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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: FTSnafu on August 03, 2005, 01:44:26 PM
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t's not really fair that fighter jock get there kill on the buffer but us BUFF pilots get nada after a killer bombing run.
It would be nice to get the credit for a job well done.
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Originally posted by FTSnafu
It would be nice to get the credit for a job well done.
(http://twiggs.org/images/5203-bakery-crisp-chocolate-chip-cookie.jpg)
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I actually do agree with him. Though, it would be hard to guage for what to credit upon landing.
I.E. Punishr knocked down 200 buildings.
or
Punishr knocked down 4 hangars.
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or, system: storch ruined the fun on furball island in a B5N of aerial pinheads. :D
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id have to agree with you guys, a couple of times i would up a lanc and go up to 20-23k, one long butt flight. Grab 16 1kers and take down ALL nme vhs on a large tank town map. knocking down 21 or so vhs from 20k is a pretty good job if you ask me.
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Originally posted by storch
or, system: storch ruined the fun on furball island in a B5N of aerial pinheads. :D
Even better storch comes into abase at 10000k, and sees a low plane, and gets pwnzeeed then whines on channel 200 for 5 hour......;)
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Originally posted by FTSnafu
t's not really fair that fighter jock get there kill on the buffer but us BUFF pilots get nada after a killer bombing run.
It would be nice to get the credit for a job well done.
What do you have in mind?
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good idea snafu, but I believe it was nice knowin ya on this thread. gettin out off the way I hear the furballers comin.:rolleyes:
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From what I understand bombers DO get some reward. Points. And perk points.
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***INCOMMING!****
:lol :lol
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Something like what was said before "Pong1 destroy two FH" or "Pong1 destroyed 60% of field A23". Something like that would be nice. While were on the subject, what about a attaboy for someone who sucessfuly leads a bombing raid? Or creates and leads a sucessful Bombing mission?
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He's right. After long and tiring flights caused by milk running undefended bases and smiting the tool sheds that were the target of their ire, the bomber pilots should receive some recognition for their prowess at blowing up buildings from 25,000ft or using a formation of Lancasters as dive bombers.
As the saying does, "Fighter pilots make movies, bomber pilots make history" so to recognize their efforts, a I think it's only fitting they do get some type of recognition.
So I propose for those bombers that have shown significant skill and determination to seek that that undefended base and bomb the vile tool sheds to oblivion should be eligible for a special reward. It can't be just any special reward either like those system messages those "fighter jocks" get, no, it must be far more than that. They need their own flag to mount on their planes, to let the others know that "there is an elite bomber pilot in this plane." A flag they can wave proudly to show that they're "Loud, bombers and here." and I can think of no better flag than this.
The Official Tool Shed Warrior's Rainbow Flag of Elite Excellence in the field of Milkrunning and Tool Shed Destruction.
(http://www.elmhurst.edu/~sage/flag-rainbow.JPG)
This way it will inspire the bombers to achieve greater heights as they keep reaching for that rainbow.
Ack-Ack
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I smell a troll ^
Yea we get perks...about 2 for taking down 7 vhs. And have to use perks on ar234.
I like the idea of having buffer say
System: So and So successfully landed 3 FH killes in a B-17 of so and so squad.
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
Yea we get perks...about 2 for taking down 7 vhs. And have to use perks on ar234.
I like the idea of having buffer say
System: So and So successfully landed 3 FH killes in a B-17 of so and so squad.
What would happen if they took otu alot of stuff. the whole thing would get clogged and smushed, and look ugly.
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i am all for the idea if they have to tune to a special channel to see these messages, keep the 'SYSTEM:' messages for people who can land real kills.
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Originally posted by Furball
i am all for the idea if they have to tune to a special channel to see these messages, keep the 'SYSTEM:' messages for people who can land real kills.
Then I guess gv kills should be taken off.
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Originally posted by Pyro
What do you have in mind?
I was thinking something like this...
SYSTEM: FTsnafu bombed 13 buildings which were incapable of defending themselves.
Guess I shouldn't have stopped for lunch while typing my reply. I nearly choked on my fish n chips reading AkAk's reply. :aok
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the scoring system is messed up with bombers says i had 5 kills when i know i just landed 12 hehe. Yes it says it days after too:eek:
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Originally posted by SkyChimp
the scoring system is messed up with bombers says i had 5 kills when i know i just landed 12 hehe. Yes it says it days after too:eek:
that is because when sortied as "bomber" any GV kills don't count. those count as "missed" bombs because they did not hit a structure.
bomber "kills" only count air-air kills
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Bombers do get credit for kills when they land. Be it fighters or GVs. To try to post everything they hit would look ugly. Perhaps
"SYSTEM: FiLtH successfully landed 3 kills and had 40% bombing efficiency"
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What type of "reward" are you looking for? You get the same as everyone else( player killed X amount of bad guys). As for the toolshed hero bashing, Ack and hub pretty much expressed my feelings. Nothing like a good fight being broken up b/c we gotta capture tha base:rolleyes:
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And there it is...:rolleyes:
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Akak, you owe my employer a new monitor, as I just snorted coffee all over it after reading you post:rofl
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Originally posted by EagleEyes
id have to agree with you guys, a couple of times i would up a lanc and go up to 20-23k, one long butt flight. Grab 16 1kers and take down ALL nme vhs on a large tank town map. knocking down 21 or so vhs from 20k is a pretty good job if you ask me.
Yeah beautiful ... here ya go:
SYSTEM: Bomber Griefer dude wrecked all the fun for the GV dudez ... WTFG ... u @re 1337 !!!
You should get minus perk points for bombing VHs at Tank Town.
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Originally posted by Mustaine
that is because when sortied as "bomber" any GV kills don't count. those count as "missed" bombs because they did not hit a structure.
bomber "kills" only count air-air kills
But i never bomb gvs:p
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
He's right. After long and tiring flights caused by milk running undefended bases and smiting the tool sheds that were the target of their ire, the bomber pilots should receive some recognition for their prowess at blowing up buildings from 25,000ft or using a formation of Lancasters as dive bombers.
As the saying does, "Fighter pilots make movies, bomber pilots make history" so to recognize their efforts, a I think it's only fitting they do get some type of recognition.
So I propose for those bombers that have shown significant skill and determination to seek that that undefended base and bomb the vile tool sheds to oblivion should be eligible for a special reward. It can't be just any special reward either like those system messages those "fighter jocks" get, no, it must be far more than that. They need their own flag to mount on their planes, to let the others know that "there is an elite bomber pilot in this plane." A flag they can wave proudly to show that they're "Loud, bombers and here." and I can think of no better flag than this.
The Official Tool Shed Warrior's Rainbow Flag of Elite Excellence in the field of Milkrunning and Tool Shed Destruction.
(http://www.elmhurst.edu/~sage/flag-rainbow.JPG)
This way it will inspire the bombers to achieve greater heights as they keep reaching for that rainbow.
Ack-Ack
:lol
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Bring back calibrated bombing and buffs that wont release unless certain speeds, altitudes, and aoa are met and let them have there building bashing rewards..than we will know who toolshedders are and target them..seems fair to me
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Originally posted by EagleEyes
Grab 16 1kers and take down ALL nme vhs on a large tank town map. knocking down 21 or so vhs from 20k is a pretty good job if you ask me.
Might as well be flying an FA-18. Your speed is slower but the bombing accuracy is on par...or better than, guided munitions on single structures. :rolleyes:
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Buff bashing is lame.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
He's right. After long and tiring flights caused by milk running undefended bases and smiting the tool sheds that were the target of their ire, the bomber pilots should receive some recognition for their prowess at blowing up buildings from 25,000ft or using a formation of Lancasters as dive bombers.
As the saying does, "Fighter pilots make movies, bomber pilots make history" so to recognize their efforts, a I think it's only fitting they do get some type of recognition.
So I propose for those bombers that have shown significant skill and determination to seek that that undefended base and bomb the vile tool sheds to oblivion should be eligible for a special reward. It can't be just any special reward either like those system messages those "fighter jocks" get, no, it must be far more than that. They need their own flag to mount on their planes, to let the others know that "there is an elite bomber pilot in this plane." A flag they can wave proudly to show that they're "Loud, bombers and here." and I can think of no better flag than this.
