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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: StSanta on March 23, 2001, 12:02:00 AM
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US relations to these two countries is something I've wondered about for a bit.
While close to the US, Cuba doesn't represent a real threat to it. It has a bad human rights history, but even so better than China.
China, on the other hand, is a fully fledged communist nation, with very tight control over the population, again more than Cuba. Human right violations is the norm.
Cuba is a big bad guy, whereas China has been described by the last administration and the current one as a partner, with Bush saying
There will be areas where we can find agreement, such as trade. There will be some areas where we have some disagreements,"
Bush told reporters with Qian sitting at his side.
Qian ceded no ground, saying he wanted to maintain "friendly relations and cooperation" between the China and the United States.
Am sort of wondering about how two countries can be treated so differently. I sincerely hope it's not because of Cuba's geographical location.
Of course, I know it's all about money. Trade. But is there more to it?
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"You filthy piece of distended rectum! DIE allierte schweinhund!"
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Yes there is. about 2 billion more reasons.
Castro will die in the next decade, then the cubans will finally taste "democraCIA" they have waited for since that nasty bearded man took control and denied capitalists of their fine cigars. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
The US cant play the bully with china, thus they cant use human rights excuses to apply political and economical pressure. If they did that to China, the US would be on the losing end, both politically and economically.
Keep your friends close, your enemies closer and leave potential enemy/friends to one side for future exploitation.
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China is a giant pile of toejam, bush wants to trade with them...for obvious reasons..but what is the price of selling your soul to the devil?
To trade with a country who will fire its workers for wanting to leave work when their wife goes into labor, Or ask for a day off to go to their mother's funeral, is beyond me.
I HATE china, i see no reason not to, its a sick twisted "nation" and I never wish to visit and could care less if it dropped of the face of the earth.
We shouldent trade with that piece of toejam till it quits treating its people like dogs, trading with them as is is disgraceful, and just goes to show that economics are more important to some people than millions of people being treated like toejam.
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TheWobble: When you were saying those things about labour and funerals, were you talking about China or USA?
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Wobble,
Sometimes your mouth just isn't big enough for your foot. Don't blame the entire country for about 1% bad apples.
However, with the current Chinese leaders viewing the US as a threat and enlarging their military because of that, I'd be willing to bet that within 10 years there will be a conflict over Taiwan.
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Wobble - nothing would please me more than for you to remain inside the US until the day you expire. You come across the kind of guy who would stand on top of Mount Everest and whine loudly about the lack of a McDonalds 'restaurant'.
It's a beautiful world - I intend to see as much of it as I can in the next 70 years. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
PS. I wouldn't expect you to want to go to China. Aren't they just a bunch of gooks?
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wobble, wobble, wobble............
when i left the beautiful south back in 1984 one of the things that surprised me was how people stereotyped southerners.
it surprised me because my youth was filled with intelligent and thoughtful people that were nothing like the stereotypes. simple in spirit yes, but definitley not bumbling, spewing morons.
everyone in other parts of the u.s. automatically assumes you are an illiterate, tunnel-visioned reactionary when you are from that part of the world. it is a tough burden to bear when you go for a job interview or your birthplace comes up in conversation -
your ritalin stained rants used to just irritate me wobble but this time you just crossed the line. it's too bad people like you are gonna make it hard for everyone by reiterating those stereotypes to the world.
EDIT: just realized that is probably over your head - let me put it in your terms: you are a giant pile of toejam.
[This message has been edited by mrfish (edited 03-23-2001).]
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Al Gore invented the Internet... The Internet made a demand for computers...most computer components are made in China....it's all Al Gore's fault.
I think this is a new game we should start....six degrees of Al Gore. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Raubvogel
LuftJägerKorps (http://www.luftjagerrkorps.com)
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Moose11
How did you figure that one out about Taiwan? Was it the military excercises off the coasts? The constant threats of invasion? Taiwan's plea for more military aid from the US, plea for the fleet to be moved there for protection? Saying 10 years is like me saying Cuba is located off the coast of florida somewhere. War happens when we least expect it. Wobble has his own opinion, let him have it. Will I bash him for that? Sometimes war is imminent. And to be honest this might not sound right, but we need wars. Technological barriers have been leaped whenever a war happens. As sad as it might seem it is true war brings out the design characteristics and drive in individuals. Survival of the fittest in a way. Sometimes death makes it so others may live. Is this right? Not in this time frame so it seems, if you don't believe me look from 39-45 and what technological advances were done. Don't tell me war didn't have an influence. Automotive, industrial, agricultural, aviation, space exploration. Just to name a few saw advances that were unheard of just a few years earlier. Like it or not wars are good.
