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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Furball on July 20, 2005, 05:00:52 PM
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now that the token america planes have been done... ;)
bring on the Spitfires!
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And the 109s!!!! *more drool*!!!
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and hopefully....
A complete lineup of 7 SPITFIRES, 109s, and 190s
pleeeeeeeease
:D
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put some malcolm hood on spitfires also:)
last but not least
A complete lineup of 7 SPITFIRES, 109s, and 190s
pleeeeeeeease
SPITFIRES
Spit 1 (with 100 octane fuel)
Spit 5b (+12 max WEP)
Spit F 9 (current spit 9 is a Frankenstein!)
Spit LF 9c OR Spit LF 8
Spit LF 9e OR Spit LF 16
Spit F 14 (+21 boost)
109s
109E-4 (with DB 601N engine)
109F-4 (remove GONDOLAS option)
109G-2
109G-6
109G-10
109G-14 (this is a 109G-6 with MW-50 booost)
190s
(pls remove 190A-5, turn it to 190A-6)
190A-3
190F-3 (1st ground attack variant of 190s)
190A-6 (almost same as 190A-5 but stregntened wings and an option of 4x MG 151s instead of MG FFs)
190A-8 (with BMW 801 TS engine this time ;))
190F-8 (with BMW 801 TS, 2nd ground attack variant of 190s,)
190D-9
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Ya know, if they're gonna mess with the gauges, I'd prefer they leave them alone - unless HTC is being subsidized by hardware manufacturers :)
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IK3, don't push it :P
I'd settle for a de-UFOed SptiV and a de-nerfed spitIX. If they change the flight models on what we HAVE, I'd be happy. If they add any more, that's icing on the cake.
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No we need more American planes fixed like the F4U's.
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What's wrong with the F4u's now?
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Nuthin wrong, just need redone.
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Id say all the american stuff gets done first
ITS zee bestest!11111
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Originally posted by SuperDud
No we need more American planes fixed like the F4U's.
what he said
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I'll give that one an AMEN! :)
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So you want a game called US fighters?
Cos thats what it will be if you get your way. Don't forget people from all over this planet pay good money to play this game.
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Don't forget that the most of the blue planes plus the P-40s need a rework too, Supes. Let's petition HTC to remodel F4Us, F6Fs, F4Fs, and P-40s in the next patch instead of Eurocrud.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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HurriIIb, Yak9M..
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Blue Planes and Spitfires
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a6m's and la's need redone next...
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P
40
N
:eek:
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PBY Catalina, D. 520 and the IAR8 is all that is needed.
Maybe the Swordfish.
Karaya
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I think the more popular planes should be redone first. Then move on to the lesser used planes.
What about adding the 109 k4?
Also whats wrong with the Spit V? It was recognised as the best all around spit there is. Later models are faster but as everyone knows...with speed comes a wider turn.
With the size of maps, I'd like to see aircraft fuel more in line with their real life flight times.
Spits and 109s alike would benefit from this.
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AWRaid,
Our Bf109G-10 is a Bf109K-4 in all but name.
Generally the Spitfire Mk LF.Mk IX got the nod as the best all round Spitfire. The Spitfire LF.Mk VIII might have beat it for that if it had been more common.
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Stang, I'd wet myself if I saw a P40n.
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and the N1K2-J and A6Ms, Ki-61s!!! droooool
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mitsui no no no don't you know Only US planes should be done! Says so in here:rolleyes:
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Coulda swore much of the remodeling was being done with TOD in mind.
Seems like that puts the ETO birds up first doesn't it?
So Spits and 109s make sense since the 190s, 51s, Jugs and 38s have been done.
B17, B26, Ju88(Maybe a solid nose nightfighter variant as seen by the daylight bombers on occasion) and the Me110 would be on the list, with the 262 and 163 at some point.
Tempest, Mossie and Tiffie too? :)
Dan/CorkyJr
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i think the spit line up we have at the moment is fine. maybe a mk7 or mk 8 to fill a gap..
what is really needed is the wing type options. clipped, gun lay out. also engine boosts need to be fixed.
as far as 109s go they are pretty well spread for the duration.. only thing i would fix is the bracing around the cockpit..
