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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: AmRaaM on July 30, 2005, 12:01:55 PM
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Why is this country always so undermanned ? What started this trend anyways ?
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I heard it was a strange smell...
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how about the fact that the huge remaining nazi squads call everyone who enters bishtardland spies? or the fact that the huge remaining nazi squads care only about taking bases? hmmmmmm could it be???
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Nazi squads???
who are you refering to
I guess im not understanding the disdain shown towards Bish latley,,,I think the main squads like BoPs', 31st and all the other smaller squads are filled with good guys, of course all sides have thier bad apples, but judging the Bish by what a few lamo's do
seems unfair
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Very well put Cooley. I dont think Ive heard of anyone on the Sick Puppies ever calling anyone anything about coming over to the Bish. In fact, Ive often seen on Channel 200 encouraging invites welcoming those that wish to give the Bish a try. And those that have come over Ive heard grateful acknowledgments on the air. Its a shame a few "bad apples" can cause such disdain.
Muttman
Sick Puppies
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Well cooley, the statement did come from morph, and we all know how he acts in the Game and BBS.
:rolleyes:
But to stick to the subject, numbers will never be perfect. Have fun fighting and to the bish squads.
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When the 479th first came over from Knitwit land, a few of us had to put up with the typical crap about being spies and "why don't you go back to where you came from...". Most of this crap was spewed by two of the big Bish squads (one has since disbanded and reformed in Knitwit land) at the time. Was kind of puzzled at first at the resentment towards the 479th but then the squads that were spewing their crap were the ones the 479th would regularly slaughter. For the most part though, the majority of the Bishops had been really good to us. What started as just a one tour visit to Bishops turned into an open ended stay.
ack-ack
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I dunno... Flew Bish for a few days maybe a week and a half ago and was STILL hearing junk about certain individuals (note, not squads, individuals) that wanted to fly for another country for awhile.
Now I could see how if the #s were bad you might get upset if an entire squad left for greener pastures but to badmouth an individual specifically (note, one plane, a drop in the ocean) just wasn't cool. Especially since it was already old news.
Still talking about one guy? Man.
Then, when another fellow who switched Bish to even #s and I pointed out how stupid it was to keep ranking on the guy and branding him "... the TRAITOR", WE get "scolded" on how its not cool to make fun of people who are loyal to a particular country... Didn't think that was our point, but hey.
I don't mean this to be a bish bash as there are certainly many really great people flying for them but if you want people to switch sides to help you it really might help if your bad apples stopped bad mouthing people that switch sides... Those would be the EXACT people you need at the moment if you want the numbers to even out.
As it is, the bad apples are having the effect of solidifying on the Bish the stereotype of being a country full of pre-pubescent teens.
I know you're right Cooley and it's not fair, but I switched with good intentions and left with rolling eyes... It's just my opinion and don't be offended if you aren't one of the offenders.
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I only switch to spy. :rofl
J/K
I have been over to the Bish a few times in the past few weeks working with a couple of guys.
The Bish were all havin a fun time even though they were out matched numbers wise and were not complainin about it while in the game. Maybe the BBS give em time to vent but certainly not in the MA. Then again I rarely monitor 200 unless its to exchange a with someone.
They're a perty good group of guys and I really enjoy shootin....err fighting em :D (sorry) Don't worry Bish your time will come....one day....:)
As far as changing countries. If someone invites you over to get in some learning and practice. Take them up on it. If some squad whines about it why would you want to be in their squad in the first place? They don't sound smart enough to know you are learning something that will help you and maybe even something you can pass along that will help the whole squad and country.
When I swap countries I tell my squad "if no one objects I'll be over in another country for a day or so helping someone out". Guess what? No one objects. Why? Because it's a game and I'm not changing sides cause Im mad or wanna hunt someone.
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There needs to be a larger penalty for countrys with huge numbers put into place.
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Originally posted by Messiah
There needs to be a larger penalty for countrys with huge numbers put into place.
Yeah like have Messiah switch to the side with the numbers. I think that'll be punishment enough and people will leave that country:p
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Really? We need larger penaltys and more rules telling people how to play the game they pay for?
Not.
I dont need more people telling me how I can spend my time online that I paid for. If you want to play games with lots of rules and no bad stuff happening, my 6 yr old nephew recommends you try Candlyland or Chutes and Ladders. No monthly charge either!
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As a lone gun in the game, I have played Rook for years. I went over to the Bish side for he very 1st time a month ago as I was curious as to how the Bish and Knit played and I wanted to help the underdogs who were short in numbers.
I cant say the reception was a warm one. Noone accused me of spying etc and a couple of the guys flying were genial enough, but there appeared to be no great willingness on the Bish side to combat the hordes against them.
When I asked about missions etc after seeing some poor slob post one in the interest of gaining some form of retalitory response, i recieved replies on how the Bish (those there on the day) prefered to fly in their squads and didnt want to join the missions of others. I thought that a little odd but accepted it as one of those occassions where we all like to do our own thing and not get caught up in the wanton needs of others online. However the 2nd, 3rd and 4th day with the Bish all appeared to be the same. No co-operation. No ingame banter about bandits on 6's or up high etc and I was left with the distinct impression that noone gave so much as a frogs prettythang about fighting back anymore.
