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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Boroda on July 29, 2005, 05:03:10 PM
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http://mosnews.com/news/2005/07/29/basayevinter.shtml
So-called "freedom of press" is a dangerous pest, and it will probably be a last straw to break a spine of Western civilisation :(
Basayev's first "public appearence" was 10 years ago when he and his gang rampaged a town of Budennovsk and took a whole maternity hospital as hostages... ("for ransom" is a wrong expression here, in Russian it's "vzyat' v zalozhniki").
Frankly speaking - I can't imagine Usama bin Laden on Russian Central TV with an interview about planning further attacks on the US civilian targets.
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I agree..freedom of the press is dangerous....The press can will and has bent the public to their will....It hapens everyday with the grossy slanted stories on both the right and the left that are in the news over here. The press has no respect for anyone's privacy or personal life.
Personally, I'm all for freedom of speech and all, but when it comes to the newspapers and TV "journalism" I wouldn't mind if it censored/bannned and was all just state propaganda..at least then you could know for sure it was BS
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i was speechless...
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Originally posted by ASTAC
Personally, I'm all for freedom of speech and all, but when it comes to the newspapers and TV "journalism" I wouldn't mind if it censored/bannned and was all just state propaganda..at least then you could know for sure it was BS
You described a situation in USSR in exact words. Everyone knew it was bull****.
But in USSR terrorism was impossible. There was no room for "terror" in government-controlled media.
At the same time with "free press" we get a situation when terror is spread even without terrorist acts: someone just has to buy some newspaper or a single journalist, and, voila, terror on parade.
Free press is an oxymoron. So it goes. They are all sponsored by state or some financial/poltical groups. Here we have a state that isn't interested in sponsoring any media, so - we have unbelievable diversity even on Central TV. Scizophrenia.
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Originally posted by Boroda
But in USSR terrorism was impossible.
Does Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn agree with this assessment?
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I thought he was killed. Thats weird but no surprise.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Does Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn agree with this assessment?
A bloody bastard lives in an apartment that was supposed to be given to one of my Jewish class-mates family :mad: Plyuschiha street is a whoopee expensive place to live, if you don't have a room in a communal flat without hot water....
He already apologized and said that "GULag Archipelago" was a lie and a biggest mistake of his life.
He's a prehistoric Russian nationalist. I respect him as a GPW veteran, but he's not a person to listen and obey. I have a beard also, but neither me or him are Tolstoy's.
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I hope one of these days a reporter grows some balls and pulls out gun and just starts capping these mother#$%#@$s.
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You should become a reporter, mister tough guy.
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Originally posted by Boroda
http://mosnews.com/news/2005/07/29/basayevinter.shtml
So-called "freedom of press" is a dangerous pest, and it will probably be a last straw to break a spine of Western civilisation :(
I think you're going off the deep edge again with that statement. But I think you're right that they shouldn't have aired that interview. But in their defense, it must be hard to be a good journalist when you're completely lacking integrity.
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I see nothing wrong with the article. Basayev condemms himself in his own words.
He admits being part of the Beslan massacre and being a terrorist. He has no apology for the death of the children.
As far as I'm concerned the article is a good example of how the press can expose evil people for what they are.
It does him no favours whatsoever.
Some of you people are quick to sell your freedom because you don't like what other people say. Try and remember this. If the government controls what the the press says. They control what what you say and what you think. Freedom of the press is simply freedom of speech.
But in USSR terrorism was impossible. There was no room for "terror" in government-controlled media.
Certainly no room for government-controlled terrorism.
But don't worry Boroda, Putin is gradually retracting your freedoms. Soon it won't be long before you will be back under state control. You certainly will not be allowed to post to an American Bulletin Board. Too risky, you might get the wrong ideas.
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Originally posted by SOB
You should become a reporter, mister tough guy.
If Mike will become a reporter - he'll probably not make money on selling tapes with filmed executions and tortures like that ******* Babitskiy who interviewed Basayev.
I want to stab that "journalist" with a three-edged Russian bayonet into his fat belly (got fat on terrorist money) and look into his eyes while his guts will get wrapped around a steel rod protruding from my hands, and I'll use a XIX century method - insert a bayonet from above and then push a rifle butt down. And I hope there will be some doctor around to keep him suffering as long as it's possible.
Bayonet. It's an only death for them that they are afraid of. Being slaughtered like a pig means that they'll never reach their Moslim paradise with all that virgins waiting for them.
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On the morning of April 22, 1996, the Chechen leader Dzhokhar Dudayev was fatally wounded. He was having a long talk on his mobile telephone, the story goes, when suddenly a missile struck almost his exact location. The bane of Russian forces fighting the Chechen separatists subsequently died of his wounds. According to unconfirmed sources, Dudayev's mobile-phone conversation was monitored by a Russian signals-intelligence (SIGINT) unit, which immediately passed the target's grid coordinates to a missile brigade tens of kilometers away, equipped with the Tochka battlefield rocket. It took about 10 minutes from the time Dudayev was located to the impact of the missile.
I enjoyed reading this. I hope this piece of **** meets a similar ending.
