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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: elc7367b on July 22, 2005, 08:41:07 AM
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I have to disagree with several of my squad mates and many of my countrymen (Bish) about the numbers situation. True it can be very frustrating to be numericaly overwhelmed in what seems to be a more often than not situation.
I for one, like the challenge. It does at times get old but in order to counter the challenge different strategies need to be employed. It gets old trying to up from a capped field. Since one side may be at a numerical disadvantage, measures need to be taken to minimize that disadvantage. This means, in my opinion. upping from a field thats further away from the main battle. It means spending time climbing to altitude to give you a little advantage. This herein lies part of the problem. In our "immediate gratification" mentality, there are few that want to do that.
I understand that some people may only have a limited amount of online time to play the game and that doesnt fit into their playing style. But when fighting at a numerical disadvantage different tactics need to be employed. It also requires teamwork. I am ready to join missions that others create. I am not a mission planner, I am a mission follower. I have not seen a large amount of cohesiveness displayed amongst the Bish. Everyone seems to want to fight their own battle. Again that is understandable for each person pays their money to play their way.
I call on all Bish who read this to respond back if you are interested in working together to counter the numerical disadvantage. Lets have squads work together with various roles to achieve a common objective. We may not win the war but if we focused on certain areas we can win our own "little" wars. This tactic was used to much success by the Rooks when they started their Sunday joint operations or whatever it was called. There are several squads with large numbers that if combined and work together can make a major dent. There are also smaller squads that can either join in or create diversionary strikes or create screens to help the main push succeed.
Maybe what I am looking for will materialize in the forthcoming TOD. What makes this game interesting for me may not be interesting for the others.
In conclusion, any Bish that are interested in joint squad ops speak up. Rather than complain about the numbers (In war numbers are more often than not equal) lets work together to devise a strategy that can work.
Well those are my thoughts, I am open for suggestions. Thanks for reading.
Muttman
Sick Puppies
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Numerical disadvantages?
You better grab some Spits and Hurricanes!:D
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Best Of Luck to you Chaps. Was done before can be done again!
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If you actually try to fight the red guys instead of only hitting undefended fields you might find you can stop the other country's toolshedders quite easily.
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Originally posted by Stang
If you actually try to fight the red guys instead of only hitting undefended fields you might find you can stop the other country's toolshedders quite easily.
Wait a minute! You actually want us to go looking for the enemy?!?!?!
You are MAD, just MAD I say!:eek:
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I know.
:D
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Originally posted by Clifra Jones
Wait a minute! You actually want us to go looking for the enemy?!?!?!
You are MAD, just MAD I say!:eek:
Why do you think they turned "Killshooter" on? So the Bish couldn't attack each other. :D
BadaBING, badaBOOM!
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Ren
The Damned
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All right, please, enough of the sophomoric humor. I attempted to open a discussion about concerns I have heard. I ask that you respect that and if the call for answers doesnt pertain to you then please leave it alone.
Thanks
Muttman
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Originally posted by elc7367b
All right, please, enough of the sophomoric humor. I attempted to open a discussion about concerns I have heard. I ask that you respect that and if the call for answers doesnt pertain to you then please leave it alone.
Thanks
Muttman
I gotta agree with you. Keep killshooter on!
:D
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Ren
The Damned
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Originally posted by elc7367b
All right, please, enough of the sophomoric humor. I attempted to open a discussion about concerns I have heard. I ask that you respect that and if the call for answers doesnt pertain to you then please leave it alone.
Thanks
Muttman
Sorry Mutt, but a lot of us just see these discrussion as rather pointless. I know I do. There are at least 3-4 threads right now on this subject that to me amount to a whole lot of sour grapes. I am speaking from a Bish point of view also. Sure, we got rolled the last 3 maps. So what! Sure there are a lot of fair weather pilots on the Bish side right now. What are you gonna do about that? Yeah, a few high profile Bish squads changed sides lately, oh well.
I just dont see it as a problem that a little patients won't resolve. Last night the sides where relatively balanced and it was a good nights for fights.
If the Tool Sheaders and the Base Capturers on the Bish are getting frustrated because they can't have "their" fun then I guess they now know how some of us feel when they interfere with "our" fun.
HiTech, here is my suggestion. It ain't broke, don't fix it!
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hey muttman,
just look for Spaz0 or BCool, and the 490th would be all about it.
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hey muttman,
just look for Spaz0 or BCool, and the 490th would be all about it.
