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Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Chairboy on July 20, 2005, 09:55:41 AM
I'd like to enter the following exhibit into evidence regarding the debate of dog/cat intelligence:

http://hallert.net/misc/dopeydoggy1236.wmv

For your enjoyment.
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: lasersailor184 on July 20, 2005, 10:11:07 AM
I wasn't even aware the people were wondering if dogs were smarter than cats...
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Mustaine on July 20, 2005, 10:14:01 AM
roflmao!!!

yup that's a dog alrighty :D
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Hangtime on July 20, 2005, 10:14:14 AM
LOL!!  

Imagine yer little kid taking an interest in Fido's dog toy. That mutt is deranged... or it's got a screen actors guild union card.

More stupid animal tricks:

(http://www.brassmonkeytaipei.com/jokes/bravendumb.jpg)
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Skuzzy on July 20, 2005, 10:16:15 AM
Warning:  That site will put about 23 tracking cookies in your browser.  Best run Adaware if you have clicked on it.

There is also some suspect ActiveX controls on that page.
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: GtoRA2 on July 20, 2005, 10:16:38 AM
Like anyone who has owned cats hasnt seen them do retarded ****. Like fall asleep on a curtain rod only to roll over in their sleep and fall 7 feet onto their head. Then repeat two times.
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: T0J0 on July 20, 2005, 10:22:21 AM
Cats are vile little animals, and should be hunted with the correct weaponry...A shotgun!

TJ
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Chairboy on July 20, 2005, 10:29:25 AM
Dogs are much easier to hunt.  Just throw something sharp to 'em and they'll catch it in their mouth.  For a slightly more complicated approach, just light a stick of dynamite (with a short fuse, important) and chuck it.  The dog will go and fetch it.  The short fuse is vital, anything too long and the dog may, as the urban legend goes, retrieve the dynamite and bring it back to your house/car.

I've read that in WWII, dogs in the Soviet Union were trained to run under tanks, then in combat, they attached satchel charges and had them execute their training on german Tigers & Panzers.

A cat?  It would spend its last minutes trying to remove the satchel charge, and if that failed, would just stay in the foxhole with the person who attached it, acting as if the weight of the world was on its shoulders.  This is assuming that the soldier is able to succesfully dodge the whirling flurry of claws and teeth that engage when the cats point defense system is activated.
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Skydancer on July 20, 2005, 10:32:50 AM
"Cats are vile little animals, and should be hunted with the correct weaponry..."  A DOG! :lol
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Hangtime on July 20, 2005, 10:39:43 AM
how your treat a cat may well affect your status in your next life.

hope you like mouse food.
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Hangtime on July 20, 2005, 10:52:47 AM
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Originally posted by Skydancer
"Cats are vile little animals, and should be hunted with the correct weaponry..."  A DOG! :lol


I saw the neighbors 60lb shepard tango with the neighborhood street tom.. the dog backed off after the second try. Never seen such a furious cat... found out why later. The Tom was a Mom, her kittens were under threat.

We got her kittens adopted and the 'tom' fixed and re-released. Mosta the neighbors feed her.. kinda a neighborhood hero, since the dog was rather unpopular for barking, hopping fences, flickin over garbage cans and chasing kids on bikes. The dog still gives that cat a wide berth in passing, and I'll never get within 50 feet of it again... catching it once was a memorable experience for both of us.
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Hawklore on July 20, 2005, 11:35:47 AM
Thats been around for almost a year on TV..

:rolleyes:
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Gunthr on July 20, 2005, 11:44:43 AM
apples and oranges
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Gunthr on July 20, 2005, 11:51:53 AM
I had a black lab pheasant huniting bird dog in MI for 17 years.  He was a "flusher", but so good.  And I really loved that dog b/4 I ended his life with a .38 cal in the fields he loved.  I killed 27 birds over that dog and I dream about him even today.

In my older years,  I appeciate cats who can live within a house.
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Skydancer on July 20, 2005, 12:17:04 PM
Why did you shoot your dog?

Not something I could do.

Dog person here. Bloody hate cats.
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: airguard on July 20, 2005, 12:23:03 PM
pretty easy cats owns their family, and the famlily owns their dog.
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: airguard on July 20, 2005, 12:25:13 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Skydancer
Why did you shoot your dog?

