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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Siaf__csf on July 25, 2005, 05:42:03 PM
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Good old all family fun..
Bang sizzle pop! (http://tscmachine.com/images/Videos/RoanokeHIGH.wmv )
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Damn I wanna shoot a 42..
Well I know i'll be able to shoot a blank firing 42..
Hey..
Where was this filmed??!
I think I seriously recognized someone..
At 1:26 I think I recognize that women from my Civil War unit..
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great tune nice film thanks for posting it.
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YEa, sorry..
Great post!! ty
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Nothing sounds like a ma duece.
Goodness gracious that looked like fun.
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oh you crazy Americans!
Guns 'r' us!
Ravs
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That video scares ME!
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Was that Roanoke, VA? Cause if it was, thats my backyard... and nobody invited me. :(
Great film. :)
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Looks like a great fun
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Looks like a heck of a good time to me. That one woman sure got into it. "Rock and roll"
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Originally posted by Maverick
Looks like a heck of a good time to me. That one woman sure got into it. "Rock and roll"
Although silly-villians sure to like to waste ammo on full auto....
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Originally posted by Russian
Although silly-villians sure to like to waste ammo on full auto....
If it gives you a boner, it's not wasted. And I bet that lady had an 8 inch stiffy.
-Sik
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Great flick. Everybody had a smile from ear to ear.
:)
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looks like great fun, who wouldnt want to own a machine gun?
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Nobody fired a Thompson?!?! How can you have an automatic shooting spree without firing a Thompson! Thats like sex without the orgasm for God's sake!
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I thought I saw an MP5 with a drum. lmao
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What can I say.
Teaching Kids to fire big heavy caliber machine guns.
Thats crazy.
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I can't open it but figure it was a machine gun gathering...
skyprancer/cueball thought it was "crazy" so it had to be fun.
I think it is insane to tell people what kind of firearms they can own but realize that I would burn up a lot of ammo with a full auto.
lazs
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Originally posted by Skydancer
What can I say.
Teaching Kids to fire big heavy caliber machine guns.
Thats crazy.
Why?
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2:50 into the film a woman is firing a weapon from the hip. Anyone have an idea what it is?
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How much do you think they spent in ammo for that event !
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Kids are evil. They must be sheltered from temptation to further that evil.
Abstinence is the key to moral integrity.
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Looks like an HK rifle, Rooster:
http://www.hkpro.com/contents.htm
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Originally posted by SOB
Why?
Because Skydancer never had any firearm before and has no idea what it means. Since he does not have the experience or competence to use such a tool anyone who does is "crazy". It's much easier to deride someone else who goes beyond you than it is to open your mind and learn.
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I really liked the clips where the empty shells seemed to be returning to the chamber:D
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Those guys *do* have too much money.
I just hope for their parents and their own sake that none of those kids ever gets the idea of taking one of those arms to school.
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Skydancer is afraid of some inanimate objects and as such wants to insure that the world is rid of what he fears. We should not vilify him but pity him instead. He is severely limited in what he can appreciate.
:p :D
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Heh, I grew up in a cop's household. To me, growing up, a gun was just a tool, like a hoe or a hammer. My dad also carried me hunting at a very early age. With that kind of background I was never unduly enamored of guns. I do own a rifle, but never felt the need or desire to own a handgun, not that there's anything wrong with owning one. I just never felt the need. Everyone should have the right to own one, within reason.
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Now THAT looks like fun! I didn't see a single person shooting with their weapon sideways "gansta" style. :D
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Or upside down for that matter.
I remember an article where a cop praised the 'gangsta style' shooting for saving more lives than any other preventive measure untill that.
They can't aim when they hold the gun wrong.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Skydancer is afraid of some inanimate objects and as such wants to insure that the world is rid of what he fears. We should not vilify him but pity him instead. He is severely limited in what he can appreciate.
:p :D
Cut him some slack Mav, he is prolly one of those anti gun types, that on top of being very scared of guns, thinks they are evil and will make you do evil things by just being near one!
:rofl
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Actualy to put the record straight I'm not scared of them I don't realy have to be living here! I don't give a stuff if you guys want to teach little kids to fire assault weapons ( they do that in places like Siera Leone too, child militias? ) Or if you guys want to own them, fetishise them, brag about how big yours is and what caliber ammo it shoots or any other gun related boreing crud. I'm not even telling you to ban em, give em up. Feel free to kill each other in greater numbers than almost any other civilised nation. I don't live there it aint my problem thankfully.
