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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: FALCONWING on July 20, 2005, 10:08:33 AM
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well ive been flying for 9 years now and my motto has always been loyalty. I stayed with aol aw thru all its convulutions and finally ended the day it ended and the squad (Birds of Prey) moved here to ah. We were always bz there and so when we showed up bish and the bish needed help we agreed to the designation. There are only two rules in the squad as anyone who has been it can share with you....1) Have fun 2) Never country jump...a squaddie who country jumps may not rejoin. We have busted arse to help the bish. We recruit guys who fly missions with us. we are perhaps the largest squad with 5 wings and over 80 members so we have been accused of hording.
UNfortunately i have reached a point where the game is not fun. I would have quit 3 years ago except for my friends, both bish and my squaddies. What has been happening is the bish have lost 4 sqauds to knits and rooks over the last 4 weeks. I suspect we will lose more....the numbers last night were 90 bish 180 knits and 157 rooks...the rooks had no eny and the knits were about 15. I could care less about perks...having a perk bonus while your vulched is useless. I know there will be good nights and bad nights but i have nonstop defended and porked for about 3 weeks to try and slow our reset down. I have had enuf...i hope hitech or the squad leaders will resolve this imbalance becuz i cant see it is good for the game. i dont mind being ganged from time to time but this is brutal.
If you care about this game you should fix it...my generation (thirty somethings) are the last group who will give a crap about ww2. lose a bunch of us now and the game will continue to spiral in numbers.
I know from other posts ihave read that some will make fun of us not jumping as well. That is our loyalty and honor...not to impune others...its just how we choose to play the game.
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Bish and BoPs who read this....i am not quitting so no worries. Il be aloongside yas each night as before
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I guess clearafication to how many compose a horde would be the next question.
Its your squad and you determine how to effectively deploy it.
If you have 25 to 50 squadies on that night and feel you need that many to grab a base, go for it!
The accuser is always on the loosing end of the battle.
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ROFLMAO
welcome to how the Knits felt the last year, with the bish/rook
horde pounding us everyday all day.
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Well perhaps my memory is selective but i cant remember a time when the knights didnt have numbers....i also cant name any knight squads that jumped to bish in over a year. Please enlighten me if you knpow any squads that switched?? Also i never posted before when bish were ganged but had even numbers??? We can usually hold our own with even numbers..i dont acre so much about ganging....but 4 squads less is 4 less bases we can cover and inevitable reset short of porkfest every night. the numbers are so far off im sure there are bish that logoff soon after they log on..or jump
i miss the old old aw where you didnt base take...then you could fighter or buff or tank as you wished and numbers were not as important as skills. you didnt want to meet my p38 in the air back then =0
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Well Falconwing, all I can say is that if the numbers are really turning lopsided against the Bish for a number of days and people start to notice a pattern, I'm sure some people (myself included) will start flying for you more often to help balance it.
As of right now I'm Rook as it seems they've had, on average, less people at US prime time. But if this changes, so will I.
Hang in there, and just think of it as a different sort of challenge. It can really be a blast fighting for the underdog once in awhile too.
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
Well perhaps my memory is selective but i cant remember a time when the knights didnt have numbers....
LOL, you dont remember that the whole reason we have the ENY limiter thing in the first place is all the whines about Rook numbers a year ago? Howls of "Rook hordes!!! The world is ending!!" You also notice you never hear the Rooks complaining if they dont have numbers?
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if you can name a rook or knit squad that has jumped and stayed bish pls let me know. off the top of my head i can name AK's, black knights, s.e.'s, sobs, rowdy rebels, regulators, Dow as squads that have jumped in last year to year and a half. there are prob more. if anyone can name a squad of size that has moved bish pls let me know. and to be honest i dont think those guys jumped becuz they hate the bish....but if you cant see we have been ganged for over a year and longer whatever the numbers were....then so be it....but it wears guys downa dn they move to where it is easier. i think the ak's were the only squad i know that jumped becuz they moved to a more difficult country
aks...i can respect that
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
If you care about this game you should fix it...my generation (thirty somethings) are the last group who will give a crap about ww2. lose a bunch of us now and the game will continue to spiral in numbers.
right, because you're the only ones who enjoy history.
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
but i cant remember a time when the knights didnt have numbers..
:lol
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
if you can name a rook or knit squad that has jumped and stayed bish pls let me know. off the top of my head i can name AK's, black knights, s.e.'s, sobs, rowdy rebels, regulators, Dow as squads that have jumped in last year to year and a half. there are prob more. if anyone can name a squad of size that has moved bish pls let me know. and to be honest i dont think those guys jumped becuz they hate the bish....but if you cant see we have been ganged for over a year and longer whatever the numbers were....then so be it....but it wears guys downa dn they move to where it is easier. i think the ak's were the only squad i know that jumped becuz they moved to a more difficult country aks...i can respect that
Im trying to understand what you're trying to say. Have you seen the Damned go anywhere? Do you actually think the knits are any better or the rooks? Just cause they have a few more people up doesn't mean they're any better. You guys have the most targets of anyone. Why would you whine about that? I'm ashamed that a guy who's professed to have flown 9 years can't deal with uneven numbers. I gather you must have been an RR dweeb too? No offense but learn to deal with it.
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The Damned
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lol yes i was a rr dweeb...i guess not having money and flying with a fr of 8 becuz i had no money back then would qualify me as one. Hell i couldnt even land. first time i loaded the game, on my computer at work i thought it wqas broken becuz everything moved so fast.
but you know what i played the game becuz i loved it so much. for you guys who arent old enuf there was a time when dogfiting on atari was the best you could get. AW was a dream come true and guys like me paid $2 an hour!!! just to experience it...then it went free thank god.
Not sure what you mean about your squad??? i think squads should stay put...imbalances the game whenone jumps of any size??
Hehe you do make me giggle when you think fr is true flying tho....dont tell too many of your friends your a real pilot ok?
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I have to say..C HAWKS were Cz from the start in AW hence the name "C" Hawks. And Knights since we started in AH. 15 1/2 years now and we never country jumped. So I know how you feel. From that perspective, the Knights were heavily outnumbered for months at a time to the point that several of our squaddies felt just as you do now.
The AKs jumped to Knight during one of those periods when we were getting constantly pounded as a matter of fact. Now they are somewhere else.
It will continue to cycle as it always has. Then a knight or rook will be making this post as you are now. But it won't be me ;)
Those big red dar bars are like a buglight to a mosquito for me:D
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I'll be one of those that will switch to bish when it gets out of whack.
I hate to break it to ya Falcn, but every side has gone through this, it isn't new nor limited to the bish.
Do something irritating to make a statement like take your entire squad of 50-80 guys and up 262s or Temps and people will take the hint (having 262 cost under 100 perks is a nice bonus).
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Isn't this a reason why HT started ENY? When 1 country gets too many ppl the ENY limiter kicks in and HT wants ppl to switch sides. That or log off.
I think the 1st of Sept the DOW will rotate to Rook.
SCDR
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UNfortunately i have reached a point where the game is not fun. I would have quit 3 years ago except for my friends, both bish and my squaddies. What has been happening is the bish have lost 4 sqauds to knits and rooks over the last 4 weeks. I suspect we will lose more....the numbers last night were 90 bish 180 knits and 157 rooks...the rooks had no eny and the knits were about 15. I could care less about perks...having a perk bonus while your vulched is useless. I know there will be good nights and bad nights but i have nonstop defended and porked for about 3 weeks to try and slow our reset down. I have had enuf...i hope hitech or the squad leaders will resolve this imbalance becuz i cant see it is good for the game. i dont mind being ganged from time to time but this is brutal. If you care about this game you should fix it...my generation (thirty somethings) are the last group who will give a crap about ww2. lose a bunch of us now and the game will continue to spiral in numbers. I know from other posts ihave read that some will make fun of us not jumping as well. That is our loyalty and honor...not to impune others...its just how we choose to play the game.
