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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: FiLtH on August 04, 2005, 12:13:57 AM
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Tonight a couple Rooks moaned about the FHs going down, while others had been trying to capture it.
I had been there 2 flights earlier in a fighter..and we werent getting it done. The FHs were left up and the enemy just kept upping.
If you dont want the FHs down either go to the next base in line and cap that to take the heat off the one thats trying to be captured, goto another area altogether, goto the DA, or be happy with what you got and play along with the rest of us, playing the game according to its design.
I dont play this game to appease you. I know you dont try to appease me..so from now on if you havent got anything good to say..say nothing at all.
Dont rely on vulching for all your kills. Im all done bombing for Rookland for awhile. Getting hooked up with the crew I was around tonight left a bad taste in my mouth.
Look out now! Im coming to steal your kills. :/
(Normally dont post when angry...this is why)
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I give it a 5. Your weak spot was this:
I dont play this game to appease you. I know you dont try to appease me..so from now on if you havent got anything good to say..say nothing at all.
You see, you have nothing good to say here so....
Maybe those guys fighting wanted the enemy to up. Maybe they were having fun furballin? It could easily be said "let us furball, go do your land grab somewhere else" I like the venom and genuine digust you put into the post though. Also, how many is a couple(yes I know it's 2 but people generalize) So was it just 2, or was it more? Less? And finally, this has been around since flight sims began. The great land grab/furball debate. In choosing to tackle this massive debate you need something new and fresh, not the old "I hate you, you hate me" routine. Other than that, it was good. Spelling looks correct, clear and to the point. You just left to many loose ends for it to be a great whine.
BTW....IN
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First off I wasnt whining..I was b****ing.
Secondly by saying "If you havent anything good to say, say nothing at all" I dont see where thats saying anything hateful.
Thirdly if by rare occurance fighters started a fight at a base without a prelude bomber strike attracting attention, and bombers showed up...please say we are just furballing here...make it known...LOUDLY...on text. I know if that happened Id gladly leave to more productive areas.
But most times the people chirp in, in the middle of a base capture try, expecting the bomber to only kill the ack and vh, and any GVs that might endanger their vulching attempts.
So my advice..stake a claim on a base, preferably not in a main attack lane, something off to the side, announce it on text that its off limits to bombers. Then if bombers disregard your request...blaze away at him.
Oh and thanks for scoring my post..its important to me.
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Originally posted by FiLtH
Tonight a couple Rooks moaned about the FHs going down, while others had been trying to capture it.
I had been there 2 flights earlier in a fighter..and we werent getting it done. The FHs were left up and the enemy just kept upping.
If you dont want the FHs down either go to the next base in line and cap that to take the heat off the one thats trying to be captured, goto another area altogether, goto the DA, or be happy with what you got and play along with the rest of us, playing the game according to its design.
I dont play this game to appease you. I know you dont try to appease me..so from now on if you havent got anything good to say..say nothing at all.
Dont rely on vulching for all your kills. Im all done bombing for Rookland for awhile. Getting hooked up with the crew I was around tonight left a bad taste in my mouth.
Look out now! Im coming to steal your kills. :/
(Normally dont post when angry...this is why)
Happens all the time. Fly your way. It's your nickel.
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the BK is spreading his views....someone shut him up NOW :mad:
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Originally posted by FiLtH
First off I wasnt whining..I was b****ing.
Secondly by saying "If you havent anything good to say, say nothing at all" I dont see where thats saying anything hateful.
Thirdly if by rare occurance fighters started a fight at a base without a prelude bomber strike attracting attention, and bombers showed up...please say we are just furballing here...make it known...LOUDLY...on text. I know if that happened Id gladly leave to more productive areas.
But most times the people chirp in, in the middle of a base capture try, expecting the bomber to only kill the ack and vh, and any GVs that might endanger their vulching attempts.
So my advice..stake a claim on a base, preferably not in a main attack lane, something off to the side, announce it on text that its off limits to bombers. Then if bombers disregard your request...blaze away at him.
Oh and thanks for scoring my post..its important to me.
I was going to say something but you just about covered it.:) Filth
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Originally posted by FuBaR
the BK is spreading his views....someone shut him up NOW :mad:
Sorry sir:(
BTW Filth I was just messin with you. I pretty much feel how Savage feels, to each his own. You gonna get people who aren't into what you want to do...oh well. I was just tryin to help you vent:p
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he called me sir *tear of joy*
Now shut up and be a good submissive BK. :aok
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Thats ok Super...Im just still wound up over it. Theres so many names in here I lose track who I think is serious and who isnt.
