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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Gunslinger on July 16, 2005, 04:35:48 PM
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Ok for those that have responded to me over the previous years in my threads, if you havnt guessed right now I have very bad luck when it comes to cars.
Nash says it's rooted in Karma who knows
Ok here's what I did,
I'm doing a brake job on my Jeep and I'm trying to get the tires off. I have the jeep on the ground and I'm breaking the lugs. The last one I get to is over torqued and as I'm trying to break it actually breaks.....the "jacket" of the lug cracked and came right off.
Now I'm worried. Underneith it is the actual lugg and it seems like it is the same size. DO I dare continue just trying to get the dam thing to break torque or is their something else I can try.
Would WD40 help it out or make it worse.
I'm taking a break for now (no pun intended) to re-hydrate myself....any tips or advice is throughly appreciated.
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It has a chrome lug cover? Is that what you are talking about? The "lug" is the bolt, the "lug-nut" is the part you break loose.
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Originally posted by Lizking
It has a chrome lug cover? Is that what you are talking about? The "lug" is the bolt, the "lug-nut" is the part you break loose.
Yes excuse me.
the "lug-nut" has a jacket. I wouldnt call it a crome cover because there isn't much crome about it. The jacket itself ripped off the "lug-nut".
A 3/4 socket fits quite well on the jacketless nut but I've allready broke 1 3/8" drive ratchet and my cheap 1/2" drive ratchet as well.
I'm waiting for my neighbor to get home to borrow his 1/2" ratchet. My impact wrench wont brake it and it's the only thing that I have left that has a half inch drive on it.
This sucks, held up by a stupid lug-nut before I even begin. I went ahead and did the other side now I need to break this change the pads and bleed them both.
I'll do the dam shoes tomorrow :mad:
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covers eyes ...
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Gunny ya mean like THIS? (http://www.industryfigure.com/berkeley/Jeep/wheellugnuts.htm)
If so, drag out a metric socket set to use on the odd-sized solid nut.
Those OEM two-piece lug nuts get damaged when people use pneumatic wrenches on them and hammer on 'em too long, the result is what happened to you.
Go get a set of solid chrome nuts at the auto supply, they ain't real expensive.
culero
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Originally posted by culero
Gunny ya mean like THIS? (http://www.industryfigure.com/berkeley/Jeep/wheellugnuts.htm)
If so, drag out a metric socket set to use on the odd-sized solid nut.
Those OEM two-piece lug nuts get damaged when people use pneumatic wrenches on them and hammer on 'em too long, the result is what happened to you.
Go get a set of solid chrome nuts at the auto supply, they ain't real expensive.
culero
That's exactly it. Now instead of a the nice looking cover picture one that's torn in half.
ps,,,thanks thats exactly what I needed to hear.
(http://www.industryfigure.com/berkeley/Jeep/images/wheellugnutsold.jpg)
I figured the 3/4" was too big for it and actually rounded the corners off a little. Not to bad though. I stepped down to a (i'm so tired I can't remember what's after 3/4" ) I think an 11/16".
I'll try a 15mm like the article says. The nut is pretty much screwed up, I might have to take it off with the air chisle....we'll see.
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See... it's not Karma. It's Khrysler. ;)
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1/2" Breaker BAR and a 15mm 1/2" drive socket. Grunt a little. ;)
No biggie.. what yer up against is routine.
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take it to the garage like i do..
maybe not very masculine, but it works and saves me time and hassle
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forgot the 2 1/2 feet of pipe to add to it :D
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..added to the BREAKER BAR.. it'll blow most cheezy 1/2" rachets all ta hell.
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
forgot the 2 1/2 feet of pipe to add to it :D
I've been looking for that. I had some smaller pipe but it doesnt fit around the handle of my neighbors 1/2" ratchet. That's how I broke my 3/8" ratchet.
I'm at wit's end here. A 15mm socket doesnt actually fit. The only thing I have that fits well is a 11/16" but the nut itself is so screwed that I think a breaker bar (wich I dont have in 1/2") would just serve to round it off more.
Grrrrrrrr
I was lookin in my box and I dont have an chisels to fit my air hammer.
Good thing there's plenty of beer in the fridge cause there's no way to get more :D
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Smoke-Wrench.
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I would strongly recommend putting a bit of grease on each stud when you spin them back on. They will never stick that way.
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ok looks like the nuts are going to have to be chisled off. This will probably mess up the lugs too huh?