That just sounds like a damn fun and targetrich environment to me! Very jelous of bish lately. I change countries a little now and then since I had being in the country with high numbers. Sucks to have few targets.
And as for your generation being the last that gives a crap about WW2 history/planes era etc, you couldn't be more wrong.
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Originally posted by Delirium
[.I hate to break it to ya Falcn, but every side has gone through this, it isn't new nor limited to the bish.
No, i play for 3-4 years, but i can't remember any side out# soo bad like we{bish} are now, evenings 9-10pm ET, we have 80-90 players vs 170-180 rooks/knits,
And those 80-90 half are nobs sending "join msgs" when im in tower, shooting frienslys,escorting CVs in PTs, defending HQ in M8s
Falc is right, is not fun anymore, can't find fun fights, werever you go are horde jumping on me or vulching,
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I hate it for ya Falcwng, but did you ever stop and think about why the other squads are leaving bishland? The Regulators started to rotate about a year ago, but the last time we flew bish we found most of them to be rude & unhelpfull. Everyone in my squad were dead set agains flying bish from that point on. The next tour we flew nits. They have alot of good people , but again when you needed help, none was found. Heck even Whels was screamin for help , but no nit would help him. Now the rooks will help if you ask for it. You may have to ask a few times, but someone will come along and help you out. Just my 2 cents:cool:
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>>Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose.
~Janis Joplin~ '67
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Er wouldn't that be Kris Kristofferson who wrote those words?
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
Well perhaps my memory is selective but i cant remember a time when the knights didnt have numbers....i also cant name any knight squads that jumped to bish in over a year. Please enlighten me if you knpow any squads that switched?? Also i never posted before when bish were ganged but had even numbers??? We can usually hold our own with even numbers..i dont acre so much about ganging....but 4 squads less is 4 less bases we can cover and inevitable reset short of porkfest every night. the numbers are so far off im sure there are bish that logoff soon after they log on..or jump
i miss the old old aw where you didnt base take...then you could fighter or buff or tank as you wished and numbers were not as important as skills. you didnt want to meet my p38 in the air back then =0
Dirty fokkers did for a span of about 3 months or more I think.
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Originally posted by Grits
LOL, you dont remember that the whole reason we have the ENY limiter thing in the first place is all the whines about Rook numbers a year ago? Howls of "Rook hordes!!! The world is ending!!" You also notice you never hear the Rooks complaining if they dont have numbers?
No. But then Rooks will horde no matter how low their numbers are. They just do it at fewer bases. :)
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
my generation (thirty somethings) are the last group who will give a crap about ww2. lose a bunch of us now and the game will continue to spiral in numbers.
i disagree completely.
buh bye and good luck.
git. ;)
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
No. But then Rooks will horde no matter how low their numbers are. They just do it at fewer bases. :)
I know, but pretty much all I do is defend so I dont get to see the Rook hordes very often (and all countries have them). :)
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I have posted at length on this topic in the past. I will not repeat myself. But, the simple fact is each country has a predominance of character and attitude which greatly effects both its method and its appeal. As others have alluded to there is a definate cycle with regard to numerical disparities. Those on Bish who think they have it worse now than anyone prior are either new, ignorant or dellusional.
So, accept that your team will go thru cycles of being badly outnumbered. You have a choice; 1) either adapt to the changing situations accordingly as others in your predicament have done in the past avoiding the poisonous defeatist attitude, 2) pack it in and log off or 3) switch countries and become part of the problem. It seems to me from my observations the majority of Bishops have tended toward the latter two options. That is not to say that Bishops are ALL fair weather flyers, but by and large that is a prevalent characteristic.
Having flown Bishops in the recent past (when their numbers were on par with the other 2 countries) I made several general observations which distinguish them from the other two countries.
1) Alot of noobs.
2) Alot of kids.
3) Alot of armchair generals coercing people into joining their missions with accusations of being un-partiotic or traitorous if they choose not to.
4) Alot of quitters; they tend to throw in the towel quickly if they are getting overmatched, especially in furballs and static base defense situations.
5) Bishops generally tend to greatly over-emphasize the land-grab aspect of the game over the 'have-fun' and kick-butt in tenacious fighter battles aspect of the game (furballing), making Bishops rather unappealing to your better fighter pilots.
So, you may or may not agree with those points, some can be readily changed and some cannot. But, the simple and harsh fact is unless some effort is put forth by those committed to the Bish cause to change your lack of numbers, the apparent source for grief, will not be assuaged.
If squads are leaving Bishland after being Bish for years, don't blame them, blame yourselves. Moving a squadron requires a high degree of consensus and usually multiple catalysts. If people/squadrons are leaving Bishland in droves that should send up a HUGE warning flag. Obviously, there are several aspects of being Bishops PRIOR to you simply being outnumbered that precipitated their moving (see my list above).
Zazen
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Seems a bit silly to me to stay loyal to an empty virtual country :rolleyes:
Becoming part of the problem by switching also seems like a viable step to solve the problem. I'm sure that something will change when nobody flies Bish anymore ;)
And for your information...those that have played AH from the beginning can assure you that all countries have gone through a phase like this (knits and rooks have been on the receiving end long time years ago)
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you know what is funny...my squad and i flew for bish a few months back now...then we started to catch crap from the bish we was fighting along side about "spy" this and some other crap that....ya da ya da ya da...so we left.
when people or squads do jump sides to help even out, the same country asking for help, gives those guys crap? :confused:
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We are truly sorry for your not having fun, and we shall do the very thing you deplore -- namely switching virtual countries -- in order to satisfy you. Again, please accept our humblest and sincerest apologies for negatively impacting your gameplay experience by flying how we want and with whom we want.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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when severely outnumbered you must change tactics.. going head to head with the horde is suicide.
when the rooks got a piece a year or two ago the numbers were as you described but worse in the fact that that campaign went on for a half of year or more..
day in day out.. half of your country collapses (in 10 minutes at times sometimes leaving you 3 bases deep in enemy territory etc.. fun stuff..)
We had to adapt our tactics.. for one i felt no remorse flying the g10 under the circumstances and killing people in it.. and as such we adapted our tactics to just that.. fly latewar (fast) and more importantly disrupt the enemy's climbout as much as possible.. this means flying to wherever the enemy is upping from, either solo or with a wingman; and your whole purpose is to lower the enemy's alt with slashing attacks.. channel 1 (now 200) heckling thereafter and some more slashing attacks..
This would lower enemy attack alt (and morale when they start getting their k/d raped by our high alt vulching routine) at your defensive base by a average 3-4k ft when bad guys reach the target area allowing what few friendlies you have to mount a effective defense..
(10k - 3to4 k = effective defense... aka 6-7k attack alt..)
it was rather amusing to watch big pig planes (38 / 47's) dump all their ord after 1-2 passes on them.. and the brave ones who kept it on would usually bite the bullet after a quick saddle or blow all their alt/e to avoid you.. you then wep away to higher alts for safety and repeat over and over until they drive you out.. which is usually multiples trying climb on you then corner you... way i see it if they are coming after me great they are not pilliging my base with bombs.. (and these were the old days, fuel porkage was rampant.. hence entire war fronts would collapse in 10 mins.)
if your team the bish would dispatch 2-4 fighters to each attacking airfield you might be surprised how much disruption you can cause to a attack conga..maybe enough to stall resets for 4-8hrs even against worse odds then you describe (we did it as rooks)
also look at it like this, almost every vet of the "Rook Invasion" can smoke 95% of the other pilots in this arena in a best of ten due to the chaos and mismatch you describe.. we were baptised by fire... instead of quiting we got pissed off and organised because the alternative was getting our arse handed to us day in day out.. we chose to fight instead... where do you think the rook tactical ops nights were spawned from..
