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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: hblair on September 18, 2001, 01:14:00 AM
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You are a police officer, you are called to the scene of an altercation. Apparently some young punk has been spray painting Swastikas in a dept store changing room. There have been only two people use this changing room in the last 30 minutes. It wasn't there before then.
Here are the two people:
(http://www.cybrtyme.com/personal/hblair/black.jpg) (http://www.cybrtyme.com/personal/hblair/white1.jpg)
Both claim they didn't do it. Which would be your primary suspect?
If you say you would question them both *equally*, are you being objective? Isn't the white guy with the boots and shaved head more likely to be your suspect? Is it wrong to reference in your mind that people fitting his description are usually the type of people to do this? Are you a bigot?
There seems to be a total lack of common sense with some people here. The example above is laughable, but if people from different ethnic backgrounds were put up there, and the crime was a little different, whooa! Peoples rights would be trampled! An outrage!
In the case of the WTC kamikaze hijackings, every single suspect so far has been from middle eastern descent (am I right?). If you're an FBI agent off somewhere checking leads on Jewish fellas in Chicago, you're one heckuva lovey dovey fair investigator, only problem is you're a moron.
It's late, I'm hitting the sack.
[ 09-18-2001: Message edited by: hblair ]
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Subs for AH, BEFORE 1.08 please.
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Ah put the boat pix of your albino belly swinging back HB, makes much more fun, heh. :)
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I’d say the fat black chick wouldn’t, she would be to busy finding a black outfit that would conceal her pear like torso in a slimming way. She would have no understanding of WWII at all, therefore would be not motivated against Jews or the meaning of the swastika.
I’d question the guy.
Did I pass, or was I supposed to say the all the towelhead suspects are innocent?
Man this being "right" all the time on AH forums is a challenge. Did I win?
[ 09-18-2001: Message edited by: Creamo ]
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WTG Creamo. :)
Anybody else gonna answer?
[ 09-18-2001: Message edited by: hblair ]
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Guy in the right propably wouldn't know how to use spray-can so he must be innocent. Women did it because she hates skinheads and thought she could accuse that poor little sob for what she did.
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Don't be afraid to give a serious answer...
[ 09-18-2001: Message edited by: hblair ]
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Originally posted by hblair:
Don't be afraid to give a serious answer...
the one on the "right" did it! no one from the "left" could possibly commit a hate crime...
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Picture this:
There is a major explosion at a federal building in Oklahoma City. It becomes obvious to investigators straight away that the explosion was caused by a bomb. For months preceding the attack, a middle-eastern terrorist has been threatening attacks against the United States.
(http://more.abcnews.go.com/sections/us/oklahoma/images/mcveigh4.jpg) (http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20010916/amdf52556.jpg)
Some miles from the explosion, a law enforcement officer checks two cars at a perimeter checkpoint. The two drivers are pictured above. One is an ex-Army soldier, the other is a man of middle-eastern decent.
Which would you question? Ask any "moron" in law enforcement and they will tell you that EVERY lead is followed up. Even if they don't fit racial profile of the person that you are looking for.
[ 09-18-2001: Message edited by: Mickey1992 ]
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White males bomb things. With the anti-federal government militia movement of the mid-nineties, your white male would be a suspect, and the feds picked up on McVeigh a couple days after the crime, so apparently their profiling (if they used any) was spot on.
[ 09-18-2001: Message edited by: hblair ]
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Oh I get it... the entire United States is now a crime scene and all citizens of middle-eastern descent are suspects.
Do I win?
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I'd pull them both into the alley out back and shoot them with my tazer. Then, I'd take out their wallets and remove the cash in each of them. The one who contributed more to my donut fund would be innocent.
SOB
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Originally posted by Creamo:
Subs for AH, BEFORE 1.08 please.
Wise words Creamo!!
:)
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Originally posted by SOB:
I'd pull them both into the alley out back and shoot them with my tazer. Then, I'd take out their wallets and remove the cash in each of them. The one who contributed more to my donut fund would be innocent.
SOB
I am with SOB in this one!
fifty-fifty, man? ;)
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In the first example, go to crime scene with a can of paint and paint the wall.
"What swatikas?" "BTW, Mr store owner, buy some camera's before you call us next time. This is all your fault!!"
Saves hurt "feelings" all around :)
[ 09-18-2001: Message edited by: 1776 ]
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Whether it's officially acceptible or not, I think people are going to do racial profiling - in their heads, anyway. I think people are wired that way... its a survival thing.
Face it, if an albino hits you up-side the head with a 2x4 with any frequency, pretty soon you are going to be profiling albinos, even if you know that individual albinos may not be guilty.
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Clearly there needs to be a 5 day waiting period on 2X4's,course only those under 3' in length :)!! And shame on you for profiling albino's carrying 2X4's of any length!!! You will be labeled a bigot!!!
Besides if you get hit by an albino with a 2X4 it is your own fault.
[ 09-18-2001: Message edited by: 1776 ]
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Originally posted by hblair:
White males bomb things. With the anti-federal government militia movement of the mid-nineties, your white male would be a suspect, and the feds picked up on McVeigh a couple days after the crime, so apparently their profiling (if they used any) was spot on.