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
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Just when I thought nobody could up the tard ante any further...
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....scratches Mount Everest off his "To Do" list.
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When did they put this thing in here and WTF is it for?
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Funked if this is in reply to my response, then apparently you do not know very much about History and development of societies. I had this same discussion with a professor, after a short heated debate he finally came around and looked at it from a differnt perspective. What have waged wars in the past been for? Money, politics, land, feudal, technology. Look at the windfall of technology the US/USSR/GB recieved when germany surrendered. Don't believe me look at aviation designs and concepts some being put forth and being used today. Yet were thought of and created 50+ years ago. Tell me where I am wrong? The media does wonderful things to people on what they should believe and what is right and what is wrong, in their eyes not ours. tell me this why is it on the news you always hear the bad things? Such and such died in a fiery four car crash on the highway, people eat this up. Why is it we slow down and stare at someone that has just been in a car crash? Or if someone is pulled over "this one puzzles me". Face it thru the ages we evolved from a feudal state of humans into what we are now. Yet the past is still with us, the drive and hunger to conquer and rule. Ever play contact sports? Football for instance goal is to knock the quarterback out of the game! How do I know? That was my job as defensive end a few years back. look at things a little more subjectively then putting a simple statement such as yours.
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
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Sturm,
By taking potshots at Funked, you're going to wear out your welcome in this community real fast.
Technological leaps *do* happen during wartime, but would you have the same viewpoint if say your brother/father/other family member was killed while fighting a 'war that is needed?'
I'm not a peace-weenie either. Tes, war and conflict happen for many reasons, none of which can be foretold to any great degree.
'Wars are good?' Defintely showing your lack of understanding/maturity/respect. Would you bet your life on that statement? (because I bet that when / if there is another serious war, and you're on the front lines seeing people die horribly, you'll look back and adjust *your* perspective) How many veterans will you find that think a war is a good thing?
*sigh*
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Well i guess if your opinion doesent fall in line with the current Eurotrash standard its not to be heard..oh well, hear this, diddly YOU.
I didnt start this whoopee thread, i just added my view, dont agree? give your view, ya dont have to make personal attacks and be a general diddlywad to do so.
you are a giant pile of toejam
Well let me be on par with the reply to that jewel, GO diddly YOURSELF IN THE amazinhunk WITH A BIG RUBBER DICK.
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Yet Wobble, you cant deny chinese girls are quite beautiful (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Your view of china is typical of those who are ignorant that there are other cultures besides your own.
"We shouldent trade with that piece of toejam till it quits treating its people like dogs, trading with them as is is disgraceful, and just goes to show that economics are more important to some people than millions of people being treated like toejam."
Yet again you see only what the media tells you. Which in short, is nothing but the bad things. When has CNN reported anything but bad news? Good things or good aspects on other cultures are not news, they dont give ratings. Watch the Travel channel or the History channel for that (but then again, you may prefer to go out and shoot some cans instead of expanding your knowledge).
When CNN spews about human right abuses or labor exploitation, etc etc in china, they sure forget that it also happens in the US.Millions of illegal immigrants being exploited, racial discrimination, companies hiring immigrants and paying them crap because they know they can abuse them and fire them afterwards...the list goes on. But heck, those kinds of news dont attract ratings, its better to point the blame finger to another country and feel good that such things dont happen "here".
War over Taiwan? That is so ridiculous its laughable. Taiwan is not in the U.N., it has no protection at all.Heck, its not even recognized as a nation by the international community! If China moves in, the US will back out. Oh, there will be "economic sanctions" imposed on China...which will last for a few years to save face, then they will slowly lift them without telling the public... after all, the US is on the losing end of any economic embargo they impose on China. Anyone believing the US or the UN will enter into conflict with a nation that has more men at arms than their entire populations and has nuclear weapons is sadly deluded.