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Hehe, you think some of us are serious??? :D
Sucker!:lol
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Originally posted by FiLtH
Tonight a couple Rooks moaned about the FHs going down, while others had been trying to capture it.
I had been there 2 flights earlier in a fighter..and we werent getting it done. The FHs were left up and the enemy just kept upping.
If you dont want the FHs down either go to the next base in line and cap that to take the heat off the one thats trying to be captured, goto another area altogether, goto the DA, or be happy with what you got and play along with the rest of us, playing the game according to its design.
I dont play this game to appease you. I know you dont try to appease me..so from now on if you havent got anything good to say..say nothing at all.
Dont rely on vulching for all your kills. Im all done bombing for Rookland for awhile. Getting hooked up with the crew I was around tonight left a bad taste in my mouth.
Look out now! Im coming to steal your kills. :/
(Normally dont post when angry...this is why)
Why go to the next base and cap when they can get easy vulches?
Feel for ya.
Nothing like trying to help and getting kicked in the mouth for it.
This is one of the reasons our squad left Rookland, did the same thing got a lot of abuse for it, easy solution, now Bish (we need all the help we can get, good or bad ;) )
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What is the point of killing any hangars in a forward base? I understand destroying the VH as the flaks can give you serious trouble if they have numbers.
Just level the city and drop in the goons and you have a functional base. It is no point of capturing a base that is bombed to pieces IMO.
It is more clever to bomb FHs down from a second line base as these will give trouble to the low vulchers and BHs from distant bases where the bombers normally start from.
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my personal preference would be VH, town then if need be FH's. Unfortunately though if there are guys that want to take the base and guys that just want to "furball" (vulch) there, eventually the "furballers" run out of bullets facing the superior odds of planes upping with wheels still on deck then RTB and the guys that like the land grab aspect are left with a ton of nme....I think we have all seen a capped base 1 minute then 5 minutes later no one left there and they are otw to our closest base. I like to land grab from time to time and vulching is fun anytime:p
Filth, screw the guys that don't like it. Maybe Hoarach had a point when he asked for a "furball island" on every map then the guys that just want to furball would have a place to go.
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Originally posted by DaPup
Maybe Hoarach had a point when he asked for a "furball island" on every map then the guys that just want to furball would have a place to go.
Amen to that but please don't confuse furballing with vulching. They are two entirely different sports.
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Dipstick, I understand the difference but I was really referring to the guys directly over a base struggling to get to the upping plane before the other 10 guys can get him:) I like the fighter part of this game more than anything, if you couldn't take bases it wouldn't matter to me...but that's not how the game is set up.
DaPup
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If the vulch is in full swing (as mentioned with CAPers fighting each other for table scraps), then any enemies that try to up are going to fail. I 'think" I know which event is being described here, last night we had a nice furball going on that the rooks slowly got the upper hand on, to the point of the enemy base being completely CAPed. The town was down, the goon was on the way, and with the goon less than 5 minutes out some hero showed up in a bomber and plastered the FHs. At that point there was NO FURBALL, just a very heavy CAP. Can't even call it a vulch, there was one newb who would try to up every 45 seconds or so and usually got whacked before he hit 20mph, by the dozen or so friendlies.
It might have been I who disgusted you, I said something like "why did you have to do that?". To which someone said "no FHs no fighters", to which I said "nonody was getting airborne here, if you want to prevent them from upping head to the next base in line, THAT'S where they're coming from". I also mentioned that since we had GVs in the town and a goon on the way we might need the FHs for the next hop. Someone said they'd be up by the time we captured the base. Well, two minutes later the base was ours and all FHs along our coast were down, our drive into enemy territory was stopped.
Now, I could care less about taking a base or having the "Offensive" stopped. But for those who enjoy the land grab I wish more power to them, I am glad that they can enjoy their game as well. I just have to question the strategerie of killing FHs at a base where no enemies are upping (and one that is about to become ours) and ingoring the FHs at bases where they are rolling from. If the war-winning and base-capture/land-grab is your thing fine, but think about what your next target will be and make sure you don't pork your current target so hard that you cannot use it when you get it.
I don't know for sure if we are speaking of the same event or not, if not I am sorry for hijacking the whine/biatch thread. Dropping the FHs at a furball is another topic entirely from the one I am describing.