I am very happy I live in a saner country that doesn't feel the need to have a gun in every home, I can recommend it. I certainly don't feel the need to have a gun to feel safe, and I think guns are best used for fighting wars, (when you absolutely have no other option), and in the hands of specialist police units. Not in the hands of kids.
Columbine High School?
Much better not to teach kids to shoot I think. But hey its your country you mess it up, make it as crazy as you see fit!
Thankfully I have many other pleasures in life and they don't revolve around shooting military weapon systems! ( well other than online aeroplanes:lol )
So in essence go ahead enjoy your shooting stuff but don't tell me its the right or sensible thing to do especialy when it comes to training young kids to do it cos I flat out don't agree,and I'm pretty sure theres quite few parents of gun victims young and old in your land of the free who'd agree with me!
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skydancer. To put the record straight we don't care what you think of things here in this country as far as firearms go. You are welcome to your opinion. It would, however, be much nicer if youd just keep it to yourself.
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Ok. No probs though now and again the voices of sanity might pop up to remind you guys that the USA way isn't always the best or only way!
I'm outa this one as requested! :D
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Originally posted by Skydancer
Actualy to put the record straight I'm not scared of them I don't realy have to be living here! I don't give a stuff if you guys want to teach little kids to fire assault weapons ( they do that in places like Siera Leone too, child militias? ) Or if you guys want to own them, fetishise them, brag about how big yours is and what caliber ammo it shoots or any other gun related boreing crud. I'm not even telling you to ban em, give em up. Feel free to kill each other in greater numbers than almost any other civilised nation. I don't live there it aint my problem thankfully.
I am very happy I live in a saner country that doesn't feel the need to have a gun in every home, I can recommend it. I certainly don't feel the need to have a gun to feel safe, and I think guns are best used for fighting wars, (when you absolutely have no other option), and in the hands of specialist police units. Not in the hands of kids.
Columbine High School?
Much better not to teach kids to shoot I think. But hey its your country you mess it up, make it as crazy as you see fit!
Thankfully I have many other pleasures in life and they don't revolve around shooting military weapon systems! ( well other than online aeroplanes:lol )
So in essence go ahead enjoy your shooting stuff but don't tell me its the right or sensible thing to do especialy when it comes to training young kids to do it cos I flat out don't agree,and I'm pretty sure theres quite few parents of gun victims young and old in your land of the free who'd agree with me!
So much ignorance it is sad.
Never mind, not worth the time, you won't learn so it's not worth trying to teach.
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Don't confused sanity with ignorance Sky.
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Originally posted by Skydancer
So in essence go ahead enjoy your shooting stuff but don't tell me its the right or sensible thing to do especialy when it comes to training young kids to do it cos I flat out don't agree,and I'm pretty sure theres quite few parents of gun victims young and old in your land of the free who'd agree with me!
Ok, so why, exactly is it not "right or sensible" to train young kids to handle firearms? And you can leave out the country bashing garbage, unless you feel the need to make yourself look like an ignorant ass.
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Originally posted by Skydancer
Ok. No probs though now and again the voices of sanity might pop up to remind you guys that the USA way isn't always the best or only way!
Bwahaahhahhhaaaaaaa! "the voices of sanity". Now that`s a keeper right there. :)
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great recruiting video for the Al Quaeda.
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cueball said...
"I am very happy I live in a saner country that doesn't feel the need to have a gun in every home, I can recommend it. I certainly don't feel the need to have a gun to feel safe, and I think guns are best used for fighting wars, (when you absolutely have no other option), and in the hands of specialist police units. Not in the hands of kids."
You may be happy and you may "feel" better (so far at least) but it has nothing to do with your countrymen feeling the "need" to have firearms or not... it wouldn't matter how they felt since they don't have the option... they are simply not free to decide what is best for them on a personal level... that right has been taken from them..
and... as for "specialist" government forces.... yeah... we seen what a great job those guys do with firearms in the underground on that brazilian worker.
The reason I feel you should stay out of gun threads tho is because you are such a hypocrite... You fought a "sensible" law that would make motorcycles over 100 hp illegal... I am sure that if it was passed that many in england would defend the new law by saying that they were glad that they lived in a sane country that didn't "feel the need" to own high powered motorcycles that caused so much neadless death and maiming.