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Cripes.. looks like its recess-time kiddies.
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Yes I would bet my life on it, taking a pot shot no, was funked you tell me.
Just when I thought nobody could up the tard ante any further... funked
Was he towards me? That is to be determined when he responds. If not then cross his name off and it is for everyone. I did my time in the service, and would fight for my country/family no matter what. I almost lost a brother back in the 1985 at Fort Campbell Ky in a training exercise for the 101st. So I know what it is like to feel the pain, he did survive and the doctors had told us he wouldn't live. I came from a military family, father being a pilot in the USAF, brother in the army, and the other in the navy. Moose stating I would wear out my welcome for pointing out my personal views is rather ridiculous. Did I take a pot shot at funked lol, if I did then hurt feelings must be easy in here. One line and then I went on and explained it in better details.
'Wars are good?' Defintely showing your lack of understanding/maturity/respect.
Sorry been studying military history for 19 years now, and I have a lot more respect for the veterans then most people do. Maturity? Funny do you watch war movies? Do you not fly a flight sim, which models aircraft where death was taking place everyday in them?
Would you bet your life on that statement?
Yes I would and was one of the first to volunteer to go.
(because I bet that when / if there is another serious war, and you're on the front lines seeing people die horribly, you'll look back and adjust *your* perspective)
Just curious do you know me? No, this is an assumption, seen to many movies of the guy squirming in the hole from shell shock. Have you ever seen someone get shot before? South Korea DMZ, North Korean pulled out handgun proceeded to blow his head off.
How many veterans will you find that think a war is a good thing?
Quite a few, depending on the cause, and the love of their country. This one is debateable, but you will fight for your country, your unit, your squad, your family and friends. Would you die for your family? Would you sacrifice your life for the ones that brought you into this world?
Moose sticking your nose in someone else's business without knowing all the facts makes you look bad. I can go round and round, but I won't I offered my point of view if you don't like it that is fine, if you do well that is fine as well. I just think your upset about the Taiwan war comment (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Have fun
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
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Tac,
I agree that Chinese girls are nice.
<--girlfriend is 50% Chinese
However, the possibility of an armed conflict with China over Taiwan is very real.
I won't say any more without citing sources to back me up, but my general understanding is that we are in an agreement with them to send assistance. (they are a trade partner, and they export goods more cheaply then China does... )
Anyone have more background on this then what we all believe because of said media?
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GO diddly YOURSELF IN THE amazinhunk WITH A BIG RUBBER DICK.[/B]
lol....my point exactly. what would the fast food industry be without gems like you. short on workers i imagine -
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Wobble did you skip your meds again? Naughty naughty.
Moose I don't think Sturm took any unfair shots at me, certainly nothing personal. I did call him a tard anyways. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Sturm I'm sure there are some good results from wars for some people, but what if you are the guy lying on the battlefield with your balls blown off, or holding your guts in with your hands, bleeding to death in agony for several hours? Or the young woman being gang raped until death by invading troops? Or a POW forced to march out of the Kessel at Stalingrad, watching your comrades drop like flies from starvation, cold, and fatigue, then ending up in a labor camp in Siberia, having to eat human flesh to survive? War was not "good" for people like that, something on the order of 100 million of them this century. People like that aren't around to say "war is bad", so we get crazy ideas like "war is good". The only way these people can speak is through people who write down what happened to them. I suggest you seek out some of these writings to see how "good" war is. Or if you have already read these kind of things and missed the point, re-read them using a little imagination to think of what it must have been like.
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LOL Santa ! Seewhat you just opened ??? !
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Right.. Taiwan... How is this a United States interest?
Imagine, that Hawaii decided to become it's own country and secede from the union with the promise of assistance from China.
Wouldn't the U.S. reaction be exactly the same as China's with regard to Taiwan?