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SELECTOR,
So having:
1939: Spitfire Mk Ia (+6lbs boost, saw no combat)
1940:
1941:
1942: Spitfire Mk Vc (+16lbs boost), Spitfire F.Mk IXc (Merlin 61, only 300 built, +15lbs boost), Seafire Mk IIc (+16lbs boost, less than 300 built)
1943:
1944: Spitfire F.Mk XIV (+18lbs boost, fails to match historical climb rates and is highly perked)
1945:
is fine?
Why would you want a Spit VII? It was practically nonexistant.
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Originally posted by Skydancer
mitsui no no no don't you know Only US planes should be done!
Ya see, Skydancer knows what he's talking about!
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:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Skydancer
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I don't get it? One second your saying we should redo the F4U line and the next you're giving the eye roll? Are you just being sarcastic???
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AMERIKA PLENEZE!!!!1!!!1
MUer plenes america!!11!
iwantiwantiwatnt!!11!
ROLR
(http://furballunderground.com/blueknights_pictures/userfiles/Furball/New%20Bitmap%20Image.GIF)
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Originally posted by Furball
AMERIKA PLENEZE!!!!1!!!1
MUer plenes america!!11!
iwantiwantiwatnt!!11!
ROLR
(http://furballunderground.com/blueknights_pictures/userfiles/Furball/New%20Bitmap%20Image.GIF)
What can you say to that really??? LOL as always Furball, you've outdone yourself:eek: :rofl
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Originally posted by SuperDud
What can you say to that really??? LOL as always Furball, you've outdone yourself:eek: :rofl
i'm not a 12 year old American really, honest, i just do a good bbs impression...
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Originally posted by Stang
P
40
N
:eek:
No doubt. I had the figures in a previous post, but the P40N was Curtiss's last attempt to make the fighter "war-worthy". There were something like 3500 built. 360 mph at 12Kish, max ord of 1500 lbs. Only problem was that the P51 and later model P47s were out by late 1944 when the N was being delivered.
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Originally posted by Furball
i'm not a 12 year old American really, honest, i just do a good bbs impression...
Funny you say that b/c to be honest, I'm not a 24 year old female. I just look good in drag.
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Back to the subject...
Bring on teh Spifires (and 109s and 190s)
please:)
pleeeeeeeease
SPITFIRES
Spit 1 (with 100 octane fuel)
Spit 5b (+12 max WEP)
Spit F 9 (current spit 9 is a Frankenstein!)
Spit LF 9c OR Spit LF 8
Spit LF 9e OR Spit LF 16
Spit F 14 (+21 boost)
109s
109E-4 (with DB 601N engine)
109F-4 (remove GONDOLAS option)
109G-2
109G-6
109G-10
109G-14 (this is a 109G-6 with MW-50 booost)
190s
(pls remove 190A-5, turn it to 190A-6)
190A-3 (first variant Fw-190s in numbers)
190F-3 (1st ground attack variant of 190s)
190A-6 (almost same as 190A-5 but stregntened wings and an option of 4x MG 151s instead of MG FFs)
190A-8 (with BMW 801 TS engine this time )
190F-8 (with BMW 801 TS, 2nd ground attack variant of 190s,)
190D-9
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Originally posted by 1K3
Back to the subject...
Bring on teh Spifires (and 109s and 190s)
please:)
pleeeeeeeease
SPITFIRES
Spit 1 (with 100 octane fuel)
Spit 5b (+12 max WEP)
Spit F 9 (current spit 9 is a Frankenstein!)
Spit LF 9c OR Spit LF 8
Spit LF 9e OR Spit LF 16
Spit F 14 (+21 boost)
109s
109E-4 (with DB 601N engine)
109F-4 (remove GONDOLAS option)
109G-2
109G-6
109G-10
109G-14 (this is a 109G-6 with MW-50 booost)
190s
(pls remove 190A-5, turn it to 190A-6)
190A-3 (first variant Fw-190s in numbers)
190F-3 (1st ground attack variant of 190s)
190A-6 (almost same as 190A-5 but stregntened wings and an option of 4x MG 151s instead of MG FFs)
190A-8 (with BMW 801 TS engine this time )
190F-8 (with BMW 801 TS, 2nd ground attack variant of 190s,)
190D-9
Real Close
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SPITFIRES
1940 Spit 1 (with 100 octane fuel)
1941 Spit 5b (+12 max WEP)
1942 Spit F 9 (Merlin 61, std boost)
1943 Spit LF 8 (Merlin 66, std boost)
1944 Spit LF XVI (+25lbs boost, 150 grade fuel,clipped wings)
1944/45 Spit F 14 (+21 boost, 150 grade fuel)
1944? Seafire L III (Merlin 55M, +16lbs boost))
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Kev, without a 1941 109F-2 or a 1942 Fw190A-2, why would you want to see a 1941 Spit Vb? What would you match it against?