You are a hypocrite of the higest magnitude... you don't "need" 150 hp but fight to have it just to get a thrill no mattee how many die... yet.... you find the people who enjoy fireams to be perverted and dangerous.
real cute.. glass houses and all that rot eh what old sport?
lazs
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Sorry gotta reply to that one Lazs.
Do you think its Ok to drive high powered cars!?
If so why not high powered bikes. Whats good for the gioose is good for the gander.
Crash a bike chances are its you who is going to cop it. ( yes there are exeptions but they are as the word implies mainly exceptions )
Crash a high powered car and the potential for deaths to innocent bystanders is far far greater. Its a bigger object hurtling out of control and usualy filled with more people. A good example being one of my colleagues who is now in hospital as a Landrover 4x4 ran into her car from behind and wiped it out.
If it had been a high powered bike running into her I'm damn sure the biker would've been in the hospital not her!
As for equating vehicles to guns. A vehicle has many uses. What is the purpose of a heavy machine gun?
It was made as an instrument of death. A Car or a motorcycle was made to transport people. A bit of a difference there old mucker.
You are a gun lover! Nothing said no reason nor rhyme is ever going to make you see the other point of view. That I have already deduced.
Lets take the video in question. I would not train kids to ride high powered motorcycles Thats not sensible. Kids and huigh powered motorcycles or even cars for that matter are a lethal combination. Likewise I'm prety sure kids and assault weapons are too. As some of my fellow countrymen have found out. And as the victims at Columbine and other places I forget the names of have too.
I'm afraid you and I will never ever agree about the guns thing.
It aint about freedom its about common sense.
Now how about startuing a thread where you can argue the motorcycle thing without us hijacking one of the ad infinitum gun threads with spurious arguments trying to link the two seperate things.
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Considering your positions I find "rights come with responsibilities" rather ironic. Do you understand that quote or did it just sound cool?
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cueball... what are you talking about? It is not I that is in favor of banning anything... I would love to own a bosshog 502 hp motorcycle... I don't care what kind of car or bike you ride...
you are the one who wants things banned.... so long as they are things you don't enjoy/have a use for... the danger is not important to you... only your selfish needs... that would be fine but you think that only your selfish needs are deserving of protection...
As for bikes not hurting people... thousands die on the back of sport bikes here... the other day a sport bike at high speed killed two people in a honda civic (along with himself) you can't justify the HP as anything more than your hedonistic pleasure...
That is where you are such a hypocrite... my bike has like 60hp.. It will go as fast as anyone "needs" and is plenty powerful to get out of any situation that is reasonable... But... you don't see me telling you that you shouldn't.... no... voting that you shouldn't have anything over say 60hp... I defend everyones rights no matter if it is what I want to do personaly or not..
you are the hypocrite because you defend your right to do dangerous and potentialy dangerous things but would vote to ban ones you don't personaly enjoy.
if you don't fight for your countrymens firearms rights then you don't deserve to have them fight for yours when your womanly socialist government put's more and more restrictions on your motorcycles....
and besides.... I think you are just jealous that even little kids here get to shoot and know more about it than you do or even could if you wanted to.... You have no choice and they do...
lazs
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Originally posted by Skydancer
It aint about freedom its about common sense.
I don`t really see where you would be any kind of authority or how you could even pretend to be knowledgeable about freedom. Freedom, in this case, is having freedom of choice. You do not have that choice or the freedom that goes with the choice.
It would be common sense to strive and fight for freedom of choice and once aquired to defend that right.
I`m afraid you drew a blank on both accounts.
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... i've just witnessed a brit shooting himself.
..without a gun.
marvelous trick.
How was it you lost the empire again?
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Originally posted by Hangtime
... i've just witnessed a brit shooting himself.
..without a gun.
marvelous trick.
How was it you lost the empire again?
The other side realized they were unarmed. Quite simple really.
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It was something called WW2 which we and our empire alone fought for quite a while before anyone else decided it might be a good idea to stop Mr Hitler. Thats what cost us our empire. Our Government bankrupted itself to protect ourselves and others .
Strangly I'm pretty proud of that part of our long long history and the part my grandparents played in it.
