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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: jetb123 on July 15, 2005, 12:57:03 AM
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Im so mad man. I spent to much time trying to save money for the darn stick, and now it is 3 weeks and its already spiking. Its a cyborg evo, I dont fly it hard. Ive been tryign to baby this stick to the fullest knowing that if i mess it up its the one i have to stick with for a for atleast a couple of months. I bought it online with paypal, and I dont know how to return. I really dont want to ship this stick all the way back to newegg in New jersey. Ive tried everything I raised my deadband to the fullest and dampining still spikes then when i raised low it looked hopefully, but then again it started spiking in a few minutes. Heres is the pic any way to fix :(.(http://img331.imageshack.us/img331/1237/stickspike1ml.png) :mad: :mad:
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have you tried to go to the joystick properties in the windows system folder and recalibrating the stick?
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Originally posted by Meatwad
have you tried to go to the joystick properties in the windows system folder and recalibrating the stick?
Cyborg doesnt allow me.
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You have to install the advanced user program... then you should have a calibrate program show. Your stick has a 1 year manufactors guarantee
if you bought it at a store such as best buy, circuit city etc... take it back and exchange it! . :)
Not a bad idea to spend $8.00 for 2 year extended warranty. then your covered!!!!! it messes up with in that time frame, return it , get replacement. go fly, so on and so on.... :)
Sometime they suck right outa the box, still better then loctech!
3 weeks take it back. I've returned several over the past 1 or so
years. :(
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jetb - if it's only 3 weeks old, take it back and get it replaced. I've got an evo and it's smooth - best low $ stick I've ever had, actually (although I still miss my old fighter stick).
asw
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For years I tried all kinds of sticks just because they were on the shelf in stores and cheap. IMO, there is no better stick than ch pro. Its extremely precise in the middle. The flightstick is only $90 and well worth it. For years and years many have been saying it, CH pro. That many people can't be wrong.
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NewEgg has been very good with me. You won't have a problem sending it back but don't wait any longer, call them right away, or email.
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To return this I would have to print a page. Which I do not have a working printer. Then i would have to pay for shipping, Wait a few days without ah cause of no stick. Then wait 2-3 days for it to procsses. Then wait for it to be shipped back to me a new one. I dont have the money for this. Im just gonna have to stick to this spiking stick till i can round up enough money to buy one from bestbuy. I will never ever buy a joystick again offline...:(
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a week without ah is nothing, i thought before then you didnt play ah for months and months?
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As I said I cant go threw this trouble. Im just gonna have to save and buy another one from best buy. So theres no way to fix this? Just my luck i had to get the one with
pots messed up.
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I've also (heard, dont know this first hand) CH will send buttons and the like to fix your own stick if it breaks down the line.
FYI besy buy (im pretty sure ,99% sure on all this) sale CH sticks online, BUT you can return them at store if you have problems with it while its under warranty, they send it in for repairs too if after 30 day refund policy,.... cant beat that, shipping cost not refunded if your getting money back is all, still better then, other online purchases as far as returns if prob occure....................... ...fair price too! online will tell you all this ifluff'n ya'all wana conferm it!
:)
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Jetb, did you actually install the Saitek software?? Uninstall that crap and just plug the stick in. Heck, not only should you uninstall the software, your registry entries are probably screwed up too. Do a registry clean after uninstalling the software and make sure every trace of their hack crap is gone off your hard drive. Then plug the stick in, and when windows looks for a driver direct it to the CD. It will only install the drivers. Then you can calibrate it in Windows. Make sure you delete the video8.cfg folder in AH before starting the game, then recalibrate the stick in AH. Use damper to clean up any spiking.
Then save your money for a nice CH stick, and toss that Evo in the closet for emergency backup (and I do mean emergency only).
I'd rather fly with a mouse than use an Evo or anything from Logicrap again. But if you have to use them, dont ever use the control software. It will cause more problems than it helps. AH is very easy to setup sticks in with their interface, there is absolutely no reason to use joystick company software. I've yet to see one that didnt cause problems for someone.
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Buy a Microsoft Sidwwinder off of Ebay, they cheap.
Plus they last forever :)
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I really dont want to ship this stick all the way back to newegg in New jersey
The best thing you've done yet that I've read. Newegg is a dream to deal with. Call them up, explain your situation and ask them if they would please give you a new stick on return. I know for a fact that the turn around time with newegg is more than fast. They're the best when it comes to getting a part to my door when they say they will.