The Official Tool Shed Warrior's Rainbow Flag of Elite Excellence in the field of Milkrunning and Tool Shed Destruction.
(http://www.elmhurst.edu/~sage/flag-rainbow.JPG)
This way it will inspire the bombers to achieve greater heights as they keep reaching for that rainbow.
Ack-Ack
OMG OMG OMFG QUAH!!!!
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Originally posted by SunKing
Buff bashing is lame.
Agreed.
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Originally posted by FTSnafu
t's not really fair that fighter jock get there kill on the buffer but us BUFF pilots get nada after a killer bombing run.
It would be nice to get the credit for a job well done.
You should think of yourself as a secret agent. You can never speak of the job you do. You can never tell anyone, no one will ever know. Super secret Agent buffer pilot.
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with a green tag above your head telling everyone "look at me, I make buildings go boom"
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Originally posted by SunKing
Buff bashing is lame.
And milkrunning isn't?
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Ack-Ack
where do we get these new flags at? and can you come up with something like battlestars. 10 missions equal 1 star. and so on. now if i could just get someone to do a pink 17 for me everything would be right in the game.
JT
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Wootwooooooooot!!!11! I r teh L337 Buff Pile IT OMG YAAHAHA!!!
SYSTEM: QUAH B1TCHSLAP PWNED 50 TOOLSHEDS OF TEH FUN PO-LICE!
I r teh RULE YEAH!
All your buildings r belong to m3!
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(http://furballunderground.com/blueknights_pictures/./userfiles/Morpheus/flag-rainbow.jpg)
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If you get some air to air kills you get your name in lights right?
That means you took at least some risk whether intentionally or not.
If buffers are going to get building kills what about jabo's and vehicle's brick n mortar victories?
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Sorry, I must have learned completly wrong. Bombers decided nothing in the past or today.
And what do yall think TOD is going to revolve around? Guess HTC should drop that also considering toolsheds are pointless and should really just create a map with 3 bases all with atomatic spawns directly to 15k.
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come on guys, whats with all the haten on me??!!:lol Deep down im a fighter pilot. I read Col. "Bud" Anderson's book, and there was a passage that blew me away.
"Us fighter pilots thought we were hot, compaired to bomber pilots. We could fly, navigate, shoot, and drop bombs all on our own, bomber guys needed people to do all that for them."
"But when bomber crews met fighter pilotd in the bar (mainly P-51 pilots) they would buy a drink for those guys."
I love dog fighting, its where my heart is, but occationally i do like to have fun in bombers. Id like to see some of you guys go up 23k in lanc and knock down all 3 vhs in one pass. with ur salvo at 2.
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
And what do yall think TOD is going to revolve around? Guess HTC should drop that also considering toolsheds are pointless and should really just create a map with 3 bases all with atomatic spawns directly to 15k.
I think TOD will revolve around armchair generals having missions planned for them by AI (which is good, as many could use some), and will involve many of the current fun police going about and bombing buildings that won't affect the fun of anyone in the scenario.
I hope HTC gets it out asap.
I think you bomber pilots are opening a pandora's box here. Do you REALLY want the whole arena to know EXACTLY who knocked down the FHs/VHs on furball island again? Might want to sleep on that one.
As is, if you want some recognition, fly into an area at an alt where you might actually see an enemy, and DON'T suicide into your target. Keep your alt and gun someone down... Guys like 999000 do it all the time, I don't see what the big problem is.
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Originally posted by EagleEyes
come on guys, whats with all the haten on me??!!:lol Deep down im a fighter pilot. I read Col. "Bud" Anderson's book, and there was a passage that blew me away.
"Us fighter pilots thought we were hot, compaired to bomber pilots. We could fly, navigate, shoot, and drop bombs all on our own, bomber guys needed people to do all that for them."
"But when bomber crews met fighter pilotd in the bar (mainly P-51 pilots) they would buy a drink for those guys."
I love dog fighting, its where my heart is, but occationally i do like to have fun in bombers. Id like to see some of you guys go up 23k in lanc and knock down all 3 vhs in one pass. with ur salvo at 2.
Put it in perspective. Not many of the AH buffs are launching from rear bases, flying at 25-30K for 8-10 hours before they drop and then fighting their way home. They aren't facing high alt flak or heavy fighter attacks etc. Not much problem with the AH weather or mechanical difficulties. Unless they are living outside in snow, not many are dealing with the 60 below temps or hoping their oxygen supply doesn't fail. And there aren't 10 guys all working to make a single AH buff complete it's mission, much less 30 guys filling out the crew of your typical single pilot buff box.
Somehow the WW2 bomber pilot comparison just doesn't work under the circumstances :)
Dan/CorkyJr
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Originally posted by Vudak
I think you bomber pilots are opening a pandora's box here. Do you REALLY want the whole arena to know EXACTLY who knocked down the FHs/VHs on furball island again? Might want to sleep on that one.
Who cares ? I certianly dont care for peoples complaints if I spend my time climbing to 15k or so and taking down FHs. They have the abilities to defend.
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And in recognition of your Elite bomber skills, let me be honored and bestow the 2nd Official Tool Shed Warrior's Rainbow Flag of Elite Excellence in the field of Milkrunning and Tool Shed Destruction.
(http://www.elmhurst.edu/~sage/flag-rainbow.JPG)
Congratulations BlueJ1, without your tireless efforts in your quest to send to Hell any tool shed you run across or milkrun that undefended base, we would be forever lost.
ack-ack
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I accept the award. I only hope to keep up this non-skill in the future.
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You guys who like to complain about suicide buffs are hypocrites to be hijacking this thread. You really have a beef with a buff pilot getting recognition for landing their sortie rather than augering it in? Brilliant!
To elaborate on my original query, the problem is not so much with doing it but with how to do it. I don't see the suggestion to list what he destroyed as viable. We could have a really long message like:
Server: Pyro landed 2 Hangars, 3 Factories, 2 Fuel Depots,
Server: a barracks, 3 acks, 2 churches, an orphanage, 2 brothels,
Server: 6 sheep, and a chicken, in a B-17.
OTOH, if you make the messages generic then that will probably prompt some people to focus on softer targets more.
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are we getting SHEEP AGAIN!????!
Can we KILL them this time???!:D
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I honestly have no problems with milkrunners or the guy who is with a squad/mission trying to accomplish a base capture. Is it my cup O tea...no, but to each their own. My problem is with the dive bombing lancs or 50k bombers that feel the need to stop a furball. They come in with no other purpose except to kill the FHs at a certain base or CV to stop a fight. I think a lot of ppl do it thinking they are helping and isn't intentionally meant to ruin fun for others. I think 999000 is respected so much b/c I've seen him ask on numerous occasions if we want him to hit FHs and it's really appreciated by us furballers. And not only him, there are others that are very repectful in that stand point. And by the same token, for guys such as that I would gladly dive head long into stupid odds to help them best I could before I bit it. Although by the time I get there most of the enemy is dead anyway:eek:
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Originally posted by Pyro
You guys who like to complain about suicide buffs are hypocrites to be hijacking this thread. You really have a beef with a buff pilot getting recognition for landing their sortie rather than augering it in? Brilliant!
To elaborate on my original query, the problem is not so much with doing it but with how to do it. I don't see the suggestion to list what he destroyed as viable. We could have a really long message like:
Server: Pyro landed 2 Hangars, 3 Factories, 2 Fuel Depots,
Server: a barracks, 3 acks, 2 churches, an orphanage, 2 brothels,
Server: 6 sheep, and a chicken, in a B-17.
OTOH, if you make the messages generic then that will probably prompt some people to focus on softer targets more.
If the hit% is possible I'd go that route.
Player has X kills and hit X% with ordinance
If people wanna hit soft targets to get a better landing message..oh well. No worse really than someone vulching to land 20 kills and enjoy the praise.
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IF, such a scheme were to be implemented. I would recommend for ALL planes, attackers and buffs, the message:
So and so got so many kills AND delivered XXX lbs of ordinance on target.
Then of course the GV guys will want a similar message.
