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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: gatso on July 20, 2005, 10:34:59 AM
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I'm clearing the house of a family member who died a month or so ago, its not a particularly nice job. However, there is the odd perk. Todays was three bottles of said whiskey, unopenned and in their original post wrapping. 70% proof!
Date on the postmark was sometime in the mid 1970's although I've been unable to find any dates on the bottle itself.
Does this stuff improve with age? Is it a collectors item and should I think about selling it and taking the family out for a nice meal rather than necking it all? :D
Cheers
Gatso
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it ages in the barrel, not the bottle..... but it's still a very nice find. drink up!
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Originally posted by gatso
I'm clearing the house of a family member who died a month or so ago, its not a particularly nice job. However, there is the odd perk. Todays was three bottles of said whiskey, unopenned and in their original post wrapping. 70% proof!
Date on the postmark was sometime in the mid 1970's although I've been unable to find any dates on the bottle itself.
Does this stuff improve with age? Is it a collectors item and should I think about selling it and taking the family out for a nice meal rather than necking it all? :D
Cheers
Gatso
ask drunky....he seems to get alot of his booze at "yard sales" ;)
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Thought so Nate, shame really. Hopefully there will be some really really good stuff yet to be found. :D
Kinda why I posted Guns, after seeing the number of alcoho... I mean, "subject experts" there are on these boards I figured theres no point going elsewhere.
Just a quick google tells me its still made and is one of the cheaper of Mr Walkers fine creations. I've never seen any whisky this strong though, does anyone still make 70% proof stuff and does it taste any good?
I'm not an expert, I like the odd single malt at the end of an evening generally in the winter time before heading home. keeps you warm. ;)
essential pic:
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stant.family/Aceshigh/walker.jpg)
Gats
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aaaaghhhhaaaaaaaahhhhh.....
*drool*
ghhhaaaaahhh...
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70 proof is "low test". That JW Red is 35% alcohol.
I have no idea if it's "collectible" or not but I bet there's someone somewhere that can advise you on that.
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Ah.. Understood. UK and US "proof" is slightly different it seems. Pretty much everything is sold as ABV over hear now so I got momentarily confused.
Its 40% ABV which seems much more normal.
google gave me this: UK/USA proof to ABV convertor.
http://www.projects.ex.ac.uk/trol/scol/ccalcoh4.htm
Gatso
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most US burbon / whiskey is 80 "proof" by us standards (40% alcohol)
southern comfort makes a 100 proof version, i think theres a canadian whiskey 100 or 120 proof, then there is bacardi 151 (151 proof)
IIRC there are some regulations on the proof it can be, or % alcohol. like for example texas has limits on the content in beer, the beer sold in texas is not as powerful as in some other states.
guess others say it's good stuff... labeling looks cheap though lol
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Johnnie Walker Red is actually the world's most popular Scotch Whiskey. Its a blend of 8 year old malts chosen to provide an overall "light" and easily palatable flavor. If I can compare it to cigars, its like a machine made Garcia Y Vega Corona. You probably wouldn't be able to get anything more for a few bottles from the 70s than you could buy new one's for as the blend hasn't changed.
Red Label goes well with any deserts with chocolate in them and pairs well with sweet tobaccos (like cherry cavendish pipe tobacco) my personal opinion is that it doesn't go very well with a strong cigar as any premium cigar overpowers the light taste.
BTW - If you stumble across any 18 year old single malts in your explorations, give me a call and we'll deal. ;)
- SEAGOON
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yeah - what he said...
and if you find any "blue" labelled stuff - that stuff is crap.....
I've got some chinch bugs in the yard I need to kill and hear that it does wonders for them. So if you run across any blue label - I can use to kill the bugs. I'll pay for the shipping.
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Best way to figure out if its any good is to open it and pour yourself a glass.
If you wake up the next morning in the same clothes and the bottle is empty you have a winner.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Best way to figure out if its any good is to open it and pour yourself a glass.
If you wake up the next morning in the same clothes and the bottle is empty you have a winner.