Do you see any requests for the 109F-4 to be replaced by a 109F-2? I don't.
Makes more sense to just add the drop tank option to the Spit Vc we have, label it properly, and your done, unless HTC is going to add a 1941 LW fighter.
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I was only looking at a Spit lineup, to be honest I don't know enough about 109s to make a guess at a good range for them.
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Originally posted by Squire
Kev, without a 1941 109F-2 or a 1942 Fw190A-2, why would you want to see a 1941 Spit Vb? What would you match it against?
Do you see any requests for the 109F-4 to be replaced by a 109F-2? I don't.
Makes more sense to just add the drop tank option to the Spit Vc we have, label it properly, and your done, unless HTC is going to add a 1941 LW fighter.
What's wrong with the Vb - F-4 matchup? They were contemporary opponents and I think that would be a good matchup.
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Hey Pyro can we get the Spits redone next?
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Skydancer, someone from HTC has already stated spits and 109s are next.
Pyro can now model a clipped wing spit, i know he wants to.:) Mmmmm.....spits.
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Originally posted by Pyro
What's wrong with the Vb - F-4 matchup? They were contemporary opponents and I think that would be a good matchup.
Maybe he is thinking of the very early Spitfire Mk Vb with the fabric control surfaces, float carburator and Hispano Mk Is rather than the more common Spitfire Mk Vb with metal control surfaces, improved stopgap carburator, Hispano Mk IIs at +12lbs boost.
I still like the list I posted in the Aircraft and Vehicles forum:
Spitfire Mk Ia (+12lbs boost)
Spitfire Mk Vb (+12lbs boost, metal control surfaces)
Spitfire F.Mk IXc (Merlin 61 at +15lbs boost)
Spitfire LF.Mk VIII (Merlin 66 at +18lbs boost and full span wings)
Spitfire F.Mk XIV (Griffon 65 at +21lbs boost, perked)
Spitfire LF.Mk XVI (Merlin 266 at +25lbs boost, clipped wings, lightly perked?)
Seafire L.Mk III (By far the most common wartime Seafire)
That gives a usable Spitfire coverage for any theater and any year of WWII.
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Originally posted by SuperDud
Funny you say that b/c to be honest, I'm not a 24 year old female. I just look good in drag.
AAAAAAAAhahahahahahhahahaaaaa aaaaaa.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Maybe he is thinking of the very early Spitfire Mk Vb with the fabric control surfaces, float carburator and Hispano Mk Is rather than the more common Spitfire Mk Vb with metal control surfaces, improved stopgap carburator, Hispano Mk IIs at +12lbs boost.
I still like the list I posted in the Aircraft and Vehicles forum:
Spitfire Mk Ia (+12lbs boost)
Spitfire Mk Vb (+12lbs boost, metal control surfaces)
Spitfire F.Mk IXc (Merlin 61 at +15lbs boost)
Spitfire LF.Mk VIII (Merlin 66 at +18lbs boost and full span wings)
Spitfire F.Mk XIV (Griffon 65 at +21lbs boost, perked)
Spitfire LF.Mk XVI (Merlin 266 at +25lbs boost, clipped wings, lightly perked?)
Seafire L.Mk III (By far the most common wartime Seafire)
That gives a usable Spitfire coverage for any theater and any year of WWII.
Spit XVI lightly perked? your having a laugh. Only a Merlin 266, not a Griffon engined spit.
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It would be great if clipped wings could be chosen in the loadout screen as with bombs/rockets. To be honest i would be over the moon if even a single spit had clipped wings.