I then made the mistake of asking about large squads in the game (Bish side) that were recruiting as I had been thinking about flying with a large group ingame as opposed to continuing my lonely efforts in the sky. This was about the only time I recieved any sort of response and while I can accept the dry humour of others and how its open to misinterpretation over the internet, again I was left with the impression that noone gave a hoot about my recruitment offer.
Now it could have been that noone wanted me. Not a problem as im only interested in those that did, but I remember thinking to myself, what if I was a Noobie just joined the game and happened by unfortunate circumstance to choose the Bish side as my intro to Aces High? If I was new, id have probably turned right back around and left the game with a not to friendly disposition towards it.
Continuing my quest for alternative side adventures, I went Knit. (Not that the knits had any lack of numbers to play with). Immediately I noticed a distinct difference in game play. Warm welcome, friendly atmosphere, helpful and their communication ingame was on par with that I knew as a Rook. So much so, ive decided to stick it out with the Knits for a while as the Rooks hardly need me and I wont be missed anyway.
I accept that I could have tried the Bish on a bad week. That my timings ingame may not be consistent with finding the best players the Bish have to offer in terms of collaboration wise, but I dont think thats the problem. Bish have some serious communication problems on their side of the pond. I wish them well, but I have no desire to fly there again.
This of course is one mans view. Yours may differ.
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Really? We need larger penaltys and more rules telling people how to play the game they pay for?
Not.
I dont need more people telling me how I can spend my time online that I paid for. If you want to play games with lots of rules and no bad stuff happening, my 6 yr old nephew recommends you try Candlyland or Chutes and Ladders. No monthly charge either!
How about you calm down before you blow a vein there buddy. Firstly I never said that you couldn't play the game how you wanted to. Secondly, I spoke nothing of "rules" you seem to have totally blown my post out of porportion. Thirdly, penalties for large numbers will make the sides more even and will be mroe fun for all. Fourthly, I can PWN YOU and your 6 yo at candyland anytime.
Good Day
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Originally posted by Messiah
Fourthly, I can PWN YOU and your 6 yo at candyland anytime.
Good Day
LOL!
ack-ack
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I have found that since being so outnumbered almsot where ever i go i encouter 1v2 or even 1v3 fights and i am still able to win out of this fight. So I cant complain heh;)
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Personally I prefer to fight bish because they turn out to bring better fights and more even because they dont go up to the 20k that the rooks do and find that the bish form the perfect furballs with the knights. If Im not correct thought I believe most of the bish are on in the morning and in the afternoon.
Last night was fighting mostly rooks for the night. Went to furby island thinking it will be good furballs. Ended up being bish didnt even bother with it and it was basically knights vs rooks. First flight of the night it is 3 rooks vs me. I ended up winning that gang somehow then get picked. Next flight I get 2 more then get picked. After that I was lucky to get 1 without getting picked and then I had a couple squaddies that were trying to get coalt with rooks. They ended up going to 30k and were still looking up at the rooks! While they were climbing up there I go into a fight then had 10 rooks alone dive down from probably 15k and swarm me.
After that pretty much pissed me off I went to fight the bish which ended up brining the perfect furball of the night and made my night happy. I salute you bish for bringing the usually the best fights of the night.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
how about the fact that the huge remaining nazi squads call everyone who enters bishtardland spies? or the fact that the huge remaining nazi squads care only about taking bases? hmmmmmm could it be???
i think you guys have more skills in that SQD armored with the best fighters created by MA, than all bish combined, Why don't you make a 4th team,"BKops" to balance the game ?!!. But i understand is more fun , killing bish nobs, we are flying in circles like those drunk drones in TA,
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If you're looking for a good fight in fighers, it's always been Bish vs Knights.
If you want a good high alt. fight flying a bomber, (not wanting to get swarmed) go against Rooks. They've always got 3 or 4 guys at 30k but you'll almost never find a Bish up that high.
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Originally posted by ghi
i think you guys have more skills in that SQD armored with the best fighters created by MA, than all bish combined, Why don't you make a 4th team,"BKops" to balance the game ?!!. But i understand is more fun , killing bish nobs, we are flying in circles like those drunk drones in TA,
Well if you understand, then why did you ask???:p
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Originally posted by ghi
i think you guys have more skills in that SQD armored with the best fighters created by MA, than all bish combined, Why don't you make a 4th team,"BKops" to balance the game ?!!. But i understand is more fun , killing bish nobs, we are flying in circles like those drunk drones in TA,
No need to bash our squad, I was a bishop before a lot of you were even playing this game. Hell ghi, you and I were squaddies years ago.