I really do believe Goon's should get a:
So and so captured XXX base at the moment of capture.
Starts to clutter the text buffer.
I do think both buffs and goons should get more perkies. The goons should be able to get fighter perks if they choose, then the rooks might actually take some bases!
g00b
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Originally posted by SuperDud
I think 999000 is respected so much b/c I've seen him ask on numerous occasions if we want him to hit FHs and it's really appreciated by us furballers. And not only him, there are others that are very repectful in that stand point. And by the same token, for guys such as that I would gladly dive head long into stupid odds to help them best I could before I bit it. Although by the time I get there most of the enemy is dead anyway:eek:
Well said. Usually I'll link up with 999 and Tatertot if the Rooks have a game plan to take and capture a base. I'm not one to egg a field without having some sort of plan to grab it with my squad.
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SYSTEM: Hub just ruined a perfect CV Furball after sinking the CV with his B17s'.
YAY!
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
Who cares ? I certianly dont care for peoples complaints if I spend my time climbing to 15k or so and taking down FHs. They have the abilities to defend.
Yeah but ah BlueJ1... The enemies have the ability to defend, true... What ability does YOUR country have to stop you?
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Originally posted by Pyro
You guys who like to complain about suicide buffs are hypocrites to be hijacking this thread. You really have a beef with a buff pilot getting recognition for landing their sortie rather than augering it in? Brilliant!
To elaborate on my original query, the problem is not so much with doing it but with how to do it. I don't see the suggestion to list what he destroyed as viable. We could have a really long message like:
Server: Pyro landed 2 Hangars, 3 Factories, 2 Fuel Depots,
Server: a barracks, 3 acks, 2 churches, an orphanage, 2 brothels,
Server: 6 sheep, and a chicken, in a B-17.
OTOH, if you make the messages generic then that will probably prompt some people to focus on softer targets more.
I think there should be war crimes trials held for the guys who blew up the brothels.......and the sheep for that matter :)
Dan/CorkyJr
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Originally posted by Morpheus
are we getting SHEEP AGAIN!????!
Can we KILL them this time???!:D
Bah, model them soft and cuddly so I can smooch smooch w/ em as I run around w/ my .45 looking for planes to vulch.
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Can we get assists on VH's?
My Tiff only carries eight rockets and I'm tired of no skill P38 dwwebs stealing all my kills...
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Originally posted by Vudak
Yeah but ah BlueJ1... The enemies have the ability to defend, true... What ability does YOUR country have to stop you?
Id be more then happy to divert my target if so and so asked me not to bomb the hangers, Id simply take down the vh or the town. Im not out to ruin fun when i up a set of bombers. If my country is losing, then yes I may up to put FHs down. And my thought of losing is not a ton of ours guys dieing in a furball, but when they are being vulched off a feild.
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Originally posted by Pyro
You guys who like to complain about suicide buffs are hypocrites to be hijacking this thread. You really have a beef with a buff pilot getting recognition for landing their sortie rather than augering it in? Brilliant!
To elaborate on my original query, the problem is not so much with doing it but with how to do it. I don't see the suggestion to list what he destroyed as viable. We could have a really long message like:
Server: Pyro landed 2 Hangars, 3 Factories, 2 Fuel Depots,
Server: a barracks, 3 acks, 2 churches, an orphanage, 2 brothels,
Server: 6 sheep, and a chicken, in a B-17.
OTOH, if you make the messages generic then that will probably prompt some people to focus on softer targets more.
Pyro, I wasn't trying to hijack this thread by pointing out that some buffs suicide. What I was trying to say is that bomber pilots already have recognition when they land kills, same as everyone else. My suggestion to stop suiciding would simply be one of the steps toward landing these kills.
I don't have any "beef" with any bomber pilot landing their sortie instead of augering it in. Quite the opposite. I do have a serious problem with the thought of rewarding bomber pilots for bombing FHs, VHs, City Buildings, sheep, whatever, via a text victory scroll.
I say this because many nights (and rampantly the past two or so on the last map) I seemingly haven't been able to get to a fight without having the FHs dropped very soon before or after I arrived. That just kills it for you after you've drop your DT. And NO, I'm not just looking to vulch.
I *really* hope that this situation is not encouraged.
If, however, this offer is now seriously on the consideration board, I'd like to make a compromise suggestion...
Why not only award a text buffer "name in lights" ONLY for objects destroyed on a town? Say:
Server: Vudak destroyed 20% of A10 Town.
This is a compromise because it won't encourage people to drop the FHs, thus, wasting fighter's time. On the contrary, it will encourage people to drop on the town, so a goon pilot's time is not wasted.
Besides, when all is said and done, the only thing that absolutely HAS to go down to take a field is the town... So why not recognize this?
Thoughts?
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Vudak, I understand your opinion completly.
My opinion is that fighter pilots do their job, and when they do it well, they are awarded with kills, and then those show up in the text buffer. I believe that bomber pilots should get a small bit of this.
I like So and So landed successfully in a B17 with a hit % of ___
And as far as cluttering up the text buffer, there isnt to many real bomber pilots left, and most of the text buffer is cluttered up with guys talking about whatever on country.
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Originally posted by g00b
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Starts to clutter the text buffer.
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That's why I .squelch 6 as soon as I log on. What do I care if some Bozo landed 6 kills, he probably got them vulching anyway. Now if the kill messages didn't count aircraft on the ground and HOs I might find it more interesting....Of course if the scoreing system didn't count them either the whole system would be more telling about who is actually a decent plane driver.
But I think a BUFF driver should be able to get his name it lights if he lands his plane.
SYSTEM: Bozo porked something with a box of Lancasters.
I also think you should get scored for actually hitting something with the manned ack before it got destroyed.
:D
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System: Bufguy landed xxx,xxx dmg & 2 kills in B-24J of *squad1*
works for jabos too
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Put it in perspective. Not many of the AH buffs are launching from rear bases, flying at 25-30K for 8-10 hours before they drop and then fighting their way home. They aren't facing high alt flak or heavy fighter attacks etc. Not much problem with the AH weather or mechanical difficulties. Unless they are living outside in snow, not many are dealing with the 60 below temps or hoping their oxygen supply doesn't fail. And there aren't 10 guys all working to make a single AH buff complete it's mission, much less 30 guys filling out the crew of your typical single pilot buff box.
Somehow the WW2 bomber pilot comparison just doesn't work under the circumstances :)
Dan/CorkyJr
I know it doesnt work for this circumstance, i was just stating that even during the war buff and fighter jocks gave eachother a hard time. But tell me this guys, if your in a buff, isnt it a great sight when u see a friendly plane wing up with you? I know i do. Awhile back me and my squad put together a rather large Buff w/ escort mission, high alt, long range. And we flew at around 20k. I was in a B-24 along with 10 other 31st pilots, and had around 7 escort aircraft. A couple of times a con got on a squaddie (escorts) tail and i had him drag the con by me, and i shot his butt down. I remember reading about stuff like this in a book about the air war over europe. Im mearly stating that even in WWII buff and fighter jocks gave eachother a hard time, but when it came down to it, they loved eachother!
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
Vudak, I understand your opinion completly.
My opinion is that fighter pilots do their job, and when they do it well, they are awarded with kills, and then those show up in the text buffer. I believe that bomber pilots should get a small bit of this.
I like So and So landed successfully in a B17 with a hit % of ___
And as far as cluttering up the text buffer, there isnt to many real bomber pilots left, and most of the text buffer is cluttered up with guys talking about whatever on country.
I see what you're saying BlueJ1, but think of it this way - what is the easiest thing to hit? A hanger, of course.
I know the comparison is that vulching is easy too and fighter pilots get that credit, but vulching is really no different then cherry picking if you think of it... And besides, anyone who thinks that trying to vulch 20+ fellows who are determined to get up, all the while dealing with flak and GVs, as well as quite a few airborne enemies, and keeping an eye out for the high alt reinforcements is easy probably isn't at the same field I am :)
That scenario's a blast. Then the FHs come down. Apparently because we're trying to take the field and the goon is nearly there.... But the town is still up!!!