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cheers,
sand
screamin blue messiahs (http://www.screaminbluemessiahs.org)
The SBM's are hiring! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum11/HTML/000263.html)
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The possibility yes Moose, but I truly doubt it will come to that. China is bound to become the next superpower in this century. In the long run, China is more vital as a trading partner and potential ally than Taiwan. Taiwan is not a recognized nation nor is under the U.N. Even at this moment the Chinese military has the potential to overwhelm any UN forces by sheer numbers... not to mention that they also have huge potential in industry and technology. Only an idiot would fight against such force (without using nukes, but that would mean armaggedon).
Hey, send her sister over! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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heh, getting side stepped here.
So far, I can understand that China views the US as a threat and is a more formidable foe than Cuba. Also has better chances of outlasting Cuba.
So why the tought policy on Cuba but the soft one on China (comparatively)?
Seems to me like treating an ant like a lion, while sticking one's head into the mouth of a lion.
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"You filthy piece of distended rectum! DIE allierte schweinhund!"
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Anyone who thinks China could overwhelm the UN with sheer numbers needs to do a little research. I will leave it at that.
As far as Cuba goes Santa, I'm not really sure why we are so comparatively tough with them. I imagine that as soon as old Fidel kicks the bucket Cuba will be a different place. At least we can hope as much.
Wobble...sometimes its better to remain quiet and have everyone think you're an idiot than open your mouth and remove all doubt.
[This message has been edited by Raubvogel (edited 03-23-2001).]
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Funked
Well at least we are in agreement about one thing. For one thing what war does to a man/woman things normally you would not expect. What I am trying to get at also, we cannot rid ourselves of the past. Why is it men lash out with these hideous acts of crimes? It is quite a compelling look into the psychological affects that war does on a human. Maybe I might need to rephrase it, how was the publics view on the gulf war? Loved it, and why might you ask? because the media covered the whole thing, we got to see it all from Wolf Snitzer. Did we eat it up? You bet everywhere you went TV's were on watching the whole thing. When americans died oh it was a terrible thing, but over 100,000 iraqi's died to our what 500 and change. As a society we look at numbers, and we put them into perspective, with low numbers it is good, but high numbers well the public gets a little worried. Vietnam, Afghanistan, Chechnya case examples. Like it or not the people feed off violence in some form. That doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out, case studies have proven it.
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
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Raub, compared to how you treat China 8which IS more of a threat and even has a worse government than Cuba, with even more people being denied basic human rights or een tortured and killed, lots more political prisoners etc), I think small little Cuba is getting treated worse, with embargos and whatnot.
And CIA assassination attempts of Castro in the early days (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
Methinks it has something to do with this little irritating nation and its totalitarian ruler having been able to withstand the big bear US attempts of "correction" as well. I.e history plays a role as well.
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"You filthy piece of distended rectum! DIE allierte schweinhund!"
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I think its more of a PR matter Santa.
You have Fidel close to the south, an old enemy who tried to screw the US back in the Cold War (the Cuban Missile Crisis).
Fidel = USA's Favorite Bad Guy, every country needs a few bad guys to look good.
Personally I believe the blockade on Cuba is roadkill now that the Cold War is over, the US people think they are doing good to the people of Cuba, but the fact is, its the contrary. Now dont get me wrong, Fidel is an amazinhunk alright, but with the blockade the US are screwing more the people of cuba than they are screwing Fidel himself.
About China, well, its more complicated, they are much worse than cuba, but they really help the US economy in some ways, and in the real world, when you look hard, it all comes down to the $. Its all about it.
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"About China, well, its more complicated, they are much worse than cuba, but they really help the US economy in some ways, and in the real world, when you look hard, it all comes down to the $. Its all about it."
Exactly animal.
Now, following the same train of thought, why do you think the blockade of cuba continues? If you really think about it you may notice an interesting trend. While Castro is in power, the US can point the blame finger and gain PR out of it. Besides, backing out after so many years of commitment would be very embarrasing for the US, not to mention that fidel would happily proclaim that the small, capitalist-oppressed island withstood the pressure and emerged victorious. Oh I can see that being rubbed into the US by castro at every UN meeting!.
While the blockade continues, the island strays behind in development, the people suffer, starve, etc. The island's infrastructure is so undeveloped it has barely changed since castro took over.