Not something I could do.

Dog person here. Bloody hate cats.


no need to shoot your dog when its sick or whatever there is vets. allover, be a man and do the right thing.

I am both a cat and dog man, love those animals both
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Chairboy on July 20, 2005, 12:25:14 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Skydancer
Why did you shoot your dog?

Quote
Originally posted by Gunthr
I had a black lab pheasant huniting bird dog in MI for 17 years.
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Furball on July 20, 2005, 12:27:03 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Skuzzy
Warning:  That site will put about 23 tracking cookies in your browser.  Best run Adaware if you have clicked on it.

There is also some suspect ActiveX controls on that page.


in future cant you put that warning above the link.... ?

thanks ;)
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Chairboy on July 20, 2005, 12:29:03 PM
Cookies is cookies is cookies, they're benign unless combined with personalized information and used by third parties (ala Doubleclick) to track movement across sites, otherwise, it's a non-starter to people who know the technology.
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: airguard on July 20, 2005, 12:29:50 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Skuzzy
Warning:  That site will put about 23 tracking cookies in your browser.  Best run Adaware if you have clicked on it.

There is also some suspect ActiveX controls on that page.


what a freaking site I just runned adware and spyboot thei removed about 22 after i had a clean yesterday.

stay out of it !!!!!
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Hangtime on July 20, 2005, 12:33:33 PM
Originally posted by Skydancer
Why did you shoot your dog?
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Originally posted by Gunthr
I had a black lab pheasant huniting bird dog in MI for 17 years.
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LOL!  reminds me of the blue collar tour.. "he passed away at 104"

Really? what he die of?

"NASCAR wreck"
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Chairboy on July 20, 2005, 12:47:00 PM
Here, I've hosted it on my site for the skittish/people who don't understand cookies:

http://hallert.net/misc/dopeydoggy1236.wmv

I really can't figure out the dumb 120 minute rule on editing your own messages.  This would have been a perfect opportunity to swap out my top link with this one, but now there's no way without breaking my perfect record of zero MP/Skuzzy edits.  

Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Skuzzy on July 20, 2005, 01:01:55 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Chairboy
Cookies is cookies is cookies, they're benign unless combined with personalized information and used by third parties (ala Doubleclick) to track movement across sites, otherwise, it's a non-starter to people who know the technology.
The site was not benign.  The ActiveX controls work in conjunction with the cookies to track more information after you leave the site.  It is quite possible for personal information to be gathered, the way this site has it organized.  However, I will not test that portion.

EDIT:  I replaced your original link Chairboy with the one in your new post.
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Maverick on July 20, 2005, 02:30:56 PM
It's a good idea to revise your settings on your computer folks. Simply refuse cookies (I have mine set to prompt and I reject almost all but from a couple sites) and I also have activ x prompted as well. I refuse that operation as well unless I know the site is benign.

As far as I am concerned there is no valid reason why I should give access to my system including it's history just to access a web site.
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Skuzzy on July 20, 2005, 02:34:25 PM
Blocking third party cookies will stop most, if not all the bad cookies.

I flat out disable ActiveX.  I look at it like this.  There is no reason a WEB site needs to use ActiveX to deliver content.  If it has to use ActiveX, then it is poorly written, not in accordance with W3C standards, and subject to all types of problems it could pass on to my computer.
ActiveX is evil and the root of most spyware/malware program propagation stems from ActiveX.
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Hawklore on July 20, 2005, 02:39:10 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Skuzzy
Warning:  That site will put about 23 tracking cookies in your browser.  Best run Adaware if you have clicked on it.

There is also some suspect ActiveX controls on that page.


Thanks skuz..
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Hawklore on July 20, 2005, 02:40:06 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Skuzzy
Blocking third party cookies will stop most, if not all the bad cookies.

I flat out disable ActiveX.  I look at it like this.  There is no reason a WEB site needs to use ActiveX to deliver content.  If it has to use ActiveX, then it is poorly written, not in accordance with W3C standards, and subject to all types of problems it could pass on to my computer.
ActiveX is evil and the root of most spyware/malware program propagation stems from ActiveX.