Why screw around any longer? The more time you waste the more likely newegg is going to say you waited too long. Call them today and tell them your situation.
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Originally posted by jetb123
To return this I would have to print a page. Which I do not have a working printer. Then i would have to pay for shipping, Wait a few days without ah cause of no stick. Then wait 2-3 days for it to procsses. Then wait for it to be shipped back to me a new one. I dont have the money for this. Im just gonna have to stick to this spiking stick till i can round up enough money to buy one from bestbuy. I will never ever buy a joystick again offline...:(
Go to Best buy or Circuit City, buy a new one. Stick the old one in the Box, and return it. You can do the whole thing in a few hours with no real cash outlay. The store will send it back to the manufacturer for credit so the only one that loses is the manufacturer.... and they should.
Woof
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I tried the EVO and I broke the trigger right away. No more. I've had my Thrustmaster Fox 2 Pro for almost a year. Absouletly no problems. Highly recommended.:aok
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Originally posted by Morpheus
The best thing you've done yet that I've read. Newegg is a dream to deal with. Call them up, explain your situation and ask them if they would please give you a new stick on return. I know for a fact that the turn around time with newegg is more than fast. They're the best when it comes to getting a part to my door when they say they will.
Why screw around any longer? The more time you waste the more likely newegg is going to say you waited too long. Call them today and tell them your situation.
Jet, do what Morph said.
Now.
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I've also (heard, dont know this first hand) CH will send buttons and the like to fix your own stick if it breaks down the line.
I don't really think this is true unfortunatly.
I have been talking with CH tech support some for the past few days. I had a pair of CH Pro pedals sent to me from the USA, bought via flightsimcentral.com
After less then two weeks they started spiking BADLY and that is why I got on the support with them. After telling them I could not return them to the US due to shipment costs they told me that Sir, The best option would be to order the potentiometers separately form our website here: http://www.chproducts.com/shop/parts.html if you are comfortable with replacing the parts yourself. Otherwise you may want to contact Betafon in Denmark to see if they can exchange the unit for you.
This is after I asked them if they could send me a spare pot free since the pedals were after all only two weeks old.
He was very kind but all I've heard about CH tech support I no longer believe. I should NOT have to buy new pots 2 weeks after I started using the pedals. Not for 160 dollars worth of pedals.
And returning the pedals to another reseller is of course out of the question too. No way Betafon in denmark will accept that and then take the hit of getting a pair of defect pedals back.
Jet, if you can't afford/take time to send them back I sugest opening them up and maybe spraying them with some contact spray. The spikes I see on the screenshot aren't too bad and it is very likely it is just dust.
Only do this if you wanna take a chance though, most sticks aren't always all that easy to reasemble again.
Btw, here are two pics from my new 2 week old USB pedals.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/267_1121162262_spiking2.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/267_1121162231_spiking1.jpg)
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I agree with Star here.
Jet don't install the software with the stick. Just plug it in, go to start--->control panel--->game controllers. When the window pops up, click on settings and you will see a tab to calibrate. Calibrate the stick there, and then in game.
You will need to uninstall the software for the stick before you do this. (read Stars post again).
I have been using the EVO for over a year now. No spikes, no problems whatsoever, and feel it is a good low priced stick.
If that doesn't work for you, Morph has the fix. (but I am pretty sure that installing the software is a bad idea).
Cheers Jet, hope you get it sorted out.
RTR
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Thats why I dont buy ch and siatek products anymore. I have a MS Precision 2 usb joystick that I have been using for 5 years and its still working fine. I have a backup that I got off ebay for 20 bucks. The one Im using now has shims in it to reduce the slack arround the center. The ms sticks are simple to work on and I couldnt have been happier with mine.
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Jet, shame on you. I warned you a few weeks ago that Evo's were notorious for spiking...some after a few days...others after a few months. That's why I suggested that you buy it from BEST BUY and pay the extra $8 for the replacement insurance. Shame, shame, shame.
Can your problem be resolved? Maybe. As mentioned before, uninstall any Saitek software. It's all crap. Unplug your stick when you do it. Now open up Control Panels Gaming Devices and highlight the Evo>properties>test. Move the handle around, twist the rudders and work the throttle. Hit apply and OK.
