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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Hawklore on July 13, 2005, 11:38:24 AM
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It's the only thing I can say of what I saw..
Saw a wing of three aircraft takeing off from NAS jax.
Triangle wing, shark-fin tail.
F18 sounding engines.
Color was blue-grey/white.
They didn't fly over head.. they were at a distance, couldn't see any intakes.. or anything else..
(http://www.aviapress.com/book/exp/oth201/oth201_12.jpg)
Others think F16's..
But they were too long for f16's..
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F-111 maybe?
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F111 sounds about right. seen enough of them from Lakenheath I think it was.
Back when Gadaffi got pasted it was around the same time we were all sent leaflets on how to survive a nuclear attack! I can remember we felt like tgt number one in Suffolk. When those planes began going over regularly on the way to Libya we thought they were Moscow bound and WW3 had started! Scary stuff for a teenager.
http://www.cybertrn.demon.co.uk/atomic/
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Yea...
Thats much better then the mig..
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IAI F-21 Kfir. They are operated by a contractor called ATAC as simulated threat aircraft.
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Last time is was in Romania I saw two Mig-21s flying in formation low to the ground--pretty neat
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May have been RAF Tornado's. They are often sent to the states on exercises.
(http://www.raf.mod.uk/downloads/wallpaper/tornadof3_06_0800.jpg)
(http://www.raf.mod.uk/downloads/wallpaper/tornadof3_03_0800.jpg)
(http://www.raf.mod.uk/downloads/wallpaper/tornadogr_03_0800.jpg)
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Good pics good plane
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Tornado was my first thought, but I thought they woulda been darker..
They were flying in loose formation..
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there were alot of aircraft F18's scrambling around about 30mins after I saw them, and a P3 was up in the air right after their formation..
So probally a training exersise..
Either way they were sharp looking planes.
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It was probably an F-21A Kfir
(http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/AWA1/601-700/walk667_F-21A_Abbott/04.jpg)
http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/AWA1/601-700/walk667_F-21A_Abbott/walk667.htmhttp://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/AWA1/601-700/walk667_F-21A_Abbott/walk667.htm (http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/AWA1/601-700/walk667_F-21A_Abbott/walk667.htm)
MiG
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Originally posted by Skydancer
F111 sounds about right. seen enough of them from Lakenheath I think it was.
Back when Gadaffi got pasted it was around the same time we were all sent leaflets on how to survive a nuclear attack! I can remember we felt like tgt number one in Suffolk. When those planes began going over regularly on the way to Libya we thought they were Moscow bound and WW3 had started! Scary stuff for a teenager.
http://www.cybertrn.demon.co.uk/atomic/
Are there any F-111 still flying? I thought they were all retired in 1996.
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dont they still use em for electronic jamming and such?
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Originally posted by SMIDSY
dont they still use em for electronic jamming and such?
That mission was handed over to the EA-6B in the 90's.
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I thought they were still running F-4s with F-16s running Wild Weasel missions? They completely retire them from the role after Desert Storm?
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Originally posted by indy007
I thought they were still running F-4s with F-16s running Wild Weasel missions? They completely retire them from the role after Desert Storm?
yup.
I've never heard of a designated version of an F16 as a jammer but the F4Gs were retired after GW1 with out a replacement in the USAF.
now all those missions go to navy EA6Bs
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F-111's are still active with the RAAF (Royal Australian Air Force).
F-4G Phantom Wild Weasels were retired in the mid 90's from active duty with the US Air force. The mission has been taken over by the F-16CJ.
MiG
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Mig-27 is a very large aeroplane. It could not be confused with most western planes by a long shot. The front wheel is almost as tall as a standing adult and the jet exhausts are big enough to walk in.
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You are thinking of MiG-25. 23/27 is roughly F-18-sized.
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27 is bigger than either 25 or 23 dummy. It's rougly half the size of 52. And those are gigantic.
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in that pic pilots head is the size almost of the hubcap on the front wheel.
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I stole the hubcaps off of a mig once.
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Hmm I thought the MiG27 was the ground attack version of the MiG23. Never saw either in RL but thought them not to be big.
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Mig-27 is a very large aeroplane. It could not be confused with most western planes by a long shot. The front wheel is almost as tall as a standing adult and the jet exhausts are big enough to walk in.
MiG31 maybe?
