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HOUSTON (AP) - The mother who allegedly drowned her five children one by one in a bathtub told police the oldest one tried to escape but she chased him through the house, the Houston Chronicle reported Friday.
In the videotaped interview with police, Andrea Yates described how she methodically killed the children Wednesday, the newspaper said. It quoted an unidentified police investigator as saying she spoke in a "zombie-like fashion."
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rest of the story (http://news.excite.com/news/ap/010622/10/news-children-slain)
WTF is wrong with people? even public hanging probably wouldnt have done anything to prevent this psycho from doing what she did. what would have???
-AKHog
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Wow.. really a sad story.
Now.. the big question. Would you support a death sentance for this woman?
My inclination after reading this article is no.
I do, however, feel the father should be held somewhat responsible for negligence for leaving 5 children alone with a suicidal mother.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
Now.. the big question. Would you support a death sentance for this woman?
Hmm, I dont know. From what she *says* I think she just has some serious mental probs, the death sentence wouldnt have influenced her before she did this. so there is no point to use it. but what she really was thinking when she did this is up for a jury? to decide.
if i were to decide she would have to prove pretty damn well she lost her mind to get off w/o death.
but if no death then what could be a sentence for someone who kills 5 children in cold blood like she did???
-AKHog
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Death - no
Life without parole -YES!
I can't see how a "depressed" person can kill FIVE kids without realizing what they were doing. She's whacked and belongs in a insane asylum - for LIFE. No medication in my opinion would set her right to be released. Her husband is wacked. How in the hell can you be in front of tv cameras less than 24 hrs after your wife has killed your 5 kids? Yes, he is responsible to a point, if she was that sick and he left the children with her.
If the choice is death or prison with any possibility of parole, then I change my above answer to death.
some sick freakin ppl out there :(
Eagler
[ 06-22-2001: Message edited by: Eagler ]
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I wish I had not read that now. I'd been pretty much horrified and saddened about this. Knowing more details of what she actually did... well, I just teared up here over what those kids had done to them.
Damn her
(http://www.cnn.com/images/0106/top.yates.children2.jpg)
[ 06-22-2001: Message edited by: Westy MOL ]
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Why does there so often seem to be a need to find the man that is at fault for something a woman does?
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If she was "suicidal," then how come she's alive and the children are dead? Doesn't sound suicidal to me at all. She was depressed, something the article said happens to almost half of women after they give birth. How can you hold the father responsible for leaving his children with his wife when she's never given any notion of HARMING the children before??? He's only responsible if he KNEW that the children were in danger from their own mother, or it was pre-meditated between the two of them (which if it was, they're doing a fantastic acting job.)
Anyways, put her in a mental institution if she's clinically deemed to be "insane." If she was completely in control of her own faculties... Get rid of her. I wouldn't want my taxes paying for some mother who maliciously kills her own children.
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If she was "suicidal," then how come she's alive and the children are dead? Doesn't sound suicidal to me at all. She was depressed, something the article said happens to almost half of women after they give birth.
On the previous child the woman attempted suicide as a result of the postportem depression. They say that this time the depression was worse.
Hmmmmmmm. Not many flags there.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
On the previous child the woman attempted suicide as a result of the postportem depression. They say that this time the depression was worse.
Hmmmmmmm. Not many flags there.
AKDejaVu
ahh... case is a bit different then. and your sarcasm was duly noted, and, of course, expected. :p
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Originally posted by SwampRat:
....Death is too easy. She needs to suffer...allot.
yea but with our current form of "justice" that will never happen.
About jails:
A moutain bike buddy i ride with a lot is going to jail for 2 weeks on the 25th of this month. His son (15 yrs old) missed about 2 weeks of school over the last year. Even though my friend gets up before his son goes to school and works 2 shifts every weekday and has very little control over what his son does while he's not home he *still* got a ticket from the town police for about $600. BTW i'm not at all defending him, he should have made sure his son was in school, but... he could either pay $600 or go to county lock up for 2 weeks. He has been there before and knows what its like. His choice... go spend time in jail. I asked him about this and he says its very nice. He gets about 50 tv channels, free place to live with clean clothes/room/bathroom, gets to work out about 2-3 hours a day, gets 3 very good meals with a snack at night, and even gets to work and make money. Sence his son is going away to stay with the mom for the summer there is no reason my friend would opt to not go. In 2 weeks he'll come out well rested, much more fit and healthy, and will have made money rather then spending $600. roadkill if you ask me.
-AKHog
[ 06-22-2001: Message edited by: AKHog ]
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and your sarcasm was duly noted, and, of course, expected.
LOL! Read the first line of your first post one more time. After that we can play "you said it first" all you want. :p
AKDejaVu
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More discussion on simple toejam.
Burn the witch.
What the hell is wrong with society?
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That's one crazy squeak.
-SW
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I think her fate will be decided once she reaches prison. I believe that the female inmates will give her the same type of treatment that male inmates who are sent to prison for rape and child molestation and stuff get. They arent too kind to people who hurt children.
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Originally posted by SwampRat:
...Jail because a kid missed 2 weeks of school? What country is this?