I did that with a bottle of "Jim Beam: select" once. My two roomates woke up for work and found me passed out on the couch with bottle still in hand with only a tiny dropp left. They are both alcoholics and at the time I "worried" them. ;)
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Originally posted by Mustaine
. like for example texas has limits on the content in beer, the beer sold in texas is not as powerful as in some other states.
I think you are confusing Texas and Oklahoma. OK is 3.2 unless bought at a liquor store.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
I did that with a bottle of "Jim Beam: select" once. My two roomates woke up for work and found me passed out on the couch with bottle still in hand with only a tiny dropp left. They are both alcoholics and at the time I "worried" them. ;)
lol!
did you have an m16 in the other hand? :D
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Originally posted by Jackal1
I think you are confusing Texas and Oklahoma. OK is 3.2 unless bought at a liquor store.
last time I was in Nebraska it was limited to 2.5. We'd cross the border into Iowa and get stronger stuff.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
lol!
did you have an m16 in the other hand? :D
nope the other hand was occupied by the remote control to the TV :aok
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
last time I was in Nebraska it was limited to 2.5. We'd cross the border into Iowa and get stronger stuff.
:) That`s the reason I "pack a lunch" when on the way to Sturgis. I have to go through OK, Kansas, Nebraska then into SD.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
nope the other hand was occupied by the remote control to the TV :aok
ahh
my reasoning was:
alcoholics and roomates = military base :D
Guess thats only around these parts! hmm... wonder if i can sue the navy for making me a drunk ;)
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Originally posted by Mustaine
IIRC there are some regulations on the proof it can be, or % alcohol. like for example texas has limits on the content in beer, the beer sold in texas is not as powerful as in some other states.
Those limits only apply to beer and wine. Liquor can be any proof. The reason most liquor is bottled at 80 proof is taxes.
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Rebel Yell bourbon all the way baby! I got a half used handle sitting in my cupboard right now.
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I have a bottle of Booker's Special Reserve... 124 proof. niiiiice
it's pretty smooth too.
oh, and mustaine is thinking of Oklahoma and their 3.2 beer...
college kids get busted daily for "bootlegging"..... driving into Texas to get the good stuff and take it back across to OK..
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Best way to figure out if its any good is to open it and pour yourself a glass.
If you wake up the next morning in the same clothes and the bottle is empty you have a winner.
Nilsen,
Actually, you have a hang-over, and probably a drinking problem, not a winner. By that standard one bottle of Nightrain or Mad Dog 20-20 will do just as well.
- SEAGOON
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Originally posted by NATEDOG
oh, and mustaine is thinking of Oklahoma and their 3.2 beer...
college kids get busted daily for "bootlegging"..... driving into Texas to get the good stuff and take it back across to OK..
That's pretty ridiculous. Something like 97% of beers must be illegal in there.
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Originally posted by Seagoon
Nilsen,
Actually, you have a hang-over, and probably a drinking problem, not a winner. By that standard one bottle of Nightrain or Mad Dog 20-20 will do just as well.
- SEAGOON
Yup, when the bottle is empty you sure have a problem. However you can always get a new one. A shower is usually a good idea tho.
;)
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no, they actually brew beer just for them........
they have all the same brands, just weaker.
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I doubt they have a lot of foreign brands available.
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In case anyone was curious it tastes just fine. :D
Gatso
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Originally posted by Jackal1
:) That`s the reason I "pack a lunch" when on the way to Sturgis. I have to go through OK, Kansas, Nebraska then into SD.
In Kansas 3.2 beer is sold in the "convenience stores" that don't have a true liquor license.
Standard "strong" beer is sold in any licensed liquor store. By law, these stores display a red and green "liquor" sign, usually neon.
So you can get anything they sell anywhere else here... if you are 21.
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Originally posted by gatso
In case anyone was curious it tastes just fine. :D
Gatso
LOL!
ship one over the puddle to me would ya?
thx
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Originally posted by NATEDOG
no, they actually brew beer just for them........
they have all the same brands, just weaker.
yeah, i remember in the one of the 20+ tours of miller they told of each states different regulations. someone mentioned nebraska, and a few others got weird regs.
it really drives the price up to from what i have heard, because of having to brew the different versions.
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Originally posted by mora
I doubt they have a lot of foreign brands available.
