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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: JBA on August 02, 2005, 01:52:22 PM
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He's a Democrate but you cannot tell from this add
This guy called the President a SOB
He also said that he disagreed with IRAQ
Now I know he served, thats great, thanks for doing so, but don't hide behind a president you don't like.
Whay can't they just run as who they are, Tell the peolple who you are and let the chips fall.
http://mfile.akamai.com/5020/wmv/rushlimb.download.akamai.com/5020/clips/05/08/080205_hackett_ad.asx
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Don't have time to watch the vid, but I assume you're talking aboug McCain?
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Nah this is the guy in Ohio running for Congress.
He knows he cant get elected on his views in a largely republican county, so he doesnt divulge his views in his campaign ads.
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Well, I know this is just a huge leap of logic, but you could simply check out his web site. It did take me all of three seconds to find it with a Google search, and another twenty seconds to locate and read his position on the war in Iraq.
He could be full of ****, but he seems like a nice departure from blindly playing follow the leader like a mindless drone.
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52% Hackett
48% Schmidt
Go buddy!
Live updates here. (http://www.wcpo.com/news/2005/local/08/02/election_results.html)
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These (http://www.hamilton-co.org/boe/realtimeresults.asp) are better.
It just flipped, 52 Schmidt 48 Hackett
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As of 8:54 CDT, updated results
US HOUSE Ohio 2nd Dist
662 precincts of 753 reporting
JEAN SCHMIDT 49,681 50%
PAUL HACKETT 48,811 50%
Could he actually win??????????
:confused: :confused:
Thank God i live in MN.
I thank this guy for fighting in Iraq, but it doesnt matter if you like Bush or not, calling him an SOB in public is kind of messed up, but thats just me
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Originally posted by EagleEyes
Could he actually win??????????
:confused: :confused:
The district is 70% Republican. The consensus prior to tonight was that if he came within 15 points he woulda still had a great night. This is unreal. Obviously it could go either way, but it's a great result for Hackett no matter what happens.
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That is kind of messed up, and I don't appreciate the comparison. Bush is actually a worthless ****, not an SOB. ;)
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lmao!!:lol :rofl :lol :rofl
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US HOUSE Ohio 2nd Dist
753 precincts of 753 reporting
JEAN SCHMIDT 57,974 52% (W)
PAUL HACKETT 54,401 48%
She wins!
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Over half of the Democrats that hold office in my county have switched parties. Many after they just won election. I consider this a slap in the face to the voters that put them in office.
Of course I should realise they are true politicians and don't give a rat's arse about the people that vote for them. All they are interested in is holding office and not having a real job.
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Originally posted by rpm
Over half of the Democrats that hold office in my county have switched parties. Many after they just won election. I consider this a slap in the face to the voters that put them in office.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Beeeeautiful!!!!
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an 'honest' politician is one that stays 'bought'. Sadly 'successful' politicans are ones that know how to 're-negotiate' their consituent contracts when the tide comes in. And every time the tide comes in.
Local politics are where YOUR vote REALLY counts.. and boy I've seen some real hum-dingers out there... real catfights some times too. ;)
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Our tax collector race was one of those. The incumbant (D) versus 2 members of her staff. One ran as a Dem and the other as Rep.
Vote was split 3 ways pretty even, but the Dem challenger edged out a win then promptly switched parties.
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So nash's liberal democrat lost..... again?
lazs
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This isn't a party switch; it's a liberal masquerading as a republican in a heavily republican district just to win. Did you watch the ad he ran,(http://mfile.akamai.com/5020/wmv/rushlimb.download.akamai.com/5020/clips/05/08/080205_hackett_ad.asx ) with Bush speech as lead in?
The democrats where toting this a watershed election if he won in a republican district it was suppose to be some kind of reformation on Bush. BS, if he ran as a liberal and won that’s one thing but to hide behind Bush is another.
Quote from web site. http://www.raisingkaine.com/blog/?p=584
A Schmidt win of less than five points should be a very serious warning sign for Ohio Republicans that something is very, very wrong, while a Hackett victory would be a devastating blow to
the Ohio GOP.
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Originally posted by JBA
This isn't a party switch; it's a liberal masquerading as a republican in a heavily republican district just to win. Did you watch the ad he ran,(http://mfile.akamai.com/5020/wmv/rushlimb.download.akamai.com/5020/clips/05/08/080205_hackett_ad.asx ) with Bush speech as lead in?
The democrats where toting this a watershed election if he won in a republican district it was suppose to be some kind of reformation on Bush. BS, if he ran as a liberal and won that’s one thing but to hide behind Bush is another.