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Actually my joshing is a result of the evolution of the game. It would appear the younger group of players have never heard of playing as a team. Other than an occasional mission being thrown up in someones country everybody goes about their own business. 80 self neamed( wannabe?) generals per country in the arena per night confirm that. In olden days, or as those without English in school would say, back in the day, squad leaders would get together with other squad leaders in their country and work together as a team to accomplish certain goals and/or objectives. This might go on for a whole month (read tour). It promoted team play and was a whole lot of fun for all.
So what's changed? Just like the cheerleaders standing on the street corner with buckets asking for free money (like the "will work for food" beggars) iso having a car wash or some other money making venture to earn the money they want (need?) it's so much easier to come to the BBS and whine about "the numbers are off".
Suggestion...have the squad's get together and have some fun....
Oh yeah, IMHO the Army really messed up when they came up with the slogan "An Army of One" because it makes young'ns think they can do it all by themselves....sorry it don't work that way. In fact, the only guy you wouldn't want in a foxholl with you is someone braver than you. Other than that the more the merrier, and if you keep a low profile they'll be looking at the other guys while you pop em.
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Ren
The Damned
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No offence intended Clifra Jones, but if you feel this discussion is rather pointless, why bother to even reply. I am not here to complain, I am not here to whine, I am here to see if anyone is interested in trying something different.
I am not here to cross wits with anyone and if I find the majority of the replies to be that way I will be through with this and ask HTC to close the thread. I am dissapointed in a lot of the attacks that take place on the boards, especially when someone attempts to do something they consider constructive.
To all those that think this is pointless and dont care, why bother replying at all. On second thought, to those that the last sentence applies to forget it because your input is not asked for. To those seriously interested thanks for your response.
Muttman
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DamnedRen, that is the type of response I was looking for and would expect from a "mature" forum. Thank you. I guess what I personally am looking for in the game is just what you described used to be. The point of my initial post was to seek those bish players and squads interested in trying it together as a "team".
I recieved that response from Nightshift82 and will look for them next time Im online and try and hash stuff out. Hopefully by then there will have been others of similar desires that have responded.
Muttman
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been others of similar desires
:rofl
oh yea....forgot...
IN
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Originally posted by elc7367b
No offence intended Clifra Jones, but if you feel this discussion is rather pointless, why bother to even reply. I am not here to complain, I am not here to whine, I am here to see if anyone is interested in trying something different.
Muttman
Don't limit yourself to one other squad. There's lots of them out there that would like to team up for some common goal other than a couple of base captures. Take the bull by the horns and start conversations with those other squads. It's easy to find out who the suqad leaders are in your country. Shoot em emails, etc.
It's not a great idea to bring it to the boards. Why would you want to telegraph you're thoughts and ideas to the other two countries? Seeing as how this is a sim that takes WW2 type flying into play think about this...."Loose lips, sink ships".
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Ren
The Damned
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What happened to the "damm the torpedos, full speed ahead" attitude?
Oh, maybe thats just the Knight admirals I'm thinking of, we could send you a few.
Seriously, numbers ebb and flow, it'll change back.
Geez, seems like the bish won a few not too long ago.
Anywhere to get stats on resets?
Also, maybe it's the time your flying, it seems that sometimes the countries get aligned a little on time zones?
As a squad, it's fun to switch around from time to time, go fly with the guys you're used to shooting down and shoot down the guys you're used to flying with, can't really blame anyone for that.
I'm, sure that any form of social engineering by HT would be a disaster, ENY is already trouble enough, but it is a well thought out balancer and is somewhat effective. I doubt the game needs any form of virtual socialism to make it better, it would probably be detrimental. Coadism = Marxism = set my people free!
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I am not complaining bout the numbers. I have heard complaints about it and am looking for sensible solutions from Bish. As far as telegraphing what might happen on the BBs I dont see that as an issue. Once interest is shown then arrangements can be made privately.
The Bish have won resets and yes the numbers ebb and flow. I know nothing new is presented here. To me the quickest way to make contact with those interested is on the BBs. After that other forms of communication will take place.
Thanks for the responses.
Muttman
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This #'s thing goes in cycles and its our turn..tides of war
I'd be happy to assist Sick Puppies anytime, look me up or DH in the game please
As far as all the ones that wanna kick us when were down and generalize what the Bish players are all like, go ahead lol
For me, it beats being at work,no matter what the #'s are or map looks like :aok
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I'll point out something we Bish keep doing thats kicking us in the ass...... the enemy will send in 3 or 4 fighters into our base. now all of a sudden everyone who had alt comes screaming down and we have everyone chasing these 3-4 planes. Then over the radio you here "B17's from the west" "lancs from the "east"
Now everybody is 1000 ft of the deck and we have no chance of reaching the bombers who blow up our hangers. Now comes the enemy horde to clean up.