What's funny is close to were I lived in Sherman, Texas there was a Shinerbock plant. Even though the foreign beer was manufactured in Texas by Texans it was still considered an import and thus cost more.
The beer bar I worked at on the weekends charged $1.00 more per bottle for it and I had to put up with alot of pissed off people because of it. most of them worked at the plant IIRC.
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i think theres a canadian whiskey 100
Its called "YUKON JACK" and as label is a canadian Liquor. nat as a whisky which it really is!~ now thats the good stuff ; )~
Damn them Oklahoma laws -- i was there for a trade show drinking at the hotel bars and that lil down town spot(BRICK TOWN) no one ever told me (till the last night after a week there) that all the domestic beers were 3.2, They said if you wanted the real stuff (Normal beer) to drink the imports.
I dont know if its true but ill be dammed if i go back and spend good money at a hotel bar ($5 for a 16 oz draft) to get fricking 3.2 beer..............
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Best way to figure out if its any good is to open it and pour yourself a glass.
If you wake up the next morning in the same clothes and the bottle is empty you have a winner.
Yesss. We have a motto: "Alcohol is our emeny, so we'll destroy it! Work is our friend, so we'll never touch it!"
:D
Maybe I am a freak, but I don't like cheap Scotch and Bourbon. tastes like a village moonshine made for sale (not for drinking yourself). I'll prefer good old vodka, at least if you drink good brands it doesn't give a hangover like whisky that is sold here (usually made in Poland).
Canadian whisky is the stuff I really like. Wolfala brought me a bottle of Canadian Club last Winter, IMHO it was better then real French Cognac (like Hennessy). The main problem is that I have found it in stores in Moscow, and here it costs 10 times more then good vodka :( And there is always a chance that it was made in Poland :(
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Sorry to hear that about your family member.
Should drink the whole thing and enjoy it, in honor of him/she.
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Originally posted by Boroda
Yesss. We have a motto: "Alcohol is our emeny, so we'll destroy it! Work is our friend, so we'll never touch it!"
:D
Maybe I am a freak, but I don't like cheap Scotch and Bourbon. tastes like a village moonshine made for sale (not for drinking yourself). I'll prefer good old vodka, at least if you drink good brands it doesn't give a hangover like whisky that is sold here (usually made in Poland).
Canadian whisky is the stuff I really like. Wolfala brought me a bottle of Canadian Club last Winter, IMHO it was better then real French Cognac (like Hennessy). The main problem is that I have found it in stores in Moscow, and here it costs 10 times more then good vodka :( And there is always a chance that it was made in Poland :(
Meh.. Hennessy is wastly overrated. Get a bottle of Bache Gabrielsen XO and you are set. (not the Polish variant tho :D )
(http://www.bnic.fr/web_bnic/marques_images/bachegabrielsen2.jpg)
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(http://www.thewhiskystore.de/usa/bernheim/rebelye07a_2.jpg)
None finer.
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Originally posted by Toad
In Kansas 3.2 beer is sold in the "convenience stores" that don't have a true liquor license.
Standard "strong" beer is sold in any licensed liquor store. By law, these stores display a red and green "liquor" sign, usually neon.
So you can get anything they sell anywhere else here... if you are 21.
Here we have restrictions like this:
1) If you sell stuff stronger then 15% ABV you need a license (everyone gets it) and a "trading hall" bigger then 10 square meters.
2) If your store is closer then 50m (usually it's solved with a bribe, so the distance may be much closer, but not door-to-door) from "public transportation, public health or educational buildings" - you can't sell beer or other low-alcohol stuff.
I don't know about regulations for wine and other stuff below 15% ABV.
Beer here means any beer-ish stuff from 3.2% to 9.6%. There was some imported stuff sold here before 1998 that was 11% and even 13% - but now the strongest local beer I know is 9.6%. "Strong" starts from 6%, but it's still "beer" and noone cares if you sell alcohol-free or "Baltika #9" (9.6%). Canned cocktails are usually 7-9%.