DoctorYo
PS: if the numbers continue slide against the BISH im shure some vets will gravitate to the target rich enviroment..(i would, bish still suck though
:p die bish die... i just dont think its at critical mass just yet.. )
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Falconwing and any other person that is tired or burned out with the Main Arena need to just get involved in the Special Events Arena. Without the Special Events Arena I would have phased out my flying long ago. Now I actually schedule my online time to attend the many Special Events offered, and my online time has been much more rewarding. Check out this link for all the events.
http://events.hitechcreations.com/squadops/index.php
I would recommend Extreme Racing on Tuesday nights at 10:00 pm Eastern, and for the whole squad, The Squad Ops. event on Friday Nights 11:00 pm Eastern. Make room for these special events, and you will be richly rewarded. Look for the monthly KOTH event too. Lots of fun there.
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I have posted at length on this topic in the past. I will not repeat myself. But, the simple fact is each country has a predominance of character and attitude which greatly effects both its method and its appeal. As others have alluded to there is a definate cycle with regard to numerical disparities. Those on Bish who think they have it worse now than anyone prior are either new, ignorant or dellusional.
So, accept that your team will go thru cycles of being badly outnumbered. You have a choice; 1) either adapt to the changing situations accordingly as others in your predicament have done in the past avoiding the poisonous defeatist attitude, 2) pack it in and log off or 3) switch countries and become part of the problem. It seems to me from my observations the majority of Bishops have tended toward the latter two options. That is not to say that Bishops are ALL fair weather flyers, but by and large that is a prevalent characteristic.
Having flown Bishops in the recent past (when their numbers were on par with the other 2 countries) I made several general observations which distinguish them from the other two countries.
1) Alot of noobs.
2) Alot of kids.
3) Alot of armchair generals coercing people into joining their missions with accusations of being un-partiotic or traitorous if they choose not to.
4) Alot of quitters; they tend to throw in the towel quickly if they are getting overmatched, especially in furballs and static base defense situations.
5) Bishops generally tend to greatly over-emphasize the land-grab aspect of the game over the 'have-fun' and kick-butt in tenacious fighter battles aspect of the game (furballing), making Bishops rather unappealing to your better fighter pilots.
So, you may or may not agree with those points, some can be readily changed and some cannot. But, the simple and harsh fact is unless some effort is put forth by those committed to the Bish cause to change your lack of numbers, the apparent source for grief, will not be assuaged.
If squads are leaving Bishland after being Bish for years, don't blame them, blame yourselves. Moving a squadron requires a high degree of consensus and usually multiple catalysts. If people/squadrons are leaving Bishland in droves that should send up a HUGE warning flag. Obviously, there are several aspects of being Bishops PRIOR to you simply being outnumbered that precipitated their moving (see my list above).
Zazen
OMG i need dr korvoken I agree with zazan
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Originally posted by Grits
[BYou also notice you never hear the Rooks complaining if they dont have numbers? [/B]
I think it's time to replace those batteries in that hearing aid.
ack-ack
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Dunno what the main force of Bish pile-its are, but when I'm on they generally have the better quality guys flying. I find much better fights hunting in Bishland than vs Rooks. Of course the fact that nearly every Rook I find alone tends to turn and run screaming like a scared little girl after no more than 2 passes, until he finds 3 or 4 of his buddies to help him out, might have something to do with my opinion.
You can call it squad tactics or whatever else you want, I just think its kinda funny when I'm the only enemy con for 2 sectors and 5 or 6 of them have to pile in like they've gone months without a kill. If I did ever decide to hop countries, Bish would be the only ones I would consider helping.
Thats not to say there arent some really good sticks on the Rook side, there are. Some good guys too. Its just hard to find them for all the little pirahna-spits.
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
if you can name a rook or knit squad that has jumped and stayed bish pls let me know. off the top of my head i can name AK's, black knights, s.e.'s, sobs, rowdy rebels, regulators, Dow as squads that have jumped in last year to year and a half. there are prob more. if anyone can name a squad of size that has moved bish pls let me know. and to be honest i dont think those guys jumped becuz they hate the bish....but if you cant see we have been ganged for over a year and longer whatever the numbers were....then so be it....but it wears guys downa dn they move to where it is easier. i think the ak's were the only squad i know that jumped becuz they moved to a more difficult country aks...i can respect that
The 479th FG (21 active members) moved to Bishland after we got tired of the Knight numbers and hord mentality before Christmas and have stayed ever since then with no plans on moving anytime soon.
ack-ack
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imop,it's HTC bussines to provide customers satisfactions keeping teams even, or losse players, and waste money in avertising .
ENY is too soft doesn't work at this unbalanced numbers in MA.
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Originally posted by Zazen13
3) Alot of armchair generals coercing people into joining their missions with accusations of being un-partiotic or traitorous if they choose not to.
We have missions?
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I bet I could search the BBs and find at least 2 of these threads started by a member of each country within the past 2 years....
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I have posted at length on this topic in the past. I will not repeat myself. But, the simple fact is each country has a predominance of character and attitude which greatly effects both its method and its appeal. As others have alluded to there is a definate cycle with regard to numerical disparities. Those on Bish who think they have it worse now than anyone prior are either new, ignorant or dellusional.
So, accept that your team will go thru cycles of being badly outnumbered. You have a choice; 1) either adapt to the changing situations accordingly as others in your predicament have done in the past avoiding the poisonous defeatist attitude, 2) pack it in and log off or 3) switch countries and become part of the problem. It seems to me from my observations the majority of Bishops have tended toward the latter two options. That is not to say that Bishops are ALL fair weather flyers, but by and large that is a prevalent characteristic.
Having flown Bishops in the recent past (when their numbers were on par with the other 2 countries) I made several general observations which distinguish them from the other two countries.
1) Alot of noobs.
2) Alot of kids.
3) Alot of armchair generals coercing people into joining their missions with accusations of being un-partiotic or traitorous if they choose not to.
4) Alot of quitters; they tend to throw in the towel quickly if they are getting overmatched, especially in furballs and static base defense situations.
5) Bishops generally tend to greatly over-emphasize the land-grab aspect of the game over the 'have-fun' and kick-butt in tenacious fighter battles aspect of the game (furballing), making Bishops rather unappealing to your better fighter pilots.
So, you may or may not agree with those points, some can be readily changed and some cannot. But, the simple and harsh fact is unless some effort is put forth by those committed to the Bish cause to change your lack of numbers, the apparent source for grief, will not be assuaged.
If squads are leaving Bishland after being Bish for years, don't blame them, blame yourselves. Moving a squadron requires a high degree of consensus and usually multiple catalysts. If people/squadrons are leaving Bishland in droves that should send up a HUGE warning flag. Obviously, there are several aspects of being Bishops PRIOR to you simply being outnumbered that precipitated their moving (see my list above).
Zazen
LOL, my god...what a pedantic load of crap:)
shamus
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Rooks were constantly in the bucket back in 2002 when I quit AH. I know how you feel and I know it sucks hard to be ganged day in day out. Even though I managed to keep 4:1 k/d average flying against the odds it got old, fast.
I can only wonder how it feels to a less than average pilot who has trouble surviving at an advantage.
I've returned to AH since (very lately I might add) and find the game enjoyable again. Numbers are much more even than they used to be and I'm almost getting to the point of wife ack again with 50 or so played hours this month.
Feels like I play a lot - but those guys who hit 100 hours already really have no life outside AH. No wonder they whine / brag about kills. :rolleyes: :D :D
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I remember the Knights getting stomped every Sunday night to the rook nights out ( or whatever it was called). Actually it was kind of fun at the end as all the knights were taking off from a few bases. You got to fly with people you didn't normaly see defending. And some of the big names here used to be good defenders. They'd up capped fields when it got tough, and land 5 and 6 kills. "Target rich environment" I guess. I've been all 3 and I see good guys and dweebs on all sides. I honestly couldn't characterize countries as some have said. Without a label, I couldn't tell who I was flying for.
I jumped rooks because knights have too many, and I'm always losing my spit as a knight. What a difference a few months makes eh knights? Knights used to be outnumbered a LOT.