Anyone can bomb things. Anyone can commit a crime. That is my point. McVeigh was arrested the day of the bombing because he was driving a car with no plates and had prior warrants, not because of profiling.
If the investigators had simply gone with the "middle-eastern terrorist" profile, they would not have had the evidence needed to arrest McVeigh before he was released from jail days later.
On a side note: Of the two suspects that were first pictured, I would arrest the one flipping me off. :D
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Problem is they both would. Ok,ok I get it heheeeeeeeeeeeee :)
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Originally posted by Mickey1992:
Anyone can bomb things. Anyone can commit a crime. That is my point.
Anyone can commit a crime to be sure, but some groups of people are more likely to commit certain crimes than others. it is a fact. Middle Eastern men are more likely to hijack a plane. I can't recall any other a group ever hijacking a plane (that's how rare it must be). You're a fool if you don't use statistics to aid you in an investigation. It's not an "equal rights" topic, it's about getting the bad guys in custody.
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It's obvious that Creamo did it just so he could hijack your thread...
Hmmm...
Creamo... hijack... kind of the "anti social type"... lots of flight sim experience...
Hmmm...
Makes ya think...
eskimo
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Lets get past the black and white and move towards the grey:
I bought a car... it was red. Anyone know what the first thing everyone says to me when they see my new car? Can anyone tell my why this is accepted?
AKDejaVu
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Eskimo!!
You are right!!!
Please someone there in USA... call the FBI, Creamo is public enemy #2!!!
AKDJ, please, I cannot imagine what they say about your red car....
Only things I can guess is....
A) "it's a Ferrari?"
B) "You are a commie?"
Wich one?
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Must be a US thing Naso. Though... I'd be suprised that someone from Italy would have to ask "Is that a Ferrari" ;)
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by hblair:
Anyone can commit a crime to be sure, but some groups of people are more likely to commit certain crimes than others. it is a fact. Middle Eastern men are more likely to hijack a plane. I can't recall any other a group ever hijacking a plane (that's how rare it must be). You're a fool if you don't use statistics to aid you in an investigation. It's not an "equal rights" topic, it's about getting the bad guys in custody.
Your statistics may be correct, but what you described is racial profiling. It's discriminatory in the eyes of the courts.
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I think the black chick (on the left) bought the spray paint for her boyfriend (on the right) and he did the actual squirting. :D
If I'm right do "I" win?
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Hey, I just thought of something. I have been a victim of racial profiling. Listen to this story and tell me what you think...
About 8 years ago, my wife and I took a trip up to Ft. Payne, Alabama, just driving around the countryside looking at the fall foliage as I recall. We happened upon a state trooper roadblock. I pulled up, gave the trooper my license, he then told me to pull over to the shoulder in a very rude way. There were about 4 other cars on the side of the road, all containing white guys. There were black people being motioned through without even checking their license, which I thought was strange(I didn't know what the problem was, thought maybe I had been stopped for speeding). One of the troopers comes to the car, asks my wife and I what we were doing, where we had been, etc. etc. He told me to get out of the truck and empty my pockets. After about 45 minutes, the officer told us we could go, they had found the suspect on the other side of town, there had been an altercation at a klan rally (klan rallys down south now consist of about 5-10 goofs in bedsheets surrounded by a 100 blacks) up the road, and a couple of black guys had been roughed up.
As sson as he explained what was going on, I was ok with it. I actually told him I understood, no big deal, and that I was glad they caught the jerk.
I had forgot all about this, but thinking about it, I guess it would be a case of racial profiling wouldn't it? I didn't feel like my rights were trampled, just happy the bad guy was caught.
Am I a victim?
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No hblair, you weren't. The difference is that you were being investigated for a crime that had already been commited. It seems that people want to 'investigate' americans of middle-eastern decent, before there is an actual crime.
If someone else can explain what I'm trying to say here, go ahead, I'm not always the best with words.
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Originally posted by Thrawn:
No hblair, you weren't. The difference is that you were being investigated for a crime that had already been commited.
I thought this is what we're talking about. The investigation of crimes already committed. The investigation of Sept 11ths crimes come to mind, ya know?
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Thrawn, no one ever said the crimes committed on Tuesday Sept 11th are over either.
Now it's a matter of stopping more before they begin, and to do this we have to find the guilty amongst the innocent.
It isn't a matter of racism or bigotry, it's a matter of already knowing where the guilty come from- now we just have to search them out and find them.
You certainly won't find a middle eastern terrorist amongst a group of white suburbanites that wouldn't know how to load a bullet in a 6-shooter if their life depended on it. Same goes for an african american, either from the ghetto or from suburbia or where ever...
When you are lost driving down a road, but you know the general area you need to be in- do you drive down every street trying to find a road you are familiar with? What if it had a bright yellow reflective "dead end" sign at the entry point?
-SW
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hblair,
What people are asking for is extra restrictions of US citizens of Arabian decent or Muslim faith. On people who haven't committed a crime.