You may be fined for 100 rubles ($1=28rubles) for drinking beer in "public transportation and other public places" but noone cares. Our Militia is a part of the People :)
In post-Soviet times we had strange laws. Like you couldn't drink any wine or strong liquor in public. So we had to drink from paper cups. It was really funny when me and two friends were drinking at a boulevard in a Center, they got arrested and fined for drinking wine from a bottle while I was drinking beer that was in fact stronger then their wine...
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Meh.. Hennessy is wastly overrated. Get a bottle of Bache Gabrielsen XO and you are set. (not the Polish variant tho :D )
(http://www.bnic.fr/web_bnic/marques_images/bachegabrielsen2.jpg)
Nielsen, here they don't sell Cognac in plain wine bottles like that! It's a reason enough for me not to see it in Moscow stores :(
People who can afford Cognac here usually care about the shape of a bottle, not about taste. That's why I prefer stuff my Father chooses: he still has 2-3 bottles of 20 years old Georgian "cognac" that he bought as cheap as vodka 10 years ago. It's in ugly wine bottles with xeroxed labels, that's why this Nectar was so cheap.
I have a strange "karma": for the last 12 years I make LANs and other IT stuff for different clients... At least 20% of them are wine-factories and so on. It's great to come into their office stock rooms: if the stuff stood on a shelf (in "room conditions") for more then a week it's not good enough for professional tasting, so they take it away and label as "poison" :) They are usually really happy when I take a dozen or two because they don't have to waste it themselves :)
And when their bosses offer us a drink or two... Imagine a 100+ years old Armenian "cognac" or 80 years old sweet wine... Mmmm...
It's funny that the stuff wineyards keep for "internal use" is so much better then what they sell outside.
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Ay-up, Gatso! Long time! :)
Do you still piss it up at the White Horse? I can remember the good old days c1973 when pints of Ansell's bitter cost 14p, and you could buy 7 pints and still get change out of a quid.
Whisky? blech. I'm not a spirits man.
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(http://www.healthsystem.virginia.edu/internet/medtox/images/moonshine.jpg)
The true Whiskey...
measured by mpg ,and brain cell loss .:D
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Originally posted by Toad
In Kansas 3.2 beer is sold in the "convenience stores" that don't have a true liquor license.
Standard "strong" beer is sold in any licensed liquor store. By law, these stores display a red and green "liquor" sign, usually neon.
So you can get anything they sell anywhere else here... if you are 21.
Oklahoma is the same, I've bought 9% ale's in the liquor stores.
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"Red Label" is for whiskies what Budweiser is for beers.: People who don't know any better keep buying it.
From cheap whiskies (blended) I'd take Irish "Jameson" or "Famous Grouse".
Add more money and get a Chivas Regal.
or go straight to the top and buy yourself a bottle of Lagavulin; you won't regret.
'till next morning ;)
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This is the MINIMUM that I will buy. It is better than Black Label.
(http://www.thewhiskystore.de/dist/cragganm/cragg2900_2.jpg)
Karaya
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
(http://www.thewhiskystore.de/usa/bernheim/rebelye07a_2.jpg)
None finer.
Like it, but prefer:
(http://www.thedrinkshop.com/images/products/main/852/852.jpg)
Karaya - I wish I had the kind of budget that made Cragganmore my "minimum standard" as it is my minimums these days are McLelland's Islay (at a little over $19) and Famous Grouse (at a little over $21). When I'm particularly flush or just financially reckless, I add $14 and buy:
(http://www.thedalmore.com/img/taste/cigar_taste.jpg)
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
(http://www.thewhiskystore.de/usa/bernheim/rebelye07a_2.jpg)
None finer.
Why not spend a couple extra bucks and buy the aged version, W.L. Weller? If I'm gonna drink green whiskey, I make sure it hasn't seen a barrel yet.
(http://www.healthsystem.virginia.edu/internet/medtox/images/moonshine.jpg)
That's what I'm talkin bout Roo!;)
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Because I'm in college! And I like the taste fine. I'm also not quite *cough* old enough to browse the liquor store...
Also, I can mix up some of the finest drinks known to mankind with my Rebel Yell.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Because I'm in college! And I like the taste fine. I'm also not quite *cough* old enough to browse the liquor store...