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So, is my Chronology right here?
2002- Bish hordes are dominating the arena. Bish always seem to have numbers.
2003/4- RJO instituted to control Bish hordes. Massive side switching on Sundays leads to Rook hordes dominating the arena.
2005- ENY limiter appears, somehow Knights manage to get numbers?
I don't know about the last part as I haven't been in the MA for a few months, but really it's just a matter of which country is dominate at the moment. Try to look back when your boys were the caboos on the man train.
-Sik
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So, is my Chronology right here?
2002- Bish hordes are dominating the arena. Bish always seem to have numbers.
2003/4- RJO instituted to control Bish hordes. Massive side switching on Sundays leads to Rook hordes dominating the arena.
2005- ENY limiter appears, somehow Knights manage to get numbers?
I don't know about the last part as I haven't been in the MA for a few months, but really it's just a matter of which country is dominate at the moment. Try to look back when your boys were the caboos on the man train.
-Sik
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im not trying to have any one country to dominate...hell if HT would do away with reset and limit base taking to say all but 12 bases....then the basetakers and hordes could have their fun but eventually the fiter pilots would be able to fly as well. im telling you guys that i wish you all had flown back in aw aol...there was no basetaking and the incentive was for the sides ot be even becuz the fites were better. give the buff pilots strats to hit with good points and get them off the bases. i never felt frustrated until the basetaking began. i give ht props for figuring out that you can reset with 6 bases left becuz you havent known frustration until you had only 2 bases left and they both capped...this game should be fun for all...makes no sense for any country to be ganged. get the eny together please...other night 180 knits..157 rooks..90 bish....knit eny 15...rook 0???? that evens out crap...
im watching the numbers dwindle each year...remeber when the ma was full all the time and you had to wait to get in??? now we under 400 most primetime. from what you guys are posting this prob has existed for years...sorry if i never noticed becuz i thought the arena seemed more even...but it should have been fixed then.
FIX IT NOW!!! this is a ww2 flight/fight sim....screw the dumb fr killing trees and pretty cockpits and make the game more fun!!! enuf gv bases pls!!!! get us fiter bases and space to fight. when did ww2 air forces take bases?????:mad:
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
im watching the numbers dwindle each year...remeber when the ma was full all the time and you had to wait to get in???
No, I don't. But then I've only been here since 2001.
It's not that the "problem" has been here for years as much as some of us haven't seen it as much of a problem.
-Sik
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
I think it's time to replace those batteries in that hearing aid.
LOL, I meant on the BBS, every country has whiners ingame.
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im telling you guys that i wish you all had flown back in aw aol...there was no basetaking
I remember when base taking in AW was first introduced. That's when a fine flight sim degenerated into hording and land grabbing. That situation spawned the exact same set of arguments we are seeing now. It's the same with WB too.
AW did manage to limit the "capture the flag" hording in the FR arena: Each country had some untakeable airfields, so you could always take off and resist. And part of some of the maps was designated as "Fighter town" where fighter pilots could furball to their hearts' content. Maybe Aces High could use some ideas like that.
For what it is worth, falconwing, I remember you from way back then. No one who has ever flown against you would dare suggest that you were/are a dweeb under any circumstances. I remember killin you once, and you deserved it too, ya bastage! Then you went and spoiled my only victory over you by saluting me on the public channel. So a big to you, and your post too.
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Originally posted by eh
For what it is worth, falconwing, I remember you from way back then. No one who has ever flown against you would dare suggest that you were/are a dweeb under any circumstances. I remember killin you once, and you deserved it too, ya bastage! Then you went and spoiled my only victory over you by saluting me on the public channel. So a big to you, and your post too.
I flew back then in FR and yeah he's a dweeb.
That aside you never know what HTC and crew might come up with next. For all we know B-29's and nukes! :) If yer country gets to short of folks you get nukes so you can send em back into the stone age. And maybe after that we can get the Atomic Cannon for those GV lovers!
yeah that's it....yeah.....:rofl
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Ren
The Damned
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^Falc,
Being a BOP with you in AW was a blast and I'm grateful for my positive experiences with the squads I've been in.
I'm glad you're not leaving. Getting pissy about the game is part of the game.
Take a break. Drink more tequila. Learn a new plane. Drink more tequila. Help some newbies. Drink more tequila.
I miss 6o'hi.
HONK!
^Goos
(Check six)
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Originally posted by killnu
you know what is funny...my squad and i flew for bish a few months back now...then we started to catch crap from the bish we was fighting along side about "spy" this and some other crap that....ya da ya da ya da...so we left.
when people or squads do jump sides to help even out, the same country asking for help, gives those guys crap? :confused:
Just know the Cactus Air Force and other Rook squadrons appreciate all the times you have saved our azzes, and vice versa Killn.
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Karaya
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LTAR is most definately a delightful bunch, we play for the Knights and have never moved to one of the other countries. The Knights always get along perfectly, taking turns on a target careful not tot get a kill-shooter. Wait our turn at the snack bar, we don't cut in line or use any foul or abusive language.
It's usually a tea party in the Knights camp as we all continue to strive for excellence and purity amoung the masses. We completely understand why you might feel just a bit gaurded about the decay of the Bishops and thier struggles to gain independence for the over-powering forces.
We don't know what it will take to help these poor souls, we would hope there is a light at the end of the tunnel, even if it's a worn out pen light stolen from a Doctors office.
Same goes for that group called the Rooks. No one really knows why the Rooks are they way they are. Their just there, hanging on day after day, fight after fight.
Maybe it was their upbringing? Maybe it's because all the other countries constantly pick on them and now it's taking a toll? Maybe they got their lunch money stolen again
No one really knows, it's just the way things are. I honestly believe it's because their made to fly around in those silly little planes with that Rook symbol above their heads. Kind of like having to wear a dunce hat. Oh well I guess some things are better left to sort themselves out rather than to start medaling into someone's affairs.
Well, gotta run the Knights are having another benefit dinner BBQ for all the Nit squads that have donated so much of their time become a better class of human and game player!
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Gotta love that guy. :rofl
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first of all..this is not an argument or even some one stating facts
Falcon..Your wrong..exagerating..or lying
To even try and say.."Knights have always had numbers"
i so much BS ..im holding back
You must not play often
THIS IS A FACT...ALL COUNTRYS HAVE HAD TIMES OF LO NUMBERS
If you cant finally deal with changing your flying style.......Whaa
You just now have been getting ganged?..pffftftf..llolololololmfao
being ganged so many times has made me a dam good 1 vs 3+ ftr
AND!!!!..this is even more like REAL war Times..You dont always have superior numbers..or even
wow...i feel like slaping you for saying "Kinghts always had numbers"
I have fought back so many bish-rook scum coming at us in Double Red bar Sectrs it makes me sick thinking about it
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yanno, 95% of the time i'll be found not only on the side with lowest #'s but also in the sector with most slobberdonkeys.
but then i don't give a rat's bellybutton about "the war." i'm not saying the war doesn't have it's purpose, but... you gotta learn to find the battles that while you may not win, at least you'll have fun fighting.
once you see past the forest and spot the trees you'll have a much less ulcerated time in-game.
castrati are as castrati do.