How do you disable activeX?
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: lasersailor184 on July 20, 2005, 02:41:34 PM
So Skuzzy, how do I turn off ActiveX?
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Skuzzy on July 20, 2005, 02:43:42 PM
Internet Explorer->Tools->Internet Options,

select the "Security" tab.  Select the "Internet" zone and hit the "Custom" button.  Scroll down and you will see it.

Might as well default the rest of the zones while you are here, after you turn off ActiveX.  Just select each of the zones and press the "Default" button to reset each zone to its unique security settings.

In the "Trusted" zone, you may have to add Microsoft so the auto updater will work.  Just select that zone, uncheck the requirement for secure connection, and enter '*.microsoft.com' and press the "Add" button.
This will allow Microsoft's WEB site to run under the "Trusted" zone.  You will see it in IE, lower right porting of status bar.
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Shane on July 20, 2005, 02:56:47 PM
i have active x set for "prompt" and i always deny unless it's some ***'d site that i want to use that "needs" it.
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Skuzzy on July 20, 2005, 03:02:51 PM
Shane, you could just put those sites in the trusted site zone, then you would not have to mess with it again.

Now, here is some irony for you.  ActiveX is the delivery mechanism of choice for most spyware/malware programs.  McAfee's Virus Scanner requires ActiveX to be enabled in order to run.  Also, Intuit's programs also require ActiveX to be enabled to use the updater.

Poor form.  Poor and lazy coding practices.
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Chairboy on July 20, 2005, 03:09:09 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Shane
i have active x set for "prompt" and i always deny unless it's some ***'d site that i want to use that "needs" it.
Shane has the right idea.  You get the security of not running activex unexpectedly with the flexibility to enable it on demand.  Skuzzy's approach gives little (if any) extra security unless it is to protect the user from making poor decisions.

In some ways, it may be less secure if, upon encountering a broken website of some sort, a user just turns off ALL security to get it to work instead of realizing it's that one component that's switched off that needs to be altered.

I've seen plenty of people just turn their firewall off to play games, for example, instead of creating specific rules.  Why?  Because it's easier, even though they are placing themselves at risk.  Is is the fault of the game?  Is it the fault of the user for installing the firewall?  Not really.  The root cause of the problem is the manufacturer of the firewall making it too restrictive at the cost of actual realized security.  

Another example of the above, when a company changes its security policy so that all passwords must look like abD!fF#098 (case sensitive) plus requires the user to change it every few weeks.  Actual security goes down because more and more users will resort to physically writing the password down on paper.

Just my $.02 based on years of experience in the computer security industry.
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Skuzzy on July 20, 2005, 04:15:19 PM
Actually Chairboy, IE gives you a warning about having ActiveX disabled when you hit a site that uses it and you have it disabled.
Most people find it friendlier and less chance of pressing the wrong button as there is no button to press.

I found most people will tire of the popup asking if it is ok or not and end up turning on ActiveX again to avoid the popup.
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Maverick on July 20, 2005, 07:13:47 PM
I use the prompt to confirm that the active-x is set to keep them from running. The prompt may be tedious but I like knowing the security is in place.
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Boroda on July 20, 2005, 08:06:13 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Chairboy
I've read that in WWII, dogs in the Soviet Union were trained to run under tanks, then in combat, they attached satchel charges and had them execute their training on german Tigers & Panzers.


My Father gave puppies from his dobermann ***** (female dog) to such a training school in 1941. Intelligent dogs were trained to drag anti-tank mines under the tracks of German tanks. Some of them made it up to 3-4 times. For blowing up 3 German tanks a human could earn a Golden Star of a Hero... But humans usually had to throw 4 grenades tied together onto a tank, with no chance to survive an explosion at a short distance :(
 
BTW, how do you expect a dog to detonate a charge under a tank?...
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Chairboy on July 20, 2005, 09:18:37 PM
Timer or magnetic fuze?  Burnng fuse?
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Hangtime on July 20, 2005, 09:25:41 PM
was the dog circumcised?
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Chairboy on July 20, 2005, 09:30:53 PM
Before?  dunno.  Afterwards?  Most certainly.
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Boroda on July 20, 2005, 09:38:41 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Hangtime
was the dog circumcised?