The solution of how to convince bomber pilots to hit the darn town instead of the FHs baffles me. I do fear that awarding them some name in lights for hitting anything, FHs included, will only encourage the FHs to drop as they're easier targets... And that's really not fun for either side, the one trying to take off or the one trying to prevent it.
Again, I just really fear that this will encourage bombers to take out the hangers... The hangers being the necessary thing for both sides' enjoyment.
I do however see the bomber pilots' point and hope a way is found to give them some recognition without encouraging them to stop fights.
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I think that even if the buffer showed that a buff pilot landed so much hit % that everyone would know that its for the most part, especially with new bombsite, easier to hit a FH then it is to shoot down a la7 in a fighter yourself.
If the buffer showed a bomber hit certian objects would be too much. But if it showed either Hit % or so many pounds successfully dropped would work for your reasons. You said that bombers would then go for the hangers. Well if I was going just to look good in the buffer, I would go for the easiest target possible, the town, not a hanger with ack, more aircraft, and gvs if low enough. The town is larger and more clustered with objects to bomb.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
He's right. After long and tiring flights caused by milk running undefended bases and smiting the tool sheds that were the target of their ire, the bomber pilots should receive some recognition for their prowess at blowing up buildings from 25,000ft or using a formation of Lancasters as dive bombers.
As the saying does, "Fighter pilots make movies, bomber pilots make history" so to recognize their efforts, a I think it's only fitting they do get some type of recognition.
So I propose for those bombers that have shown significant skill and determination to seek that that undefended base and bomb the vile tool sheds to oblivion should be eligible for a special reward. It can't be just any special reward either like those system messages those "fighter jocks" get, no, it must be far more than that. They need their own flag to mount on their planes, to let the others know that "there is an elite bomber pilot in this plane." A flag they can wave proudly to show that they're "Loud, bombers and here." and I can think of no better flag than this.
The Official Tool Shed Warrior's Rainbow Flag of Elite Excellence in the field of Milkrunning and Tool Shed Destruction.
(http://www.elmhurst.edu/~sage/flag-rainbow.JPG)
This way it will inspire the bombers to achieve greater heights as they keep reaching for that rainbow.
Ack-Ack
Ok, I'm not an AKAK fan by any means, but that's damn hilarious, I don't care who you are. Score one for the 38 dweeb on this one! :aok
Zazen
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I was never a big fan of buffs until MrPluto kind of took me under his wing (so to speak) and helped me become a much better buff pilot than I ever was in a fighter.
I'd like to see some credit awarded...but I see the difficulty with it after reading Pyro's posts. (Kudos to him for considering the issue.)
I wish I could give some suggestions but I don't feel qualified to do so. Whatever can be done would be greatly appreciated though.
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SYSTEM: bug322 lost 2 buffs and only got 1 kill thnx to 3 lifes the dweeb was able to land.
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System: landed XX ground objects destroyed/xx kills
New graphics look nicer btw. :)
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Originally posted by Vudak
I see what you're saying BlueJ1, but think of it this way - what is the easiest thing to hit? A hanger, of course...
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Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I've thought that the hit % took into account the number of structures hit by a single blast -- for example, a single bomb with damage applied to 4 structures in its radius would have a 400% rating.
In that case, the town/strat drop would ahve a significant advantage on the airfield pad structures, which are more spread out and have fewer live targets to begin with.
If my impression is correct, then the hit% would tend to FAVOR town drops more than hangar drops, and would have an advantage over total points damage (which would be more target neutral).
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Very good Simaril, what I was trying to say but more intelligent.
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I'm not ragging on the buffers, but I think since the one of the more difficult objects of this game is to defeat another live player in one form or another, thats what the victory messages should highlight.
On a personal note, I for one, when I do skulk around late at night, usually LUI, would not want the results of my clandestine milkrunning splashed on the front page.
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Last time i checked there is no object to the game in the main arena.
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
Last time i checked there is no object to the game in the main arena.
I edited my post to better clarify what I meant BlueJ1.
True, it does not explicitly say in the rules to the game that the object is to defeat other players, but ya know, it's not a game in a box, it's a MMOG, if you want to stick your head in the sand and say that defeating other thinking and scheming human beings is not what this game is really all about, it's your prerogative. I think that most would disagree with you though.
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True, but defeating the other player in this sort of scenario should includ defeating him in other ways, not just killing him.
Ok, then the buffer idea is dropped, then give bombers more perks per drop instead of a lousy 2 perks. Only thing they can be used on is the ar234. Dont think fighter pilots can nag on this one, they have multiple perk planes that cost less then ar234s.
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Get rid of the bombers.
Get rid of the GVs.
Lose the Carriers and 100 foot trees.
Throw out the graphics and late war planes.
Give us 5k starts, and what remains?
Spitfires and 109s.....Yuuuck!
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SYSTEM: PLAYER landed 3 OBJ and 2 kills in a B17 of SQUAD XXXX
just an idea
or inverse:
SYSTEM: PLAYER landed 3 kills / 9 OBJ in a B17 of SQUAD XXXX
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i hope in TOD we dont have the "so and so vulched 10 fighters" award system, it works in MA well enough but it will sort of counter act the point of TOD. Having a bomber one would just fill up the chat buffer more than it already is. Tho that might be kinda nice so it would discourage ppl from having a conversation on main channel.
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
Last time i checked there is no object to the game in the main arena.
Check again. The main object is to reset the map and win the war.
ack-ack
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The idea that there's no listed goal to the game as a rationale for trying to **** the game up for those of us who do actually like to fight other people is, at this point, tired and worn out.
The point of the game, as with any game, should be fun. If the only way you can find fun in AH is by ruining other people's fun, then I see no rationale whatsoever for rewarding any of you who find this fun, nor any reason to give you any accolades whatsoever.
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Where does it say that the point of this is to ruin others fun ? Maybe you should make another thread making all objects indestructable.
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I see a few guys in here with that "You wouldnt catch me in a buff! Im a hot shot fighter jock!" mentality. Dont get to carried away with yourselves. I hope that you are just goofin on the buffers and arent serious.
We are all somewhat geekish to be doing what we do anyways. Im ok with that. Its fun. Always has been. The bombers are part of the game. The problem is part of the community wants to just bomb whatever, some want historic mission setups(or atleast a plan) others want to cherry, others just want a DA, one that puts their names in lights for all to see.
We all kill and get killed in here. Be it from a mistake against another good pilot, being ganged by average ones, or removed from play by a buff gun. a 5", or AI.
Did you ever think that perhaps some guys buff because they realize they will never be that good at the fighter part of the game, so they do what they can to take part and enjoy it?
Shame only works on those that feel guilty. As it is, right now the fields and towns are the only thing worth bombing. The map is won by capturing fields, and a few "good fights" have to be ruined by doing this. Without it, you may as well be in the DA.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
He's right. After long and tiring flights caused by milk running undefended bases and smiting the tool sheds that were the target of their ire, the bomber pilots should receive some recognition for their prowess at blowing up buildings from 25,000ft or using a formation of Lancasters as dive bombers.
As the saying does, "Fighter pilots make movies, bomber pilots make history" so to recognize their efforts, a I think it's only fitting they do get some type of recognition.
So I propose for those bombers that have shown significant skill and determination to seek that that undefended base and bomb the vile tool sheds to oblivion should be eligible for a special reward. It can't be just any special reward either like those system messages those "fighter jocks" get, no, it must be far more than that. They need their own flag to mount on their planes, to let the others know that "there is an elite bomber pilot in this plane." A flag they can wave proudly to show that they're "Loud, bombers and here." and I can think of no better flag than this.
The Official Tool Shed Warrior's Rainbow Flag of Elite Excellence in the field of Milkrunning and Tool Shed Destruction.
(http://www.elmhurst.edu/~sage/flag-rainbow.JPG)
This way it will inspire the bombers to achieve greater heights as they keep reaching for that rainbow.
Ack-Ack
Seriously, whats the problem with bomber pilots? Just because you don't like the way someone flies or his fighter/bomber tactics, doesn't mean that they shouldn't ba allowed to do them. Everybody paided there money to play this game, and they shpould be able to play it anyway the game allows them to without be blasted for it.