MiG27 has one engine, single exhaust.
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Oh right sorry guys I did confuse it with Mig-25. The 27 is probably smaller even though it too looks pretty big on pictures, haven't seen one in real life.
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I just googled MiG 31 and that has a relatively small front wheel. Just saw the MiG 25, that plane is huge.
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Skydancer...I was in the USAF during the Lybian Crisis. I was on a SAC base. One day Im heading to the flightline snackshop (I was in CES...driving around doing service calls) and I see the red light on in the intersection. So I pull over and stop and the alert crews scream by me to their planes. I see the normal stuff...engines start up etc.
Then to my horror...and Ive seen alot of alerts, but this time they pulled the fences away and the tankers taxied to the end of the runway and took off. Then..as I shrunk into my 1978 Dodge 1 ton plastic seat I saw the B52s roll out onto the taxi way. All in a line ready to take off.
After a few minutes of looking up wondering if we had inbound nukes..thinking.."Well..atleast it would be quick!"...then rethinking how my luck normally runs..the MIRV would be a dud..and crash on the front of the truck crushing my legs...the buffs turned around and went back into the alert pad.
I had never seen it before..or after that day again. Scary stuff.
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Originally posted by SaburoS
Hmm I thought the MiG27 was the ground attack version of the MiG23. Never saw either in RL but thought them not to be big.
I've seen it in RL and even sat in it. It's just a bit larger than an F-16.
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I thought I heard the American acquired some Soviet a/c from East Germany when the Wall came down.
Also heard that the Americans also got some Soviet a/c from Isreal that they had captured.
The US got some MiG29s from Moldavia.
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Could have been a Polish MiG-23, they're members of NATO now so could have been doing exercises in the US.
Incidently, when searching for MiG-23/27 on the internet, it mentions that these MiGs are often confused with the following aircraft: F-111, Tornado, Su-24 Fencer, Mirage F1, Super Etendard, Jaguar. Since it was a NAS it could have been a Argentine Super Etendard since I do know that the US and Argentine Navy often conduct excercises together and allow aicraft to land on each others CVs. Just a guess anyway.
I've seen the ground attack version of the MiG-23 (former East German) at the Flugwerft Schleißheim museum in Munich. Very nice and smallish aircraft.
Here's a couple of pics I took of it:
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/44_1121370317_mig23a.jpg)
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(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/44_1121370371_mig23b.jpg)
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lol mig 27 is huge half as big as a B52!
lol.
I would estimate its approximatly the size of a mig 23(wonder why?) and considerabley smaller then a mig 25 or mig 31.
man the quality of people on this board is plumeting.
None of them have a "triangle wing"
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Originally posted by MiloMorai
I thought I heard the American acquired some Soviet a/c from East Germany when the Wall came down.
Also heard that the Americans also got some Soviet a/c from Isreal that they had captured.
The US got some MiG29s from Moldavia.
Here is one of them sitting in front of the building where I used to work at Wright-Patterson AFB. It's the home of NASIC (National Air & Space Intelligence Center, formerly NAIC (National Air Intelligence Center). Before that it was FTD (Foreign Technology Division), where project BlueBook was conducted. Notice the sensors along the roof, which are also imbedded all through the grass behind the MiG (and the entire perimeter). :)
(http://x-plane.org/home/RedDog/MiG-29_800.jpg)
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I "shot" down a mig once at N.T.C. Ft Irwin, Ca:D
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Originally posted by Pongo
None of them have a "triangle wing"
Exactly. They don't takeoff and land with the wings swept back. If he saw a delta at an NAS, it was an F-21, end of story.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Are there any F-111 still flying? I thought they were all retired in 1996.
Still frontline service aircraft in the RAAF.
Aussie F-111s ( Eff one nudder one nudder one) are allso regular visitors to the States, taking part in Red Flag and other exercises, sometimes as freindly strike, sometimes as aggressor.
(http://www.integration.co.nz/aviation/aircraft/Avalon/av08.jpg)
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Exactly. They don't takeoff and land with the wings swept back. If he saw a delta at an NAS, it was an F-21, end of story.
you want a piece of me funky...dont make me teach you agian.
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I was agreeing with you. Even if there are variable geometry aircraft operating out of an NAS, they are going to have the wings unswept for takeoff/landing, which means they won't look like "triangle" or delta wings.