Now open up the joystick settings in AH, click the default settings box. I noticed your ROLL sliders were all set to the max with virtually no deadband or damping. A mosquito flying by your Evo will send input to the game with those settings. Make sure all axes (roll, pitch, rudder, throttle) are set to default settings. The far left slider will be just off the bottom, and as they move right...they'll all graduate upward. Notice too that deadband and damping are raised up a little. Now do a stick calibration and see what you get in the air.
I calibrate my EVO everytime I enter AH and then about every 30 minutes just for safe keeping.
One final word, for some reason using the EVO in MSFlight Simulator does weird things to the stick. If you're using other flight sims, unplug the USB and recalibrate in Win CP's before flying AH
Good luck!
DmdMax
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Originally posted by jetb123
Cyborg doesnt allow me.
Yes it does, you just don't know it. It supposedly self-calibrates as you move the X,Y,Z and throttle axes.
DmdMax
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Originally posted by Kermit de frog
Buy a Microsoft Sidwwinder off of Ebay, they cheap.
Plus they last forever :)
Yeah I can second that, my Sidewinder Precision Pro 1 still works flawlessly after 4 years of use. Not a single spike ever.
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Originally posted by Wilbus
I have been talking with CH tech support some for the past few days. I had a pair of CH Pro pedals sent to me from the USA, bought via flightsimcentral.com
Hmmm... The images you posted of your stick settings displayed them under the roll axis. I use the rudder axis selection for my CH pedals in AH. Heck these old Analog pedals are probably older than some of the players here in the game. But they are used as a USB adapter device under winblows XP via a radio shack part# 26-164 gameport to USB adapter and calibrated under windows by skipping all but the Z axis. No spiking here.
All the Best...
Jay
awDOC1
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Originally posted by doc1kelley
Hmmm... The images you posted of your stick settings displayed them under the roll axis. I use the rudder axis selection for my CH pedals in AH. Heck these old Analog pedals are probably older than some of the players here in the game. But they are used as a USB adapter device under winblows XP via a radio shack part# 26-164 gameport to USB adapter and calibrated under windows by skipping all but the Z axis. No spiking here.
All the Best...
Jay
awDOC1
Doesn't matter what axis I have selected in the toll down window. Check the window to the right, it shows all axis' at the same time and wich ones I move. The spikes are from the rudders.
Yeah I know CH Pedals last forever but these ones spiked from the beginning almost. All my settings in AH are correct and I too of course use rudder axis for rudders :)
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Cant unistall this softwafe. My friend had to reformatt just to get it off. Its not spiking as bad as wilbuz but if i move it little movements I do get little tiny jumps for bout 2 seconds then it smooths. When i do a fast quick movement it doesnt spike.
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If it's logitech, there's a driver remover on the web that will clean it out. Google it.
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Originally posted by jetb123
Cant unistall this softwafe. My friend had to reformatt just to get it off. Its not spiking as bad as wilbuz but if i move it little movements I do get little tiny jumps for bout 2 seconds then it smooths. When i do a fast quick movement it doesnt spike.
Control Panel -> System -> Hardware -> Device Manager -> Human Interface Devices -> Right Mouse Button Click on your stick -> Uninstall
Edit: If you have Saitek Controller in Add/Remove Programs, remove it here first...
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Tried that it wont unistall.
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Unplug your stick first. :)
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Did you try to re-install software if it came with it? I just dug my old msffb out of retirement. Its 100x the X52.
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Saringas,
how did you go about shimming the MS - pro?
(Guess the base is removable?)
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Sarin, I have the same MS stick, 3 of em, been using since Wb2..
but all of em are now a little loose, and that "5" button seems to always stop working,
So i signed up for Ebay and grabbed 3 more for 20 to 30$, we may have been in a bidding war :D
I was happy to see all the new ones were hardly used and in great shape, one guy even threw in Janes F-18 sim/game
Also,,,,Jets Roll scaling all at 100% and hardly any DB or damping
from what ive learned from trainers in WB and AH, thats not how ya want it?
This is mine, same scaling for Pitch and rudder,though rudders DB and damp higher to avoid nose bounce since twisty stick
any advice welcome..
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/147_1121496309_ahss0.jpg)
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Heya Jet wanna go h2h? =) Sucks about your stick my don't do it:p
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Crap man im gonn have to stick with this stick for a good few months. Spiking POS :) anyway sure skychimp what room yuo gonna be in?
