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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Gryffin on August 02, 2005, 12:04:54 PM
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According to the HTC homepage, there are new perk and eny values for tour 67. Can someone please post what the changes are? I can't check since I am at work.
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at work too.....................c'mon someone throw us a bone
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Very cool changes :aok
From just a quick glance, the Ta152's price has gone down very much (It was 5 points w/ a perk multiplyer of 1.09 or so, not sure what that makes the base one).
Also, the Spit14 and F4U4 have gone down tremendously. The Spit14 I think was at 14-15 and the F4U4 was @ 19ish under the same multiplyer. The Tempest stays in the 50's range.
Also, it appears that the Spit5 now has a lower rating then the Spit9, which I have to say seems proper.
I didn't notice any other changes but could have easily overlooked something I'm not familiar with.
Looks like I'll have to learn that F4U4 now :)
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LOL the Seafire Mk2 is one point higher than the P51D.....seems kind of odd ;)
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Wrong -
Seafire and Spit 5 now rated = to a Pony, wrong? Its ludicrous.
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Rog, thought the Pony was at 5 ;)
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Spit 14 only costs 15?
Excellent. *tent fingers*
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Wrong -
Seafire and Spit 5 now rated = to a Pony, wrong? Its ludicrous.
It isn't based on any particular performance numbers, just on usage. HTC allows the players to determine where the true overall performance advantage rests. ENY values just follow the resulting usage.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Wrong -
Seafire and Spit 5 now rated = to a Pony, wrong? Its ludicrous.
Each can be very difficult to shoot down at times, although in different ways. Each can be very easy to fly at times, again, each in different ways.
The different ways not necessarily demanding different ENY values.
And before it's brought up - who cares what year each came out in... All that matters is how difficult/easy it is to kill/fly them in the MA.
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Originally posted by Vudak
Very cool changes :aok
From just a quick glance, the Ta152's price has gone down very much (It was 5 points w/ a perk multiplyer of 1.09 or so, not sure what that makes the base one).
Also, the Spit14 and F4U4 have gone down tremendously. The Spit14 I think was at 14-15 and the F4U4 was @ 19ish under the same multiplyer. The Tempest stays in the 50's range.
Also, it appears that the Spit5 now has a lower rating then the Spit9, which I have to say seems proper.
I didn't notice any other changes but could have easily overlooked something I'm not familiar with.
Looks like I'll have to learn that F4U4 now :)
Oh yeah. The F4U-4 is one sweet ride. Lowered the perk cost eh? :D I know where I'll be when I get home today lol.
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Tempest should be way lower than than it is. The temp is a piece of crap compared to the other planes. 5-10 perks would be more than enough.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Tempest should be way lower than than it is. The temp is a piece of crap compared to the other planes. 5-10 perks would be more than enough.
Usage and K/D disagree, strongly, with you.
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LA7 is the same?
g00b
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La-7 has nowhere lower to go. It is either the same or perked and given the lack of wailing and gnashing of teeth on the forums I'd guess it is the same.
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Originally posted by Karnak
It isn't based on any particular performance numbers, just on usage. HTC allows the players to determine where the true overall performance advantage rests. ENY values just follow the resulting usage.
Only one slight problem with that theory -
Look back at one of the recent threads about perking the La7, HT said he DOESNT monitor plane usage. He monitors deaths and uses that a guide to usage.
For eg if plane (a) kills plane (b) 20 times then plane (b) is adjudged to have more usage than plane (a) because it has 20 deaths. Extreme example granted, but shows the flaw in the logic.
What I would like to see if this is the 'new' way of doing things is that it changes EVERY month.
As it stands an ENV lmit of 10 rules out ALL RAF fighters apart from Hurris. God help the poor RAF fans on the Knit side.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Usage and K/D disagree, strongly, with you.
i think hes joking...tempest is a freakin monster.
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ALL THIS WHINING ABOUT THE LALA AND NO ONE NOTICED IT HAS BEEN PERKED????
:rolleyes: COMON, HOW CAN THE D9 BE FREE? :mad:
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Originally posted by Kev367th
As it stands an ENV lmit of 10 rules out ALL RAF fighters apart from Hurris. God help the poor RAF fans on the Knit side.
What is the Spitfire Mk I's ENY?
What is the Typhoon's ENY? (Lower than 10 I'd not doubt)
What is the Mosquito Mk VI's ENY?
I would not be surprised to see the Spit IX and Spit V drop well below 10 ENY once the new Spit lineup, including the Spit LF.XVI, are added. The reduction of the boost on the Mk V and the introduction of a low altitude Spit that is unperked should drive the usage numbers of the older models way down. If we get lucky and get the Mk VIII as well that'll push it even further.
It will get better.