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I spoke of this in the MA one night, I will re-iterate it here. Each country has a particular 'feel'. That 'feel' is largely determined by the character, playstyle and personality of the individuals that comprise that country regularly. It has been since I've played AH and continues to be Bishland's first priority to take fields. Taking fields is paramount even at the expense of fun, fights and surviving. While this may be attractive to some people, especially buffers , GV'ers and pork n' auger types it is not attractive to your upper echelon fighters jocks and new players who really just want to fight air to air and could care less about the land-grab game.
Compound this land-grab-centric playstyle with some weird pre-pubescent ostrasization of anyone and everyone who attempts to join Bish to help out and you have a recipe for disaster. There are two things Bish can do collectively to remedy the situation.
1) Stop being salamanders, stop accusing everyone of being spies who decides to switch from their regular country to help you for an evening. Take is from someone who fights you all the time, you need all the help you can get, especially in the fighter pilot dept.
2) Here's your new mantra, live by it, breathe by it, tatoo it onto your forheads and your numbers probelm will soon be rectified...
"Fly for the fights not for the fields!"
The single biggest distinction between the Rooks, Knights and Bishops is quite succinctly this...Rooks and Knights preceive and treat the land-grab aspect of AH as the superfluous back-drop to the far more important air to air combat aspect. Bishops treat and perceive air to air combat as the superfluous back-drop to the far more important land-grab game. This may seem like a subtle difference but it has profound implications from individual egagements with and for Bishops all the way up to the entire war itself and how it plays out and 'feels'. People like myself who have played these games for well over a decade are privvy to these subtle nuances and are affected by them and make our playtime decisions largely based on them.
The incredible irony for Bishops is that they are so land-grab-centric and have such a reluctance and/or disdain for actual air to air combat that they lack the skills necessary to hold onto their precious land. So, in a very real way, in a funny twist of logic, if Bishops collectively decide to become more fight-centric like Rooks and Knits they will actually become better at holding and keeping their land and as an ancillary benefit their numbers and quality will improve proportionately.
Zazen
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So much so, ive decided to stick it out with the Knits for a while as the Rooks hardly need me and I wont be missed anyway.
We miss you:D If you ever come back Rook you are welcome to fly with us anytime. Ive been hounding LesterJ to join for a while now anyway. BTW, my squad did a tour of the 3 countries a while back. We pretty much had the had impressions you did. Knits and Rooks seem about the same, but something is off with the Bish right now.
They've always got 3 or 4 guys at 30k but you'll almost never find a Bish up that high.
Who are these alt monkey Rooks people are always *****ing about? I never see these fellows.
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Originally posted by ghi
i think you guys have more skills in that SQD armored with the best fighters created by MA, than all bish combined, Why don't you make a 4th team,"BKops" to balance the game ?!!. But i understand is more fun , killing bish nobs, we are flying in circles like those drunk drones in TA,
Heh i wouldnt say they have all the best fighters in the whole game. They got some good ones tho....
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I spoke of this in the MA one night, I will re-iterate it here. Each country has a particular 'feel'. That 'feel' is largely determined by the character, playstyle and personality of the individuals that comprise that country regularly. It has been since I've played AH and continues to be Bishland's first priority to take fields. Taking fields is paramount even at the expense of fun, fights and surviving. While this may be attractive to some people, especially buffers , GV'ers and pork n' auger types it is not attractive to your upper echelon fighters jocks and new players who really just want to fight air to air and could care less about the land-grab game.
Compound this land-grab-centric playstyle with some weird pre-pubescent ostrasization of anyone and everyone who attempts to join Bish to help out and you have a recipe for disaster. There are two things Bish can do collectively to remedy the situation.
1) Stop being salamanders, stop accusing everyone of being spies who decides to switch from their regular country to help you for an evening. Take is from someone who fights you all the time, you need all the help you can get, especially in the fighter pilot dept.
2) Here's your new mantra, live by it, breathe by it, tatoo it onto your forheads and your numbers probelm will soon be rectified...
"Fly for the fights not for the fields!"
The single biggest distinction between the Rooks, Knights and Bishops is quite succinctly this...Rooks and Knights preceive and treat the land-grab aspect of AH as the superfluous back-drop to the far more important air to air combat aspect. Bishops treat and perceive air to air combat as the superfluous back-drop to the far more important land-grab game. This may seem like a subtle difference but it has profound implications from individual egagements with and for Bishops all the way up to the entire war itself and how it plays out and 'feels'. People like myself who have played these games for well over a decade are privvy to these subtle nuances and are affected by them and make our playtime decisions largely based on them.
The incredible irony for Bishops is that they are so land-grab-centric and have such a reluctance and/or disdain for actual air to air combat that they lack the skills necessary to hold onto their precious land. So, in a very real way, in a funny twist of logic, if Bishops collectively decide to become more fight-centric like Rooks and Knits they will actually become better at holding and keeping their land and as an ancillary benefit their numbers and quality will improve proportionately.
Zazen
Aww zazen this gets too good. couple knights ago you were just saying that the bishops were switching just for the perks and stuff like that. Yabbing on channel 200 all knight long. *chuckles*:rofl
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Hey everyone, its me!! Anyways about bish #s and taitors. I think i speak for most of the GOOD Bish when i say i love being the underdogs, cuz when we win, its because we ALL worked together. Plus there are always more targets out there for us GOOD guys! WIth the traitor thing, for as long as i have played AH wheather in H2H or MA, it always happens. Just something you need to roll off your shoulder. Just my 2 cents!