Now, imagine Castro died tomorrow. Do you think the blockade will be lifted in the island gets freed from the dictator? YOU BET. But, since the island is in such a sorry state, it will need a hell of a lot of investment to develop the island. *sniff* *sniff* do I smell massive potential for the US industry? Dependency on US aid and industry while the cuban population becomes addicted to the wonders they are witnessing?
In all sense, I really see Cuba becoming a US protectorate a few decades after Fidel falls from power.
Its all a game of poker that's being well played.
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One thing I'm afraid of is a war with China. Back in the early eighties (when I was a mere youngin) it was nearly assumed the next big war would be with Russia and it would surely involve nuclear weapons. When all that changed, the world seemed to change as well.
Now we have this illusion of stability, with one dreadful drawback - China. Our relations with China are bad, not as bad as Russia in the cold war, but -really- bad. All we need is another military screw up (like the bombing of the Chinese embassy) to set it off.
China is a more powerful nation than Russia was, and just as nuclear ready. If we ever had a war with China, and pressed them into a corner - that would be it.
I guess if they pressed us into a corner, that would be it also...
Hopefully that possibility will keep us at peace like it has for so long.
Servo
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Why hasn't anyone mentioned the very determined Cuban exile community in Florida and the USA in general, one must remember who Castro kicked out of his "Socialist Wonderland"- wealthy politically connected families who then escaped to the USA. Is it so hard to imagine that they had an impact in the formation and subsequent continuation of such policies?
Another reason were so cozy with China is due to our pseudo-allience with them against the Russians. Its a little known fact but China and Russia were were nearly in a real war during the 1960s, over some ideological differences between the Glorious Chairman Mao and his Soviet counterparts. The USA stepped in and took advantage of this conflict to gain an opening with China- thats how and why we had Nixon's and Kissenger's trips to China in the 1970s.
Then of course there is the economic and trade issue, for all intensive purpose Cuba's sole exports of interest to the USA was cane sugar and cigars (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif), plus the seized economic interests of several US companies in Cuba, and the Mob's casinos. So not having any realitionship with Cuba does little economic harm to the USA. However this situation may be coming to an end.
Soon the USA may be putting itself in a short term economic disadvantage vis-a-vis Europe and several other economic poweres when it comes to investment in Cuban business and real estate. The last few years have seen an explosion of European and Canadian investement and tourism in Cuba. By the time Cuba and the USA resume political and economic relations the Europeans may have a substantial economic advantge within the Cuban market. Though it seems clear this will only be a temporary advantage for Europe. One cannot ignore the economic impact of the US economy poised only 90 miles tho the north north, so eventually and inevitably become the dominant factor in the Cuban marketplace.
But why wait?
I find it entertaining to see US government officials refer to China as a "Strategic Partner" while calling Cuba an opressive Human rights something or other" Its very very funny.
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Yeah, what ever would we do without all the Beenie Babies we get from China? End of US civilization!
Fortunately, the Chinese don't need the US currency they get from this trade at all.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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you should actually go to china - then you would never fear them again.
when i drove throughout the mainland in the southern part of the country - around gong yi, taishan etc near canton - all i noticed were thousands(literally) of factories of american, german, british and french companies.
notice how everything in your house was made in china?
you see, right now there are a bunch of guys in china who would love for you to go on thinking it is a big nemesis in the east - they are the lowest of the lows: western business men - yeck.
someday maybe they will make a video game where the chinese are the bad guys, or maybe a chuck norris movie where he saves the world from the chinese to better form our perceptions the way they would like them
the chinese highway system is littered with places all catering to western businessmen.
Q:did i expect to find a pool hall serving imported beer and lattes by the name of 'billiards' 200 miles inland?
A: no.
Q: did i?
A:yes.