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Originally posted by DMax
Jet, shame on you. I warned you a few weeks ago that Evo's were notorious for spiking...some after a few days...others after a few months. That's why I suggested that you buy it from BEST BUY and pay the extra $8 for the replacement insurance. Shame, shame, shame.
Can your problem be resolved? Maybe. As mentioned before, uninstall any Saitek software. It's all crap. Unplug your stick when you do it. Now open up Control Panels Gaming Devices and highlight the Evo>properties>test. Move the handle around, twist the rudders and work the throttle. Hit apply and OK.
Now open up the joystick settings in AH, click the default settings box. I noticed your ROLL sliders were all set to the max with virtually no deadband or damping. A mosquito flying by your Evo will send input to the game with those settings. Make sure all axes (roll, pitch, rudder, throttle) are set to default settings. The far left slider will be just off the bottom, and as they move right...they'll all graduate upward. Notice too that deadband and damping are raised up a little. Now do a stick calibration and see what you get in the air.
I calibrate my EVO everytime I enter AH and then about every 30 minutes just for safe keeping.
One final word, for some reason using the EVO in MSFlight Simulator does weird things to the stick. If you're using other flight sims, unplug the USB and recalibrate in Win CP's before flying AH
Good luck!
DmdMax
Okay ty if i cant get the spiking sorted out. I will just buy one from bestbuy and buy a warranty on it.
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Originally posted by jetb123
bwahahaha... never buy a shyte-tek
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:eek: I fly with one:o
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On my MS Sidewinder Precision 2 USB stick I removed the small black rubber feet from the base then removed the screws that hold down the metal plate to the base. I then removed the screws that hold the large square black plastic retaining cap and shaft. There is a small gray retaining cap that you will have to remove which just pulls off the shaft to gain access to the x and y axis shafts which are attached to the potentiometers and springs. The shim which will have to be made from a thin piece of plastic (about a .015 to .031 thick) will go between the shaft and the side of the retainer case. A plastic milk jug is about the perfect thickness. Depending on the ammount of play in your stick you may need to shim both sides. Youll need to cut the plastic shims and experiment with size to get them to fit. I cut a V groove in one end so that it stay put on the shaft and keeps it aligned. If you need more info feel free to email me and Ill help. Also I will try to get my hands on my friends digital camera and maybe take some pics fo those of you who are interested in this fix which works great! Also make sure to recalibrate your stick in windows and in game after the fix. I dont take any liability for damages you may do to your stick while trying this fix. Another note as well.. you'll need to clean out the existing grease and need to regrease the ball and socket with some white "NON PETROLEM" based grease after you do mod.
my email is dalosiman@msn.com
Hope this helps. :aok
Originally posted by daMIG
Saringas,
how did you go about shimming the MS - pro?
(Guess the base is removable?)
:aok
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Originally posted by SarinGas
On my MS Sidewinder Precision 2 USB stick I removed the small black rubber feet from the base then removed the screws that hold down the metal plate to the base. I then removed the screws that hold the large square black plastic retaining cap and shaft. There is a small gray retaining cap that you will have to remove which just pulls off the shaft to gain access to the x and y axis shafts which are attached to the potentiometers and springs. The shim which will have to be made from a thin piece of plastic (about a .015 to .031 thick) will go between the shaft and the side of the retainer case. A plastic milk jug is about the perfect thickness. Depending on the ammount of play in your stick you may need to shim both sides. Youll need to cut the plastic shims and experiment with size to get them to fit. I cut a V groove in one end so that it stay put on the shaft and keeps it aligned. If you need more info feel free to email me and Ill help. Also I will try to get my hands on my friends digital camera and maybe take some pics fo those of you who are interested in this fix which works great! Also make sure to recalibrate your stick in windows and in game after the fix. I dont take any liability for damages you may do to your stick while trying this fix. Another note as well.. you'll need to clean out the existing grease and need to regrease the ball and socket with some white "NON PETROLEM" based grease after you do mod.
my email is dalosiman@msn.com
Hope this helps. :aok
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So this fixes spiking? Sure once i buy my new one id be glad to try this out.
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You said: So this fixes spiking? Sure once i buy my new one id be glad to try this out.
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Jetb
367th"Dynamite Gang"
Hiyas Jet.....