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I agree with falcnwng here. You guys may call us whiners, but it does get kinda tiring
when everytime you up you got atleast 3-5 guys wanting to kill you. Yeah there isnt supposed to be 1v1 fights, but it just seems that like we're always outnumbered. Knits have most numbers. Then goes the rooks. Then the underdogs bish. couple days ago knits had 170 people rooks 140 bish 90 and knits eny was only 14.7. Something needs to be changed. Also couple days ago i seen rooks and knits at a bish field attacking it. Did they attack each other? Some did, some didnt. I myself remember being double teamed by a knit and a rook. Kinda weird if ya ask me. O.o
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Originally posted by GreenCloud
first of all..this is not an argument or even some one stating facts
Falcon..Your wrong..exagerating..or lying
To even try and say.."Knights have always had numbers"
i so much BS ..im holding back
You must not play often
THIS IS A FACT...ALL COUNTRYS HAVE HAD TIMES OF LO NUMBERS
If you cant finally deal with changing your flying style.......Whaa
You just now have been getting ganged?..pffftftf..llolololololmfao
being ganged so many times has made me a dam good 1 vs 3+ ftr
AND!!!!..this is even more like REAL war Times..You dont always have superior numbers..or even
wow...i feel like slaping you for saying "Kinghts always had numbers"
I have fought back so many bish-rook scum coming at us in Double Red bar Sectrs it makes me sick thinking about it
Is this enough facts for you? (http://www.the-ones.org/jetsfilms/eny.JPG)
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Think I will move to bish again for a few hours tonight, sounds like way too much fun.
The reason I chose Knits in the first place was that they were underdogs and 332nd mongrels went knits due to this reason.
Of course, times change.
Falconwing, the game has been built up around base taking, it's a part of the game, a damn fun part and even though I seldom do it I wouldn't wanna see it go away. If it did go away I might go away too.
As for bish being gangbanged, yeah you've had low numbers but I don't think you see anything else even though it may be there.
The other night I was alone as knit in a sector vs Bish, fighting off bish mission of about 15 P47's and a bunch of buffs together with a few other targets.
Bish may very well be getting gang banged but you're doing alot of gang banging aswell, chose your areas like shane says, chose your fights if you're tired of the gangbang. I am quite sure all the 50 bish (when very very low numbers) aren't spread out in 50 sectors.
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Originally posted by Wilbus
Think I will move to bish again for a few hours tonight, sounds like way too much fun.
The reason I chose Knits in the first place was that they were underdogs and 332nd mongrels went knits due to this reason.
Of course, times change.
Falconwing, the game has been built up around base taking, it's a part of the game, a damn fun part and even though I seldom do it I wouldn't wanna see it go away. If it did go away I might go away too.
As for bish being gangbanged, yeah you've had low numbers but I don't think you see anything else even though it may be there.
The other night I was alone as knit in a sector vs Bish, fighting off bish mission of about 15 P47's and a bunch of buffs together with a few other targets.
Bish may very well be getting gang banged but you're doing alot of gang banging aswell, chose your areas like shane says, chose your fights if you're tired of the gangbang. I am quite sure all the 50 bish (when very very low numbers) aren't spread out in 50 sectors.
Indeed it was winging up going to base in some ki's and kiking some booty :) good flying wil!
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first to bgbmaw....you barely merit this reply but i will say that bish have been ganged as long as i remember...and yes we didnot always have low numbers to go along with it but we always fought higher numbers. im not sure if there is a way to see how many times each country won and lost. since you are the nerd pls enlighten me and lets go back and see over the last year how things have stacked up. as for me i am a lala dweeb simply becuz i always fly into the tuff fights ...i dont get to enjoy the high alt cherry moves that are afforded by working with the numbers...i got to slice and dice and get that goon before it is too late...check my stats...should be p51s (porking) and la7 (defense)
To wil..i hear ya...but there was a real joy and lack of meaness when base taking was not the deal. i probably have my rose colored glases on...but the fights back then were more alt-monkey accusations and b-n-z accusations =)
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Originally posted by megadud
right, because you're the only ones who enjoy history.
There's a big difference between history and WWII History.
Woof
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Hey Falc. I feel your pain. The 479th Raiders have made that move to Bish. My bigest problem is that the 2 countrys < who ever they be > Pick on the country with the least numbers. I could care less about Numbers if the 2 sides with them attacked each other also. But the game is based on taking bases and the Rush of Resetting the Map. So the side with the least numbers gets Ganged.
KillnU Great point. I felt that way when the Raiders Moved over to Bish. Funny thing is if you need to spy in this Game.......Get a Life
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Crims
479th Raiders FG
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Originally posted by jetb123
I agree with falcnwng here. You guys may call us whiners, but it does get kinda tiring
when everytime you up you got atleast 3-5 guys wanting to kill you.
Didn't I post a film not too long ago that totally contests this statement? Or are we practicing selective memory?
-- Todd/Leviathn
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1- I've played AH for one year now.
2- I've been a Bishop and BOP always, and that never will change.
3- During that amount of time, of which my memory is quite clear, this has been the longest duration of low Bishop numbers I have witnessed.
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Originally posted by MOIL
LTAR is most definately a delightful bunch, we play for the Knights and have never moved to one of the other countries. The Knights always get along perfectly, taking turns on a target careful not tot get a kill-shooter. Wait our turn at the snack bar, we don't cut in line or use any foul or abusive language.
It's usually a tea party in the Knights camp as we all continue to strive for excellence and purity amoung the masses. We completely understand why you might feel just a bit gaurded about the decay of the Bishops and thier struggles to gain independence for the over-powering forces.
We don't know what it will take to help these poor souls, we would hope there is a light at the end of the tunnel, even if it's a worn out pen light stolen from a Doctors office.
Same goes for that group called the Rooks. No one really knows why the Rooks are they way they are. Their just there, hanging on day after day, fight after fight.
Maybe it was their upbringing? Maybe it's because all the other countries constantly pick on them and now it's taking a toll? Maybe they got their lunch money stolen again
No one really knows, it's just the way things are. I honestly believe it's because their made to fly around in those silly little planes with that Rook symbol above their heads. Kind of like having to wear a dunce hat. Oh well I guess some things are better left to sort themselves out rather than to start medaling into someone's affairs.
Well, gotta run the Knights are having another benefit dinner BBQ for all the Nit squads that have donated so much of their time become a better class of human and game player!
Are there 2 countries called Knights? This sounds nothing like the Knights I fly for!...:rofl
Falcn...you are just plain dillusional. I can't count the number of times I've had pep talks with my squaddies who don't enjoy upping vulched fields as much as I doduring periods of weeks, even months when we (knights) were perpetually being ganged. It must have just been so rare for bish to be outnumbered that you're just now noticing it.......btw..the Screenie jetb posted was at the time of reset which as we all know is the most exagerated numbers condition since the noobs on the losing side will have either jumped to another country or logged off in frustration.
Just move back a base, man up, and max climb to the fight!!sheesh!
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Just two nights ago the Bish threw 35 planes at a Vbase on FesterMA that didn't have anyone defending it. If that isn't horde gangbanging, I don't know what is.
This one's falling on deaf ears. ENY has fixed the problem before and probably will again, unless toolshedders are content with using early war rides to pork their strats in order to get their precious reset perks.
Deal with it. Target rich environments rule.
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Originally posted by MOIL
LTAR is most definately a delightful bunch, we play for the Knights and have never moved to one of the other countries. The Knights always get along perfectly, taking turns on a target careful not tot get a kill-shooter. Wait our turn at the snack bar, we don't cut in line or use any foul or abusive language.
It's usually a tea party in the Knights camp as we all continue to strive for excellence and purity amoung the masses. We completely understand why you might feel just a bit gaurded about the decay of the Bishops and thier struggles to gain independence for the over-powering forces.
We don't know what it will take to help these poor souls, we would hope there is a light at the end of the tunnel, even if it's a worn out pen light stolen from a Doctors office.
Same goes for that group called the Rooks. No one really knows why the Rooks are they way they are. Their just there, hanging on day after day, fight after fight.
Maybe it was their upbringing? Maybe it's because all the other countries constantly pick on them and now it's taking a toll? Maybe they got their lunch money stolen again
No one really knows, it's just the way things are. I honestly believe it's because their made to fly around in those silly little planes with that Rook symbol above their heads. Kind of like having to wear a dunce hat. Oh well I guess some things are better left to sort themselves out rather than to start medaling into someone's affairs.
Well, gotta run the Knights are having another benefit dinner BBQ for all the Nit squads that have donated so much of their time become a better class of human and game player!