I wonder if your country is realy as free as you guys make out. I think not. The only freedom you have that we don't as I see it is to play with things that realy ought not to be used as toys.
Still I'm piddling into the wind here as the NRA lobby has a large presence on this board and probably never ever will see reason.
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Here in Alabama it's illegal to fire a machine gun.
Les
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Originally posted by Skydancer
Still I'm piddling into the wind here as the NRA lobby has a large presence on this board and probably never ever will see reason.
Whizzin against the wind seems to be what you do best.
If someone is a member of the NRA,they have seen reason and they are taking a part in making sure it stays that way. Giving up your rights doesn`t seem very "reasonable" to me. Freely allowing them to continualy be denied to you is is called rolling over.
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Originally posted by Skydancer
It was something called WW2 which we and our empire alone fought for quite a while before anyone else decided it might be a good idea to stop Mr Hitler. Thats what cost us our empire. Our Government bankrupted itself to protect ourselves and others .
Strangly I'm pretty proud of that part of our long long history and the part my grandparents played in it.
I wonder if your country is realy as free as you guys make out. I think not. The only freedom you have that we don't as I see it is to play with things that realy ought not to be used as toys.
Still I'm piddling into the wind here as the NRA lobby has a large presence on this board and probably never ever will see reason.
If you understood your sig you would understand why there are those of us who support freedom and responsibility over dominanca and mistrust.
BTW, you should be proud of your grandparents generation. They stood tall and endured great hardship for a just cause. Kinda a pity you all are giving away for free what they died by the thousands for.
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geeze cueball... you just get more and more pathetic... now you are blaming us for the downfall of your empire...
You have that in common with boroda... you can't accept that the reason your empire fell was because it was based on an unfair and immoral premise... borodas on communism and yours on enslaving other countries... both were doomed no matter what else happened... Did you think you would still have slave colonies today if it weren't for WWII? Pirate ships ruleing the sea?
As for guns and motorcycles... And whatever tickles your fancy... swimming, fast cars... whatever... they are all dangerous and they all have a benifiet to the person who enjoys em..
Only a woman would vote to restrict the rights of others for "their own good".
I can't believe some of the girls on this board... they spend more than a decade trying to get out of the house so mom can't tell em what to do and then the first thing they do is vote for a woman democrat... shoulda never left home...
lazs
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On women's behalf Lazs. My grandmother shot and killed a trespassing neighbor's goat using a 12 gauge double barrel. She was about 16 and this was around 1921.
Don't think she was trying to kill it, she aimed over a bit.:)
Les
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typical women, aim for the head, hit in the nuts...>
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so as not to sound like a total missogonist...
I have met a lot of women whose views are more in line with mine than a lot of the womenly socialists that post on this board... I am sure that they could make cueball cry even easier than I could.
Point is... they are vastly outnumbered by the shrill busybody socialist types like finestein and company.
lazs
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Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
If you understood your sig you would understand why there are those of us who support freedom and responsibility over dominanca and mistrust.
BTW, you should be proud of your grandparents generation. They stood tall and endured great hardship for a just cause. Kinda a pity you all are giving away for free what they died by the thousands for.
I think the massive shock of WWI casualties shook the empire from it's foundations.. by the time WWII rolled around the empire was already in tatters. WWII just finished the job.
The Brits greatest joy was in railing at their goverments via the press.. a goverment could be toppled by poor perfomance of a military expedition. Hence, the mama state mentality. And the same thing's been happening to us.. kids mow down other kids, new legislation pops up. Government is inspired by the public to 'protect' the public interest.. hence let's legislate posession of pointy sticks. "yah could put someone's eye out with that thing" becomes not common sense, but law.
We'd do well to mind the lessons of the British.. we're headed to where they are if we let the government keep limiting our freedoms.
The british government has pulled the teeth of the british public.. not a damn thing that the average Jeeves could do if the PM's government decided to outlaw bangers and biscuts.
Not here.. we still have teeth.
For awile yet, anyway.
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Skydancer, you have a distorted, knee jerk version of gun ownership in the US. That video must have pushed all of your hot buttons. In reality, the shooting was safe (except for that moving .50, IMO), and the people there no more likely to misuse weapons than you are to ride full throttle down a street crowded with pedestrians.