Egle31st
P.S. To all my buds and enemies alike in the game, i shall return VERY soon. Hopefully by the begining to mid Sept! Cant wait to fly or fight against ya!
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Originally posted by Zazen13
2) Here's your new mantra, live by it, breathe by it, tatoo it onto your forheads and your numbers probelm will soon be rectified...
"Fly for the fights not for the fields!"
The single biggest distinction between the Rooks, Knights and Bishops is quite succinctly this...Rooks and Knights preceive and treat the land-grab aspect of AH as the superfluous back-drop to the far more important air to air combat aspect. Bishops treat and perceive air to air combat as the superfluous back-drop to the far more important land-grab game.
Zazen
I'm started to wonder if you actually believe the B.S. you seem to always spew. I guess you've spewed so much that you've gotten some in your eyes.
It is also obvious that you have little experience flying with the Bishops for any appreciable amount of time. And flying for a few hours as a Bishop hardly counts.
The main reason why the 479th left Knitwitland is that we got sick of the "Win the War and bomb the tool sheds!" mentality that is rampant there. There was only a few Knitwits that just wanted to fight and we looked forward to the days that guys from the BKs or AoM would switch to Knights because we could have someone to fly and fight with.
The "Win the War" mentality is not rampant on the Bishop side of the pond, otherwise the arm chair napoleans wouldn't be whining every night about how we're losing because we're furballing instead. One of the largest Bishop squads left because they could never muster enough support to capture a base.
And from seeing how much time you spent doing attack sorties, sitting in GVs and flying bombers, one would think you're a one of the Tool Shed Warriors.
As for the Rookies...they only skilled ones on that side are the members of the BKs and what is left of the AoMs. Then those guys rotate to other countries for brief tours, the talent pool on the Rookie side dries up.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
I'm started to wonder if you actually believe the B.S. you seem to always spew. I guess you've spewed so much that you've gotten some in your eyes.
It is also obvious that you have little experience flying with the Bishops for any appreciable amount of time. And flying for a few hours as a Bishop hardly counts.
The main reason why the 479th left Knitwitland is that we got sick of the "Win the War and bomb the tool sheds!" mentality that is rampant there. There was only a few Knitwits that just wanted to fight and we looked forward to the days that guys from the BKs or AoM would switch to Knights because we could have someone to fly and fight with.
The "Win the War" mentality is not rampant on the Bishop side of the pond, otherwise the arm chair napoleans wouldn't be whining every night about how we're losing because we're furballing instead. One of the largest Bishop squads left because they could never muster enough support to capture a base.
And from seeing how much time you spent doing attack sorties, sitting in GVs and flying bombers, one would think you're a one of the Tool Shed Warriors.
ack-ack
Amen akak :)
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As for the Rookies...they only skilled ones on that side are the members of the BKs and what is left of the AoMs. Then those guys rotate to other countries for brief tours, the talent pool on the Rookie side dries up.
Huh?! :confused: having been flyin for rooks last few months now, i can tell you, they are not the only talented rooks...hope you dont honestly believe that crap you spewing. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
As for the Rookies...they only skilled ones on that side are the members of the BKs and what is left of the AoMs. Then those guys rotate to other countries for brief tours, the talent pool on the Rookie side dries up.
ack-ack
Thats not true lol... Jish killnu blix still tons more :)
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
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As for the Rookies...they only skilled ones on that side are the members of the BKs and what is left of the AoMs. Then those guys rotate to other countries for brief tours, the talent pool on the Rookie side dries up.
ack-ack [/B]
That's simply not true, the BK's and AoM actually fit right in with Rooks. Rooks have a very deep talent pool. It is becuase of this that the BK's and AoM enjoy flying with Rooks, we think/play similiarly. Those two squads have played for other sides in the past and Rooks have done just fine.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
And from seeing how much time you spent doing attack sorties, sitting in GVs and flying bombers, one would think you're a one of the Tool Shed Warriors.
ack-ack
I scored all my fighter sorties as attack this camp because I had intended on competing in the early war contest we had going. In fact the one 'fighter' sortie I have is in the Spit1. Just because I did my fighter sorties in attack mode does not mean I'm bombing, I actually almost never carry ordnance, my planes climb badly enough as it is. Hehe
As for the Ostwind, I will always use it alot for one reason and one reason only...To make vulching Rooks a very, very, very unpleasant pursuit. To that end I enjoy an incredible amount of success and the appreciation of my teammates.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Rooks have a very deep talent pool.
Zazen
When it comes bombing tool sheds, yes the Rookie talent pool is very deep. Too bad the fighter pool is a tad more shallow.