Um, mic check. ONE LTAR WAS A ROOK FOR ABOUT A WEEK.
Rooks don't WHINE ABOUT NUMBERS. We don't have time to, we follow the red darbars that rarely fight each other, and do the best we can, NOT TO LOSE (except CV's, our Fleet Admiral is Hazelwood). You whiners got the Eny Perk Limiter, and you are STILL CRYING. I find this BEYOND hilarious. Bottom line, the best sticks in the game fly Rooks.
Karaya
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
The 479th FG (21 active members) moved to Bishland after we got tired of the Knight numbers and hord mentality before Christmas and have stayed ever since then with no plans on moving anytime soon.
ack-ack
Yeppers! I am one who fully appreciated seeing the 479th (Riddles Raiders) come to our side as I've flow with and against them for years and have never had a problem with them since I began flying in 3 or 4 of 1996. They are the only group that I've seen lately move over to the Bish side and they are greatly appreciated! The problem with Bishland seems to be in the amount of new folks that get placed here and learn enough to get them in trouble and then jump to the sides with the most numbers. I don't think that HTC can correct this as it will happen to any country with the ability to switch sides in the game. I was always a fan of the two country war but what happens when everybody or a mass of players only fly with one of the two countries? It's a paradox of sorts with no real solution in sight. Some of us cannot join in the real meat of AH (the scenerios and special events), just because our real life jobs prevent us from being flexible and the MA is our only fix for our addiction to fly and/or drive and fight. One problem is you just can't move the entire squad to a country with the press of a mouse button in our current environment but it may be a partial solution to the problem of the hording and massing if an entire squad could move at the whim of a button press. BTW FalconWing, I was saying exactly what you stated in your first post on this subject yesterday morning to some of our squaddies on squad channel.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
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I know this is a dead horse but, for me...
...this game has not been "Fun" since they implemented the AWACS radar system. What would make this game "fun" again IMO is to go back to the old style radar (early warbirds) where you just get an arrow on the map pointing to the direction of enemy aircraft. That is basically all you had in WW2, GC gave you the approx size, alt and heading of a group of Enemy AC and it was up to you to find them. They did not have a MFD in the cockpit with a dot on it for every a/c on the whole planet, complete with IFF...
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i am not gonna respond to those who think i am delusional or whining...suffice to say to them:rofl
however for those who are being constructive here i want to say thank you. this is obviously not just a bish problem. but i will say that i feel there is definitely a meanspiritedness that becomes exaggerated by base taking as the goal to win. i agree that bish did have numbers for periods of time but we were always ganged and thus did not often win..you did not see me post then becuz i dont care about winning..i care about fair fun for all...knits and rooks included.
i find it more then amusing that the most negative responses come from the very guys we know like to geton ch 200 and taunt. i have not seen them flying for the inferior number countries. they are not that skilled. it must be nice ot bring a 20k tiffie or 51 or 190 over an outnumbered fight and cherry guys and rtb. ive never known that. you wil find me fiting and dying where the country is the weakest...that simple
karaya..pls note that eny only seems to apply to the country with the most numbers and not to 2 countries if the third is outnumbered badly...see jetb's post
as to stangs ignorant post...he is refering to vbase 70 which is a key base to preventing reset....rooks kept getting up flaks and hiding in the woods...we decided to up a mission and take it back...this upset him greatly...we were outnumberd 175 knit 157 rooks and 90 bish at the time. we were down to about 12 bases and losing more each time....was a strategic move and it helped cut off some avenues for attack. since i have never seen him goon, buff or defend i understand why this incomprehnsible to him. i wish i could chat as much negativity as he does on ch 200. too bad he has to participate in here as well. he didnt have aproblem with rooks overwhelming us at 3 other bases at that time.
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Falconwing, the RookBishKnight hoarding accusations have been going on for years in this game, and will continue to do so. I suggest you stop fighting against it, since you will only find frustration and futility. The MA is really only 1/2 of the experience AH has to offer. Limit your time in the Main Arena, and find time to join some of the Special Events AH has to offer. You will find that you almost never have to think about side balance any more, and you will enjoy your online time MUCH more. Check out the link in my signature line, and brouse the calendar of events.
:)
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:lol Every one of you crybabys thinks your country gets ganged. I listen to it all night from the Knights, the Rooks whine about it, the Bish whine about it..........
WE HAVE 3 COUNTRIES YOU NINNIES!! EVERYBODY IS FLYING A 2 FRONT WAR!! GET OVER IT AND GET YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR REAR ENDS.
That is all.
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it is an undisputed fact that *I* always get ganged!
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Originally posted by Shane
it is an undisputed fact that *I* always get ganged!
:mad:
That's because Slobberdonkeys see you and drool over you.
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
as to stangs ignorant post...he is refering to vbase 70 which is a key base to preventing reset....rooks kept getting up flaks and hiding in the woods...we decided to up a mission and take it back...this upset him greatly...we were outnumberd 175 knit 157 rooks and 90 bish at the time. we were down to about 12 bases and losing more each time....was a strategic move and it helped cut off some avenues for attack. since i have never seen him goon, buff or defend i understand why this incomprehnsible to him. i wish i could chat as much negativity as he does on ch 200. too bad he has to participate in here as well. he didnt have aproblem with rooks overwhelming us at 3 other bases at that time.
Upset me? No, I thought it was frikkin hillarious.
It took you guys two massive missions to get that base... the first time 3 of us stopped like 20+ of you. :lol
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Falco.....YOU ARE A LIAR
oh..so I guess this year has been "tuff " for you ..LMFAO..
seriously We are seeing your slip showing
Knights were outnumbered for many...many months...
Oh..it wasnt during this last year?..big deal
AGAIN..YOU ARE A LIAR
Knights have had plenty of time being outnumbered..Grow a pair
To say Knights have always had numbers is really really ignorant..
How about this..Show us proof to your claims..Not just this last month..or whatever..Lets see your stats for the last 2-3 years
JetB/...are you a clueless dolt?.....are we talking juts about the last couple months?..Are you new to this game..you must be
Becuase If you havent been playing consistently for the last few years..YOU KNOW NOTHING about numbers and sides
they have all had there ups and downs
I wish I could send a virtual B-slap to all of you whinning "castratis'.....credit to shane
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Originally posted by Shane
it is an undisputed fact that *I* always get ganged!
:mad:
Only because you HO the first 3 or 4. :D
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Originally posted by ThunderEGG
1- I've played AH for one year now.
Same here
2- I've been a Bishop and BOP always, and that never will change.
Been all 3, mostly Bish.
3- During that amount of time, of which my memory is quite clear, this has been the longest duration of low Bishop numbers I have witnessed.
Not true in my recollection. I have seen all sides with low numbers. Does it happen to Bish now more than the others? Well, yeah. Why? I'll tell you. It is because Bish just seem to have a lot of players that will run to the other side as soon as the numbers get out of balance. Some come back some don't. There is really nothing that can be done about that. We just seem to have an abundance of these types right now. Noobs won't change that as they are a big part of the problem. If it's going to change then Bish need to attract players over to our side who will stick it out and contribute. Beotching about the situation ain't gonna do that.
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Originally posted by Stang
Just two nights ago the Bish threw 35 planes at a Vbase on FesterMA that didn't have anyone defending it. If that isn't horde gangbanging, I don't know what is.
This one's falling on deaf ears. ENY has fixed the problem before and probably will again, unless toolshedders are content with using early war rides to pork their strats in order to get their precious reset perks.
Deal with it. Target rich environments rule.
And that basically is the crux of the Bish problem. They will throw a horde of peeps at an undefended field while the other side goes on a pork and capture fest and there are very few bish in the area defending. I can't tell you how many times I've seen "certain' Bish squads leave a field because they lost CAP. All kind of targets to shoot and fight with yet they leave to go attack some other undefended field. When they do capture it and the red guys come in from another field what do they do? They leave to go attack some other undefended field leaving the few of us there who will defend out numbered.