"why are all these highway signs in english?" i kept asking myself. wouldnt want those diddlys in their 3 piece thieving suits to get lost would ya?
they dont want you to go there because they dont want you to see that china is a giant westerner's industrial park filled with incredibly poor people just fighting to get by.your opinion might chnange drastically and they can't afford to risk any profit...
and i mean they are - poor - they wouldn't hold up in a war for ten seconds because WE ARE their infrastructure. they have based their country's economy on being the cheapest source of labor
all we have to do is pull our factories out of china and they would fold. and so would we probably because our economies are addicted to each other.
as for the oppressive government? they are oppressive but the realize with the success of hong kong that they have to change - notice nothing's changed in hong kong or the new territories area since the take-over???hmmmmmmmm
the police are pretty loose actually throughout the country and do very little about flagrant capitalism right in front of them. capitalism is fine in china as long as your booth is red, and has picture of mau somewhere. the government is old-school and they just use that capitalism line to get rid of people they dont like -
i watched the news on tv over there and watching the new and improved government was like trying to watch your grandpa talk in rapper slang or something. seemed forced but at least they were trying.
they would parade the airwaves with stories about how some farmer went against the system and the government listened to him and changed things. the guy would be standing there in his farmer outfit shaking his hand and taking propaganda pictures.on the day i arrived there was a big deal because they release a prisoner that had tried to stir the democracy movement over the internet - he served 2 years in jail and they were very open about it and even acknowledged that people disapproved.
i dont want to defend them, but they are way out of step and run by old stiff guys and they dont quite get it yet but the culture will force a change.
i just hate to see a country like china - where everyone was extremely cool including the soldiers(who often speed americans through customs because we are their favorite) downed by people who are being good little tools and buying the u.s. propaganda hook line and sinker.
it's a lot more complicated than you think. if you tire of swallowing the filth the nightly news throws at you, or the smell of the sheeps bellybutton in front of you in the herd, then get a ticket and go there - they won't bite you, it's a beautiful country and you might learn something.
or better yet - pick up your made in china phone and call any corporation in this country and ask them about their holdings in china:
- how many factories and subsidiaries are there?
- how many people do you employ?
- what is their average wage?
- how much does your corporation save annually in taxes and wage differential by building your widgets in china?
- did china's civil rights practices sway your decision do business there?
you won't get anywhere btw - you will get some smiley PR guy if you are lucky but more likely you will get kathy the secretary (if anyone)who can't wait to get home and watch lifetime, have a red baron pizza and continue ignoring you and worrying about her weight.
you should wonder why.
sorry for the long post, but the reality is way off from what you are led to believe in the states.
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Well Mr Fish, that was what I was trying to say, but you put it far me eloquently than I. Well said!
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"they wouldn't hold up in a war for ten seconds because WE ARE their infrastructure. they have based their country's economy on being the cheapest source of labor "
Umm.. I dont think so. 1st thing they'd do is confiscate all the factories and use them to either make war materials or use the produced goods to sell them somewhere else. Either way, the infrastructure is IN China, the consumers in the US. You can find the consumers elsewhere, but the US cant move or find the already built infrastructure anywhere else in a timely fashion (so US economy dont hurt).
All else, I agree mrfish.
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MrFish, ever spent much time deep in rural China? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
I can guarantee you that imported beer and English roadsigns are are rare as brain cells in a boy band member.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"You filthy piece of distended rectum! DIE allierte schweinhund!"
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Originally posted by StSanta:
MrFish, ever spent much time deep in rural China? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
I can guarantee you that imported beer and English roadsigns are are rare as brain cells in a boy band member.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
lol - very true santa. however imported beer and english roadsigns are rare in rural america as well (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
rural china was like a weird nightmare. i went to visit my wife's family in a rural dive along the pearl river. near a bananna plantation - they had 'cars' which were basically an engine from a tractor (i'm guessing tractor - it was a straight six huge bore thing)bolted to the chassis of some stripped toyota or something. like mad max road warrior stuff. they drove over the grass as there are no roads around and used boats.
even in towns there are roads but no traffic signs - which can get confusing when the farmers come to town with their livestock on their backs and everyone on bikes.
also running water and sewage are a luxury in many places. it was weird though - i have a picture of a guy standing in the road out in nowheres-ville china with chickens running around like the stone age and the guy is on a cell phone - even in the sticks!
in another instance i stopped at a gas station deep in the mainland that had no running water and a bucket round back for the toilet and looked like it would collapse - yet they had a freezer inside full of sprite pepsi ice cream- you name it! the north - closer to the capital is different i hear and more militaristic though i cant say 1st hand.
go to china sometime - it is like getting sucked into a salvador dali painting (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Greetings from Hong Kong. What a perfect place and time to log in and read this thread.