Someone said earlier that the best fighter fights are between the Bishops and Knights. He's right, at least against the Knights you have a chance of finding a decent or good 1v1. The only thing you'll find on the Rookie side is either a Rookie running or a Rookie hord.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by killnu
Huh?! :confused: having been flyin for rooks last few months now, i can tell you, they are not the only talented rooks...hope you dont honestly believe that crap you spewing. :rolleyes:
Sorry..forgot you 475th guys were Rooks. Present company excluded of course :c)
ack-ack
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Can you switch sides for a night or two without leaving your squad? If not I can just rejoin when i come back but didn't know if it would automatically boot me from the squad.
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As for the Rookies...they only skilled ones on that side are the members of the BKs and what is left of the AoMs. Then those guys rotate to other countries for brief tours, the talent pool on the Rookie side dries up.
You see, basically, this is why you guys aren't welcome anywhere around.
You show up and ridicule whatever other countries you guys are not flying in.
You show up in plane threads and ridicule whatever plane that is not a P-38.
Heck, you show up in squad threads and ridicule whomever that is not in your squad.
After a year of two of experiencing this snotty attitude, it's hardly surprising people aren't exactly applauding your kind around.
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Show me one post were I or any other member of the 479th has gone into a squad thread and ridiculed anyone that wasn't a Raider. I think you're confusing a recent thread that for some lame reason was bashing on the BKs.
As for bashing on planes that aren't a P-38, again that's silly. It's not my fault that a well flown P-38 is a match for any plane in this game.
I am pleased to see though Kweassa, that you didn't feel the need to write a doctoral thesis as your reply.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Show me one post were I or any other member of the 479th has gone into a squad thread and ridiculed anyone that wasn't a Raider. I think you're confusing a recent thread that for some lame reason was bashing on the BKs.
As for bashing on planes that aren't a P-38, again that's silly. It's not my fault that a well flown P-38 is a match for any plane in this game.
I am pleased to see though Kweassa, that you didn't feel the need to write a doctoral thesis as your reply.
ack-ack
Once again wasnt bashing the bks. It was more of towards hub, and the bks jumped in and tried to make it seem that way. If you read the post topic it said Attn: "HUB" Not attn: The bks
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Show me one post were I or any other member of the 479th has gone into a squad thread and ridiculed anyone that wasn't a Raider. I think you're confusing a recent thread that for some lame reason was bashing on the BKs.
As for bashing on planes that aren't a P-38, again that's silly. It's not my fault that a well flown P-38 is a match for any plane in this game.
I am pleased to see though Kweassa, that you didn't feel the need to write a doctoral thesis as your reply.
I don't need to show you squat.
The people in the boards aren't stupid or blind - every time a thread with pilot, country, or plane comment come up, you will be there to go crap on it - and that's a guarantee.
I'll tell you this, though.
You are "legendary" among AHers, both Bishops and Rooks alike, and not all of it is associated with your flying skills.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
I don't need to show you squat.
That's because your bluff got called and you had a crappy hand. You should have folded earlier.
The people in the boards aren't stupid or blind - every time a thread with pilot, country, or plane comment come up, you will be there to go crap on it - and that's a guarantee. [/b]
Kettle meet pot...pot meet kettle. Everytime anyone mentions the P-38 in any thread, you grow rabid and post rambling dissertations railing against the P-38. Every heard of the word Hypocrit? Fits you like a glove.
I'll tell you this, though.
You are "legendary" among AHers, both Bishops and Rooks alike, and not all of it is associated with your flying skills. [/B]
With the exception of a few the few that *****ed when the 479th moved to Bishoplandia, we've had a great welcome. Even those that I had regularly fought when I was a Knight welcomed me with open arms and I've gotten to know them quite well and fly with my former foes quite often. So I really don't think the Bishops hate me that much and have repeatedly asked that me and the 479th not to switch countries.
As for what the Rookies think about me or the 479th? Do you think I or anyone in the 479th really cares what a group of Rookies think? Maybe most of the Rookies should care less about me and the 479th and maybe use that energy to get better so they wouldn't whine when they get smoked by a Raider.
ack-ack
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Bish are just (or mostly) interested in land grabbing? Rooks and Knits are more interested in fighting?
How is it that Bish get reset if Rooks and Knits aren't land grabbing?
I can't wait unitl we get subs in this game, I want to see if certain rooks will install screen doors then and try to convince everyone that it's a good idea.
We're all a bunch of guys n gals sitting in front of computers with a stick in our hand, let's try to stop making more of it than what it is.
Personalites and game play doesn't change with the icon you fly under.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
When it comes bombing tool sheds, yes the Rookie talent pool is very deep. Too bad the fighter pool is a tad more shallow.
Someone said earlier that the best fighter fights are between the Bishops and Knights. He's right, at least against the Knights you have a chance of finding a decent or good 1v1. The only thing you'll find on the Rookie side is either a Rookie running or a Rookie hord.
ack-ack
I guess that's why Rooks have consistantly outkilled Bishops by 30% on average since beta, and Bishops have out-died Rooks by 30% since beta regardless of relative numerical disparities...Facts just don't support your BS AKAK, sorry..
Zazen
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When the other side opposing you out numbers the defenders 3-1, sure it's easy to roll things up.