By the way, the FHs were down over 10 minutes after the base was ours and thirty minutes later our offensive got back underway.
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Wow, you have it easy FiLtH, I was called many colorful names when I "retired from de-acking fields". You see, I would go to a field de-ack, Odd and the rest rest of the CAF that were on would get the hangers, I would auger and roll a Goon. CAF would capture a field. Rinse, repeat.
But as I noticed, as did my squaddies, others would "come along" to just vulch. So we'd move to a different front and do the same thing. Finally, I'd had enough as did my squaddies, you'll notice Odd is a lot more calm today becuase of it.
BTW Rookland, if I see a hanger up, and I have ord., that ord is going on it (if it comes to capturing or not capturing it). Go ahead and get pissed, I'll bring more till you guys zip it.
Karaya
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Originally posted by Edbert
If the vulch is in full swing (as mentioned with CAPers fighting each other for table scraps), then any enemies that try to up are going to fail. I 'think" I know which event is being described here, last night we had a nice furball going on that the rooks slowly got the upper hand on, to the point of the enemy base being completely CAPed. The town was down, the goon was on the way, and with the goon less than 5 minutes out some hero showed up in a bomber and plastered the FHs. At that point there was NO FURBALL, just a very heavy CAP. Can't even call it a vulch, there was one newb who would try to up every 45 seconds or so and usually got whacked before he hit 20mph, by the dozen or so friendlies.
It might have been I who disgusted you, I said something like "why did you have to do that?". To which someone said "no FHs no fighters", to which I said "nonody was getting airborne here, if you want to prevent them from upping head to the next base in line, THAT'S where they're coming from". I also mentioned that since we had GVs in the town and a goon on the way we might need the FHs for the next hop. Someone said they'd be up by the time we captured the base. Well, two minutes later the base was ours and all FHs along our coast were down, our drive into enemy territory was stopped.
Now, I could care less about taking a base or having the "Offensive" stopped. But for those who enjoy the land grab I wish more power to them, I am glad that they can enjoy their game as well. I just have to question the strategerie of killing FHs at a base where no enemies are upping (and one that is about to become ours) and ingoring the FHs at bases where they are rolling from. If the war-winning and base-capture/land-grab is your thing fine, but think about what your next target will be and make sure you don't pork your current target so hard that you cannot use it when you get it.
I don't know for sure if we are speaking of the same event or not, if not I am sorry for hijacking the whine/biatch thread. Dropping the FHs at a furball is another topic entirely from the one I am describing.
By the way, the FHs were down over 10 minutes after the base was ours and thirty minutes later our offensive got back underway.
Great post Edbert.
That's the thing really, the guys in this for the strategy don't have much. Taking down the FHs at a base that is completely capped while the town is still up is quite like extending 6k then turning around for a HO run. It's pointless, tactless, and a buzz kill.
And anyone that thinks the entire reason people get upset about the FHs going down is because all we want to do is vulch is mistaken. We want to have something to shoot, period. If the enemy is willing to keep upping in numbers there, great, maybe a few will get off the ground, then a few more, and challenge us. What we don't want is to be jumped from enemies at the next base over who were previously perfectly content to take their chances at the capped base, but now have no choice but to up further away and climb above us.
Seriously, if you want to "help" by taking out the FHs, take them out at the surrounding bases, not the one where you already have fighter support that's working toward a CAP... Or on a field that you want to launch from against the next one in an effort to "win teh war".
Filth hope you don't take this as directed against you, I see what you are saying about bad attitudes, but come on...
On a related note, I've never heard anyone whine about the fight being stopped because "oh man, why'd you losers go and capture this field!?!?!" (unless of course it was center island).
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Know how you feel bud, happens to me and the 31st all the time in bish land. Though it is fun to furball, i like to take bases. Onew of the only things i like about furballing is when there is a giant furball, there is less planes and resources to defend other bases. <
> FiLtH!
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Edbert it was'nt you.
I dont know if I can get some of you to understand where Im coming from on this, but here goes.
Gooning is not fun.
If no one on our team did it, we'd never capture a map.
You have to goon once in awhile to understand that. For a guy to willingly grab a goon, he has to be either new, in between deciding what he wants to do for the night, or he trusts the others he's flying with to have the town flat, and the enemy planes gone. It doesnt take many trips of getting shot down to say "Screw you guys..Im goin haime."