Isn't it a pure violence against animals?! PETA PETA PETA!!! :D

I am disappointed with Western "animal violence" attitude. I still can't imagine a Dobermann with uncut ears and, especially, with a long, rat-like tail :( That beautifull dogs don't deserve it. Tails are cut when they are blind, with an unsharpened knife. How about circumcision when human kids are still almost unconscious and will never remember it? Hang, I am all for good attitude for humans, after that we may try to care about some animals.

How about a Spaniel with a long tail? They have their tails cut because if they don't - they'll get wounded by sharp swamp grass. I had a Russian Spaniel, and he was absolutely happy with his short tail.
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Hangtime on July 20, 2005, 10:13:27 PM
LOL.. ok.. ok.. I killed the hamster when I was 5.. wasn't my fault the damn thing couldn't fly. Hell, I was 5; I thought reindeer could fly.. shoulda been no great feat fer a hamster.

In fact, it wasn't. It flew pretty good, considering. Couldn't land to save his ass.. literally.


(what's killin me here, is he still don't get it)
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Flit on July 20, 2005, 10:29:11 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Skuzzy
Warning:  That site will put about 23 tracking cookies in your browser.  Best run Adaware if you have clicked on it.

There is also some suspect ActiveX controls on that page.

 Got 20 myself... thanks for the heads-up :)
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Vulcan on July 20, 2005, 11:48:18 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Skuzzy
Actually Chairboy, IE gives you a warning about having ActiveX disabled when you hit a site that uses it and you have it disabled.
Most people find it friendlier and less chance of pressing the wrong button as there is no button to press.

I found most people will tire of the popup asking if it is ok or not and end up turning on ActiveX again to avoid the popup.


I have activex, and let my firewall sort out the messy stuff ;)
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: SaburoS on July 21, 2005, 01:00:10 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Skuzzy
Internet Explorer->Tools->Internet Options,

select the "Security" tab.  Select the "Internet" zone and hit the "Custom" button.  Scroll down and you will see it.

Might as well default the rest of the zones while you are here, after you turn off ActiveX.  Just select each of the zones and press the "Default" button to reset each zone to its unique security settings.

In the "Trusted" zone, you may have to add Microsoft so the auto updater will work.  Just select that zone, uncheck the requirement for secure connection, and enter '*.microsoft.com' and press the "Add" button.
This will allow Microsoft's WEB site to run under the "Trusted" zone.  You will see it in IE, lower right porting of status bar.


Skuzzy,
Is it possible for you to post that as a sticky?
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Skuzzy on July 21, 2005, 07:31:18 AM
I added a more detailed write-up to the "More Hints and Tips" post in the Technical Support forum.
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Ripsnort on July 21, 2005, 07:52:59 AM
I sometimes question the ability of dogs to actually think things out in advance:

(http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL767/2726312/7109603/105322258.jpg)
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Maverick on July 21, 2005, 09:02:37 AM
What part of porkupine didn't that dog understand?!?!?!

Did that dog survive? It looks like the same kind of dog that Patton had.
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Chairboy on July 21, 2005, 09:19:17 AM
It's like Spuds McKenzie attacked Sonic the Hedgehog...   How many gold rings do you think beating THIS level boss is worth?
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: indy007 on July 21, 2005, 09:47:36 AM
That dog obviously uses the Arturo Gatti approach to fighting by leading with its face.
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: lasersailor184 on July 21, 2005, 10:42:16 AM
Elegant proof that cats ARE better than dogs.
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Hawklore on July 21, 2005, 09:24:21 PM
Should I post a picture of a cat that comitted suicide?

:p

Dogs don't commit suicide, cats do.
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: SaburoS on July 22, 2005, 12:28:57 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Skuzzy
I added a more detailed write-up to the "More Hints and Tips" post in the Technical Support forum.


Thanks!
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: SLO on July 22, 2005, 10:24:59 AM
you cannot equate Survival to Intelligence...

hence the Dog vs. Cat question is stupid.
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Hangtime on July 22, 2005, 10:27:32 AM
enh?

Hows that again?
Title: Dog vs. Cat intelligence
Post by: Ripsnort on July 23, 2005, 07:38:23 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Maverick
What part of porkupine didn't that dog understand?!?!?!

Did that dog survive? It looks like the same kind of dog that Patton had.


Don't know about that one....this one was just in the news this morning though!
http://www.komotv.com/stories/38135.htm