Last night at A18, due to the low Bishop numbers we could only muster 2-3 defend a base being attacked by 15+. Sure, those 15 got a lot of kills, it would be hard not to when you can put 3-4 guys on every defender. Come to think of it though, the 2-3 defenders at A18 did manage to hold onto the base despite the overwhelming odds stacked against them. Hmmm...mighty Rookies...
ack-ack
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Originally posted by parker00
Can you switch sides for a night or two without leaving your squad? If not I can just rejoin when i come back but didn't know if it would automatically boot me from the squad.
Parker, you can change sides every 6 hours or so, without having to leave or disband a squad.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
As for the Rookies...they only skilled ones on that side are the members of the BKs and what is left of the AoMs. Then those guys rotate to other countries for brief tours, the talent pool on the Rookie side dries up.
ack-ack
oh really? Just the BKs eh?
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
As for the Rookies...they only skilled ones on that side are the members of the BKs and what is left of the AoMs. Then those guys rotate to other countries for brief tours, the talent pool on the Rookie side dries up.
lol you're a funny guy ack ack. I know sooo many rooks that would embarress you that aren't BKs or AoM.
Thanks for playing....
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Are you *supresses laughter* one of them?
ack-ack
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New bish tactics!
:D
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I am pleased to see though Kweassa, that you didn't feel the need to write a doctoral thesis as your reply.
Teeeheee
QUAH!!!
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Originally posted by megadud
lol you're a funny guy ack ack. I know sooo many rooks that would embarress you that aren't BKs or AoM.
Thanks for playing....
Sure wouldnt be you!:aok :rofl
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All this over a game? :rolleyes:
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Back then rooks where the under manned ones. Now look haha:p
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Are you *supresses laughter* one of them?
no not me i am terrible but i know some, and Jet... well.... you're just not worth the arguement...
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Originally posted by SkyChimp
Back then rooks where the under manned ones. Now look haha:p
This is the very reason that we should not be arguing over this matter. The numbers cycle. Sides will be imbalanced. When this happens there needs to be a fix. Not just for the bish today, but for all sides tomorrow.
There was a fix before, the ENY limit. It worked great! Then the moans and whines about I cant fly my plane. So the ENY limiter was changed, now we are right back to where we started.
Adjust the limiter back, or to a more acceptable level. Problem solved.
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Cant the cycle just be left to run its course like it did in the past?
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Been a Bishop since I started playing.
I have no "allegiance" to the country, but I have a group of mates from the squads I have flown with over the years and the banter that you get on squad/local/country makes the game for me.
I certainly have no problem with anyone changing sides, why should I, it is after all a game, played for fun.
I have, let's say, a formidable adversary, Javis7, who I regularly battle with, sometimes I lose, sometimes I win. I regularly ask him to come across and join the squad, if only for a day/week/tour!
Its said in jest on 200 whenever we "clash", but hey he'd be welcome anytime.
Another friend LYNX recently changed over, fair play, won't stop me having banter with him on 200, nor will it cause me to throw accusations at him for doing so.
Its your money, your game, your play.
Play the game your way.
It's about having fun after all!
Smiggs.
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I think its funny that the people making fun of the bishops are rooks and knights, its like beating up a kid in a wheel chair and then making fun of him... If the #'s were even close to balanced then you could talk all the crap you want to, but the way it is now is that we constantly have 20-30% less people on than you do, that means everybody has to spread out and play defense all night, we don't have time to landgrab, if we put a mission together, theres only 10-15 people left to defend the board... I've read allot of posts that say the bish are wussies, cant fly whatever... who's the real wuss, the guy that flys outnumbered and knows they will not win the war, or the guy that flys in hordes and missions only then gets on the BBS and talks crap about beating up on an outnumbered over stretched country... Heres an idea, why don't some of you crap talking rooks and knights come over and fly bish... oh wait your precious k/d ratio might go down because we don't fly in groups of 10 at 20K... The only reason the 479th is bish is because they are the underdogs, we figure we're good enough pilots we can go fly for the undermanned side... instead of adding to the hordes in knitwit land or for the rookies...
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Heres an idea, why don't some of you crap talking rooks and knights come over and fly bish...
been there, done that and got the Tshirt...but I dont feel like dealing with the crap that some spew, so i am back rooks...it amazes me, "come fly bish" so i go fly bish, "what you doing here? arent you a rook? go back to where you came from"
whatever. call it what you want, but i dont feel like dealing with that crap.
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your kidding me.. someone gave u crap for joining the bish.... who was it so we can bish slap them lol
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I spoke of this in the MA one night, I will re-iterate it here. Each country has a particular 'feel'. That 'feel' is largely determined by the character, playstyle and personality of the individuals that comprise that country regularly. It has been since I've played AH and continues to be Bishland's first priority to take fields. Taking fields is paramount even at the expense of fun, fights and surviving. While this may be attractive to some people, especially buffers , GV'ers and pork n' auger types it is not attractive to your upper echelon fighters jocks and new players who really just want to fight air to air and could care less about the land-grab game.
