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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: 1K3 on July 29, 2005, 02:06:22 PM
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This is the best i can find...
(http://airbase.ru/alpha/rus/p/pe/2/img/pe2_ch_1.jpg)
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Better than nothing...
It's interesting to see the dorsal gunner in the cut away image, sitting sideways to aim the gun. Had to restrict the range of motion for that particular mount.
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he also has his undercrackers on the outside of his trousers..must be superman
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Originally posted by Tails
Better than nothing...
It's interesting to see the dorsal gunner in the cut away image, sitting sideways to aim the gun. Had to restrict the range of motion for that particular mount.
looks like he is just standing up. bet it was hard to aim when maneuvering
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A pain either way.
Looks like this thing had underwing 250kg bomb racks, internal wing 100kg bomb bays, and a fuselage bomb bay for what looks like 4 more 100kg's. Decent bomb load for sure.
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Why does crewman #2 look like he's molesting the ventral
gunner? :lol
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I wonder if Petlyakov produced a Pe-2 version that doesnt have the radio and ventral gun controller
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Originally posted by Rino
Why does crewman #2 look like he's molesting the ventral
gunner? :lol
looks like crewman #2 is the ventral gunner
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In the Pe-2 cockpit, the pilot's seat sits on a raised platform (not a full floor, per se) on the left side. The gunner right behind him has a side-ways facing chair on the starboard side (facing port) and he stands up to aim the gun and turn the turret. The radio operator in the rear cabin also has the ventral gun. He can open some flaps to see out below him, and open some doors to aim the gun (I believe it's locked when the clamshell doors are shut). The radio room started with 2 guns on each side as well (the two small mushroom-shaped windows each had an SVak (spelling?) shooting out each side. However these were ineffective, heavy, and removed by ground crews almost immediately (and most of those windows were painted over with the camoflague). However, the ventral gun position, much like that of a Boston or A20G, most likely had more of a downward cone of fire, rather than a rear-ward cone of fire (it's nearly imposible to get on your belly to aim straight aft, let alone see past the clamshell doors at that angle).
Those diagrams show the internal bomb bays. However the more common bomb load was on 4 external bomb points under the wings and fuselage (blocking the bomb bays). I believe it consisted of 2 500lbs and 2 1000lbs bombs (it was 2 large near the center and 2 smaller outboard of those, so either 1000/500 or 500/250, which I don't buy, it's too light a load to be effective for anything).
It had 1 forward firing gun, a 12.7mm gun (as the ventral and dorsal guns were), and I believe it only had 150 rounds.
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That diagram definately shows the FAB-250's (~550lbs). I'll just take your word on it carrying FAB-500's as well. Would still be a neat little plane for AH. And the ruskeis could always use the extra plane :D
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Maximum bomb load of the Pe-2 was 1000kg(~2200lbs).
Internal bomb-bays in the fuselage and engine nacelles could carry (4+2)6 x 100kg bombs.
OR
External hardpoints on the inner wings & belly could carry 2 x 500kg or 4 x 250kg bombs.
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Externally: Not just 2x500, OR 4x250. They could carry 2x500 AND 2x250. That much I'm sure of. I guess that makes sense. The B-25 could only carry 3x500lbs (about the same weight), too.
But The bomb load was either 6x100kg or the 1500lb external load. They didn't mix internal/external, from anything I've ever seen.
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i recall that there are times when Pe-2s carried overloaded bombs in some missions.
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Initially they used the internal load.. Then pretty soon they put on the sway braces under the fuselage/wings and put on much larger loads (the plane could easily take them), because they could do more damage that way. I think they stopped using the internal bomb bays, for the most part.
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3 x 500lbs(1500lbs or 680kg) does not equal 2x500kg+2x250kg(1500kg or 3300lbs)
I don't think it is valid to compare the B-25 and Pe-2, since the former has a max loaded weight which is double that of the Pe-2!(34,000lbs vs 17,000lbs). A fully loaded Pe-2 is actually lighter than a P-38J with no external stores loaded(and the Lightning could carry a 4,000lbs maximum bomb load!).
I would like to know what source is quoting a 1500kg(3,300lbs) maximum bomb load for the Pe-2?
Gordon & Khazanov's "Soviet Combat Aircraft of the Second World War Vol. 2" says 1000kg max.
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hmmmm... And why this topic? Do you guys know something I/all others dont?
Anyone need any Brewster dokumentation? :D