I wanted to try this for the "play" in the stick when it is centered, and the distance it needs to move before it actually changes the pots. As i see it, it is the electronics in the pots that makes it spike. There is a coil of wire meant to vary the amount of resistance according to where the "wiper" is against the coil. The variance is what gives the "amount of movement" to the game, imho. So to correct your spike, you need pot.
(yeah, i know, long way to get to that one)
thanks Saringas for great post.
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WOOT!
Real bonified Member now.. increased in rank from junior (will this help me in MA?) (nice to be able to increase in rank somewhere):rofl
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Nope this fixes the slack or play arround center. After a period of time the joystick will become worn and you will be able to move the stick up to an inch without having it respond. The shims correct this problem. As for spiking you should have gone with what everyone recommended and gotten your stick locally or at least gotten a sidewinder.
SarinGas Thats why I dont buy ch and siatek products anymore. I have a MS Precision 2 usb joystick that I have been using for 5 years and its still working fine. I have a backup that I got off ebay for 20 bucks. The one Im using now has shims in it to reduce the slack arround the center. The ms sticks are simple to work on and I couldnt have been happier with mine.
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Did you download the drivers from the Saitek website? Not sure if it will help, but can't hurt.
Have had my evo for almost 2 years without much problems. The only thing I have to do is calibrate my stick in game when I first log on.
Loved my sidewinder, but it did break down after 2 years. The problem with MS sticks, they don't make them anymore.
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@ Wilbus;
Wilbus; I walk past Betafon every day on the way to work.
Need a hand?
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Originally posted by jetb123
Cyborg doesnt allow me.
theres your problem right there jeb.
i went through 12 saitech's and logicraps, and had spikeing issued with all of them after a month.
not my trustmaster, been 7 months and still strong as hell.
but no one belives me when i tell them to go with thrustmaster, or ch and stay away from the other two.
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Awsome Seeker! I might need a hand, not sure yet.
Hajo is trying to help me buy talking to CH directly as the pedals were ordered in the US. If it doesn't work I will contact you Seeker OK? :)
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Originally posted by Wilbus
Awsome Seeker! I might need a hand, not sure yet.
Hajo is trying to help me buy talking to CH directly as the pedals were ordered in the US. If it doesn't work I will contact you Seeker OK? :)
Sure :)
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Originally posted by 68DevilM
theres your problem right there jeb.
i went through 12 saitech's and logicraps, and had spikeing issued with all of them after a month.
not my trustmaster, been 7 months and still strong as hell.
but no one belives me when i tell them to go with thrustmaster, or ch and stay away from the other two.
So are you saying only reason my stick is spiking due to this programm installed?
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Originally posted by SarinGas
Thats why I dont buy ch and siatek products anymore. I have a MS Precision 2 usb joystick that I have been using for 5 years and its still working fine. I have a backup that I got off ebay for 20 bucks. The one Im using now has shims in it to reduce the slack arround the center. The ms sticks are simple to work on and I couldnt have been happier with mine.
Where did you put the shims? I'm having the same problem with mine and I managed to tighten it up (remove the slack around the center) somewhat, but it's still got slack.
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Re: Saringas shims?
On my MS Sidewinder Precision 2 USB stick I removed the small black rubber feet from the base then removed the screws that hold down the metal plate to the base. I then removed the screws that hold the large square black plastic retaining cap and shaft. There is a small gray retaining cap that you will have to remove which just pulls off the shaft to gain access to the x and y axis shafts which are attached to the potentiometers and springs. The shim which will have to be made from a thin piece of plastic (about a .015 to .031 thick) will go between the shaft and the side of the retainer case. A plastic milk jug is about the perfect thickness. Depending on the ammount of play in your stick you may need to shim both sides. Youll need to cut the plastic shims and experiment with size to get them to fit. I cut a V groove in one end so that it stay put on the shaft and keeps it aligned. If you need more info feel free to email me and Ill help. Also I will try to get my hands on my friends digital camera and maybe take some pics fo those of you who are interested in this fix which works great! Also make sure to recalibrate your stick in windows and in game after the fix. I dont take any liability for damages you may do to your stick while trying this fix. Another note as well.. you'll need to clean out the existing grease and need to regrease the ball and socket with some white "NON PETROLEM" based grease after you do mod.
my email is dalosiman@msn.com
Hope this helps.
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Originally posted by jetb123
So are you saying only reason my stick is spiking due to this programm installed?
no im saying send it back if you can, there should be a warrenty on it, and try to get a new one. not refurbished.