Compound this land-grab-centric playstyle with some weird pre-pubescent ostrasization of anyone and everyone who attempts to join Bish to help out and you have a recipe for disaster. There are two things Bish can do collectively to remedy the situation.
1) Stop being salamanders, stop accusing everyone of being spies who decides to switch from their regular country to help you for an evening. Take is from someone who fights you all the time, you need all the help you can get, especially in the fighter pilot dept.
2) Here's your new mantra, live by it, breathe by it, tatoo it onto your forheads and your numbers probelm will soon be rectified...
"Fly for the fights not for the fields!"
The single biggest distinction between the Rooks, Knights and Bishops is quite succinctly this...Rooks and Knights preceive and treat the land-grab aspect of AH as the superfluous back-drop to the far more important air to air combat aspect. Bishops treat and perceive air to air combat as the superfluous back-drop to the far more important land-grab game. This may seem like a subtle difference but it has profound implications from individual egagements with and for Bishops all the way up to the entire war itself and how it plays out and 'feels'. People like myself who have played these games for well over a decade are privvy to these subtle nuances and are affected by them and make our playtime decisions largely based on them.
The incredible irony for Bishops is that they are so land-grab-centric and have such a reluctance and/or disdain for actual air to air combat that they lack the skills necessary to hold onto their precious land. So, in a very real way, in a funny twist of logic, if Bishops collectively decide to become more fight-centric like Rooks and Knits they will actually become better at holding and keeping their land and as an ancillary benefit their numbers and quality will improve proportionately.
Zazen
Thank you for your input, zazen. Your "play the game my way" monologue is dismissed as irrelevant. And that wall-o-text about how rooks and nits aren't interested in the "land grab" aspects of the game is deluded or disingenouous.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
As for the Rookies...they only skilled ones on that side are the members of the BKs and what is left of the AoMs. Then those guys rotate to other countries for brief tours, the talent pool on the Rookie side dries up.
ack-ack
Thats not true. I'm really talented at getting kill by you:cool:
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If I was Fatty, I would post some porn in this thread, because it sure as hell is ghey without it.
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We don't need to see Fatty's collection of gay porn.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
We don't need to see Fatty's collection of gay porn.
ack-ack
It's funny that you said "need" and not "want". Just how extensive is your collection?
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This is a shoe-in for the top ten best threads of all time... :rolleyes:
Although I must admit this:
Originally posted by Ack-Ack
I am pleased to see though Kweassa, that you didn't feel the need to write a doctoral thesis as your reply.
made it worth reading. Now I must clean my monitor..... again.
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Originally posted by Kermit de frog
Well cooley, the statement did come from morph, and we all know how he acts in the Game and BBS.
:rolleyes:
But to stick to the subject, numbers will never be perfect. Have fun fighting and to the bish squads.
Hows that? Free to say and do what I want? Dam, better sue me.
I have got news for you people... Bishops namely. The masses of squads who care only about taking bases. You know who you are. I need not point the finger... The crap gets old. There is no challenge in hording over a base, with bombs, GV's or what have you. Flattening everything and dropping troops. More and more players are seeing that its actually fun to take a fighter up and attempt to fight.
9 times out of 10, i'll see some arm chair general in bishland screaming holly hell because he seens a bunch of guys in fighters fighting, not over a base, but fighting just for the hell of it. "They're wasting time, resources...", all of which could be better used to take the base he is after. Guess what... Listening to that crap gets old too. So players and squads alike move on. I did long ago, and took everyone I could with me. First to the rooks, then to the Knights. Now I go where I see the best fights occuring. This is common for many.
So you want to take bases with the masses and try to force the rest to do as you wish? Fine, but you're going to be out numbered by the rest of the MA.
So tell me Kermit. Did I hurt your little feelings there as well?
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9 times out of 10, i'll see some arm chair general in bishland screaming holly hell because he seens a bunch of guys in fighters fighting, not over a base, but fighting just for the hell of it. "They're wasting time, resources...", all of which could be better used to take the base he is after. Guess what... Listening to that crap gets old too.
Amen Morpheus... I am a bish and to be honest don't care about winning the war or taking bases, I'm just looking for a good dogfight... Now if I can help them take a base by pulling fighter sweeps or something like that then I will. Mostly I'm just pullin base defense, But other than that I'm just looking for a good fight. And then some yahoo comes on country channel saying exactly what u just said, night after night its the same guy, and you know who you are lol. I hate that crap. Every night its common bish this is why we lose, or this is why we suck, or this is why we get reset, whine whine whine... Its not just the bish either, all country's have there armchair generals. We can also add the Mission guy to that category to. omg heaven forbid someone put up a mission and everybody not stop what there doing and join... they'll gripe about that for hours
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Originally posted by megadud
no not me i am terrible but i know some, and Jet... well.... you're just not worth the arguement...
:lol whats wrong megadud cant handle a good argument nowadays? You were once the argument king on mrhead CPID, now your like Peace king on megadud hehe
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Is there a way to do the following? I looked around in the settings, and it didn't seem so, but I could have missed something.