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nah .. just get a good 6 point socket and jump down in the breaker bar .
back to covering eyes ....
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I had a little motor pool butter-bar officer that used to whine about lil difficulties such as yours, and rather than getting creative and trying to fix anything, he'd spend hours explaining why he couldn't fix things.
A second loooie can come up with 5 problems for any soultion.
Get a 15mm 1/2" drive socket. Get a lil propane torch. Heat the hell outta the lugnut, pound the socket onto the lug nut and pop it loose with an honest 1/2" breaker bar.
Fer cripes sakes.. a stuck mopar lugnut has a grown marine bamboozled?
I'm shocked!
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;)
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Sometimes heating the lug with a lighter helps... particularly if you can work quickly and get the lug a little hotter than the stud post on the wheel hub.
Sqrl
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Originally posted by Hangtime
I had a little motor pool butter-bar officer that used to whine about lil difficulties such as yours, and rather than getting creative and trying to fix anything, he'd spend hours explaining why he couldn't fix things.
A second loooie can come up with 5 problems for any soultion.
Get a 15mm 1/2" drive socket. Get a lil propane torch. Heat the hell outta the lugnut, pound the socket onto the lug nut and pop it loose with an honest 1/2" breaker bar.
Fer cripes sakes.. a stuck mopar lugnut has a grown marine bamboozled?
I'm shocked!
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;)
nobody likes a wise arse! ;)
Usually I can be pretty creative when it comes to solving problems. I quiting for right now. I need more, tools. when the stores open tomorrow I'll break out the credit card and stock up again. and give it another go tomorrow.
for right now i'm pooped. It was probably 112 degrees today and I probably shouldnt have been working out side for so long but oh well, I do it 5 days a week working on aircraft why not a car.
hang comparing a working Sergeant to a boot louie is about as low as you can hit a man :cool:
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You are doing the brakes, so replacing the lugbolt isn't anything. Put the smoke wrench to it and burn off the lugnut (most of it, then a lick or two with a cold chisel to finish it). Replace the lug and go on.
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or heat it til red ... let it cool and it ussually will come off . (been doing that to chev exhaust manifold bolts for yrs now )
a little wd will help too
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Originally posted by Lizking
You are doing the brakes, so replacing the lugbolt isn't anything. Put the smoke wrench to it and burn off the lugnut (most of it, then a lick or two with a cold chisel to finish it). Replace the lug and go on.
Liz i'm ashamed to admit I have no clue what a smoke wrench is?
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Oxy/Acetelene Torch. Doubtful you got one in the tool box. Probable you've got an old bernz-o-matic propane rig. That won't cut off the lug nut, but it will get it hot enuff the impact wrench or the 15mm socket with the breaker bar can manage.
hang comparing a working Sergeant to a boot louie is about as low as you can hit a man
Figued it would motivate some creative brain grunt. I see it's working. :D
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Otherwise known as a cutting torch.
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Originally posted by Lizking
Otherwise known as a cutting torch.
nope Don't have one of those. I'm done for the day. Gonna take it to the base auto hobby shop tomorrow, they should have just about everything I need.
I need to try the hardest to get the nut off without messin up the lug. The auto parts store is 20 miles away.
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Just heat it then.
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Gunslinger use a "6 point" socket, that won't round it off like a "12 point". Try 17mm or 18mm, also 11/16, whichever fits tightest.
Don't be afraid to use a socket you have to force on the nut, the tighter it fits the better.
Don't just use brute force in one direction only. Go both ways, back and forth, while you work on breaking it loose. Going one way only, you may twist the stud off if the nut is really jammed.
Heating the nut is a great idea.
The hobby shop may have a tool called a "nut splitter". If so, its an alternative if you can't get it to unscrew off.
Too bad you're not close by, I could have that thing off in a few minutes no matter what (I'm an artist with the "hot wrench" if the air wrench doesn't get it ;))
culero
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Originally posted by culero
Gunslinger use a "6 point" socket, that won't round it off like a "12 point". Try 17mm or 18mm, also 11/16, whichever fits tightest.
Don't be afraid to use a socket you have to force on the nut, the tighter it fits the better.
Don't just use brute force in one direction only. Go both ways, back and forth, while you work on breaking it loose. Going one way only, you may twist the stud off if the nut is really jammed.
Heating the nut is a great idea.
The hobby shop may have a tool called a "nut splitter". If so, its an alternative if you can't get it to unscrew off.