Also, I can mix up some of the finest drinks known to mankind with my Rebel Yell.
Ahhhhh.... That explains it.
Stay in School, Don't do drugs. Lay off the booze, call your parents, attend your classes, get good grades, etc.
Oh, and don't save up all your dirty laundry for the visit home. ;)
- SEAGOON
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
What's funny is close to were I lived in Sherman, Texas there was a Shinerbock plant. Even though the foreign beer was manufactured in Texas by Texans it was still considered an import and thus cost more.
The beer bar I worked at on the weekends charged $1.00 more per bottle for it and I had to put up with alot of pissed off people because of it. most of them worked at the plant IIRC.
the reason it cost more is because it's a micro brew.... alot smaller scale than say Miller or Bud..
alot bars around here quit using the term import... they label them specialty beers... such as Anchor Steam from San Fran, or Ziegenbock from Texas, they are not imported, but they are not as mass produced, so they cost more.
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Originally posted by beet1e
Ay-up, Gatso! Long time! :)
Do you still piss it up at the White Horse? I can remember the good old days c1973 when pints of Ansell's bitter cost 14p, and you could buy 7 pints and still get change out of a quid.
Whisky? blech. I'm not a spirits man.
Hey Beet :)
Alas, the White Horse is dead. It got turned into a "Restaurant", its now known as the Mulberry Tree. Some bloke with piles of cash redecorated, ponced up the menu (3x the price), and banished all the drinkers to the garden and the small area in front of the bar. A pint will set you back £3 now... Found pics and the menu on t'internet:
http://www.mulberrypubco.com/themulberrytree.htm
I also miss the good ol days.
Gatso
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Originally posted by gatso
Alas, the White Horse is dead. It got turned into a "Restaurant", its now known as the Mulberry Tree.
Doh! :mad: Kinda stupid changing the name - does this mean the road is now called Mulberry Tree Lane?
You're too young to remember the good old days! I remember when it was Joe's bar and the Riverside bar. Joe's bar had a dartboard. There was a poncy function room near the front. The whole place got gutted out c1976, which was when we decided to leave.
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I think the Johnny Walker Red Label has not much more than market value. It's good if you like scotch. I never developed a taste for scotch (which is not from trying). I classify a whiskey as 'good' if it can be drank straight or with water. Makers Mark is good bourbon whiskey but Wild Turkey has become my favorite. Canadian whisky is generally pretty good too. Segrams VO is good and Black Velvet goes well with coke.
The first 'good' whiskey I ever drank was Old Bushmells Irish Whiskey. Coming from Kentucky, I had sampled most of the less expensive bourbons. Wish I had tried Wild Turkey sooner! Gin is another liquor I never developed a taste for. Martini's are ok, but they are too much trouble to make. I tried some 'authentic' moonshine with no ill effects years ago. It wasn't anything I would make an effort to repeat.
Regards,
Malta
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Stantond; have you tried Lagavulin?
Because that's what brought me back to whiskies and to the single malts: it was so frigging.. if I may say "strange" taste after all those blendeds I did drink when I was in my twenties.
Definately worth of trying if you haven't done it yet. It's islay whisky and you can really taste the sea in it :)
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Originally posted by Staga
It's islay whisky and you can really taste the sea in it :)
Bah - aircraft fuel!! That undertaste is peat (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=peat). The islay (pronounced I-luh) malt I have dabbled with is Laphroaig (http://www.laphroaig.com/) - definitely an acquired taste, which I was never able to acquire. Check out the picture in that link - looks like those guys are sitting on a large pile of cut peat. I know nothing about how the peat is actually used to make the whisky.
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Peat
Compressed, decayed vegetable matter cut from peat bogs and used as fuel. The pungent smoke it gives off when burnt is used in the malting of barley intended for certain Scottish malt whiskies, especially on Islay.
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Originally posted by stantond
I tried some 'authentic' moonshine with no ill effects years ago. It wasn't anything I would make an effort to repeat.
Regards,
Malta
Squeezins can be very good in taste or very bad, depending on the care of the maker.