State of PA in good old U.S.A. he had the opion of $600 or 2 weeks in jail. 99% of people in his postion take the $600 hit so it's just like a ticket. But in PA all those type of crimes have an option of jail time. funny stuff eh?
-AKHog
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Well I wouldnt say that she is gonna have a great time in prison....I know from experiance...not personal though....there are two things that even murderers and thieves wont tolerate...and thats child molesters or people who kill kids...She'll be in solitude or she wont make a month. Lets hope they put her in general pop.
After edit: Just as a side note...does anyone here know the names of the kids? I believe it was Mary, John, Luke, Noah, and I think Paul...Wonder when she is gonna claim god told her to do it????
[ 06-22-2001: Message edited by: devildawg ]
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She won't spend long in jail..she only killed children. Now if she had killed 5 cats? Well..she'd be in jail alot longer.
(j/k...read this to see what I mean) The Outrage (http://www.theoutrage.com)
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Hey man, the stuff about going to jail because yer kid doesn't go to school is just sick.
Does the concept of "personal resposibility" go out the door once you get kids?
Does "personal responsibility" not apply to children (and I know that in the US children do not enjoy the same rights or priviledges as parents, as school related stuff has shown)?
It's just plain wrong to send a man or a woman to jail for something his kid or kids to, provided we're not talking about inciting them to do something criminal. And then it'd be the incitement that persons hould go to hail for, not for what someone else did.
Family or not, we're all individual humans, and should be held responsible for such. This accountability for others open up a can of worms I don't even wanna touch.
Kids being able to send their parents to jail. Teenage rebellion takes on a whole new meaning.
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Zeee clockwerkorange!
Er back to the subject at hand, if she's tried in Harris County then there's no way she'll get off easy.
In a related subject I just paid a 140$ ticket. For what you ask? Making a wake (wave) on a personal water craft. The justice system in Houston is fubar.
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Originally posted by Jigster:
In a related subject I just paid a 140$ ticket. For what you ask? Making a wake (wave) on a personal water craft. The justice system in Houston is fubar.
FUBAR? There's nothing worse than some love muffin on a jet ski or wave runner making life difficult for everyone else on the water. They should be handing out more tickets to people who can't follow the rules on the water. There are good reasons for No Wake zones.
Of course, I don't know your situation, 'cause you didn't give any details, but it made for a nice segway into my little rant. :)
SOB
...So what the heck was the subject of this thread?
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LOL SOB! I'm trying to figure out if it is possible for you to be anywhere near the water and not make a wake :D
AKDejaVu
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Blind bend with channel markers. Friggin police dock on the other side. I got it stopped 50 ft past the sign (no way to slow down very quickly), guy came over with his PD Boat, lil lights on and everything, and proceded to write me a ticket.
As soon as he was done with me, he proceded in giving a boater a ticket as well.
They are as bad as small town cops.
deliberate stuff, like going in circles and shooting around is one thing, everyone hates that, but to just round a corner while crusing around!?
That fee is ridiculous for the offense anyway.
[ 06-24-2001: Message edited by: Jigster ]
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And now they say the crazy b*tch might be pregnant .. hope the rumors are wrong..
let's see you go into deep depression when you have kids so what do you do?? Procreate like rabbits, and keep spitting out the kids... what do some people think?
Eagler
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Ya if the crazy squeak get locked up in an regular jail her life will indeed be shorter then expected....
As for this :
About jails:
A moutain bike buddy i ride with a lot is going to jail for 2 weeks on the 25th of this month. His son (15 yrs old) missed about 2 weeks of school over the last year. Even though my friend gets up before his son goes to school and works 2 shifts every weekday and has very little control over what his son does while he's not home he *still* got a ticket from the town police for about $600. BTW i'm not at all defending him, he should have made sure his son was in school, but... he could either pay $600 or go to county lock up for 2 weeks. He has been there before and knows what its like. His choice... go spend time in jail. I asked him about this and he says its very nice. He gets about 50 tv channels, free place to live with clean clothes/room/bathroom, gets to work out about 2-3 hours a day, gets 3 very good meals with a snack at night, and even gets to work and make money. Sence his son is going away to stay with the mom for the summer there is no reason my friend would opt to not go. In 2 weeks he'll come out well rested, much more fit and healthy, and will have made money rather then spending $600. roadkill if you ask me.
-AKHog
Your friend must be homosexual.
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Originally posted by Maniac:
Your friend must be homosexual.
Ummm, no. I'm pretty sure he is not homosexual, he has a wife and 2 kids. Not to say that makes one strait but I think I could tell the difference by knowing him. And in this jail they share there room with one other person, and share *private* single person showers with 3 other people. It's more like a college dorm then anyting else.
BTW he has been in there for 2 days now and has another week and 5 days to go. It's like club med for a couple of weeks.