I can't count the times where someone has said "Leave up the FH..we've got it CAPPED!"..only to see them slowly get whittled down as the endless enemy re-ups, and those left retire with their scalps 2 minutes before the goon arrives. Seriously..you have to goon awhile to see this is very common. The fighter guys rtb with kills, the bombers wasted a couple trips bombing a base that wont get captured, and the goon just plain wasted his time. Its aggravating.
When I attack a base...I go for the town first. Town bldgs are down alot longer than the hangers are. Until the town is flat, hitting the hangers is pointless. However after the town is flat, and a goon is otw, if the enemy is upping in strength, the hangers are the next target. Including the VH. Not to protect vulchers, but to keep gvs from heading to town.
The fighters role is to gain air superiority "over" the target. This means at the start of the attack, allowing the bombers through to drop the town. If they can't keep the enemy down, then the bombers will help them. But their job doesnt stop at that base. Many should be otw to the next base to intercept planes. Other than leaving hangers up and losing control, the second reason goons die is because everyone ended up 50ft over the base vulching, while the enemy comes in at 10k from the adjacent base, free to control the skies.
Hangers are down for such a short period of time, that it effects matters very little. It does make that small difference though allowing more of our guys to arrive on station to maintain a cap, or for the goon to make it in. Strats should never be an offensive target. They stay down too long. Thats only for defensive fighting trying to slow an enemy down.
I suggest some of you guys try gooning for a couple weeks from time to time, and give your honest opinion on leaving FHs up when there isnt enough of a horde to completely cap that field.
PS Vudak..I hear it a few times a week. It depends who Im flying around I think.
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Originally posted by Charge
What is the point of killing any hangars in a forward base? I understand destroying the VH as the flaks can give you serious trouble if they have numbers.
Just level the city and drop in the goons and you have a functional base. It is no point of capturing a base that is bombed to pieces IMO.
It is more clever to bomb FHs down from a second line base as these will give trouble to the low vulchers and BHs from distant bases where the bombers normally start from.
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You don't do a lot of base captures, do you? I mean, from what I am reading here, you obviously aren't in it for the capture the flag game, are you?
'Cause you really don't seem to make a lot of sense. Just sayin'...
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Originally posted by FiLtH
The fighters role is to gain air superiority "over" the target. This means at the start of the attack, allowing the bombers through to drop the town. If they can't keep the enemy down, then the bombers will help them. But their job doesnt stop at that base. Many should be otw to the next base to intercept planes. Other than leaving hangers up and losing control, the second reason goons die is because everyone ended up 50ft over the base vulching, while the enemy comes in at 10k from the adjacent base, free to control the skies.
True, fighters should be headed off to the next field, but when you check the map and see no significant darbar at the next field, while the current one is an inferno, you're going to stay for the inferno.
Hangers are down for such a short period of time, that it effects matters very little.
15 minutes is more than adequate time for everyone else to pick a new base, up, climb, and intercept the bomber/goon/whatever you like. It's far easier to get the goon if you can fly over everyone instead of through them.
I suggest some of you guys try gooning for a couple weeks from time to time, and give your honest opinion on leaving FHs up when there isnt enough of a horde to completely cap that field.
If there are not enough guys to cap a field, take them down, of course. What my complaint is when we do have a steady supply of reinforcements and a good strength to compete with anything they can up.
I've been at bases where there are only 6-7 guys (including bomber, goon, etc) working on and see what you're saying as far as people leaving to land. That can be detrimental. But I've also been at bases where there have been 30 people coming and going and the FHs are still taken down. The base isn't taken for over four hours, but the FH's are still taken down repeatedly.
That is what gets me going, not the 6-7 guys.
You had to be on two nights ago at A8 to see what I am talking about, I guess.
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Originally posted by rshubert
You don't do a lot of base captures, do you? I mean, from what I am reading here, you obviously aren't in it for the capture the flag game, are you?
'Cause you really don't seem to make a lot of sense. Just sayin'...
No offense Shubie, REALLY, but can you elaborate on what is wrong with that strategy? I sounds reasonable to me, particularly with the second line part, maybe the rear bases is a bit much though.
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Originally posted by Vudak
True, fighters should be headed off to the next field, but when you check the map and see no significant darbar at the next field, while the current one is an inferno, you're going to stay for the inferno.