Quote from web site. http://www.raisingkaine.com/blog/?p=584
A Schmidt win of less than five points should be a very serious warning sign for Ohio Republicans that something is very, very wrong, while a Hackett victory would be a devastating blow to
the Ohio GOP.
Do you think he's a democrate because he disagrees with bush? Are you saying that no republican can bad mouth the president?
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It sounds as if the implication is that politicians are not allowed to disagree with anyone in their party who has been elected to a higher office.
I'd like to know if there's a formal rule about this, or whatnot. I'd like to see an authority tree here. For example, does a Republican City Councilman need to defer to the opinion of the elected Republican Sheriff?
This policy sounds interesting, and I bet it really cuts down that whole annoying 'freedom of speech' thing y'all keep complaining about.
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No he's a Democrat because he's a Democrat.
http://www.hackettforcongress.com/
But he would have lost by far greater the 4000 votes if he ran as one.
The point is Like Kerry, as Hillary will have to do, they have to move right to run. They will not run as the liberals that the are. They rap themselves in the flag and then bad mouth the military.
There has been two Democrat Presidents since 1969. Perhaps there is reason for this?
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He is also an Iraq war veteran, and will be returning to Iraq soon with his unit for another tour. He would have been the first Iraq war veteran in Congress.
Maj. Hackett is entitled to his views on the Iraq war imho. He has been there after all.
He got 48% in a congressional district that went for dear leader 64% in 2004. The times they are a 'changin.
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Originally posted by JBA
The point is Like Kerry, as Hillary will have to do, they have to move right to run. They will not run as the liberals that the are. They rap themselves in the flag and then bad mouth the military.
Wait a minute..........
The guy served in Iraq, and is talking about re-upping if he lost. But LIBERALS WRAP THEMSELVES IN THE FLAG? It is sentiment like this that has torn our Country in two. Patriots come in all shapes and sizes and party affiliations and until people realize that, they are nothing but cattle following Rush Limbaugh or Al Franken to the koolaide trough.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Wait a minute..........
The guy served in Iraq, and is talking about re-upping if he lost. But LIBERALS WRAP THEMSELVES IN THE FLAG? It is sentiment like this that has torn our Country in two. Patriots come in all shapes and sizes and party affiliations and until people realize that, they are nothing but cattle following Rush Limbaugh or Al Franken to the koolaide trough.
while I don't agree with him I think he was referring to Hillary not Maj. Hacket
A Schmidt win of less than five points should be a very serious warning sign for Ohio Republicans that something is very, very wrong, while a Hackett victory would be a devastating blow to
I read this today too. The Dems. are trying to tout ANYTHING as good news to them mainly cause they need it. Even if they lose they win.
Let's face it the guy was a war vet in a mostly republican district and he lost. This is no victory for the liberals this is a loss. This guy was yet another political human sacrifice (wich both parties do way too often)
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I think he was floated as test balloon for future Democrats (insert Hillary) whom want to run right of center in Republican areas.
I think he would have made a great Republican representative, and probably would have beating Schmidt had he done so.
He's got a hell of a CV
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hackett
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Originally posted by JBA
I think he was floated as test balloon for future Democrats (insert Hillary) whom want to run right of center in Republican areas.
I think he would have made a great Republican representative, and probably would have beating Schmidt had he done so.
He's got a hell of a CV
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hackett
It also sounds like they are trying to spin this as an anti-bush thing. When will they learn? ABB didn't work for Kerry and it's not going to work in 06. They definatly need to come up with some type of "platform" for 08 because ABB wont work if Bush isn't running.
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and here's an editoral from another Point of view
"Call the President an "SOB," Win Votes"
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0803-24.htm
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Heh, Democrats have to run right. Whatever, the Republicans have taken over the leftist policies of the Democrats, big socialist government anyone?
The Democrats are merely trying to reclaim it.
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Originally posted by JBA
There has been two Democrat Presidents since 1969. Perhaps there is reason for this?
Are you counting Ronald Reagan, who was a Democrat before he switched?
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Originally posted by myelo
Are you counting Ronald Reagan, who was a Democrat before he switched?
Goodness, sure seems like an awkward silence after that last question, Myelo.
Is this thing on? You guys still here?
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I imagine his time spent on the bloody streets of Fallujah prepared him well for domestic politics :)
He's the type of no-nonsense candidate the Democrats need to field. They are so whiney and wishy washy with, as Gunslinger pointed out, no platform I could see last time around.
And, Lazs, he's pro 2nd ammendment :) Only lost the NRA endorsement because Schmidt had a proven record in office Vs. his stated goals. He's a collector, hunter and CCW guy. Around here, I have to worry about the Republicans almost as much as the Democrats where gun ownersip is concerned. More Middle Class Soccer Moms than Good Ol' Boys so the Republicans bend with the wind.