I've seen it so much lately i can set my watch on the when the bombers are coming.
suggestion... some of us need to stay high and wait for the buffs and let the low alt guys handle the 1st wave of fighters.
Just my observations
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I agree with ya elyeh, its not like there is a lack of targets to deal with. Its possible that the reason that happens is a limited amount of online time that creates the instant gratification mentatlity, or its just the way they want to play. In that case, its their dime and they can spend it the way the want.
With some agreed coordination, however, that scenario may be a little more difficult to play out. That brings us back to the original intention of the initial post. Thanks for responding.
Muttman
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the enemy will send in 3 or 4 fighters into our base. now all of a sudden everyone who had alt comes screaming down and we have everyone chasing these 3-4 planes.
riiiiight....lol
this is the reason why all the bish are flying la7s :)
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Originally posted by Stang
If you actually try to fight the red guys instead of only hitting undefended fields you might find you can stop the other country's toolshedders quite easily.
One of the most satisfying things in th MA is having a handful of friends stop a horde of landgrabbers.:aok
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Muttman,
The SE's were all about joint ops when we were Bish. We always tried to join up with the 31st Bomber Barons. We did alot of joint missions together and the cohesiveness worked out very well between the 2 squads. You may want to get with those guys and see if they would like to join your squad on a joint op.
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hey mutt
the BoPs are always happy to run with others..we are a large squad so often we run self contained so as not to disrupt other bush from where they are.
the problem i see is this mutt....true when som esquads are working well together we can accomplish most things....but you like i work and probably need evenings to our family etc etc.
need some ideas that can work as to how to organize even when the main guys arent on.
:aok
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also segunner..miss you guys wish you were back....or at least not always attacking us =)
come home john boy~~~
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Falconwing,
Thank you sir!
I do honestly miss flying for the Bishops. Right now, we are having a great time over on the Knight side. Things change so you never know if we will come back Bish or not. I know one thing tho if we do change again it won't be Rooks. We got a very cold reception when we went rook. Matter of fact we were told to leave and go back Knits.
Once again thank you for the kind words.
Gunner
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It has gotten so bad that it is no longer fun to play AH, I find myself logging off earler every night now.
This game is going to become two sided before long.
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Originally posted by jtdragon
It has gotten so bad that it is no longer fun to play AH, I find myself logging off earler every night now.
This game is going to become two sided before long.
Sheesh, no it won't. You guys will probably have the most numbers again in a week...
Sounds like most of the Bish are noobs who haven't been here to see how the flow of the game goes. Don't worry, you guys will be porking toolsheds with impunity again in no time.
Fighter Hangar.
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Mutt....The Mafia is always up for any organized Ops. Be it Fighter sweep. Or base capture related...you name it ...we are ready to participate.
Contact me in game if you wish. G/L
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MugZ, Next time you dudes to a fightersweep I'd like to play too if there's room. :)
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In olden days, or as those without English in school would say, back in the day, squad leaders would get together with other squad leaders in their country and work together as a team to accomplish certain goals and/or objectives.
That's actually a good idea.
When my internet STARTS TO ****ING WORK I'll see if I can get the NDM together with other teams.
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Originally posted by jtdragon
It has gotten so bad that it is no longer fun to play AH, I find myself logging off earler every night now.
This game is going to become two sided before long.
Been in AH for 5-6 years now (at least back to when it was $30 a month)...this scenario afflicts each country with regularity--in 2001-2002, Rooks went with gettin reset once a day for like 6 months----was absurd; each night...85 Rooks, 150-170 Nits and Bish...each night was a race to see which country would get the 25 perks. At some point, after the predictable % of weasels had found some dubious reason as to why they didnt wanna fly Rooks anymore (other than getting ganged every night)--(same guys could be found vulching us next night;) ) We just hunkered down and made best of our few numbers...if a decnt number of guys act as a unit, numbers mean squat, as half of most country-members online at any given time just wanna furball, whether it be in tanks or planes...Also, the AK's helped us tremendously by flying Rook for a camp or 2 in the worst of it :aok
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There have been a lot of good responses since my original post. For the most pary everyone has kept things civil and mature. Thanks. I want to restate that the original intent of the post was not a complain or a whine about being outnumberd. Agreed that is going to happen. The original intent was to try and garner cohesiveness amongst those who chose to remain loyal to the Bishop side, nothing more.
Muttman