15 minutes is more than adequate time for everyone else to pick a new base, up, climb, and intercept the bomber/goon/whatever you like. It's far easier to get the goon if you can fly over everyone instead of through them.
You just put your foot in your mouth. You see, the "base capture" guys need you to go over and cap the other field, but you won't, since you prefer clubbing baby seals at the base under attack. YOU say that 15 min is plenty of time for the defenders to up at a different field, and you are correct. Frankly, the guys who mess up my missions most often come from another base. They're the smart ones.
But you can't do both things, can you? Cap two fields? There aren't enough guys to do that. So, we make it impossible for suiciders to up from the base under attack, with the intention of 'spoiling' our capture.
It's really pretty simple.
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Originally posted by Edbert
No offense Shubie, REALLY, but can you elaborate on what is wrong with that strategy? I sounds reasonable to me, particularly with the second line part, maybe the rear bases is a bit much though.
This part right here:
"True, fighters should be headed off to the next field, but when you check the map and see no significant darbar at the next field, while the current one is an inferno, you're going to stay for the inferno. "
It's short sighted. "dude" can up from the next field, swing in and kill the goon, and ruin our capture. All because the l33t fiter pilit cannot be bothered to do something that requires thinking ahead.
He stays at the base under attack, clubbing baby seals ( a bk copyright, i think) while the base capture falls apart.
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Your text I quoted was a reply to a different post (not Vudak's). The poster suggested killing FHs at neighboring fields as opposed to the one where capture was imminent, it is a sound strategy to me, and I was really interested in hearing what was wrong with it.
Also, what's up with the BK shot, I mean where did THAT come from?
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Wow, you have it easy FiLtH, I was called many colorful names when I "retired from de-acking fields". You see, I would go to a field de-ack, Odd and the rest rest of the CAF that were on would get the hangers, I would auger and roll a Goon. CAF would capture a field. Rinse, repeat.
But as I noticed, as did my squaddies, others would "come along" to just vulch. So we'd move to a different front and do the same thing. Finally, I'd had enough as did my squaddies, you'll notice Odd is a lot more calm today becuase of it.
BTW Rookland, if I see a hanger up, and I have ord., that ord is going on it (if it comes to capturing or not capturing it). Go ahead and get pissed, I'll bring more till you guys zip it.
Karaya
Silly question: You stoped deacking fields and your friends killing the FHs because other people came with to vulch planes upping from the downed FH? And then some people called you names because you retired from killing ack and augering?
:lol
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Originally posted by FiLtH
Tonight a couple Rooks moaned about the FHs going down, while others had been trying to capture it.
I had been there 2 flights earlier in a fighter..and we werent getting it done. The FHs were left up and the enemy just kept upping.
If you dont want the FHs down either go to the next base in line and cap that to take the heat off the one thats trying to be captured, goto another area altogether, goto the DA, or be happy with what you got and play along with the rest of us, playing the game according to its design.
I dont play this game to appease you. I know you dont try to appease me..so from now on if you havent got anything good to say..say nothing at all.
Dont rely on vulching for all your kills. Im all done bombing for Rookland for awhile. Getting hooked up with the crew I was around tonight left a bad taste in my mouth.
Look out now! Im coming to steal your kills. :/
(Normally dont post when angry...this is why)
I am with you on this on Filth... I was there in an IL-2's and 110's trying to keep GV's & Buildings down. All I heard when the hangers were dropped was whining about them going down and now they can't vulch and all that crap.... I was there for almost 2 hours dinking around because the Rooks wouldn't flatten the place and capture it. Finally they did after two sets of bombers came in and flattened the place thank god! And I shouldn't have left a bad tast in your mouth...I shower!! :rofl
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Originally posted by dedalos
Silly question: You stoped deacking fields and your friends killing the FHs because other people came with to vulch planes upping from the downed FH? And then some people called you names because you retired from killing ack and augering?
:lol
The fact is you go to bases to capture them... not to sit and vulch for 2 hours, isn't the point of AH to win earch war, move to another map and do it again. Besides, if you de-ack a field, it is kind of easier to keep a cap on the filed, don't you think. If a squad comes in to take it, don't whine because the hangers go flat and you lose all those "kills" you worked so hard to get.... The CAF has done thier fair share of flattening bases so it is an easy capture for the Rooks. The CAF works as a Squad and we organize it, that is why we are successful when we fly together and other squads as well. Now take your pink purse, go home and make some pie....