My AH expericance has only been about 6 weeks long and I have routinely setup missions that center around bombing runs-there are anything but milk runs. We always select bases to take or do near suicidal HQ raids. In these missions I have gotten as many as 7 bomber formations up with escorts... Not easy to get them all to work together or pull off a sucessful raid against a HQ. The guys I fly with are great guys who like to work together to get the job done. They don't whine when we spent nearly an hour getting to HQ then get hit by 10 163's and 262's, truly we don't stand a chance aginst them, but it is part of the game. We like the challenge of flying to well defended target and getting out alive.
Another thought is that for a mission to be sucessful against a stategic target, you would ideally take the enmey by surprise and not face any fighters. Like it or not, that is a tactic that real air forces use and also would have happened in WWII.
The bottom line is that there are several different groups of people who like to play- the arcade style neverending furball type, the stategic mission oritented/base capturing type, and the people who like to do both. Let each person play the way they like, if you don't like his tactics, or it destroys your fun- then find a way to counteract them in the game. That is what makes if fun and a challege. Telling them you don't like them or think the deserve bashing, belittling, is silly. That is what my kid does when he doesn't get his way :)
Last thing I have to say is that I respect everyone that plays and there methods, fighter guys, gv or bombers. Each involves different challeges and rewards.
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People will take advantage of every occasion to dweeb it up and bend the spirit of the rules of the game. Buffs got easy mode put in and now its just easier To totally destroy everything as well as sucide...where's the skill? I remember teaching a bunch of guys to fly buffs back in the day and it was difficult for a newb...As I said before fix easy mode buffs..lazer gunners..and the totally insane bending of all the laws of physics before salvoing 8 bombs in a 5g dive and than they can have their props on 200. or
BRING BACK THE DEATHSTAR! :)
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Originally posted by Simaril
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I've thought that the hit % took into account the number of structures hit by a single blast -- for example, a single bomb with damage applied to 4 structures in its radius would have a 400% rating.
In that case, the town/strat drop would ahve a significant advantage on the airfield pad structures, which are more spread out and have fewer live targets to begin with.
If my impression is correct, then the hit% would tend to FAVOR town drops more than hangar drops, and would have an advantage over total points damage (which would be more target neutral).
I was thinking more along the lines of % of target destroyed, Simaril, but you're right, so long as they go with hit % in general.
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SYSTEM shouldn't give props for buff flying. I try to shoot down buffs and they shoot me sometimes. I have seen them shoot planes. They have their chances to land kills. I have seen people land many kills in buffs. Credit for blowing up towns and hangars is just dumb. If this did happen there are so many toolshed bombers they would have to tune to another channel like furball said.
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Originally posted by FiLtH
Shame only works on those that feel guilty. As it is, right now the fields and towns are the only thing worth bombing. The map is won by capturing fields, and a few "good fights" have to be ruined by doing this. Without it, you may as well be in the DA.
That's it right there! I for one will play both for fun and help win the map. If and when we lose, oh well, try again. When I fly fighters, I fly to defend a base or help get a cap on an enemy base. Furballing for the fun of furballing isn't my style in the MA because it accomplishes nothing toward the goal of THIS arena. I fly buffs during times when I believe it is the most potent way to supress the enemy, help take bases, or at least hold our own. If I choose to furball, THAT is the reason the DA is readily available.
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Originally posted by Vudak
I was thinking more along the lines of % of target destroyed, Simaril, but you're right, so long as they go with hit % in general.
Vudak, I'm not sure the system is capable of calculating what % of any target you destroyed personally. It can calculate a HIT % for you, and it can differentiate between certain types of buildings, but would it know that if you took down 25 buildings in town, and there are 50 total, that you destroyed 50% of the town? I dont think so, mainly because I'm not sure it can differentiate (in scoring) the difference between a "town building" at base A1 and a "town building" at base A2. I'm pretty sure it would have to be limited to things that are displayed in your score from the clipboard.
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how about:
xx successfully dropped xxx lb of bombs, xxx kills in a B24
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If I am correct the object is to take the fields.
If I could take out just the town it would be great.
But that is very hard when your getting jumped by fighters correct.
Even you jocks know that.(dim bulbs)
But to get the town I take out the fh's.
So I don't get jumped in a plane that moved like a semi in molasses in january.
Try to out fly a fighter in one and rag on us.
Atleast you can moved jook and dive .
Forgive me for asking for some credit didn't know it was a game just for fighter jocks.
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Originally posted by megadud
They have their chances to land kills.
CHANCE, when was the last time you got into a dogfight in a buff with a fighter and survived. Probally not gona happen except for a few exceptions.
And as far as not want to give buffs any credit in the buffer, fighter pilots and gvs get credit for vulching and spawncamping.
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I guess since bombers have been awarded the name "Toolshedders", certain types of guy who use fighters should be called something. "Fishbowlers"...or something to relflect the desire to kill defenseless targets. "Baby Beaters"?
As for asking those types to play in the DA instead is really pointless. They would be there except for one thing. There is no audience. Who wants to be on the front page of a newspaper no one reads.
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
CHANCE, when was the last time you got into a dogfight in a buff with a fighter and survived. Probally not gona happen except for a few exceptions.
And as far as not want to give buffs any credit in the buffer, fighter pilots and gvs get credit for vulching and spawncamping.
3 bombers to 1 fighter and it's easy to shoot planes in a bomber.
and as for the spawncamping and vulching, the morons can stop upping...Toolsheds don't have that option.
toolsheds! :aok
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My favorite is when bombers drop FH's right off the bat, all the fighters quickly try and fly somewhere else nearby with what fuel they have remaining to find a fight. Then the buffers that droped the FH's come back in a goon just as the FHs come up again 15 minutes later and proceed to cry, gnash teeth, piss n moan that he has no fighter CAP for his capture. :rolleyes:
No offense to the buff guys, I appreciate what you do. But buffing is extremely easy in the current AH. I buff occassionally and it is no challenege whatsoever to up, alt a lil bit, maybe 8-18k and drop anything I wish. The buff defensive guns are superior to any fighter weapon and the buffs take alot more damage than a fighter. I can pretty much pin point drop any structure up to 25k, and no I don't dive bomb buffs. The absolute only time buffs are really vulnerable is during the 10 seconds you're 'in the pipe' over your target. Other than that it's literally a 'flying fortress'.
Giving buffers some form of text buffer recognition for dropping buildings would imply that doing so is on par, from a difficulty perspective, as downing a fighter in another fighter (other than vulching). I'm sorry buff guys but this is simply not the case. I think that is the core of why some are not sympathetic to the subject of this thread. Dropping buildings with a buff requires very little skill, a relatively small investment in time, the desire to do so and not much else. Dropping buildings with a bomber is equivalent to vulching or spawncamping in difficulty, they don't move, they are in a fixed position, they don't fight back and you can take your time and set-up your pass.
Zazen
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Well bring the fighters on then. I rarely ever have a fighter attack me at 15k unless its a 262 or a typhoon.
And I agree, bombing is far too easy now.
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Originally posted by FiLtH
I guess since bombers have been awarded the name "Toolshedders", certain types of guy who use fighters should be called something. "Fishbowlers"...or something to relflect the desire to kill defenseless targets. "Baby Beaters"?
Baby Seal Clubbers!!1!11! :aok
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Hehe that works..Seal Clubbers :)
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
CHANCE, when was the last time you got into a dogfight in a buff with a fighter and survived. Probally not gona happen except for a few exceptions.
Hmm...tell that to my squadmate Duncey. Of all the Raiders he probably averaged more kills than anyone else and he only flew bombers. He'd average 8-9 kills per sortie. And considering how few actually know how to properly engage a bomber formation, it's really not all that hard to muster a few kills.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by FTSnafu
But to get the town I take out the fh's.
So I don't get jumped in a plane that moved like a semi in molasses in january.
The only possible way you can get nailed in your buffs at the field you are attacking by fighters that lift from there is if you are one of the 200 foot auger type buffers.
Killing FH's does nothing to stop the planes already in the air, btw.
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Originally posted by FiLtH
Hehe that works..Seal Clubbers :)
It's already taken. Baby seals refers to the clueless players that no matter how long they've played still act like newbies.
ack-ack
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You did not understand what I typed. Never said anything about fishing for fighters in bombers.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
it's really not all that hard to muster a few kills.