-AKHog
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She killed her OWN childrean in a cold methodical manner. Fry her, shoot her, hang her... just end her miserable existence. The thought she might walk away alive from this makes me want to puke!
xBAT
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Originally posted by batdog:
She killed her OWN childrean in a cold methodical manner. Fry her, shoot her, hang her... just end her miserable existence. The thought she might walk away alive from this makes me want to puke!
xBAT
xBAT
In my book, that's a given. By the time the defense get done with this case, I'd be surprised if her doctor or insurance company isn't on trial for the murders, this women isn't given a big bottle of happy pills, let loose after a few years in the neighborhood nut house and she turns around and sues the medical community for letting her get into such a state of mind that allowed her to kill her kids. Can't you see it, she's just another VICTIM! It ain't her fault, of course not......
I say crazy or not, anyone with presence of mind to drown 5 kids, chasing then dragging the 7 year old into the bathroom before killing him, needs to go bye bye (http://www.agitator.com/dp/methods/lethal.html). Better luck in her next life as she screwed the pooch in this one..
Eagler
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Originally posted by SwampRat:
....Death is too easy. She needs to suffer...allot.
Swamprat
Sick Swamprat. Sick, sick, sick. Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth? Worse?
Why does blood always have to cry out for blood? Riddle me that.
I'm not even going to try to form my own opinion of what should be done with her, beyond not killing her, and not hurting her. I just do not know anything about this, and I don't think any of us know enough to pass a judgement.
[ 06-27-2001: Message edited by: ispar ]
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What is the use in keeping her alive? I mean, she has shown she is capable of doing terrible things, which means she can do it again.
Or the U.S. government can raise some island of the coast of new york and put all convicts on there and let them be.
Then the t.v. stations can make some "big brother" program with it.
See the convicts kill each other. We as viewers can place bets on who stays alive long enough without getting killed.
Hehehe.
This is going the wrong way guys.
Seriously, this woman needs to be imprisoned for life or she could be given the "chair".
Either way, community does not need her!!
I would give her the chair, keeping her in jail costs money, a lot!! And since we all think money makes the world go round, kill her!
Greetings,
JG5FaBi.
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I would even kill people for throwing garbage on the street.
You know we have riots here, very now and then, over soccer!!?!?!
Ajax fans kicking the crap out of Feyenoord fans. And vice versa.
I would say : put them in one big field, let them clash and after things cool down, rake them with machineguns!
This way we can keep their population low so they don't infect the healthy people.
I have a sick mind, i know :)
But this is only for soccer riots. Riots over racism have another meaning.
See ya,
JG5Fabi.
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My mom is the kindest sweetest person you ever met. She is deeply religous, gentle and does not curse. She is also bi-polar (manic depressive). Her father and two brothers are as well.
Over the years I have seen her battle with her illness and go through many hospitalizations. I have seen her in conditions where she didn't know who I was. At age 78 I have saw her attack a 250lb psyche orderly for no reason. 3 of my sisters also suffer from this disease and I have seen them make decisions and endure suffering as a result thereof that no rational person would accept.
It took me a while but I finally reached two conclusions:
They are not to blame for their illness
They would not make the choices they make but for their illness.
I have a good friend who was medical director for a major psyche facility. One day over lunch I fessed up about my family history and sought his help when my mom was in the grips of a really bad bout of depression. He looked around the restaurant and asked me how many people I thought were there. I estimated 30. He said, statistically 8 of these people suffer from some form of mental illness. He then added if we had 100 people in here, statistically there would be 1 true psychotic. Needless to say. I was shocked. His insight was that as a society we haven't come very far with the diagnosis and treatment of mental illness. Most health plans limit benefits and there is not a compartively large body of research being done over this pervasive illness. Further, these people are still socially demonized for their illness. We don't blame people for having cancer or epilepsy but we still attach some stigma of blame to mental illnesses.
The brain is an incredibly complex organ and medical reserach has a long way to go to help these people. Thankfully, my mom doesn't often remember what happend or what she has done.
All this to say it is a truly sad situation. Given my experience I don't know easy it is to come to a conclusion beyond that.
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Ive come to the conclusion that self awareness is a terrible burden.
Most of us deal with it (self awareness) reasonably well but there are a very few that, for a multitude of reasons, cannot grapple with reality and slip away into a vast abyss becoming totally disconnected with reality. A woman who intentionally drowns her five children has definately fallen into the abyss.
Should she be executed? If it were up to me, no. But I feel that a quiet and serene exit for this poor soul might be merciful to her.
Does the father have responsibility in this tragedy? yes. should he somehow be held responsible? No. In my estimation he had absolute love for his children and a deep caring love for his wife. His world is forever deeply scarred, that is his fate in this matter.
We all do as much as possible to make our lives enjoyable, pleasurable and fulfilling because the nature of life is such that anything less is lost opportunity in the deepest sense imaginable.
None of us knows what lies in fate for us.
Have mercy for those who are stricken in life by tragedy. FOr those who intentionally cast
tragedy on others, have mercy as well but be prepared to defend our natural right one and all to pursue each our own happiness.
It is the highest accomplishment to finish life with a smile on our face with loved ones nearby.
rambling....
Y
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Originally posted by Yeager:
It is the highest accomplishment to finish life with a smile on our face with loved ones nearby.Y
This, gentlemen, is what could serve as the example of a concise, well-stated example of a true "no-sh*tter".
If I accomplish that, I'll certainly go with a grin.