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There is a difference between dropping the FH's at a base that is close to capture, and a set of buffs coming in at 35k and taking them out at a base where a good fight is coming from. If I'm with some guys working for a capture, I'll be the first one to say "take down the FH as long as the VH goes first". It's a smart thing to do.
I'll also be one of the first ones to let out a string of profanity (at home to myself, not over VOX or in text) when some looser drops the FH at a base that is part of a good furball.
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Originally posted by Edbert
Your text I quoted was a reply to a different post (not Vudak's). The poster suggested killing FHs at neighboring fields as opposed to the one where capture was imminent, it is a sound strategy to me, and I was really interested in hearing what was wrong with it.
Also, what's up with the BK shot, I mean where did THAT come from?
The problem with killing FHs at neighboring fields, while leaving FHs up at target field is dilution of force. Any tactics guy will tell you that one of the most important principles in battle is to concentrate your forces.
Say there are three (typical) fields within 30 miles of the target field. I have to split off heavies (of some sort) to take out at least three FHs at each field in order to get the fighters down. That's nine guys, at least, if there is no opposition. Even if they are successful, they'r now 25-30 miles out of position, and not available to kill stuff at the target base, or cover the goon. I don't usually get enough of a response (outside my squaddies adn some other squads) to missions, since most players generally like to furball and defend. Usually, 15 in a mission is a good number. With your method, I need nine more, or 24. Can't usually get that many.
And the BK shot is a comment on your squad's well-known and often repeated propensity to concentrate on air-to-air (furballing) aspect of the game, and your also well-known and often repeated disdain for anyone that disagrees with your position. If the shoe fits, wear it.
shubie
Birds of Prey XO
Birds of Prey 69th Peregrines Squadron CO
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ANDDDDD HEEEEREEE COMEEEES THE FUNNN POLIIIIIICE!!!!
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And the BK shot is a comment on your squad's well-known and often repeated propensity to concentrate on air-to-air (furballing) aspect of the game, and your also well-known and often repeated disdain for anyone that disagrees with your position. If the shoe fits, wear it.
You really have no clue as to what our position is.
The position and resulting distain is when a good furball is going full bore, and there is no threat of capture to either of the opposing bases, and some hero(s) who can't find their arse with both hands when it comes to dogfighting decide that its in everybody's best interest to make suicide JABO runs to knock all the FHs out at the opposing field.
The distain is also a double-edged sword ... distain for the opposing players idiocy and also towards fellow countrymen that shut down the furball by destroying the enemy's FHs.
If that is the shoe in your hand ... then I will gladly put it on.
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Originally posted by Furball
ANDDDDD HEEEEREEE COMEEEES THE FUNNN POLIIIIIICE!!!!
Predictable. Any time anyone states a logical case that contrasts with your world view on how AH should be played, you furballers either go for the throat on a personal level, or heap disdain upon the person making the case.
Typical.
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Originally posted by ChristCAF
The fact is you go to bases to capture them... not to sit and vulch for 2 hours, isn't the point of AH to win earch war, move to another map and do it again. Besides, if you de-ack a field, it is kind of easier to keep a cap on the filed, don't you think. If a squad comes in to take it, don't whine because the hangers go flat and you lose all those "kills" you worked so hard to get.... The CAF has done thier fair share of flattening bases so it is an easy capture for the Rooks. The CAF works as a Squad and we organize it, that is why we are successful when we fly together and other squads as well. Now take your pink purse, go home and make some pie....
ok, I read it three times to make sure I understand it. What does anything you wrote have to do with my comments :confused: A guy said he stoped de-acking cause other people would follow to vulch planes upping from the FH his squadies were dropping. I thought it was funny and a joke between two guys that fought against and next to eachother for over 2 years in this game. Who the heck are you, the CAF, and what are you talking about?
When you are done with your buildings meet me somewhere above 0K alt and bring a few squadies with. I'll bake some pie for all of you :lol
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Originally posted by SlapShot
And the BK shot is a comment on your squad's well-known and often repeated propensity to concentrate on air-to-air (furballing) aspect of the game, and your also well-known and often repeated disdain for anyone that disagrees with your position. If the shoe fits, wear it.
You really have no clue as to what our position is.
The position and resulting distain is when a good furball is going full bore, and there is no threat of capture to either of the opposing bases, and some hero(s) who can't find their arse with both hands when it comes to dogfighting decide that its in everybody's best interest to make suicide JABO runs to knock all the FHs out at the opposing field.