The Hobbled is a Godsend to the AH bbs. Just as rametz4 exits, we get instant entertainment replacment from a complete fool. Hating a billion people for no reason, not wanting to trade with a country that generates billions in products, AND then ol' mr.fish gets a rubber dink thrown at him to boot! oooh man.....
As far as I can tell this is one clean, organised, great place with really great people. Structured organised, and friendly. I could do without the machine guns, but then again no one is acting a fool anywhere either. Always amazed at how good the service and politness of people is overseas.
Personally, I can tell you we are more than happy to be starting a non-stop flight to TaiPei from San Jose as it's a huge computer/technology base and will help a diving silicon valley. Depends on where your at I guess. Pry not that big a concern down there in a dry creek bed shootin up tin cans in Victoria, Texas eh Hobbled?
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[This message has been edited by Creamo (edited 03-24-2001).]
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Wobbly doesn't just shoot tin cans, he's also a shirtless internet stock broker, with a suped up pick-up truck and a very wealthy girlfriend.
He's a great guy, so leave him alone.
[This message has been edited by Dowding (edited 03-25-2001).]
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LOL Dali painting (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif). Succintly put (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"You filthy piece of distended rectum! DIE allierte schweinhund!"
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LOL DOWDING!!!!!!
I think its appropiate I post this:
Me and My GF are moving to Austin soon and both bought pistols to keep at home and in car, well today I decided to take her out for some target practice, we drove a way out into the country and I drove My 4x4 down into a dry creek bed, we found a few old cans and started plinking away, her with H&K 40 and Me with My new Glock 40, after about 20 min we ran out of targets (cans don't last long against bullets that size) I looked in my truck bed and saw this small aerosol type can that had been rattling around there so long that the nozzle had broken off and all the paint had been worn away. So I took this small silver can and put it on a stump about 40 feet away and said, "lets see who can hit it first" Me ad her began tapping away at it and on the 5 shot I hit it and POOF! the canister was gone and a large red mist blew into the air, like a total handsomehunk i started walking twords it when suddenly it hit me PEPPER SPRAY, it was an old but quite full pepper spray can my GF had a while back, I was already too close to the cloud to react so immediately all my exposed skin began to sting and my lungs burned like hell, I was quite sweaty with no shirt so that just made things worse[/i], Anywho it was a most disagreeable experience that did not end till I took a long shower about half an hour later.
I printed this beautiful poetry and keep it inside my pocket all the time. Everytime my day goes wrong, I take it out and read it. Tears of joy drip from my eyes. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
About this "China is a giant pile of toejam, bush wants to trade with them..." Well Wobbly, of course you were gonna get a reaction, specially from Mrfish since his wifey is Chinese. Sorry it backfired; Guppy and his wife are both collectively smarter than 10 people randomly chosen in this BBS. And she was born in CHINA.
C'mon Wobble, you might as well come out here in a BBS and say it where nobody will do you anything: "I am a closed minded bigot and I also hate ANYTHING and ANYONE that is not from the US or its closest allies. I am also quite shirtless and sweaty"
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no offense, but every time I try to picture wobble the image of CHICKEN (from cartoon COW AND CHICKEN) come to my mind... with a dixie flag on his chest. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by Dowding:
Wobbly doesn't just shoot tin cans, he's also a shirtless internet stock broker, with a suped up pick-up truck and a very wealthy girlfriend.
i can't stop laughing...stop...the imagery....too much...losing bowel control
animal: thanks, kind words, though most people on this bbs know more than anyone i know in day to day life about a range of things, especially poitics and history - it is a constant source of learning for me <S> bbs - (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Oh crap, Cow & Chicken will never be the same again (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
"ooooh Chiiiic-keeen! Deed you know that Chaina is a giant pile of shiiit? Oh how I Haaate China!"
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http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html)
http://www.uschina.org/press/trade7.html (http://www.uschina.org/press/trade7.html)
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