Especially since buffs are armed w/ Star Wars style turbolazers.
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
You did not understand what I typed. Never said anything about fishing for fighters in bombers.
And you obviously didn't comprehend what I wrote. When did I say he was fishing for kills in a bomber? He'd get those kills as he'd make his way to the target and back. He was wasn't the type to fly like you at high altitudes in a bomber to avoid trouble.
ack-ack
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Oh I get it now.If your not into the reset aspect ie Furballer,than your open for ridicule.Real nice guys.Show that childish "do it my way or your a homo" attitude.:rolleyes:
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the problem is that fightr jocks are too lazy to defend their airspace and keep buffs from blowin the crap out of their feilds ,nobody wants to climb above 12k cause its too far from the vulching,if u dont want the bombers to "ruin your fun"climb your lazy arse up there and shoot them down ,,,freeckin sissys!!!
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Thats it! Its on! Tonight..DA..Toolshedders vs the Seal Clubbers!
Be there!
Oh we are so gonna bomb your hangers! :P
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Originally posted by FiLtH
Thats it! Its on! Tonight..DA..Toolshedders vs the Seal Clubbers!
Be there!
Oh we are so gonna bomb your hangers! :P
:rofl
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Geesh...
So bombers can bomb too easily...
Bombers guns are too powerful...
All bomber guys take down fighter hangars first...
All these assumptions and stereotypes are just silly.
Based on the whines, err...complaints I'm seeing posted, the next demand will be that bombers shouldnt be allowed to climb higher than you are. And, it should ask for permission to knock down a strategic target. Oh, and of course, we are not allowed to fire back and defend ourselves from fighter pilots who lack proper techniques to attack the various bombers out there.
Good grief!
There's a lot of fighter guys out there that are deadly when it comes to intercepting buffs and knowing their weaknesses. From slashing attacks to attack from beneath. Perhaps you guys so eager to mute the effectiveness of a bomber ought to take a few lessons from such aces?
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Originally posted by 1redrum
the problem is that fightr jocks are too lazy to defend their airspace and keep buffs from blowin the crap out of their feilds ,nobody wants to climb above 12k cause its too far from the vulching,if u dont want the bombers to "ruin your fun"climb your lazy arse up there and shoot them down ,,,freeckin sissys!!!
I'm sure if you were to look at the kill records of most of us that have been termed "furballers", you will probably see a ratio of 5 to 1 or even in some cases 15-1 ratio of kills over bombers.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
CHANCE, when was the last time you got into a dogfight in a buff with a fighter and survived. Probally not gona happen except for a few exceptions.
And as far as not want to give buffs any credit in the buffer, fighter pilots and gvs get credit for vulching and spawncamping.
Whaaat?
I get kills all the time in bombers and survive.
Most people are idiots about approaching buffs, even many smart enough to slash in or come up from below will still hang in the 6 zone and get the stuffing blown out of them. The trick is you gotta learn how to properly man your guns in combat situations.
At the same time, you'll get plenty of ops to kill people in a battle, I usually line up and calibrate, and then just sit in my guns. The smartees will wait until they think you in the bomb sight and attack. I've learned to just wait on them in the gunners position and then pop into the bomb seat and drop. It surprises them when your guns come up when you are so close to the target, many times they think you have a gunner and peel off.
Also don't fire at nme when they are too far away, I let them get real close so that they think you aren't paying attention and then shred them.
Just a few hits on a fighter usually discourages them and they leave you alone after a couple of passes.
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I attacked 2 seperate 3 buff formations last night.Killed 4,2 from eac\h formation.But then again.I wasnt to consumed with my oh so precious KD either:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Pyro,
This sounds tough but how about something like this: (64 characters max)
System: Easyscor landed 2 kills in a B-17g 30% Dar Factory 20% A21 Town[ 10% Fuel Factory of Squadname - truncated]
One line, no squad credit etc if line runs over maximum character length, there wouldn't be enough room. Line starts as usual with kills,
then list of largest percentage targets damaged and ends with squad name but is truncated at 64 characters. This takes care of missions
which hit multiple targets.
Notice there is no credit for airfield targets so it might move bombers toward strat targets and teammates would know they might have an
advantage at the local field or zone.
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Originally posted by kj714
Whaaat?
I get kills all the time in bombers and survive.
Most people are idiots about approaching buffs, even many smart enough to slash in or come up from below will still hang in the 6 zone and get the stuffing blown out of them. The trick is you gotta learn how to properly man your guns in combat situations.
At the same time, you'll get plenty of ops to kill people in a battle, I usually line up and calibrate, and then just sit in my guns. The smartees will wait until they think you in the bomb sight and attack. I've learned to just wait on them in the gunners position and then pop into the bomb seat and drop. It surprises them when your guns come up when you are so close to the target, many times they think you have a gunner and peel off.
Also don't fire at nme when they are too far away, I let them get real close so that they think you aren't paying attention and then shred them.
Just a few hits on a fighter usually discourages them and they leave you alone after a couple of passes.
WOW ... that is all too logical ... don't cha think !!!
SKUZZY ... please edit/delete this post before too many people have an ephiphany !!! ... their brains might bleed.
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Kill buffs?What?Im suppose to climb up out of the mindless furball and protect something?Who are YOU to tell me how to play when I spend my 14..................uh....... crap nevermind.:rofl :rofl
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kj, I have no problem killing fighters in my bombers. Just dont have many pilots to challenge my buffs, most fly the other way.
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Originally posted by DrDea
Oh I get it now.If your not into the reset aspect ie Furballer,than your open for ridicule.Real nice guys.Show that childish "do it my way or your a homo" attitude.:rolleyes:
It has nothing to do with resetting the map or "winning the war".
ack-ack
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Originally posted by kj714
Whaaat?
I get kills all the time in bombers and survive.
Most people are idiots about approaching buffs, even many smart enough to slash in or come up from below will still hang in the 6 zone and get the stuffing blown out of them. The trick is you gotta learn how to properly man your guns in combat situations.
At the same time, you'll get plenty of ops to kill people in a battle, I usually line up and calibrate, and then just sit in my guns. The smartees will wait until they think you in the bomb sight and attack. I've learned to just wait on them in the gunners position and then pop into the bomb seat and drop. It surprises them when your guns come up when you are so close to the target, many times they think you have a gunner and peel off.
Also don't fire at nme when they are too far away, I let them get real close so that they think you aren't paying attention and then shred them.
Just a few hits on a fighter usually discourages them and they leave you alone after a couple of passes.
really? what is your in game handle, i kill lots of buffs.
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Ok Ack ack.Why doesnt it?The furballers want an enviornment where they wont have bases closed down on them.The "goal" is to reset to win perks as far as the game goes.Some people want to fly buffs and thats their game.No sence is calling them toolshed fighters because of that or makeing comments about their sexual preference.Now to the point of the thread,I dont see a way to reward buff damage outside of a2a kills.As someone said beforeDive bombers dont get any extra.But Im open to suggestions and if I dont like to fly the way you do you can rest assured I wont belittle you for that.Whatever floats your boat.I just think its bogus to jump on people that fly the buffs.
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I'll say this and then I'll leave you poor wittle guys awone.
The war used to be a premise for the fighting. Now, the war is a twisted rationale to prevent any fighting. The warriors, and many of the bomber pilots (I won't say all. I know better. Those of you I do know will hopefully know I exclude you from this rant.), are focused only on preventing any sort of fight, because only by preventing the fight can they possibly take the fields that will get them the grand prize of toolshedding, the only honor that tops the flag... winning the war. If they can't prevent the fight, they get wiped out. Now, because they aren't up to the challenge of fighters (don't even flame me on this again, the guy said it himself), they want praise for choosing the path of least resistance once again. **** that.
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For those that crave the score,bombing is an sub section to gaining higher averages.For those that love the buffs its a love affair with the buff.For those who just like fighters,and Im 99% one of em,the hypocracy of some against those that feel the same affection for the buffs is not only childish,but also a negative impact on the arena.Lighten up guys.Everyone doesnt like the same thing.If they did fat chicks would NEVER get lucky:rofl
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Originally posted by storch
really? what is your in game handle, i kill lots of buffs.