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Originally posted by dedalos
ALL THIS WHINING ABOUT THE LALA AND NO ONE NOTICED IT HAS BEEN PERKED????
:rolleyes: COMON, HOW CAN THE D9 BE FREE? :mad:
Because it flys like a slightly more aerodynamic pile of doggie doo?
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is the la7 seriously perked this new tour?
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Wait wait, Lala's perked?
I MUST DANCE!
http://dschinghismorrowind.ytmnd.com/
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
The temp is a piece of crap compared to the other planes.
:rofl
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;)
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no, la7 is not perked...but the BKs seem to be netting a few on this thread. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by killnu
no, la7 is not perked...but the BKs seem to be netting a few on this thread. :rolleyes:
You know, I go on a fishing trip 1s every 2 years. YOU HAD TO SPOIL IT? :mad:
:lol
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Originally posted by killnu
no, la7 is not perked...but the BKs seem to be netting a few on this thread. :rolleyes:
how am i supposed to know... i am at work. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Mustaine
how am i supposed to know... i am at work. :rolleyes:
Oh, I don't know, maybe by the lack of frantic screaming of the La-7 drivers on the forum as the La-7 teat is pulled from their mouths.;)
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how am i supposed to know... i am at work.
^what Karnak said.:aok
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Originally posted by Karnak
Oh, I don't know, maybe by the lack of frantic screaming of the La-7 drivers on the forum as the La-7 teat is pulled from their mouths.;)
ROFL, that conjures up a very funny mental image there, how true, how true. I guarentee the day they perk the Lgay7 several Lgay7 ONLY drivers who can ONLY get a kill in an LGAY will commit suicide. We'll have to spend 3 weeks doing nothing but memorial flights for deceased Lgay7 drivers, then Bish will REALLY have a numbers problem to piss n' moan about. This is probably why HTC hasn't done it, he doesn't want to lose the revenue of their 15 bucks a month. "Dead dweebs don't pay"
Zazen
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Originally posted by Karnak
What is the Spitfire Mk I's ENY?
What is the Typhoon's ENY? (Lower than 10 I'd not doubt)
What is the Mosquito Mk VI's ENY?
I would not be surprised to see the Spit IX and Spit V drop well below 10 ENY once the new Spit lineup, including the Spit LF.XVI, are added. The reduction of the boost on the Mk V and the introduction of a low altitude Spit that is unperked should drive the usage numbers of the older models way down. If we get lucky and get the Mk VIII as well that'll push it even further.
It will get better.
Reason I said 10 is the Tiffy is now at 10.
I was counting FIGHTERS only, so that rules out the Mossie, and as for a Spit 1 in the MA your joking I hope.
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Originally posted by Karnak
I would not be surprised to see the Spit IX and Spit V drop well below 10 ENY once the new Spit lineup, including the Spit LF.XVI, are added. The reduction of the boost on the Mk V and the introduction of a low altitude Spit that is unperked should drive the usage numbers of the older models way down. If we get lucky and get the Mk VIII as well that'll push it even further.
Have you seen something I missed? I didn't know that we already knew what (if any) new spit models were coming?
I should probably check the news forum before posting this... But, I'd rather just dweeb it up :cool:
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Dweeb away, check the Aircraft and Vehicles section.
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Here Vudak
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=156716
Oh yeah. DWEEB! :)
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I CAN HEAR THE FUN BEING SUCKED OUT OF AH RIGHT NOW
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TA152 5perks
F4UC 12
SpitXIV 15
F4U4 20
Tempest 50
Tiger 50
ME163 50
AR234 60
ME262 200
THINK that's correct. Was at a 1.01 perk modifier when I got the listing. so give / take a perk, that's correct.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
I was counting FIGHTERS only, so that rules out the Mossie, and as for a Spit 1 in the MA your joking I hope.
I object to that. The Mossie is a fighter, one in which I have been more successful than not.
It isn't the best fighter by any means, but it is a fighter.
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Originally posted by Zazen13
ROFL, that conjures up a very funny mental image there, how true, how true. I guarentee the day they perk the Lgay7 several Lgay7 ONLY drivers who can ONLY get a kill in an LGAY will commit suicide. We'll have to spend 3 weeks doing nothing but memorial flights for deceased Lgay7 drivers, then Bish will REALLY have a numbers problem to piss n' moan about. This is probably why HTC hasn't done it, he doesn't want to lose the revenue of their 15 bucks a month. "Dead dweebs don't pay"
Zazen
Kind of a sad comment. At least they are up there, mixing it up instead of sitting in an osty or field gun like some lamers.
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The new perk values are proof that HTC listens to reason. (Albeit, over a course of a long, long time :D )
I still think F4U-4 and Spit14 should be fully open to competition against La-7s and other super performing free planes as a totally free plane...