I do like Karnak's list.:)
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Originally posted by thrila
It would be great if clipped wings could be chosen in the loadout screen as with bombs/rockets. To be honest i would be over the moon if even a single spit had clipped wings.
I do like Karnak's list.:)
I suggested something like this recently to HTC, but was told it isn't possible. The bits like weapon pylons that are removeable in the loadout screen don't have all the necessary forces modelled.
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There is no way in heck the spitfire 1 had +12 (the same as the spitfire Vb), when it had far far inferior performance and an earlier engine. Dream on.
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Originally posted by Skydancer
So you want a game called US fighters?
We`ll put Mr. Hines on that right away.
Want to invest some cash?
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Kev367th,
The performance at +25lbs boost very well might require a 5 to 10 perk point price. It would out perform the current +18lbs boost Spitfire Mk XIV at lower altitudes.
Originally posted by Krusty
There is no way in heck the spitfire 1 had +12 (the same as the spitfire Vb), when it had far far inferior performance and an earlier engine. Dream on.
This has been covered. The BoB Spitfire Mk Is were at +12lbs boost.
Unless you have some evidence that counters the rather firm evidence for the +12lbs boost Spitfire Mk Is I suggest you accept that they were at +12lbs.
I don;t really understand why you think the fact that the initial Spitfire MK Vs were at +12lbs boost means that the Spitfire Mk Is could not have been.
Does the Spitfire Mk XIV's initial +18lbs boost mean that the Spitfire LF.Mk IX could not have been at +18lbs, or even +25lbs, boost then?
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Karnak - Yes maybe faster at lower alts than our current XIV, this is no reason to perk it. Geez, still plenty of unperked faster low alt planes than a 25lbs boost XVI.
Krusty - Spit 1 Merlins converison for 100 fuel began March 1940, the fuel was released to squadrons in May 1940, the same time Churchill came to power, co-incidence? I think not.
They had stockpiled huge amounts of 100 grade fuel before the war even began.
The only Spit 1's that 'might' have used 87 grade fuel in wartime would have been during the Battle of France.
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"We`ll put Mr. Hines on that right away.
Want to invest some cash?"
I already invest my cash in this game every month as do many others from around the world. Therefore I think it right that other nationalities planes get done as well as US planes.
So Jackal the answer is no I don't :D
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Pyro, the problem is if you just have one version of the SpitV, the SpitVb of 1941 is of less use overall than a SpitVc (length of service, theaters of ops, it has a bomb, ect), imho anyways.
If I had to pick one it would be the Spit Vc of 1942 but I dont know what additions you have planned, we have to guess :)
Its also been pointed out that the 109F-4 runs at a 1942 ata rating in AH, so while everybody clamors for a 1941 Spit Vb, none of the LW fighters are from 1941 (109F-4, 109G-2, Fw 190A-5). Im talking about TOD matchups not just the MA.
It would be great to have both the Spit Vb (1941 rated) and Spit Vc (1942 rated), that would cover the bases for the Mk.V. If the 109F-4 stays as is, thats not a big deal.
...and of course an un-hybrid F. IXc and a 43-44 LF IXc (or LF VIIIc or LF XVIe).
Regards.
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Originally posted by Squire
Pyro, the problem is if you just have one version of the SpitV, the SpitVb of 1941 is of less use overall than a SpitVc (length of service, theaters of ops, it has a bomb, ect), imho anyways.
If I had to pick one it would be the Spit Vc of 1942 but I dont know what additions you have planned, we have to guess :)
Its also been pointed out that the 109F-4 runs at a 1942 ata rating in AH, so while everybody clamors for a 1941 Spit Vb, none of the LW fighters are from 1941 (109F-4, 109G-2, Fw 190A-5). Im talking about TOD matchups not just the MA.
It would be great to have both the Spit Vb (1941 rated) and Spit Vc (1942 rated), that would cover the bases for the Mk.V. If the 109F-4 stays as is, thats not a big deal.
...and of course an un-hybrid F. IXc and a 43-44 LF IXc (or LF VIIIc or LF XVIe).
Regards.
I'd still go with a Vb instead of a Vc. It was much more the dominant Spit V flying out of England. They were Vbs flying with 501 Squadron over Normandy as an example in 44.