My game handle,hhmmm, here's a clue:
K?7?4
Yeah you've got me before and I believe I may have gotten you too! lol
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I fly bombers allot and you will rarely find me below 10K. I take the time to climb up to altitude usually 15 to 20K pick the angle of attack on the target to do as much damage as I can and take time to calibrate just right to be dead on.
In the past I had similar thoughts about rewarding bombers pilots for a job well done. Yes currently we get our name up if we manage to shoot down the few guys that come after us at 15 to 20K but that is not the purpose of a bomber. My goal is to blow your strat to ashes so you can't use them while taking as little damage to my planes as possible.
I understand some peoples thoughts on this regarding dweebish factory raids just to help score or the dweebish practice of dive bombing heavy bombers that in reality probably didn't happen, or at least wasn't a common practice.
But I do think those of us that really make an effort to use bombers as they were intended should get some recognition for doing this thing we do so well.
There for I'm going to try to make an equitable proposal for all involved.
What about something like this----
1. You must be above say 15K (modifiable)
2. You must be in bomb sight unless you are in JU's and other bombers with dive capability.
3. Strat factories would be excluded from this as even a sloppy bomb drop could hit a high % of targets. I know some of us wouldn't stoop that low to get our name on the board but I feel a good majority would. I would like to be able to include factories but it's just to easy of a target most times. This would be to keep the text buffer free from the dweeb factory runners.
(Only Field targets/CV's will be counted.)
4. Only runs that score 75% or higher accuracy will be shown (may be adjusted to as needed)
Therefor you should come out with something that looks like this....
SYSTEM:Your name here Scored 85% Accuracy at 17K in a B24J of -------------
Problem: This would probably have to replace the current #of kills message unless you don't drop any bombs (therefor no accuracy %) and just shoot some people down, fly home and land.
But like I said befor the primary purpose of bombers is to bomb not to be big multi engined fighter planes with guns faceing every direction.
Now Hitech/Pyro I don't know how hard a system like this would be to implement and it might not be practical but I hope you give it some serious thought for those of us bomber pilots that are really exelent at what we do.
I know there are those of you that will never be happy with any kind of system like this mainly because you hate people like me that love to fly for 15 to 30 min to splat your hangers to end what looks to me like a fighter stale mate. To you I say I hope to see you in the sight of my tailgun trying to stop me.
:D
Salute all.
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Theres an idea, a message saying "XXXX scored x% accuracy in a B17"
Think of all the fun you could have with the poor suckers who got low %'s. Careful what you wish for! :)
People who hit airfields probably wouldn't be that high, I don't know what the hit zone is around a hangar for example, but most of the bombs usually fall harmlessly on the tarmac.
I would imagine for coding purposes it's gotta be kept simple, either you have it or you don't, not too many parameters.
I'm sort of getting persuaded on this, even though I'm not much of a buffer. Normally if you see me in a buff, you can assume I've been hitting the adult beverages.
I've always thought the guy who gets credit for taking the base should get his name in lights, that would be fun.
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Think of all the fun you could have with the poor suckers who got low %'s. Careful what you wish for!
??? I think I'm missing something here. :)
As for hitting airfields at alt I do it all the time so as not to get caught up in the fighters and make it back home safe. And I can almost always hit what I am aiming at with just the right amout of bombs at almost any alt , it just takes a bit of practice. Though I do admit the higher you go the more dificult thats why I included the Alt in the message but I see your piont. But if this system was put into effect as stated with alt restrictions you would at least know the guy was at a decent bombing alt even if it wasn't in the message.
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I'm sort of getting persuaded on this, even though I'm not much of a buffer. Normally if you see me in a buff, you can assume I've been hitting the adult beverages.
Who hasnt?
I like the idea of XXX has taken AXX w a goon.THATS a great idea.
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Sorry if this has been stated, but I just couldn't stand to read through all 3 pages...
Isn't the issue the fact that no kills are accounted for anywhere for bombers? Air-to-air or air-to-ground kills show in text but are not used at all in scoring. There may not be any historical precedence, but from a players view, it would be another measure to gauge or improve themselves vs. others.
Damage is calculated already so no additional text messages are needed. But if you're going to have kill messages for bombers, shouldn't they be carried forward into scoring?
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Originally posted by kj714
My game handle,hhmmm, here's a clue:
K?7?4
Yeah you've got me before and I believe I may have gotten you too! lol
heh
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kj, what flayed said about the hit % showing up in the buffer was only if it was above a certian percent. So it would exclude when someone got 3% or something near that.
Flayed, I agree with almost everything you say. But, factories would have to be included. With factories included no matter how easy the target, it would support more people bombing the factories then the ever precious FHs. Also it would be easier to implement into the game. I think.
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kj, what flayed said about the hit % showing up in the buffer was only if it was above a certian percent. So it would exclude when someone got 3% or something near that.
Flayed, I agree with almost everything you say. But, factories would have to be included. With factories included no matter how easy the target, it would support more people bombing the factories then the ever precious FHs. Also it would be easier to implement into the game.
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Yes Bluej1 I started thinking more on this after I posted and I think your right. The alt restriction and bombsight only bombing might be enough to cut down on some dweeb factory runners.
This could make up for some interesing bomber VS fighter action. Maybe you would get more people flying bombers higher than 3k off the deck trying to get their name in lights. You fighter guys wanna stop us bombers from from cluttering up your precious text buffer then get your interceptors up to 15k and above and stop us. :)
I'm likeing this more and more if I got more fighters comeing after me on my bomb runs then maybe I might concider taking a gunner on more often as it is there are so few people trying to intercept me that I ususally can do both with little to no problem.
I'll keep thinking on this and thanks for your feedback.
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"kj, what flayed said about the hit % showing up in the buffer was only if it was above a certian percent. So it would exclude when someone got 3% or something near that."
Naaah, you can't throw that out, to be acceptable it's gotta be fair game for ch. 200.
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Originally posted by Rolex
Air-to-air or air-to-ground kills show in text but are not used at all in scoring.
If I understand the scoring correctly, kills are scored for bombers, in bomber mode, when the kills are from ordnance. ie, drop bombs on a cv with planes on the deck, hit 3, 3 kills in buffer, 3 kills in scoring. However, the gun position kills do not carry into scoring. AFAIK, except for the listing of Gun, Ship or Field kills in the Kill Stats, gun position kills don't really count for much at all in scoring. This could be because all of the gun positions, with the exception of the 8" on a cruiser, are, ideally, purely defensive weaponry. It could also be simply because HT didn't feel that it needed to be tallied in score.
Also, in the planes with an option for attack mode (il2, tbm, val, a20 etc [planes with fixed forward firing guns fired only by the pilot]) a2a and a2g kills will be scored if the sortie was scored under attack mode. B26 is currently an odd bird in that it has fixed guns but no attack mode available. This may be due to the fact it's a formation bomber- I don't really know.
Don't mean to sidetrack the whine, just thought I'd point that out.
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The kills are listed, but not used in calculating the ranking. The only raw non-ratio data used in ranking is captures.
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Some thoughts.... First, I'm not really sure what percentage of people who play this game are concerned with scores and rankings??? I assume fighter pilots might be more inclinded...but speaking for my self (bomber pilot) rank and score really mean nothing....I am not one to say the Fighter furballers or the land grabbin Bomber pilots are right or wrong.....its just an interesting duality that exsists in the game...It is this paradox that really is the catalysis for (TEAM PLAY) whether by design or not. Yes I try to communicate with my team at every base ......every base is a differeent story it seems.....I try to help out the fighter jocks ....and I appreciate in turn when they help me out .
Really the lack of understanding respect and positivity and gamemanship is a much bigger drain on the game then this issue.
and respected to all friends and enemies
999000
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I dont care one bit about scores and crap, I just want to kill people and blow stuff up
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Originally posted by 999000
Some thoughts.... First, I'm not really sure what percentage of people who play this game are concerned with scores and rankings??? I assume fighter pilots might be more inclinded...but speaking for my self (bomber pilot) rank and score really mean nothing....I am not one to say the Fighter furballers or the land grabbin Bomber pilots are right or wrong.....its just an interesting duality that exsists in the game...It is this paradox that really is the catalysis for (TEAM PLAY) whether by design or not. Yes I try to communicate with my team at every base ......every base is a differeent story it seems.....I try to help out the fighter jocks ....and I appreciate in turn when they help me out .