Nor, is there a common “live in fear” mentality except for those living in inner city areas and facing the consequences of the war on drugs. Or, those living in rural areas where they may have to rely on themselves for self defense since it can take up to a hour for the police to arrive. Or, an average person who knows the odds of a violent encounter are very slim, but wants extra piece of mind in case the absolute and unlikely actually happens.
Again, it might be hard for you to understand that having fun shooting guns at a range (even the poor innocent children enjoying quality time with their attentive parents) will not lead the average, socially developed person to go on a rampage. Rampages make a lot of news, but hard statistics don't bear that out as a general reality.
Deaths in the US in 2000 (out of a total population of 281,421,906):
* Tobacco: 435,000 deaths (.15 percent of the total population)
* Alcohol consumption: 85,000 deaths (.03 percent of the total population) Note: 16,653 deaths from alcohol-related vehicle crashes are included. Total daily death toll, 233. While Columbine got a lot of attention with 15 dead, how many “Columbines” happen to high school kids each weekend due to underage alcohol consumption and driving? Where’s the outrage? I know. A lot of non gun owners find it easy to take away somebody else’s gun hobby or needed protection, but by dammed if they will let you touch their bottle of Carbernet Sauvignon, Martini or pint of Guinness.
* Incidents involving firearms: 29,000 (.01%. of the total population)
Figures generally indicate that over 50% of all firearm deaths are suicides. Guns are very effective suicide weapons, but if you use a gun you are serious to begin with, and will likely find an equally effective alternative. Hopefully not killing other people in the process, like the young lady who tried to kill herself recently by car accident and ended up taking out two innocents (she lived) in the process.
Similarly, where urban crime is concerned, over half of the deaths are criminal on criminal - “failed drug war” combat casualties. I would imagine that a good percentage of the remaining is also drug war related. Living near a high crime major city myself, and regularly reading the local paper, it is very seldom that you find a casual gun homicide between legal “regular Joes” who got in an argument. And, as often as not, a knife, blunt object or beating seems to be the weapon of choice. Are the guns the problem, or the social conditions that lead to illegal gun use? Criminals will find a way to guns, and even if by chance there is a total prohibition, then the knife or blunt objects come into play. But, for many politicians, blaming the guns seems easier than trying to do something about the underlying reasons for the illegal gun use.
* Drugs (obviously hard drugs): 17,000 (.006% of the total population)
I personally know three friends who died alcohol-related deaths, but believe responsible drinkers should be able to socially drink and pay the consequences if they can’t handle the booze. However, you UK folk who like to tilt a pint or two might have some room for concern. The government is already willing to “do what’s best” and alcohol is apparently on the radar at some level:
August 22, 2003
Alcohol Deaths Triple in U.K.
According to the latest government statistics, alcohol-releated deaths among British citizens aged 15-44 have tripled in the past 20 years -- including deaths from health problems, accidents and murders.
In the early 1980s only two percent of deaths among that age group were attributed to alcohol. The latest official statistics put that rate at six percent in 2001 and one health official blames the government for not implementing its own alcohol policy, according to DeHavilland Information Services.
Evan Harris, Liberal Democrats' health spokesperson, said as many as 240,000 lives may be lost since the government first developed its alcohol strategy in 1998 and when it will be implemented in 2004.
"Alcohol is one of the most dangerous and damaging drugs in Britain today," Dr. Harris said. "Excessive boozing kills four times as many people as drug abuse. It is one of the main causes of anti-social, aggressive and violent behaviour. It causes huge problems for the health service - for accident and emergency departments as well as doctors treating the effects of long-term alcohol abuse, such as liver damage and heart disease."
'There must be more research into the problem, better information and a structured alcohol strategy,' he added.
And what about you motorcycle riders?
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents today issued a six-point action plan to cut casualties on Britain's roads after Government figures showed the highest number of road deaths for six years. Deaths rose from 3,431 in 2002 to 3,508 last year - up two per cent. The biggest problems were with deaths among motorcyclists - up 14 per cent - and car users - up one per cent.
RoSPA wants:
1. Measures to ensure motorcyclists get enough training and that they build up experience on smaller machines before progressing to the bigger bikes, often favoured by people in their 30s and 40s.
2. The drink drive limit to be lowered to 50mg - a move that could save 50 lives and 250 serious injuries a year - and random breath testing.