Tradition and family history can smooth out even the raunchiest if consumed from a Mason jar in the right company. :)
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My grandfather and uncles from mom's side were having their own moonshine factory and their products were good and well known.
Dad's side wasn't much better; they were smugglers and also did time when Finland was "dry" :D
Our family reunions are quite a spectacles :aok
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Originally posted by Staga
Peat
Compressed, decayed vegetable matter cut from peat bogs and used as fuel. The pungent smoke it gives off when burnt is used in the malting of barley intended for certain Scottish malt whiskies, especially on Islay.
After posting this, are you sure that you are a Finn?...
:rofl
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My son gave me a bottle of (IIRC) 18 year old Lagavulin. I know it was a bit pricey but I wasn't really impressed.
I usually drink good Scotch neat, sometimes with one ice cube. The Lagavulin just didn't impress me when I drank it like that.
Then a long-time Lagavulin drinker said I need to put just a wee dram of water in it.
Wow...what a difference. I shed a tear when that bottle was gone.
I like it now although I don't always buy it. It's a nice change of pace though.
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how much water? kinda the same amount as a melted cube?
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Originally posted by Nilsen
how much water?
About half way between a tad and a smidgen.
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I got into a big argument with a know it all guy who I worked with once. I told some people that very fine single malts are meant to be savored with a splash of pure water.
He said that you should only drink them neat.
I got that information from a guy who was from Scotland (very old fellow). It seems the water improves the nose of the drink and unleashes flavor that is not detectable neat.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
About half way between a tad and a smidgen.
a dash would be too much then? a splash out of the question.
im not so sophisticated. i just drop 2 small or one big cube in a glass and when its all melted its ready.
sometimes i even put some scotch in the glass ;)
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Weird as I am, I can't tell you exactly how much water. I can tell you this, though.... I used filtered water through a Brita pitcher.
Usually, I'd pour about 2 fingers of the Lagavulin in an "old fashioned" glass and put in maybe a teaspoon or so of water. It wasn't a "science" thing though... I just put a splash in and gave it a swirl and let it sit a minute or two. It really made the "peaty" taste more subtle and just great. If it tasted a bit to watery... easy to fix. If it needed a bit more water... a quick flip of the wrist and it was done.
Since that experiment, I've taken to adding small amounts of water to Scotch. I do like the result.
Like Habu, I've seen the "add water" comment from folks that are supposed to "know" about Scotch too.
For those that want an "official" opinion:
Ask the Scotch Doc (http://www.scotchdoc.com/tsd/ask/)
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Everyone has his own taste; drink what you like and how you like and if someone doesn't like it... give him a "bird" and tell him/her to take care of his/hers own busines.
I take mine "straight" but then again I eat Jalopenos as snacks; hotter the better.
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What a nonsence.
Maybe I am a person deprived of a sence to "grok" Scotch, but I can't understand how people can enjoy this village moonshine. Especially telling each other that with a drop of water it gets better.
If you want are hungry and want ot have a good meal with some nice food - drink vodka with friends. If you want some taste and flavour - drink cognac with a cigar.
Scoth is simply out of my circle of understanding.
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Originally posted by Boroda
Scoth is simply out of my circle of understanding.
I don`t thik this will make headline news. :)
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Originally posted by Jackal1
I don`t thik this will make headline news. :)
Sure ;)
It's not a drink that matters, it's a company. With good friends you may drink pure spirit (not a bad choice tho) or cheap village moonshine and still have more fun then drinking 100 years old Cognac with people you don't like.
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(http://www.liamsirishpub.us/images/jameson_3.jpg)
Accept no substitute!
PS: If you type "Jameson" into google and hit "images"...be mindful of who's in the room! :o
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Originally posted by Boroda
Sure ;)
It's not a drink that matters, it's a company. With good friends you may drink pure spirit (not a bad choice tho) or cheap village moonshine and still have more fun then drinking 100 years old Cognac with people you don't like.
thats why i like drinking alone
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Originally posted by Nilsen
thats why i like drinking alone
Drinking alone = alcoholism.
Drinking has to be a social event. Otherwise it's just washing away your problems with spirit.
I mean "drink" = "getting drunk".
Now I drink alone. Only beer, but still alone...
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