Too bad you're not close by, I could have that thing off in a few minutes no matter what (I'm an artist with the "hot wrench" if the air wrench doesn't get it ;))
culero
i went out there a second time. I heated it up a little using a wd40 can and a lighter....yea i know darwin award stuff...but I'm still here. I'll wait till tomorrow. the shop at minimum will have a heat gun. More than that they will have alot of the specialized tools for stuck bolts and such. Plus I'm not afraid to break their stuff....I dont want to ruin mine or worse my neighbors tools.
thanks for the help guys
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Keep us posted, Loooootennnant.
:D
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A lighter is a waste of time.. use a burns-a-matic and penetrating oil, its not just for sheep ya know!
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Keep us posted, Loooootennnant.
:D
you can call me LT for short ;)
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We damn sure ain't gonna call you Smokey...
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Originally posted by Lizking
We damn sure ain't gonna call you Smokey...
as far as tools go I'm lucky to have a good compressor. an actual torch is pushing it.
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Smokey as in Yunick, my friend.
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SMAW
Quick and easy.
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liquid wrench, let it soak, tap it with a hammer before you try again.
a little heat, not to much you wana get the lug hot not the bolt.
impact wrench.
ratchet, use a breaker bar.
all else fails weld a steel bar to it and stand on it.
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Originally posted by Lizking
Smokey as in Yunick, my friend.
That's what I'm talkin' about!:aok
Guns, just let some WD40 soak on it all night, get a 4way tire tool and a piece of pipe. Jump on the dang thing and break 'em loose. You are a man and a Marine. Be one! Improvise, adapt, overcome.
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Originally posted by rpm
That's what I'm talkin' about!:aok
Guns, just let some WD40 soak on it all night, get a 4way tire tool and a piece of pipe. Jump on the dang thing and break 'em loose. You are a man and a Marine. Be one! Improvise, adapt, overcome.
That is exactly what rounded the nut out in the first place. I had gloves on and was squating the weight up.
When that didn't work I put almost 180lbs on the bastage nearly stepping on it.
It's definatly soaking right now in oil (earl for you texans) but I need some out of the box thinking to get it off. Its too rounded off for these standard methods because no matter how much force I put on it it will just slip.
I didn't realize what cheap lug nuts jeep puts on their cars. I don't remember the last time I had the front tires off but they must have been over torqued then. I live in the desert so there's not much chance of rust out here. The auto hobby shop on base has to have specialized tools for something like this.
If I can't get them off then I'll call a friend in Cal. City to stop at Napa and come on base and drop off some lugs after I use the air chisel to get these off.
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I'd also suggest you invest in a Metrinch tool kit. Fits SAE and Metric and will not round off a nut. They cost about $100 for the small set, but they are worth every penny. I've had one for about 5 years, great tools.
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Originally posted by rpm
I'd also suggest you invest in a Metrinch tool kit. Fits SAE and Metric and will not round off a nut. They cost about $100 for the small set, but they are worth every penny. I've had one for about 5 years, great tools.
do they make it in deep well?
That's also my problem, the deepwell sockets I have are for my impact wrench and they aren't of the best quality.
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Flame has been added to the mix...God help us all.
They make a nutbuster you can put on a nut and tighten till it slpits. Not sure if it will work with rounded, deformed edges though.
If nothing else spray the lug with penetrating lube,let it sit for awhile,get a pipe wrench if theres room to put it on and tap the end with a good sized hammer. Impact will loosen things better than brute strength anyday.
Ive never had much luck with heat.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
do they make it in deep well?
That's also my problem, the deepwell sockets I have are for my impact wrench and they aren't of the best quality.
Yep, they have deepwell. I think the 6 piece set (which fits 12 sizes) is $30. I had a set and gave them to my bro-in-law. He's a fabricator and uses the **** outa them.
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Originally posted by FiLtH
Flame has been added to the mix...God help us all.
They make a nutbuster you can put on a nut and tighten till it slpits. Not sure if it will work with rounded, deformed edges though.
If nothing else spray the lug with penetrating lube,let it sit for awhile,get a pipe wrench if theres room to put it on and tap the end with a good sized hammer. Impact will loosen things better than brute strength anyday.
Ive never had much luck with heat.
yea I had to take a second look at myself when I was squating in front of the tire with a can of WD40 and a lighter. I really have nothing else to heat it up with.