Face it. right now Nits and Rooks are just better at the war-winning part of the game right now. Like I said, complaining ain't gonna change that.
Clarification: As stated in this thread, the above field was not undefended, but my point still stands.
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And that basically is the crux of the Bish problem. They will throw a horde of peeps at an undefended field while the other side goes on a pork and capture fest and there are very few bish in the area defending
That’s exactly why I don't give a about the whole base taking rat wheel race anymore. It has nothing to do with strategy or war simulation, its nothing more then a base taking race.
I really don't see the fun in hording an undefended base with Lemming No's and the prospect of no decent A2A fight.
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well i have no idea who this bgbmaw guy is....i cant respond to third grade "you are a liar!" comments..dont even know how....im guessing perhaps with.,,,"Am NOT!!"
LOLOL
though for a guy who i guess is in the maw who invented the horde system as far as i remember, you are funny....
as for the rest of his post...if some of the great stat readers or ht himself wouldnt mind getting that data..who has won the most resets...who got reset and what numbers have been over last year....please do..would love it....
but...dont think it solves anything....the here and now is what is important....perhaps even more the future is what is important...if this is what otjher guys have had to endure...then it sucks for them and i bet we lost players during that time period. im having trouble seeing the future of this game...in aw we have over one thousand guys on at a time...we are now combined games with aw and other fiter sims and we about 400. again i dont get when a fiter sim became a base grab sim..or a gv sim for that matter....
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The game is supposed to be fun; if it's not fun, why are you guys playing?
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
The game is supposed to be fun; if it's not fun, why are you guys playing?
Exactly what I was gonna put. If it's no longer fun then move on. And above all else, it's only a game. See it for what it is and I bet it'll be more fun. Forget countries, wars, numbers and just log on for some good ol fashion fun.
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
:lol Every one of you crybabys thinks your country gets ganged. I listen to it all night from the Knights, the Rooks whine about it, the Bish whine about it..........
WE HAVE 3 COUNTRIES YOU NINNIES!! EVERYBODY IS FLYING A 2 FRONT WAR!! GET OVER IT AND GET YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR REAR ENDS.
That is all.
WHAT A CROCK OF CRAP! :mad:
The BISH are the only ones fighting a 2 front war until we are down to 12 or so bases and the Nits & Rooks have to battle for the win.....
This wouldnt be an issue if it was a 2 front war for everyone but its just NOT!
As far as the country jumpers.... Keep em. If they have that kind of commitment and dedication as to jump sides when things get tough... We dont need em!
:lol
The Bish have some awesome squads that work well together and fight for a common interest, not just whiners who cant deal with training the new guys and helping get their side to be a quality fighting force.
I am relativly new to AH, and since the beginning, The BOPS have taken me under their wing and helped me get better every day. I have really enjoyed getting to know the guys and our fellow Bish every day in Combat and am proud to be a BISH.
Falc, keep em high and straight bro!
:aok
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exactly what i thought.
Falcon..you are a liar
You dotn have any facts to back up your.."poor me ..poor bish BS"
OH!!..the Knights have never been outnumbered.....Which again..BS
You dont have any proof except the last couple months you get wacked..boo hoo
lmfao...classic..
I give this a 7 on the whiny girl scale
now you are crying for someone to prove your point..NOT GOING TO HAPPEN
oh..and you remember getting raped by "whordes" of Marine Air Wing pilots?...
NO >>STOP IT>!! quit flying together..BOOO HOOO
I give that 1 a 4 on the whiny girl scale
and Minnow...jesus needs you..go stab your self now..lmfao..Bish are the only ones fighting a 2 front war???..what a clueless dolt..you should fly in the game for atleast a year before you "try" to tell people here on the BBS about how numbers sway in the MA
as Triumph the Insult dogs says..
This thread........ needs to get pooped on
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I bet I could search the BBs and find at least 2 of these threads started by a member of each country within the past 2 years....
Mike,Mike,Mike.Ive been in this game as long as you have.Hell I flew with you in AW as a Bop.I dont see this like you do.You ALSO know Ive had nothing but respect for you and the BOP's even when you blasted the Flying Circus when we left the Bish to fill out the numbers on another side.Numbers have changed over and over in this game.I remember when you couldnt find 2 Rooks to rub together not all that long ago,and I remember when you could close your eyes and pull the trigger and hit 12 Bish in a 2 second burst.This blasting other squads for changing sides I dont get.people are trying to even things out.To give them crap is way below you.I havnt flown MA in ages but Ive kept up on the boards.Ive seen the sides change to lopsided for every side.Relax.Take a break.To say Im flying only Bish no matter what is the reason the arena is so off kilter.Some just wont change sides to even it all out because there to damn hard headed to know its the best thing for the game.Your smarter than thet.Dont be such a stubborn putz.
Doc
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bgbmaw come on how are we lieing ck the roster and learn to count 90 bish 160 knits and rooks. look at the screen shot jetb123 took 203 knits 100(something) rooks and 90 bish geaz:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
The game is supposed to be fun; if it's not fun, why are you guys playing?
Wow this is comming from you hub. As soon as you get gangbanged you whine on channel 200 for a good 10 minutes. Or make a smart remark to start a fight. I enjoy the game still, Just something that i think needs to be looked at.
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Originally posted by jetb123
As soon as you get gangbanged you whine on channel 200 for a good 10 minutes. Or make a smart remark to start a fight.
Yeah, I do the same. It's fun to see how many you can hook. And arguing on 200 with people is 1/2 the fun. I've seen you doing your fair share of whining yourself jet. Most(including yourself and hub) do it all tongue and cheek while some take it way to serious/personnal. I for one know for a fact that most of the whines from hub are simply to stir the pot and have some fun. Then we giggle on squad as we read the reactions.
PS: We giggle in a manly way mind you.
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Well I fly for Bish and have been doing for over three years and I have not flown for any other country in the MA and never will. I do this for two reasons, 1) I fly with the 31st and we dont change countries just because we are getting beat and 2) regardless of real or virtual I will not jump sides just because things get alittle rough.
Yes the numbers have gotten out of hand. But to be honest Falconwing alot of those individuals are newvie pilots who switched because they saw the knits or rooks winning. SO they are at times easy kills. And I getting two to 3 kills a shot on each sortie in a Hurricane Mk IIC. But I also have no problems engaging aircraft even if I a out numbered. The Widow makers found that out a couple of months ago. Engaged 4 or 5 of them and in the end shot all but one down and that was WMLute and he whipped my ass.
But then again on the other side of the coin the numbers need to have something done about them. The bish are out numbered more so then any other country has ever been outnumbered. And both knit and rooks team up and beat up on the Bish. Just the smart thing to do. OK knits out numbers us but we outnumber the Bish so who are they going to hit. Falconwing since I have flown Bish half our numbers our newbie pilots the other Half are fighting there tulips off either to capture a base or to keep one. Like you the game does get to be no Fun when everytime you up there are so many fighting that you cant even give a check six call because you are to busy dodging and weaving and doing what you can to stay alive and take as many out as you can.
Final Thougt; Will HiTech every do anything about it? Doubt not much you can do. They would lose business if they said you cant fly with who want to and for whom you want due to numbers. Should the eny limit be over hauled yes. Dont matter if you have an ENY limit or not. 5 or 6 early war aircraft are going to be able to shot down a Spit XIV or IW.
Falconwing all we can do is fight hard and when we get shot down take some of them with us. So in the end they might win the war but they had to earn it and not just be handed it. They had to beat us and have not gotten a freebie.
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Originally posted by SuperDud
PS: We giggle in a manly way mind you.
No you don't, you sissy.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
-- Todd/Leviathn
dont you ever get tired for writing this?:D
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Originally posted by Warchief
I do this for two reasons, 1) I fly with the 31st and we dont change countries just because we are getting beat and 2) regardless of real or virtual I will not jump sides just because things get alittle rough.