Charon
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Originally posted by Manedew
and here's an editoral from another Point of view
"Call the President an "SOB," Win Votes"
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0803-24.htm
yea great article :rolleyes:
Hackett might well have pulled the ultimate upset had he not been "swiftboated" by Republican operatives and right-wing talk radio hosts in the final days of the campaign. Even nationally-syndicated hosts such as Rush Limbaugh devoted time to attacking Hackett's military record, patriotism and sincerity.
Despite the battering from right-wing media, and despite being overwhelmingly outspent, Hackett achieved the best Democratic showing in the region since the Watergate election of 1974. Indeed, on Wednesday morning, the Enquirer referred to the Democrat's showing as "nothing short of astounding."
yet not a single quote??????
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Are you sure you understand the diffrance between article and editoral?
And you vote for the Man's platform .... not the parties....
Like republican's always vote or run with a strick 'party' platform..... maybe the neocons do..... but some isn't all.
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Originally posted by Manedew
Are you sure you understand the diffrance between article and editoral?
And you vote for the Man's platform .... not the parties....
Like republican's always vote or run with a strick 'party' platform..... maybe the neocons do..... but some isn't all.
yes an article is usually news based on fact an editorial is an opinion.
In this particular opinion the author decides to bring up the Republican "machine" with out any quotes. I didn't even ask for sources just a quote of what he's talking about because I havn't heard it.
To say this guy got "swiftboated" is is reaching.
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by useing that term you agree to it's definition I presume?
Just business as usual for republican's .... hardly needs a qoute, if you understand what 'swiftboating' means.
Lets have some quotes from your side?
This whole thread was started by an opinion. I didn't see the case proved that he ran a bait and switch campagin.
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Originally posted by Manedew
by useing that term you agree to it's definition I presume?
Just business as usual for republican's .... hardly needs a qoute, if you understand what 'swiftboating' means.
Lets have some quotes from your side?
This whole thread was started by an opinion. I didn't see the case proved that he ran a bait and switch campagin.
eactly let's have some quotes from my side. I want to know what Rush and the Republican machine said about this guy to smear his military record thus "swiftboating" him. This guy could have been the greatest Marine in history and have excelent potential in politics but when he aligns himself with the liberal party he is going to lose simply because liberals do not have an agenda other than beating the republicans. I say all this based on the responses from the democrats about his loss saying this was a test about beating Bush. Wake up liberals its not ABB.
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Mane whats with you and this communist dreams website?
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Originally posted by myelo
Are you counting Ronald Reagan, who was a Democrat before he switched?
Ran as And elected As a REPUBLICAN.
Case closed, next
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Originally posted by JBA
Ran as And elected As a REPUBLICAN.
Case closed, next
You gotta cut the Dems some slack, all they have these days is "close."
:rofl
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Originally posted by Manedew
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0803-24.htm
...Calling the president the greatest threat to the safety and security of Americans....
Way to go marine: that would be “Commander and chief” threat to you.
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Originally posted by JBA
...Calling the president the greatest threat to the safety and security of Americans....
Way to go marine: that would be “Commander and chief” threat to you.
that's actually a chargable offense because of the fact he's an officer. I knew of several zeros that went down during the whole clinton thing because they badmouthed him in editorials.
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myelo... I was a democrat 35 years ago.. the democrats were a different party 35 years ago than they are today. They didn't want to be anyones mommy and they weren't so overtly socialist... we all thought LBJ was a rogue democrat then we relalized... the socialists and women had taken over the party.. It has just gotten worse.
but... lots of democrats wake up and become republicans... how many republicans become democrats?
charon.. It is good that he is a gun guy with pro U.S. constitution leanings... I would vote for him as a last resort... say if the only other candidates were democrats... but.. I don't trust him... he would still vote like a democrat and that is all that matters... he would line up with ted kennedy and finestein and all the other socialist freaks when push came to shove.
All politicians are gutless... they vote like sheep in lockstep with what will do their career in their party the most good.. that is why you have to allways choose a republican over a democrat.
you have to look at the leaders of each party and see what it is that they want...or ,,ore accurately... who they owe or who owns them and just figure that all the others in the party are just minions.
lazs
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Both candidates for Texas Governor are rehabilitated Democrats running as republicans. See, until recently, and for 100+ years, no Republican could be elected to statewide office, had something to do with Abraham Lincoln being one I'm pretty sure.
Nowadays, it is just the opposite, if you are a Democrat you cannot win a statewide election, so they all register and run as Republicans. Of course once in orrifice (the taxpayer's to be specific) they spend like TPT that just won the lottery.