The Vc ended up more often in the MTO, CBI and Pac, and even then in the MTO there were lots of Vbs.
In terms of the MA I think, in particular if you have the increased boost in the LFV that the lower ammo load might slow the use down a bit.
So I'd still go with:
Spit Ia (covers 39 through 40 & B of B)
Spit Vb full span wings (41-42
Spit LFVIII with full span, universal wings (covers 43-45 in MTO, CBI and Pac Stand in for LFIX with universal wing43-45)
Spit LFIXe/XVIe with clipped wings(44-45 ETO)
Spit XIVe with full span wings. (44-45 ETO and CBI)
That gives the most coverage and bang for your buck whether it be scenarios or MA use.
Edited to add image of one of those 1944 Vbs of 501
Dan/CorkyJr
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/169_1120112041_5-dday02-001.jpg)
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(cough)
imo we still need Spit 9 (with merlin 61) stop-gap fighter to cover 1942-43
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- Spitfires-
Spitfire MK.Ia ('40)
Spitfire F.MK.Vb ('41)
Spitfire F.Mk.Vc ('42)
Spitfire F.Mk IXc ('42)
Spitfire LF.MK.VIIIc ('43)
Spitfire LF.MK.XVIe ('44)
Spitfire F.MK.XIVe ('44) (perked)
7 planes, representing 5 years of combat
Notes:
* Spitfire F.MK.Vb('41) will be restricted to the 'b-wing' armament option. Total 120 rounds of 20mm cannons(60rpg)
* Spitfire F.MK.Vc('42) will be allowed the use of the 'universal wing' armament options. It will be given a hangar armament option of;
a) 8x 30cal
b) 4x 30cal + 2x 20mm(120rpg)
The 4x 20mm option for all the Spitfire variants with 'c' wings, is open for debate.
*The Spitfire F.Mk IXc ('42) will be removed of bombs, rockets, and M2 50cals.
*The Spitfire LF.Mk VIIIc will use the Merlin 66 engine, full length Universal wing. It will substitute the 1943 LF.Mk IX, as well as be suitable for Med. and Pac. theater usage.
*The Spitfire LF.Mk XVIe, will use the 1580 hp Packard R.R. Merlin266 at +25lbs Boost. Clipped wings, bubble canopy, and "E" wing option, with M2 50cals available. It's performance is between the Spit8 and the Spit14, and will be the best performing, free Spitfire.
*The Spitfire F.Mk XIV, will be raised to +21lbs boost to justify it's perked status and keep it as the ultimate Spitfire in AH.
quote:
- Bf109s-
Bf109E-4 ('40)
Bf109F-4 ('41)
Bf109G-2 ('42)
Bf109G-6 ('43)
Bf109G-14 ('44)
Bf109G-10 ('44)
Bf109K-4 ('44) (perked)
7 planes, representing five years of combat
Notes:
* All the Bf109 models(E-4~G-6), that does not use MW50, will be corrected in the WEP duration time, shortened to 5 minutes.
* The Bf109G-14, will use the DB605AM. MW50, 10min. WEP duration. 414mph max. speed
* The Bf109G-10, will be using the DB605DBM, 428mph top speed. This will the best performing free Bf109.
* The Bf109K-4, will be modelled separately from the G-10 - different engine cowl, fully retractable tail wheel.
This model will retain the former AH G-10 top speed of 452mph, and become the ultimate Bf109. It will be perked. Perhaps, inclusion of rare equipment such as Fletnners, or type U6 option with 2x MK108 wing gondolas could be justified, due to the newly introduced perk prices.
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* Spitfire F.MK.Vc('42) will be allowed the use of the 'universal wing' armament options. It will be given a hangar armament option of;
a) 8x 30cal
b) 4x 30cal + 2x 20mm(120rpg)
The 4x 20mm option for all the Spitfire variants with 'c' wings, is open for debate.
There is no evidence that the Spitfire Vc ever used 8 303's. It was capable, but it wasn't used in practice.
There were some early Spitfire Va's with 8 303s but they were not universal wing Spits. Douglas Bader's kite being one of these.