3. Motorists to be encouraged to take regular refresher training, which would improve driving standards.
4. Employers and the Health and Safety Executive to do more to manage the risks faced and created by employees on the road - between 800 and 1,000 road deaths a year are work-related.
5. A switch in the system of changing clocks in spring and autumn to give lighter evenings all year round and potentially save 450 lives and serious injuries each year.
6. Higher profile police presence to act as a deterrent to bad drivers because the number of traffic police has reduced in recent years.
Pretty reasonable, perhaps. But is that a stopping point or a starting point?
Charon
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Originally posted by Charon
Skydancer, you have a distorted, knee jerk version of gun ownership in the US. That video must have pushed all of your hot buttons. In reality, the shooting was safe (except for that moving .50, IMO), and the people there no more likely to misuse weapons than you are to ride full throttle down a street crowded with pedestrians.
Nor, is there a common “live in fear” mentality except for those living in inner city areas and facing the consequences of the war on drugs. Or, those living in rural areas where they may have to rely on themselves for self defense since it can take up to a hour for the police to arrive. Or, an average person who knows the odds of a violent encounter are very slim, but wants extra piece of mind in case the absolute and unlikely actually happens.
Again, it might be hard for you to understand that having fun shooting guns at a range (even the poor innocent children enjoying quality time with their attentive parents) will not lead the average, socially developed person to go on a rampage. Rampages make a lot of news, but hard statistics bear that out and give a true focus to the “problem.”
Deaths in the US in 2000 (out of a total population of 281,421,906):
* Tobacco: 435,000 deaths (.15 percent of the total population)
* Alcohol consumption: 85,000 deaths (.03 percent of the total population) Note: 16,653 deaths from alcohol-related vehicle crashes are included. Total daily death toll, 233. While Columbine got a lot of attention with 15 dead, how many “Columbines” happen to high school kids each weekend due to underage alcohol consumption and driving? Where’s the outrage? I know. A lot of non gun owners find it easy to take away somebody else’s gun hobby or needed protection, but by dammed if they will let you touch their bottle of Carbernet Sauvignon, Martini or pint of Guinness.
* Incidents involving firearms: 29,000 (.01%. of the total population)
Figures generally indicate that over 50% of all firearm deaths are suicides. Guns are very effective suicide weapons, but if you use a gun you are serious to begin with, and will likely find an equally effective alternative. Hopefully not killing other people in the process, like the young lady who tried to kill herself recently by car accident and ended up taking out two innocents (she lived) in the process.
Similarly, where urban crime is concerned, over half of the deaths are criminal on criminal - “failed drug war” combat casualties. I would imagine that a good percentage of the remaining is also drug war related. Living near a high crime major city myself, and regularly reading the local paper, it is very seldom that you find a casual gun homicide between legal “regular Joes” who got in an argument. And, as often as not, a knife, blunt object or beating seems to be the weapon of choice. Are the guns the problem, or the social conditions that lead to illegal gun use? Criminals will find a way to guns, and even if by chance there is a total prohibition, then the knife or blunt objects come into play. But, for many politicians, blaming the guns seems easier than trying to do something about the underlying reasons for the illegal gun use.
* Drugs (obviously hard drugs): 17,000 (.006% of the total population)
I personally know three friends who died alcohol-related deaths, but believe responsible drinkers should be able to socially drink and pay the consequences if they can’t handle the booze. However, you UK folk who like to tilt a pint or two might have some room for concern. The government is already willing to “do what’s best” and alcohol is apparently on the radar at some level:
And what about you motorcycle riders?
Pretty reasonable, perhaps. But is that a stopping point or a starting point?
Charon
You make way to much sense.. Cue ball will miss your point just like he missed Laz's.
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No fun is to be had with something initialy designed for an immoral purpose.
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Originally posted by moot
No fun is to be had with something initialy designed for an immoral purpose.
Thats just not true Moot. If you might recall your mom has been having all kinds of fun with the "dongzilla" I bought her last Christmas.
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Charon's point I do get It is argued reasonably.
Personaly though I maintain that I the UK has it right on guns. It is not like the US. Gun ownership has not been that widespread and in general the population here do not see it as an infringement of their rights. I do think we have a less lethaly violent society because of our absence of this gun fetishism and am happy with that. I also have an opinion that teaching little kids to fire assault weapons is strange and pretty disturbing yes at that age they are in a controlled env. But what happens later in life?