Really the lack of understanding respect and positivity and gamemanship is a much bigger drain on the game then this issue.
and respected to all friends and enemies
999000
The king of buffr's speaks!
and as always is the "Voice of Reason and Civility"
999!
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Originally posted by Pyro
You guys who like to complain about suicide buffs are hypocrites to be hijacking this thread. You really have a beef with a buff pilot getting recognition for landing their sortie rather than augering it in? Brilliant!
To elaborate on my original query, the problem is not so much with doing it but with how to do it. I don't see the suggestion to list what he destroyed as viable. We could have a really long message like:
Server: Pyro landed 2 Hangars, 3 Factories, 2 Fuel Depots,
Server: a barracks, 3 acks, 2 churches, an orphanage, 2 brothels,
Server: 6 sheep, and a chicken, in a B-17.
OTOH, if you make the messages generic then that will probably prompt some people to focus on softer targets more.
I knew that you were hording the sheep! And you have NEVER let us in on the brothels or chickens. Where are they!? We demand answers!
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Originally posted by kj714
you get your name in lights right?
If buffers are going to get building kills what about jabo's and vehicle's brick n mortar victories?
Good point. I hadn't thought of that aspect.
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If buffers are going to get building kills what about jabo's and vehicle's brick n mortar victories?
The thing I see with this is jabo's are still fighters. Yes I know they are scoring as attack but I see people hang around long after they drop thier bombs to get some kills so the origanal kill message still works well for them. As for Vehicles your jokeing right? How hard is it to point a gun at something and shoot, not alot of skill there.
I'm talking about the guys willing to take the time to get to a good level bombing alt and using the bomb sight hit what they are aiming at. Only those with the highest bombing accuracy would have anything show in text.
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All I know is that this thread is pointless, what I want to know about is where are the Chickens !!!:eek:
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Why not only award a text buffer "name in lights" ONLY for objects destroyed on a town? Say:
Server: Vudak destroyed 20% of A10 Town.
if it says this the teams town getting killed would know another team is killing the town for a goon. it would make it harder to catch baces
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Actually that would tell the world things that the enemy wouldnt want you to know. As it is now we rely on other guys to give us an estimate of the town status. If it reported the status globally , or even on his country's channel, all the mystery would be lost.
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There is nothing finer than watching the shell casings dissappear into the sky as i blaze some dummie in a fighter tryin too come after me.
Fly too the base at 15-K,Take out the VH,Ordnance,fighter hangers,and the town.The drop down too a lower alt and get the fighters too come after you.
Sometimes you survive,sometimes you don't.
But it's still F.U.N.,That's why it's called aGAME .
And by the way,where did Ack get that flag from,nice of him too share his things with others,Awwwwwww:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Pyro
You guys who like to complain about suicide buffs are hypocrites to be hijacking this thread. You really have a beef with a buff pilot getting recognition for landing their sortie rather than augering it in? Brilliant!
To elaborate on my original query, the problem is not so much with doing it but with how to do it. I don't see the suggestion to list what he destroyed as viable. We could have a really long message like:
Server: Pyro landed 2 Hangars, 3 Factories, 2 Fuel Depots,
Server: a barracks, 3 acks, 2 churches, an orphanage, 2 brothels,
Server: 6 sheep, and a chicken, in a B-17.
OTOH, if you make the messages generic then that will probably prompt some people to focus on softer targets more.
The easiest solution would be a message like this:
Server: Pyro landed xx.xx Tons of damage in a B-17
or
Server: Pyro landed xx.xx Tons in a B-17
The damage points have to equal a certain amount of bomb weight, right? This seems like a simple way to display it without using points in the text buffer.
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Why not just leave the frickin thing the way it is?
Life is that much lacking that you need recognition in a game showing how many buildings you've just killed?
3 pages. :aok
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Originally posted by Morpheus
Why not just leave the frickin thing the way it is?
Life is that much lacking that you need recognition in a game showing how many buildings you've just killed?
3 pages. :aok
Hi Morph,
If a fighter pilot is doing his job right, he lands kills. Why shouldnt a bomber pilot who is doing his job get a simple recognition for damage in tonnage? There should be a minimum amount for this also, say maybe 2 tons?. That would be 8x 500 lb hits.
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Originally posted by Pyro
2 brothels, 6 sheep, and a chicken, in a B-17.
No one would destroy a brothel in AH, he would successfully kill 90% of the players in the main arena, both friendly and enemy :rofl
Landed a chicken............:rofl :rofl :rofl Bock Bock
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Guys....is it really all that big a deal? BlueJ is my squaddie. I would like him or any other Buff driver to be recognized for thier job well done.
I'm a furballer deluxe. I have no want to fly buffs at all anymore. I don't give 2 rats butts about captuing land either. I listen to the rants of the Toolshedders. Most of the time I just keep yanking and banking. I also don't want them screwing up my furball either. Keep the war in their area so to speak and leave my yanking and banking fun alone. Thing is...they do deserve a WTG from their fellow buffers just like us furballers do. I think thats all they are looking for. Or at least it seems to me thats all its about.
Is it so bad that they get it?
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There is no place for bombers in this game.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
There is no place for bombers in this game.
zOMFG!1!!one!! AHAHHAHAHAHAH, INCOMING!!@!#!#!
There's some real stink on this 1
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Can't we all just get along!
Don't be a buffer bigot. :)
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Originally posted by Morpheus
There is no place for bombers in this game.
Nice way to bait the hook morph.
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Jump in early get out late............
Lock down in 3.......2.........1..........IN
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There is no place for bombers in this game
this game is based on WW2 flight and vehicles.
The war was won in Europe by heavy bombers.
One of the main reasons historians say Hitler lost his war is because he chose too not pursue a Heavy Bomber.
If you act now Morph,you can change being a complete Dumb*** for the rest of your feeble little life.
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I stand fast.
Bombers, no place here.
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Originally posted by Ted Strykker
There is no place for bombers in this game
this game is based on WW2 flight and vehicles.
The war was won in Europe by heavy bombers.
One of the main reasons historians say Hitler lost his war is because he chose too not pursue a Heavy Bomber.
If you act now Morph,you can change being a complete Dumb*** for the rest of your feeble little life.
Beg to differ, and there have been many threads here in this subject, but the war was won, like every other war was won, by boots on the ground.
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Had it not been for the Heavy Allied bombers constantly bombing german fuel refinery's,and ammo factory's the german armour would have ran over and killed those boots on the ground.
Alot of Men lost thier lives defending and riding in those bombers.
Only fitting they have a place in this GAME.
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Yeah, the bombers did one hell of a job. Kind of strange though how Germany's war production actually increased instead of decrease due to all the bombing.
Now if you really want to split hairs, Germany sealed her fate when she invaded the Soviet Union and failed to capture the Caucasus with its vast oil resources.
ack-ack
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I got one daddy, what do I do with it? Can we take it home?
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Seriously funny stuff. :lol
Like RedTop I don't really care either way BUT my only fear is more text in buffer = more lag.
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Only if you promise to clean up after it and feed it.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by DipStick
Seriously funny stuff. :lol
Like RedTop I don't really care either way BUT my only fear is more text in buffer = more lag.
Didn't think about the lag thing. Good Point.
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My text buffer at peak hours is already moving fast enough where I have to hit ~ to keep up. Doubt someone landing something every now and then is gona make a difference.
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Ever think that this might give bomber pilots more encouragement to land rather than suicide diving lancs?
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Now if you really want to split hairs, Germany sealed her fate when she invaded the Soviet Union and failed to capture the Caucasus with its vast oil resources.
ack-ack
Germany sealed it's fate when they allowed Hitler to take over.
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Originally posted by Shane
Germany sealed it's fate when they allowed Hitler to take over.
Now THAT's a realistic statement.
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so the same can be said for Saddam.