If I had a say, and I know I don't :) I wouldn't have the 4 20mm cannon armament usable in the MA. It might make sense for scenario use in a latewar MTO scenario, as they did get used in the ground attack role there with 4 20mms. But they weren't dog fighters in that configuration.
Still think the XVIe should be a high back as the skinning options for wartime XVIs would be much greater, and I think they look better, but that's just me :)
Dan/CorkyJr
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"Vbs flying with 501 Squadron over Normandy as an example in 44."
-Thats an Spit L.F. Vb.
From Spring 1943 with a +18 lbs boost Merlin 50M. It has no relation to a 1941 Spit Vb Guppy.
...and yes you do need a Spit F.IX otherwise you have nothing for 1942-early 43 at all.
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Weren't the Spitfire Vc that were launched off carriers to reinforce Malta air defenses configured with the 4x 20mm cannons and didn't Vc also see limited service over Greece in a fighter role?
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Squire
"Vbs flying with 501 Squadron over Normandy as an example in 44."
-Thats an Spit L.F. Vb.
From Spring 1943 with a +18 lbs boost Merlin 50M. It has no relation to a 1941 Spit Vb Guppy.
...and yes you do need a Spit F.IX otherwise you have nothing for 1942-early 43 at all.
Understood on the LF part of the equation. I'm thinking more of the armament option.
If we are limited to one Spit V, I think it still should be the earlier Vb. It could stand in for a 44 Vb should it ever be needed in a scenario.
Obviously if we got more then one, then the Vb and Vc idea makes great sense :)
I'm just not holding my breath on that.
Dan/CorkyJr
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Weren't the Spitfire Vc that were launched off carriers to reinforce Malta air defenses configured with the 4x 20mm cannons and didn't Vc also see limited service over Greece in a fighter role?
ack-ack
The Spit Vcs launched off the Wasp had 4 cannon. But once down, two were removed to save weight and increase performance. It was a convnient way to get more 20 mms to Malta as well.
Vcs saw a lot of action over Malta, Siciily and Italy.
The only place I've ever seen photos of 4 cannon Spits used operationally on a squadron wide basis was with 2 Squadron SAAF over Italy in the ground attack role.
Images of top to bottom, 2 Squadron 4 cannon Spit Vc over Italy.
Spit Vc with 4 cannon being loaded on to Wasp
Spit Vc from Wasp after repaint on Wasp and removal of 2 cannon after arrival on Malta.
Not many are going to want the performance robbing Vokes filter to go with those 4 cannons either :)
Dan/CorkyJr
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/169_1105579700_4cannonspitvc.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/169_1105579654_waspspitvc.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/169_1105579634_maltaspit.jpg)
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In regards to the Spit VIII or Spit LF IX for 43-44, my preference is the Spit LF IX.
Reason: TOD will be ETO and the LF IX served in ETO and MED. It was also the most used varient of the Merlin 66 Spits.
It would help to know what new types if any were coming, because we are debating "what ifs" dependant on types we dont know will be added. Thats ok, Im just saying its hard to decide when you are guessing .
*Kweassa's list is still very good for both the 109s and Spits, I hope HTC has a hard look at it.*
P.S. 4 x 20mm for the Spit Vc. I say "no" as it was a minor varient and its potential for overuse is high. Same with the 109F-4s gondolas, take them off.
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Yup get rid of the gondolas with the 109F-4.
Kweassa's list is perfect for AH.
Spitfire MK.Ia ('40)
Spitfire F.MK.Vb ('41)
Spitfire F.Mk.Vc ('42)
Spitfire F.Mk IXc ('42)
Spitfire LF.MK.VIIIc ('43)
Spitfire LF.MK.XVIe ('44)
Spitfire F.MK.XIVe ('44)
I am not sure if it matters whether HT does a LF.VIII or an LF.IX. WETO will probrably get the most focus in ToD as Squire says. However, If they do a VIII they might be convinced to add a clipped wing LF.IX at some point.
As for having to Spit V variants (Vb @ 12lbs and Vc @ 16lbs) I think that would be a great idea.
But certainly no 4 x 2cm...
The main 109 needed for AH and ToD is the G-14. It would great if HT could do a separate G-10 and K-4 (or just get rid of the 2cm option and call it a K-4).