It seems to me that the people investigating the events of 9-11-2001 are doing a good job, but I highly doubt that their investigation will lead to the American of Arabic decent that I bought a soda from yesterday. Racial profiling would mean that he would be more likely to be arrested or prevented from flying even though he hasn't theoretically planned or commited any crimes.
What happened to you would have been racial profiling if after catching the guy they kept on stopping white people because "They must be up to something."
What they did was not racial profiling because they had a description of the suspect as being a white male. Thus they were stopping white males but not black males, black females or white females.
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Thanks Karnak, that's what I ment.
[ 09-18-2001: Message edited by: Thrawn ]
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Karnak, we're pretty naive if we don't think that there are still terrorists (who happen to be Muslim) that are "up to something".
Survival tends to take precedent over sensibility.
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"Am I a victim?"
Sure you were if you wanted to be. Should have contacted the ACLU!!!
You chose not to be. You applied common scense :) Some don't, they are always looking to be victims.
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
Must be a US thing Naso. Though... I'd be suprised that someone from Italy would have to ask "Is that a Ferrari" ;)
AKDejaVu
In fact, I was guessing what a US will think of a red car ;)
BTW, you did'nt say what they were asking...
c'mon tell me, i'm courious, please.
Please. :)
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The first words out of everyone's mouth when you show them a new red car (in the US ;) ):
"Man... the cop's are going to love giving you tickets." The basic assumption is that a red car is going to be a sports car color and be a faster car (thanks to Ferrari)... thus we'll focus on red cars to give tickets to.
I don't know if numbers actually support that or not... I tend to think they do... But I do know many people that won't own a red car because of this concern.
Ferraris are red. Ferraris are fast. Red cars must be faster than all other cars. Give red cars tickets.
AKDejaVu
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I was stationed at Ft. Bragg N.C. in 1969. I had 5 or 6 running buddies down there. One of them was a short, black guy from Harlem. He had a strange sense of humor that I just loved. We were in Fayetteville one time (A place that still had an old slave auction like it was a monument, or something) Anyway, I said. hey man! where do the black guys hang out around here. He said. Do you see that oak tree over there?
Back to my point. He once got busted down to buck sergeant for something he richly deserved :). It pissed him off so he told me he was going to get everybodys weekend pass pulled. I ask how he could do that without getting his own pulled. He just smiled, and wouldn't say.
That Friday all hell broke loose. They had us standing in formation dam near all day. It seems that someone had burned a cross on the lawn in front of the barracks. And they were going to keep us there until someone fessed up. We were all white soldiers needless to say.
My pal made a point of walking passed the formation on his way to the parking lot (heading for N.Y. for the weekend). The little bastard even smiled and waved at me.
He was my friend, so of course I couldn't say anything. But when he got back, there was a suprise waiting for him in his bunk. He was deathly afraid of snakes :D.
To answer your question H B. I would say question them both :)
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LOL,
Great story easymo!
eskimo
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Originally posted by Karnak:
hblair,
What people are asking for is extra restrictions of US citizens of Arabian decent or Muslim faith. On people who haven't committed a crime.
It seems to me that the people investigating the events of 9-11-2001 are doing a good job, but I highly doubt that their investigation will lead to the American of Arabic decent that I bought a soda from yesterday. Racial profiling would mean that he would be more likely to be arrested or prevented from flying even though he hasn't theoretically planned or commited any crimes.
What happened to you would have been racial profiling if after catching the guy they kept on stopping white people because "They must be up to something."
What they did was not racial profiling because they had a description of the suspect as being a white male. Thus they were stopping white males but not black males, black females or white females.
I'm referring to the way the way the investigation of a crime already committed is carried out. Just saw another suspects photo on CNN 5 minutes ago. He was middle eastern. Aint that the darndest thing. I just can't believe they are all middle eastern. Perhaps the FBI needs to look at white people, after all, they bombed the Alfred P. Murrah building.
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
The first words out of everyone's mouth when you show them a new red car (in the US ;) ):
"Man... the cop's are going to love giving you tickets...
I don't know if numbers actually support that or not.
It is a common knowlege that people who tend to drive agressively/recklessly disproportionately prefer red to any other color. That is why insurance company would usually charge you higher premiums on the red car.
The cops know the statistics too.
Also, red cars get stolen more, so more cops' attention again.
miko
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What if there was a race of people who had never hijacked a plane, blew up a building or created any of the threats that we are looking for. Should we just let those folks walk past instection points? Would you be OK with them getting on your flight?
It's kind of the same thing.
Everyone is a potential threat.
eskimo
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Originally posted by hblair:
I'm referring to the way the way the investigation of a crime already committed is carried out.
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It is a common knowlege that people who tend to drive agressively/recklessly disproportionately prefer red to any other color.
LOL!
I rest my case.
...of course... it could have been the only "Nearly New" car at the dealer and was selling for $3k less than the new cars even though it only had 400 miles on it ;)
But, I guess in this case, its ok to stereotype based on past history without regard to the present situation. See the double standard?
AKDejaVu