It would be interesting for different countries to have different icon colors as enemies in the air. That way, you could leave the underdog alone in areas that have a mix of planes from different countries. We used to do that from time to time in Air Warrior, and sometimes (if things were very lopsided) have truces so that A and C could take on B (or whoever was the most-populated country at the time). AH has too many players for truces to work, probably, but still it would be nice to be able to differentiate.
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Originally posted by jetb123
:lol whats wrong megadud cant handle a good argument nowadays? You were once the argument king on mrhead CPID, now your like Peace king on megadud hehe
i'm always up for a good arguement but this isn't about argueing. basically you're saying i suck. I'll fight ya sometime and that will be all the arguement neccassary. ack ack can come too :)
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Maybe its just the times I fly but haven't seen anyone accused of being a spy after changing to Bish,,,,yet.
In fact a couple of Knits came over recently and got a nice warm welcome, they were surprised to find out just how cheap perky stuff was. Think at the time 262's were just under 100 perks, Tempests under 20.
As fo K/D ratios - Very easy to get a nice high K/D ratio if you have 80+ players more than the side your attacking. Especailly true when the third side is also almost exclusively hitting the lowest numbered side also.
I think none of the stats show how good a pilot is, they can all be manipulated.
In fact considering how outnumbered we are, the Bish have done a great job surviving on the current map.
A24 a few nights ago was just wave after wave of Knits, don't know how but we held it.
Although we had to perk the bulldozer it was getting so much overuse from pushing KnitBits off the field.
Same goes for P32 and A35 last night.
Lot of fun, and although intially the Bish were slow to react we finally got enough there to hold them off again.
As for the furballers comment - Don't think anyone has problems with any 'style' of gameplay. Just always wondered how you never seem to see them at the really big furballs.
As for Zazen - Well Zazen is just Zazen, same dribble on CH200 every night.
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no i think all enemies show up 1 color in the air, and on dar, i think there base icons are the only thing that actually change color, other than that there all red in the air ;)
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Think the Bish are in a vicious circle at the moment -
1) Newbs are automatically allocated to Bish.
2) Newbs find us outnumbered all the time.
3) Newb gets shot down a hell of the lot of the time.
4) Newb changes to other country with better numbers.
5) Newb 2 comes along, other country now +1 more, go back to 2)
To all the newbs who have stuck with us Bish
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Originally posted by Brooke
Is there a way to do the following? I looked around in the settings, and it didn't seem so, but I could have missed something.
It would be interesting for different countries to have different icon colors as enemies in the air. That way, you could leave the underdog alone in areas that have a mix of planes from different countries. We used to do that from time to time in Air Warrior, and sometimes (if things were very lopsided) have truces so that A and C could take on B (or whoever was the most-populated country at the time). AH has too many players for truces to work, probably, but still it would be nice to be able to differentiate.
It's almost like how it was in AW where you were able to set each country with its own color. In AH you can only do that on the clipboard map.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Maybe its just the times I fly but haven't seen anyone accused of being a spy after changing to Bish,,,,yet.
It pretty much has stopped since one of the bigger tool shed warrior squads in Bishland broke up and reformed in Knitwitland. Those were the guys that were the most vocal on calling people spies that just recently switched to Bishops. Frankly, since that squad left, the Bishops has become more fighter centric as of late.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Parker, you can change sides every 6 hours or so, without having to leave or disband a squad.
Thanks!!!
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Originally posted by Morpheus
Hows that? Free to say and do what I want? Dam, better sue me.
I have got news for you people... Bishops namely. The masses of squads who care only about taking bases. You know who you are. I need not point the finger... The crap gets old. There is no challenge in hording over a base, with bombs, GV's or what have you. Flattening everything and dropping troops. More and more players are seeing that its actually fun to take a fighter up and attempt to fight.
9 times out of 10, i'll see some arm chair general in bishland screaming holly hell because he seens a bunch of guys in fighters fighting, not over a base, but fighting just for the hell of it. "They're wasting time, resources...", all of which could be better used to take the base he is after. Guess what... Listening to that crap gets old too. So players and squads alike move on. I did long ago, and took everyone I could with me. First to the rooks, then to the Knights. Now I go where I see the best fights occuring. This is common for many.
So you want to take bases with the masses and try to force the rest to do as you wish? Fine, but you're going to be out numbered by the rest of the MA.
So tell me Kermit. Did I hurt your little feelings there as well?
Precisely, very well said Morph.
Zazen
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Two fights, one was 5 on one, one was 7 on 1. This bishops playing WoW tonight.
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Ack-Ack
you never told me you were a legend. now i'll have to get out the gold plated knee pads.
JT
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Bish were up a bit tonight.I dont see the numbers wine as anything more than Im getting shot down frustration.I just drop back a base and rab a bit.Im no ace,but I kill more than I die.
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You guys get too worked up over this game :) If someone yells at you saying go back to where you came from for side switching and what not I would just ignore them and play. Don't let them ruin your fun just because they are too ignorant to understand the point of the game :) .