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Originally posted by Boroda
If Mike will become a reporter - he'll probably not make money on selling tapes with filmed executions and tortures like that ******* Babitskiy who interviewed Basayev.
I want to stab that "journalist" with a three-edged Russian bayonet into his fat belly (got fat on terrorist money) and look into his eyes while his guts will get wrapped around a steel rod protruding from my hands, and I'll use a XIX century method - insert a bayonet from above and then push a rifle butt down. And I hope there will be some doctor around to keep him suffering as long as it's possible.
Bayonet. It's an only death for them that they are afraid of. Being slaughtered like a pig means that they'll never reach their Moslim paradise with all that virgins waiting for them.
Wow. Remember, always take the recommended dosage of your special pills in the morning. Not less, and never more!
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So much blood thirst...
The shape of the things to come...
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Originally posted by Zwerg
So much blood thirst...
The shape of the things to come...
I don't think that a "journalist" filming executions, fingers, hands and heads being cut off and then this films appear in the Western market for some perverts deserves anything else. There are some things that should not be turned into business.
Babitskiy was already caught once with such "materials" in 1999 or 2000 IIRC. He's a personal friend of terrorist commanders :(
It's well-known that a fear of death from a bayonet is a serious argument to surrender for that pseudo-Moslims.
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Originally posted by cpxxx
I see nothing wrong with the article. Basayev condemms himself in his own words.
He admits being part of the Beslan massacre and being a terrorist. He has no apology for the death of the children.
As far as I'm concerned the article is a good example of how the press can expose evil people for what they are.
It does him no favours whatsoever.
Some of you people are quick to sell your freedom because you don't like what other people say. Try and remember this. If the government controls what the the press says. They control what what you say and what you think. Freedom of the press is simply freedom of speech.
Certainly no room for government-controlled terrorism.
But don't worry Boroda, Putin is gradually retracting your freedoms. Soon it won't be long before you will be back under state control. You certainly will not be allowed to post to an American Bulletin Board. Too risky, you might get the wrong ideas.
Needed to be repeated... SPOT ON SIR.
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the freedom of the the press is indispensible to a free people. it is up to the discerning reader to first of all consider the source of any news item and then search for the opposing view on any issue. the truth of the issue will often be found somewhere in the middle. if our founding fathers considered this to be an important enough issue as to be included in our bill of rights and ours is the most successful and most equitable method of governing a great people I believe others would do well to emulating our successful system instead of finding fault with it. while i will concede that ours is not a perfect system, our system is still better than anyone elses. thanks for your concern though.
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Originally posted by storch
the freedom of the the press is indispensible to a free people. it is up to the discerning reader to first of all consider the source of any news item and then search for the opposing view on any issue. the truth of the issue will often be found somewhere in the middle. if our founding fathers considered this to be an important enough issue as to be included in our bill of rights and ours is the most successful and most equitable method of governing a great people I believe others would do well to emulating our successful system instead of finding fault with it. while i will concede that ours is not a perfect system, our system is still better than anyone elses. thanks for your concern though.
Ya I'm for Free Speech as well, but it's got to the point were the press is actually helping terrorists get their propaganda and messages out. How many heads do you think would have been taken if terrorist thought that no one would now about it because the press wouldn't help promote their actions?
This guy Basayev did the interview BECAUSE he wanted to be heard.... and the press knew it would be a hot story (money motivated) and did it.
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so... how will the new russian communism deal with the internet? Will boroda be able to post here from behind his new iron curtain (to keep westerners from pouring in)?
freedom is just to dangerous for people to think they can have.
lazs
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Boroda -
I completely understand and sympathize with your outrage regarding this. As you correctly point out, something similar featuring OBL would make me feel the same way.
That said, there's merit in what cpxxx wrote. While this interview being broadcast allowed this terrorist to speak his piece to the public, it also exposed his confession to his terrorist actions and intentions.
The viewing public may both be outraged, as we are, or inspired to admire this person, if they are sympathizers. That's the "sword cuts both ways" aspect of completely open and unrestricted journalism. So long as journalists report accurately what their investigation reveals, people may see the facts and decide for themselves what the meaning is.
I would hope that the real benefit might be that folks who aren't in either camp (those that despise this guy or those that admire him), who previously weren't aware of him, might be repulsed and caused to revile this person and his goals by seeing this report.
Knowledge is power. Just as a wise person once advised that if you like sausage, don't watch it being made, sometimes we have to accept that the truth may in some instances be ugly. This report exposed some truth. More people now know that this man is admittedly a terrorist. Let's hope we can rely upon people drawing the correct conclusions from that knowledge.
Don't mistake me here. Like you, I cannot avoid being angry when thinking about a man like this reporter, who can witness the things he's reported and still willingly continue to maintain relationships that allow him to see more. Like Funked, I'm prompted to think he should be doing something to eliminate the source rather than publicize it. But its also fair to point out that by doing what he's doing, we're allowed to have knowledge of the enemy we might not otherwise have.
The bottom line is that truth is truth, and its not always pretty. But, there's good reason to argue that pretty or not, its best to know the truth. That's why freedom of the press is an important, while not always pleasant, component of our lives.
culero