog loves me and takes lots of abuse from me... I'm not such a bad guy."
beet.. I am not kidding... My cats do not like being picked up. The alpha one will sit on the arm of the chair I am in tho... she won't sit on people tho. She will use me as a trampoline to get to a higher spot tho.
I had a dog for 14 years.. I don't think I will ever get another one unless I take up bird hunting or something and live out in the country.
lazs
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Congratulations Lazs! :rolleyes:
That of course makes you an expert in everything! ?
I'll keep my hound thanks and continue to enjoy having her around her for as long as she keepsa running after those pesky feline critters.
For me this matter is closed. I shall return to my blissfully cat free garden and enjoy the sunny hot weather in this raindrenched grim grey Island :rolleyes: :lol :lol
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Got a big gray rascal we call "Gray Cat".
Mind boggling, huh?
She does what she wants, when she wants to and how she wants to do it.
Someway this cat knows the minute you become awake, even before your eyes are open. She comes to the bedroom of a morning and patiently waits perched on the dresser until I get my shirt on, then jumps on my shoulders for the ride to the coffee pot.
She`s very observant, and as a rule, knows if something is going on outside before my big Rott outside knows. If there is something taking place outside that she doesn`t like and I don`t notice it and wake up, I get awakened by what feels like an anvil sitting on my chest and a teacup size paw to the cheek repeatedly. (she eats very well :) )
Other than myself and the wife, she doesn`t have much to do with many people.
Usualy if someone thinks they are going to mess with her , they will get one warning growl. You don`t want to hang around if you don`t take the hint unless your bag is running yourself through a blender.
She is a blast to watch when she is trying to figure something out. Very thourough and intense.
A cat is a lot like an old school biker. Loyal to those that are loyal to them and screw the rest. Don`t play by anyone`s rules but their own and are very unPC like. :)
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Ok skyprancer... sorry to have hit a nerve but...
What use do you have for your dog? Do you really need to buy loyalty like that? Anyone can buy a dog and it will be loyal to just about anyone no matter how he treats it.
Do your really think everyone likes the smell of the thing or having it beg and bother them? If so... why not really be a good guy and take the thing everywhere you go so everyone everywhere can enjoy it's presence?
What do you do with the thing when you go for a week or two? how bout a day or two? Do you honestly think the dog isn't ruling your life?
I don't claim to be an expert but I did have a dog for a long time.... from a puppy till death. I won't have another. I enjoy my freedom (can we say "freedom" on a board with brits?) too much
I like watching the cats... for the little bit of hassle they are worth it. They don't go out very often and are no danger to your garden (unlike the huge piles of dog crap).
I am with jakal on this one... Cats are pretty cool creatures... dogs are just..... dog like.
lazs
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gotta go with lasz on this one. the last dog I had died of old age and while he was a good companion and a family member he was also all of the above mentioned. my daughter left us an unspayed female cat some time ago and her brood expanded exponentially. while they live on the property we claim no ownership of them. the everglades provide sufficient forage for them and they do keep the reptile and rodent population under control. when one dies a simple toss in the lake keeps the small fish around which in turn attract bass, cichlids and snook so it is a good relationship. I like cats far better than dogs.
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Yaknow, I get a real kick out of guys who start in on the old " I hate friggin cats" routine.
Some have valid reasons , such as allergies, time and space situations, why they don`t like cats. That`s understandable.
The ones I am referring to are the guys that come off with the I hate cats routine, trying their best to make it look like a "macho" prop.
I`ve found, that as a rule, if you waste any further time on these people getting to know them, you will see that it tells a lot about them. Usualy they are covertly wimpy, insecure and very untrustworthy and certainly not folks you would like to be around or put any faith in.
These folks need to be constantly pampered, adored and reassured by something or someone to counter balance their fears and insecurities.
Just a little interesting observation I`ve made .
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I bought a small fur covered fake cardboard mouse for my skinny little kitten. My buddy at the pet store let me sweeten it up by leaving it in with the feeder mice for a day. Wow, did that cat ever go ape sh.t on that mouse. She growled just like a dog - I never knew cats could do that. She carries that mouse in her mouth, prances all over the house with it, throws it up in the air, etc, and I can hear her doing this all night long.
I also found out a good way to get your cats to go whereever you want them to go - a laser pointer. Like if you want them to go into the utility room, they will just follow the bouncing ball. Of course, if you want them to spin around in endless circles, they will do that too :lol
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Cats are better judges of character than I am. The only reason these two are still here is I keep the door closed.
If the lil aloof and arrogant salamanders would just kick in fer part of the rent...
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Originally posted by Gunthr
I bought a small fur covered fake cardboard mouse for my skinny little kitten. My buddy at the pet store let me sweeten it up by leaving it in with the feeder mice for a day. Wow, did that cat ever go ape sh.t on that mouse. She growled just like a dog - I never knew cats could do that. She carries that mouse in her mouth, prances all over the house with it, throws it up in the air, etc, and I can hear her doing this all night long.
I also found out a good way to get your cats to go whereever you want them to go - a laser pointer. Like if you want them to go into the utility room, they will just follow the bouncing ball. Of course, if you want them to spin around in endless circles, they will do that too :lol
Cats are one of the few critters that will torment it's prey to death. Mice Maulers.
The laser pointer bit works pretty well on kittens.. but don't count on your kitty always following the bouncing ball. They pretty quickly tire of something intangible and will rebel.. rebellion to a cat is a cold stare from an upright sitting position, tail folded across the paws with the end of it flicking. "what.. you think I'm sum dum mouse?"
Try not to inspire it's wrath.. (adult cats do NOT like to be laughed at) or get used to checking inside your sneakers before you put 'em on.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
If the lil aloof and arrogant salamanders would just kick in fer part of the rent...
LMAO
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Cats are one of the few critters that will torment it's prey to death. Mice Maulers.
mice!! you ought to see them torturing anoles. they do eventually eat them though.