I'm thinking the "experts" at the shop tomorrow are going to tell me to chisle it off and order new lugs after I Efff them up.
For those that say COUGH....HANGTIME....COUGH I'm not being creative enough I even considered trying to change the pads with the tire still on.
to make matters worse my wife is out of town this week and I have no other transportation.
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There's an old story about a guy with a flat outside a nut house.
He's changing the tire, has the lugnuts in the hubcap. A nutcase is hanging on the fence, drooling, blubbering, making small sounds. Gets the guy kinda nervous. He steps on the edge of the hubcap, lug nuts go flyin into the tall weeds.
The guy's stumped.. middle of 'nowhere' outside a nutfarm, flat tire, good spare but no lugnuts. The nutcase says in a level tone of voice, 'take one nut from each of the other three wheels.. that'll getcha into town.'
The guys thinks for a second, sez, 'hey.. that'll work... good idea.' Then he asks the looney why he's in a nutfarm.
"I'm crazy. Not stupid."
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Gunny,
WD40 is pretty much useless as a penetrant for rusted nuts/bolts. Use PB Blaster or Liquid Wrench instead. They work much faster.
I would tighten the rest of the nuts back so maybe that might take a bit of the pressure off of the stuck one.
For God's sake dude, don't be using the "aerosol" torch system. Very bad example to your kids if they saw it. BTW, for anyone with kids, chances are they'll see and learn the bad stuff. Murphy's Law and all that. ;)
Also, don't forget to check the angle and shape of the replacement lugnuts as they might be different than your stock ones. Might mess up your mounting holes if you've got Mag/Aluminum wheels.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
There's an old story about a guy with a flat outside a nut house.
He's changing the tire, has the lugnuts in the hubcap. A nutcase is hanging on the fence, drooling, blubbering, making small sounds. Gets the guy kinda nervous. He steps on the edge of the hubcap, lug nuts go flyin into the tall weeds.
The guy's stumped.. middle of 'nowhere' outside a nutfarm, flat tire, good spare but no lugnuts. The nutcase says in a level tone of voice, 'take one nut from each of the other three wheels.. that'll getcha into town.'
The guys thinks for a second, sez, 'hey.. that'll work... good idea.' Then he asks the looney why he's in a nutfarm.
"I'm crazy. Not stupid."
wow that's pretty much a metaphor for my entire day. Thanks.
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Sorry, didn't see the part of the nut getting rounded.
Go to your nearest tire/wheel garage and have them airhammer that bad lugnut off. Takes all of about 2 minutes.
In the future, find out what the factory torque is and stick with it, use a bit of antisieze grease on the threads as well. Don't worry, your wheels will not fall off.
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I hate it when that happens nothing more frustrating than not a stuck nut.
;)
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Originally posted by Sandman
See... it's not Karma. It's Khrysler. ;)
you sure it isnt chevy? :D
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I have laid alot of times under my old beetle.
my advice go to the garage let em balance ur wheels for 10 dollar or so and give em ur new bolts.
No fun without good tools.
As we say "a good tool is half the work".
:)
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Here's the way I have been doing those since I was 13.
Get something heavy, I use an 8 inch piece of keystock. but anything like a short fat punch. Place whatever you get on three sides of the nut and strike it sharply with your hammer. I use an 8 pound shop hammer. Hit it three or four times from each angle. Then put the 18mm socket on it and the impact should spin it right off.
Whizwheel
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All this talk of flames and nutbusters has my teenage brain confused, disoriented, and slightly scared....
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If you got such bad luck with cars, go out and get a bike instead! :lol;)
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flaming wd-40 is not nearly as effective as a 10 dollar burns-a-matic and way more dangerous. You might want to cut right to the solution instead of hacking your way into the emergency room. Just do the job right or take it somewhere and pay someone else.
Try this,
Penetrating oil
use the burns-a-matic to heat the lug then get a proper wrench on it quick. The heat will expand the nut faster than the lug.
These 2 will almost always work after a try or 2.
If you already destroyed the lug beyond use then either drill it off or go pay someone else to do it.
When you put it all back together use grease on the lugs to ensure you never have to waste this much time again on an unnecessary task.
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if you haven't solved it yet, go buy some PB Blaster spray the lugs and wait a few maybe two beers worth. then get a breaker bar and a lenght of 1-3/8" OD pipe (1-1/4") about 2-3' long. apply your 220lbs to it.