If I have a breakdown go crackers whatever, I'm unlikely to go blow people away as I havent been taught how to shoot an asssault weapon and can't get hold of one.
Who knows what would happen if I lived in a society where I'd been taught how to shoot and had access to weapons.
Oh hang on I do know because even on the news in our country, we see high school massacres, shooting sprees in shopping malls, resteraunts etc, and snipers on the streets shooting innocent people down, and all that news comes from the US!
Don't confuse this with hating your country or whatever. I think America is fine. I don't want to live there but its OK. No worse or better than a lot of other places. But I do think you could do without the gun obsession.
I also think we ought to do something about our alcohol culture. try going out in any big UK city on a saturday night to see what I mean.
Lazs I do not get. Partly because despite his protestations to the contrary I think he is a misoganist with a real big hang up about women! frankly his attempt at insult by calling anyone with a different view to his own " womanly" betrays this. So I'm afraid its getting difficult to take the arguments seriously.
On the subject of motorcycles being lethal and dangerous WMDs
Let me quote our own Dept of Transport. In its report on the causes of Motorcycle accidents.
The specific behaviours of other drivers given by the respondents included
motorists’ inattention, motorists changing lanes without looking properly, and
motorists being distracted while in their vehicles by passengers, mobile phones, etc.
‘No continuity of observation’ was the biggest cause of accidents in the database;
That reason alone being the cause of over a third of all motorcycle accidents.
Of these, the riders were only at fault in 10.9% of the accidents, whereas the other road
users accounted for 77.1%."
DoT report for UK.
So maybe its not the motorcycle thats the problem but the poor attitude to Bikers thats killing us.
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Originally posted by moot
No fun is to be had with something initialy designed for an immoral purpose.
Oh, kinda like airplanes with guns in 'em rendered as a 'simulation'?
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So maybe its not the motorcycle thats the problem but the poor attitude to Bikers thats killing us.
So, maybe it's not the firearms that're the problem but the poor attitude towards gun owners that's getting folks shot.
:rolleyes:
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Would you rather have these kids turn into teens and have no experience with weapons what so ever. Then they go out with friends one night and decided to raid pa's gun chest. Accidently shooting a friend later that night because of a lack of weapon safety. Same goes for the motorcycle, kid disnt know what hes doing, goes out and buys a bike, takes off and hits a telephone pole, well if he knew how to ride it, it may have helped.
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No **** Hang??
:lol
LANDSLIDE SKYDANCER !!
I also have an opinion that teaching little kids to fire assault weapons is strange and pretty disturbing yes at that age they are in a controlled env. But what happens later in life?
See, rabbidrabbit, I think somehow your dong ended up on someone else's doorstep..
Zulu, there's nothing inherently wrong with kids playing with guns in safe conditions, just as there isn't with them learning kendo or jujitsu.
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Think we may be descending into farce here.
Doesn't the NRA have a forum where you guys can start endless gun threads?
;)
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cueball... guns are important to us... I can see why you get all sour grapes about gun threads tho..
You don't know anything about em and couldn't even if you wanted to and..
When you do spout off the myths and your "feelings" about guns you become (rightly so) the butt of everyones jokes..
that is no reason for us on an American BB to not talk about guns.. "oh... the poor brit guys can't have em and don't understand em so we should be polite and not talk about em"
heck... get even... start threads about gardening or cricket paddles or something.
lazs
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yup. but you don't post over there. much more fun bearding you here.
now, you could just not post in gun threads here.. and that would end the farce pretty quick. ;)
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Originally posted by Skydancer
Doesn't the NRA have a forum where you guys can start endless gun threads?
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Just a crazy idea, but if gun threads get you all flustered.............why post in them?
I mean it`s not like you have anything to contribute. How could you? You gave up your freedom to own one. You have no experience , no interest, no understanding and no knowledge of the subject.
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More importantly he does not wish to understand. He feels quite comfortable in sprouting off fools propaganda then wonders why people think so little of him.
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Originally posted by Skydancer
Think we may be descending into farce here.
Doesn't the NRA have a forum where you guys can start endless gun threads?
;)
Isnt their some crotch rocket forum you can go to and compare gay looking leathers and day glow over powered bikes?:rolleyes:
we need some FDB smilies here.