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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: TheThang on July 14, 2005, 09:03:31 PM
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Whys everyone ragging on the Hein? Its an awsome plane. The only drawback i see is that Anything will out accelerate you
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I've been flyin it a lot lately. It's not as good as the KI84 but I like it.
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LOL its a piece of junk compared to EVERY late war bird.
its performance in the ma vs all mid war birds is marginal at best.
Don't instill in your mind anything into the 61 because your confusing your flying ability and combat exerience with the birds performance or lack of it.
it performs nothing well and everything marginal.
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Originally posted by AmRaaM
LOL its a piece of junk compared to EVERY late war bird.
its performance in the ma vs all mid war birds is marginal at best.
Don't instill in your mind anything into the 61 because your confusing your flying ability and combat exerience with the birds performance or lack of it.
it performs nothing well and everything marginal.
I totally disagree, its a quality bird that can handle any other plane in the set. It's better than "marginal" across the board and its actually a very capable bird as long as you watch your E state.
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I think the spit out turns it easily if you keep it fast. If the fight gets under 220 or so the spit is toast. Just an observation from playing in the TA and DA. I suspect if the the ki tries to slow the fight, the spit should turn e fighter (and spits are a pretty decent e fighter) Right? Wrong?
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alot of planes will either out turn it out climb it or out accelerate it...in a 1 on 1 in the DA your in deep trouble vs a spitty (or a bunch of others)....unless your a better pilot. In the MA things arent quite the same...the Ki has a lot of options in attempting to manage the fight. As an example if the spit stays fast the tony can go angles...if the spit goes angles the tony can zoom it. What it has is good vis good leathality docile handling and a pretty versital FM....but you need to fly a different fight vs a nikki spitty etc...if you fly the same fight as the spitty you'll get beat plane vs plane....you need to make it a pilot vs pilot fight....the ki gives you the tools to do that vs any other plane in the set...now obviously if its levi in the spitty you can just mail it in:)...
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i took on olskool in a fight a few times in it. lost on fair turns. when he started behind me i kicked his arse (he was in 38) it is a very good plane. Once your speed is up. it never goes away. I.e i lost the loop fight but i loooped with him and kep it up withoput stalling for about 5 minutes then disbanded for i lost all hope and got popped and logged =) here i am now
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Originally posted by TheThang
Whys everyone ragging on the Hein? Its an awsome plane.
Perk it! ;)
Woof
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Originally posted by TheThang
Whys everyone ragging on the Hein? Its an awsome plane. The only drawback i see is that Anything will out accelerate you
You can probably compare it to the C.202 and the bf109E in terms of performance.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by TheThang
...Its an awsome plane....
Your definition of awesome must be different than mine.
:)
-Soda
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this is coming from a guy who thinks the la7 and nikkie are Horrible planes. But thats just me.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
You can probably compare it to the C.202 and the bf109E in terms of performance.
ack-ack
Its got a much better gun package then either. The 202 is a pretty decent bird performance wise...the 109E is just a dog (IMO).
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Originally posted by TheThang
Whys everyone ragging on the Hein? Its an awsome plane. The only drawback i see is that Anything will out accelerate you
You got the wrong Ki. The 84 is awsome:aok
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Given a bit of warmup, and a chance to get up to speed, I'll take the Tony over the Frank thank you. Not that I dont love flying the Ki-84, but you have to make a special effort to get it slow enough to engage flaps, and without them its edge-of-stall performace borders on abysmal. In those few seconds the Frank is flopping around trying to get stable while on the edge of flap deployment speeds, the Ki-61 Tony is gonna be puttin 20mm holes in yer tail. Plus, the ROF of the guns in the Frank leaves you unarmed and vulerable if you arent real careful.
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I dont have those issues SA2. It took some getting used too but the Frank is a superb dogfighter. Hollar at me and we can do some DA testing <
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
You can probably compare it to the C.202 and the bf109E in terms of performance.
It's quite a bit better than that, ack-ack. Takes a bit of time to learn to fly well, but if you keep its speed in the 200s, it's quite a capable plane, even with late-war aircraft. Ask some of the people who were flying Hellcats, Corsairs and Thunderbolts in the CT this past week if you don't believe me.
- oldman
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The key to the KI61 is to drain the wing fuel tanks. If you don't, it flys horribly.
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Originally posted by Oldman731
It's quite a bit better than that, ack-ack. Takes a bit of time to learn to fly well, but if you keep its speed in the 200s, it's quite a capable plane, even with late-war aircraft. Ask some of the people who were flying Hellcats, Corsairs and Thunderbolts in the CT this past week if you don't believe me.
- oldman
Didn't say it wasn't a capable plane, just said it's real life performance was close to that of the C.202 and bf109E. So much so, that when the Ki-61 started appearing in the PTO, some USAAF pilots that had rotated from the ETO to the PTO had reported the Ki-61 as a C.202 and in other reports as a bf109E painted in Japanese colors.
ack-ack
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Well, yeah it basically was a slightly more aerodynamic 109E, with Japanese guns instead of German. Thats where the design of the plane came from after all.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Didn't say it wasn't a capable plane, just said it's real life performance was close to that of the C.202 and bf109E. So much so, that when the Ki-61 started appearing in the PTO, some USAAF pilots that had rotated from the ETO to the PTO had reported the Ki-61 as a C.202 and in other reports as a bf109E painted in Japanese colors.
I've read similar reports - to the effect that Americans preferred fighting the Tony to the Zeke, because the Tony lacked the Zeke's maneuverability and didn't have the speed or climb of the US planes. As occasionally happens, the computer simulation doesn't seem to match the historical record.
- oldman
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You're right. One of the most common evasives USAAF pilots used against the Ki-61 was a high speed dive to the right. The torque was so bad in the Ki-61 at high speeds that it couldn't turn to the right very well. Something the Ki-61 really doesn't suffer from all that much in AH.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by OOZ662
The key to the KI61 is to drain the wing fuel tanks. If you don't, it flys horribly.
Thats much truer in the 202/205...the Ki-61 flies ok with the wing tanks full....it does fly a bit better with them empty....but alot of the fuel is in the wings so you cant burn em down like the 205's.....
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I for the most part dedicated a large portion of this tour to fly the Ki61 and have come to like it very well. I have accumulated 123 kills in it so far and have flown it in a variety of different environments. I started flying it due to be assigned to fly it in Friday Night Squad Ops and hadnt really used it much prior.
As I practiced using it, it became more and more fun for me to fly. I plan on using it quite often in the future, may even stick with it as primary aircraft to fight in. I have thought about targeting other aircraft to fly for a tour and learn. Does anyone have any suggestions as to other "obsurer" aircraft to try. I havent done the 205 much and was toying with that idea for next tour.
Muttman
Sick Puppies
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Believe me, any performance you can get out of a nondweeb plane is welcome.
And that's the thing I like about it. It has the ability to perform, but I don't have that lame feeling on my shoulders like if I fly an LgAy or a Niki.