However, all the wishful thinking so far hasn't gotten that much...
My prediction is...
No new 109s
1 new Spitfire and it will be Spitfire LF.MK IX clipped wing...
I am 55% - 45% on the new Spitfire. After all there's still a P-51H, P-38K, P-63c that AH doesn't have. We all know AH needs more late war Ami planes...
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nah, just add the Bearcat.
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I am 55% - 45% on the new Spitfire. After all there's still a P-51H, P-38K, P-63c that AH doesn't have. We all know AH needs more late war Ami planes...
Well we will never see a p38K , iirc there was only two built and one was actually a P-38E converted to a K , used to test the high activity Hamilton standard props . The only actually P-38K was never photographed . ..... 38
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I guess my attempt at sarcasm slipped by...
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you need to be a bit more blatant, they are a bit slow... try this: -
AM
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Originally posted by Furball
you need to be a bit more blatant, they are a bit slow... try this: -
AM
YEAH@!!!# We need new F4U's and a B29!!#@!#!@
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Something to consider re the Malta Spitfires as well, since they were often scrambled on short notice rate of climb was very important. I think they felt that what firepower addition 4 cannons might have given, the extra weight and drag was simply not worth it. In ground attack roles...thats not as big an issue. Which is why you rarely see 4 cannon spits unless they are Vcs in the Desert or Med doing fighter-bomber duty.
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Originally posted by Wotan
I guess my attempt at sarcasm slipped by...
Well the p-51h and the P-63c where both delivered before the end of WW2 , the p-38K was a prototype , So if your going to be sarcastic , try to be more over the top than that .
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Delivery? Who mentioned delivery?
The sarcasm is here and obvious:
We all know AH needs more late war Ami planes..
Maybe I should have phrased it like Furball:
AM
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Originally posted by Wotan
The sarcasm is here and obvious:
he's a MAW.... :D ;)
maybe start adding colours to the sentence to highlight sarcasm to make it easier for them
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This thread needs more pictures: -
(http://furballunderground.com/blueknights_pictures/userfiles/Furball/SpitfireMV238.jpg)
(http://www.airforce.forces.gc.ca/equip/grfx/equip_gallery/historic_gallery/wallpaper/spitfire.jpg)
(http://www.superiorshine.com/shine%20spitfire.jpg)
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Spitfire LF Mk. XVI (model)
YUMMY!:D
(http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2002/11/images/brabaszynski_spitxvi_20.jpg)
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Bf-109G-14 (courtesy of Il-2)
(http://rafiger.de/Homepage/FBMuseum/Info-JG5/Bilder/Bf-109G14-Blue8.jpg)
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Originally posted by 1K3
Spitfire LF Mk. XVI (model)
(http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2002/11/images/brabaszynski_spitxvi_20.jpg)
Give me an AH version of that one and I'll fly it, even if I don't like the look as much of the bubble canopy.
Those are accurate markings on that model for a late war 2 TAF Polish flown Spit of 308 Squadron
Dan/CorkyJr
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Spitfire LF Mk. VIII (?)
Creamy :aok
(http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/9378/spit21.jpg)
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Spitfire XIVe, Flying out of Texas these days If memory serves.
Markings are for 17 Squadron, flown by B of B ace Ginger Lacey
Dan/CorkyJr
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Bf-109G-10
(http://www.warbirdphotos.net/aviapix/Fighters/Me109/bf109g.jpg)
(http://www.warbirdphotos.net/aviapix/Fighters/Me109/bf109-23.jpg)
(http://www.warbirdphotos.net/aviapix/Fighters/Me109/bf109-32.jpg)
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Spitfire XIVe, Flying out of Texas these days If memory serves.
Markings are for 17 Squadron, flown by B of B ace Ginger Lacey
Dan/CorkyJr
oops I just noticed the long nose, a bulge on engine exhaust, and a big-fat propeller.
thx for correcting
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Redo the spits and give us the gloster meteor.
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Originally posted by Hoarach
Redo the spits and give us the gloster meteor.
Hey, I like you - i like your thinking, makes me feel guilty for killing you yesterday.
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I want this :
(http://aerostories.free.fr/reaction/vamp.vol.nb.JPG)