...but, I'm satisfied for now. :)
Kudos to HT and Pyro!
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Totally bad idea that they brought the Spit 14 cost that far down.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Totally bad idea that they brought the Spit 14 cost that far down.
Why?
It was seeing next to no use, which means it was way overpriced.
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now thats were the spit 14 should be ..
its not really that uber and takes alot of paitence to fly it correctly .
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Originally posted by SELECTOR
I CAN HEAR THE FUN BEING SUCKED OUT OF AH RIGHT NOW
PHUNSUCKERS suck!!
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
now thats were the spit 14 should be ..
its not really that uber and takes alot of paitence to fly it correctly .
I flew a couple sorties in it tonight. Was closing on another Spit XIV when a ship gunner took me out the first one. Second one I bagged two Tiffies. It is definately more powerful than other Spitfires, but......
Man does it feel heavy. It feel unstable and difficult to control. I have been flying the Ki-84 lately and it is vastly more manueverable and much more stable as well. The Spit XIV is very prone to snap rolls, which are easy to recover from, but there is no sensation of smootly flying a line. It felt like I had to struggle to keep it on the line I wanted at all times.
In many ways the Ki-84 is superior.
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The Ki84 really is the hidden jewel in AH.
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Originally posted by DipStick
Kind of a sad comment. At least they are up there, mixing it up instead of sitting in an osty or field gun like some lamers.
If you call alting to 20k, by-passing 15 cons to dive to deck to make as many vulch passes up and down runway before they get killed 'mixing it up'...well.....they sure are ! :aok
Those kind of people are part of the reason I enjoy getting in Ostwind, to shoot them down. ;)
Zazen
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Good to finally have a change in the perk values although I am still disapointed at the Ta152 being perked and the P47N not.
P47N does everything better at all altitudes pretty much, sure, the Ta152 got 10 minutes of contineus WEP. Not that 5 perks matter much but anyway.
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Originally posted by Grits
The Ki84 really is the hidden jewel in AH.
sshhh:D
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Originally posted by DipStick
Kind of a sad comment. At least they are up there, mixing it up instead of sitting in an osty or field gun like some lamers.
Ha! I needed that this early. I feel better now. Thanks for the humor. :lol
Woof
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ENY values for non-perked planes are based what happened at the previous values. It's like setting a betting line. If something gets a lot of action, the value needs to change to reflect that. It's not based on reputation or historical precedent.
The Spit V was a pretty strong correction and I moved that up a little. The V and Seafire are now sitting at the same level as the IX and I'm curious as to how the stats will look at the end of the month with all those Spits on the same level.
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Originally posted by Grits
The Ki84 really is the hidden jewel in AH.
Yup.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Pyro
The V and Seafire are now sitting at the same level as the IX and I'm curious as to how the stats will look at the end of the month with all those Spits on the same level.
I am interested in seeing this too, I find it hard to believe that people choose a plane to fly based on the eny, unless they are forced to by the eny limiter.
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Originally posted by Gryffin
...unless they are forced to by the eny limiter.
i think that is the point... to vary up the arena. i am curious too as to what plane will be upped when the spit V is disabled.
personally i love the spit V, but there are so many planes, i dont mind it being disabled for a tiny period of time.
i also think there will be more country hopping to fly the plane you want.
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Originally posted by Karnak
I flew a couple sorties in it tonight. Was closing on another Spit XIV when a ship gunner took me out the first one. Second one I bagged two Tiffies. It is definately more powerful than other Spitfires, but......
Man does it feel heavy. It feel unstable and difficult to control. I have been flying the Ki-84 lately and it is vastly more manueverable and much more stable as well. The Spit XIV is very prone to snap rolls, which are easy to recover from, but there is no sensation of smootly flying a line. It felt like I had to struggle to keep it on the line I wanted at all times.
spit 14 is a poorman's 109K-4:D
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i think that is the point... to vary up the arena. i am curious too as to what plane will be upped when the spit V is disabled.
My first choices would be ...
FM2
A6M
F6F
Ki
C205
Yak
P47-D25/11
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Originally posted by SlapShot
My first choices would be ...
FM2
A6M
F6F
Ki
C205
Yak
P47-D25/11
Yup, was gonna say FM2, F6F, and D-11 also, especially the FM2 its a mini-monster.
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especially the FM2 its a mini-monster
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!
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Originally posted by 1K3
spit 14 is a poorman's 109K-4:D
Just wait till you see the difference when the new Spit XIV is using 150 grade fuel and has +21 boost.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Just wait till you see the difference when the new Spit XIV is using 150 grade fuel and has +21 boost.
Don't count your chickens yet. You said Pyro might raise the boost to +21lbs.