You guys dont get it.You REALLY dont get it do you??? Some squads switch sides to even up the arena,and get called traitors,plus other various childish names I wont go over but you get the idea.Its not to pad scores,the big numbers lose points due to the ratio adjustment.These squads that change sides to even the numbers dont deserve to be called out on it by a bunch of people dedicated to a miserable chess piece that couldnt care less if the game numbers are even.Jebus christ.Pay attention to whats being said.They do this to "even the numbers" If there wasnt a bunch of childish crap said when they do they MIGHT think about rejoining when the numbers level out.What a concept.
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
if you can name a rook or knit squad that has jumped and stayed bish pls let me know. off the top of my head i can name AK's, black knights, s.e.'s, sobs, rowdy rebels, regulators, Dow as squads that have jumped in last year to year and a half. there are prob more. if anyone can name a squad of size that has moved bish pls let me know. and to be honest i dont think those guys jumped becuz they hate the bish....but if you cant see we have been ganged for over a year and longer whatever the numbers were....then so be it....but it wears guys downa dn they move to where it is easier. i think the ak's were the only squad i know that jumped becuz they moved to a more difficult country aks...i can respect that
Ripsnort's old squad (Swoop,ESB..etc) jumped from Nites to Bish to join the Hornets not too long ago...For a while we were invincable(until the Voss u no what incident)
It has happened.
And now us ex-Hornets joined the BoP's and where ever we attack the hording Nite/Rook infestation seems to skatter like cockroaches in the bright light.
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You know if you don't change sides, you should invest in another account. I don't think you can really appreciate a pilot until you've flown with them and against them. As some other poster stated and I agree, if you only fly on 1 side, you miss 66% of potential friends (well prolly less since others do hop).
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Originally posted by jetb123
dont you ever get tired for writing this?:D
Nevar!!11one11!
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by jetb123
As soon as you get gangbanged you whine on channel 200 for a good 10 minutes. Or make a smart remark to start a fight.
Like many of your claims jet, this is BS.
For the rest of you guys howling about numbers, there were 10% more bish than rooks on this evening. ~ 156 to our 140, with maybe 165 knits. Call me crazy, but I'm not seeing the problem.
In regards to the DoW changing sides. I don't think they changed sides to avoid the ganging, but to see what the rest of the MA was like. The Dogz were Az in AW, and stayed Bish all through AH1, and well into AH2. To say they ran to avoid the very strategy the BoPs employed with great success in AH1 is BS. The Dogz are a very fine group of people, and you have absolutely no basis for your statement regarding them, beyond your own piss poor attitude, and assumption that everyone has the same shallow view of the MA that you do. Maybe they just wanted to see what the other side of the fence was like. Country loyalty in this game means absolutely nothing. The game is about the people, not the icon.
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Falc...first off from the Sick Puppies to Birds Of Prey.
I just saw your first post to start this thread only because i think the numbers game is a joke and i posted a thread on what i thought of it.
well, if they can't figure out a method to correct this i think i can.
i fly less...i think the game is more of an arcade game more than ever and i'm guessin that i will play less and tell less people about it.
i would not tell anybody that trusted my word to spend bucks on a new computer to look at a cartoon.
REACH OUT
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Originally posted by MINNOW
WHAT A CROCK OF CRAP! :mad:
The BISH are the only ones fighting a 2 front war until we are down to 12 or so bases and the Nits & Rooks have to battle for the win.....
This wouldnt be an issue if it was a 2 front war for everyone but its just NOT!
As far as the country jumpers.... Keep em. If they have that kind of commitment and dedication as to jump sides when things get tough... We dont need em!
:lol
The Bish have some awesome squads that work well together and fight for a common interest, not just whiners who cant deal with training the new guys and helping get their side to be a quality fighting force.
I am relativly new to AH, and since the beginning, The BOPS have taken me under their wing and helped me get better every day. I have really enjoyed getting to know the guys and our fellow Bish every day in Combat and am proud to be a BISH.
Falc, keep em high and straight bro!
:aok
Since you refuse to ever see what the other side is like, how would you know? You talk about facts when you have no experience. What you have is called IGNORANCE, and its cureable by EXPERIENCE. Try it sometime. I'm flying Knight right now, and even on our best nights we are fighting a 2 front war all night long, with just as many whiners as youve got talking about the BishRook conspiracies. Bah. Yer all ninnies.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
11one11!
:lol
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LOOK!!!!
Were Outnumbered !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/842_1122015909_2232.jpg)
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wow...the morons who taunt the most on ch 200 are laso the idiotic posters...to bad i cant squelch them in here as well...
again i have played this game forever and illl tell you one general observation that will play out over and over again...when a decent size squad jumpsa countries....they never last..they become a shadow of the thier formerselves. how many of the other squads in here can claim the longevity of BoPs??? we have been the largest squad in aw, aw2,awmillenium, aw3 and now AH. I have watcehd great squads go from 15 -20 folks a night to 2-5. For the idiots who dont get it....it needs to mean something if it is not a first person shooter,,,,and whether that loyalty is "pledged" to 3 guys or a squad or a country is a big dufference to how long you will play the game
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All that matters is having fun. The second this gets too serious, it's time to step back and get the priorities straight.
The loyalty is to the friends you make and the fun you have.
Dan/CorkyJr
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
wow...the morons who taunt the most on ch 200 are laso the idiotic posters...to bad i cant squelch them in here as well...
uhhh...
you can.
:rolleyes:
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Lol this thread is so deja-vu to 2002. Only back then rooks were in the bucket and bishops had the numbers.
The same 'boohoo' comments still exist (naturally from the side that has most players, gee..) and the same lack of understanding of 24 hour gameplay AH has. If YOU are not seeing jilted numbers, someone playing 12 hours later may very well see them. Even if they don't exist for you, they may exist for 400 other people. In that context all the opposing comments are just idiotic - the posters simply don't know what they're talking about.
Now I have no reason to defend the bish - hell the bish horde were the reason I quit a few years ago. But I can say this from experience - being ganged every day will get boring. It is not fun and frustrates the crap out of you.
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WHAT A CROCK OF CRAP! The BISH are the only ones fighting a 2 front war until we are down to 12 or so bases and the Nits & Rooks have to battle for the win.....
Please tell me you're kidding, you really don't belieaqve this yourself do you?
You see what you want to see be it because you are relative new to AH or something else... Every time I hear a silly statement like that in AH I always bring up map and check to see if it is true, and it never is, there is ALWAYS a two front war for ALL countries.
Falconwing, Bish will have low numbers for some time to come most likely, then it will change, another country will be the gangbange. Perk bonus and more, the ENY limiter are two ways to counter. The ENY limiter was implamented not all to long ago so saying that HTC isn't dealing with the problem is just plain wrong. (if anyone said that).
I've been here since the first day of the open Beta, I've seen every country in AH have low numbers. Knits were one of the first.
This is the first time in many many years the Bish have had low numbers while both knits and rooks have swapped the "gangbange" status many times.
Second, it really isn't strange that people leave bishops. I flew there for a while yeasterday Euro morning aswell as Euro Night and I constantly had to listen to "Oh poor us gangbanged little bishes we always fight two fron war blah blah blah" (not aimed at you falconwing) but with all that BS whining going on it quite quickly put the fun aspect away and just made it a Pain in the but to fly bish. The thing that weighed up for it was a targetrich environment.
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
Well perhaps my memory is selective but i cant remember a time when the knights didnt have numbers....i also cant name any knight squads that jumped to bish in over a year.
Well, you havent flown a lot or you didnt check enuff the roster. We have been outnumbered *many* times and I had an hard work to keep my squad Knight when I was CO.
A Knight squad switching Bish? Why in the hell do you wanna to become a low level suicide fighter/bomber or limit your choice only to Lalas and Nikis? :D
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This thread has jumped the shark.
HiTech