The distain is also a double-edged sword ... distain for the opposing players idiocy and also towards fellow countrymen that shut down the furball by destroying the enemy's FHs.
If that is the shoe in your hand ... then I will gladly put it on.
What he said
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You really have no clue as to what our position is.
The position and resulting distain is when a good furball is going full bore, and there is no threat of capture to either of the opposing bases, and some hero(s) who can't find their arse with both hands when it comes to dogfighting decide that its in everybody's best interest to make suicide JABO runs to knock all the FHs out at the opposing field.
The distain is also a double-edged sword ... distain for the opposing players idiocy and also towards fellow countrymen that shut down the furball by destroying the enemy's FHs.
If that is the shoe in your hand ... then I will gladly put it on.
Well, of course I do. You repeat it often enough. Unless your posts are all a very consistent, well planned disinformation campaign EVERYBODY who ever read these boards knows exactly where you are coming from.
You want to furball. You want to do air to air l33t pilit stuf. U r teh hair-on-fire quakmasstr plane killaz.
Well, enjoy. But understand that I get my fun in the game by capturing fields and winning resets. Yes, yes...that is useless activity in your mind. Yes, yes, yessss...I have read it thousands of times over the last three years or so.
A few months ago, I challenged you guys to STOP ME. You couldn't then. You can't work together well enough. You're stuck in the individualist, me-only thumb candy aspect of the game, while those of us who work as a TEAM are exploring the advanced aspects of the game.
Apparently, that is too much thinking for you. Not that there's anything wrong with that...
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Originally posted by rshubert
Well, of course I do. You repeat it often enough. Unless your posts are all a very consistent, well planned disinformation campaign EVERYBODY who ever read these boards knows exactly where you are coming from.
You want to furball. You want to do air to air l33t pilit stuf. U r teh hair-on-fire quakmasstr plane killaz.
Well, enjoy. But understand that I get my fun in the game by capturing fields and winning resets. Yes, yes...that is useless activity in your mind. Yes, yes, yessss...I have read it thousands of times over the last three years or so.
A few months ago, I challenged you guys to STOP ME. You couldn't then. You can't work together well enough. You're stuck in the individualist, me-only thumb candy aspect of the game, while those of us who work as a TEAM are exploring the advanced aspects of the game.
Apparently, that is too much thinking for you. Not that there's anything wrong with that...
"A few months ago, I challenged you guys to STOP ME."
BUWAHAHAHA ... not what I recall ... but go and spin your disinformation.
You need to get over yourself.
I flew with the MAW for 2+ years ... 1 year as the CO of the 3rd MAW ... there isn't anything you or anybody else that could tell me anything new about base capture and winning the war.
We had base capture down to a science and it was a beautiful thing to watch and participate in. When a base was our target ... it was taken 98% of the time ... and it was completely operational after the capture. Most that take base these days are complete amateurs ... they trash the base and if it is captured ... its completely by luck. No coordination at all.
Anyways ... been there ... done that ... got a couple of t-shirts.
I got tired of being a JABO and de-acking expert ... and after the bombs were delivered ... or on my my way to target I got my arse handed to me in dogfights. So I hung up my JABO jock and decided to concentrate more on dogfighting ... now ... I CAN do both if I decide to. I laugh at most base capture attempts nowadays.
Capture all the bases you want ... I could give a rats arse ... just do it with style.
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Originally posted by rshubert
Predictable. Any time anyone states a logical case that contrasts with your world view on how AH should be played, you furballers either go for the throat on a personal level, or heap disdain upon the person making the case.
Typical.
boo hoo
im only joking, lighten up francis.
i like to joke on here, i find it fun. i like fun, i dont really care how these people play the game, apart from when effects me having fun, incase you havent forgotten yet - i like fun and its not fun when someone restricts the fun i am able to have.
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Originally posted by rshubert
A few months ago, I challenged you guys to STOP ME. You couldn't then. You can't work together well enough. You're stuck in the individualist, me-only thumb candy aspect of the game, while those of us who work as a TEAM are exploring the advanced aspects of the game.
With all due respect, i just up at the base which has the most kill prospects. i couldnt give a damn if your little one man milkrunning session takes a base i am not using.
but hey, if you have fun while i have fun then we are all a happy little rainbow flag waving community.
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Originally posted by rshubert
You don't do a lot of base captures, do you? I mean, from what I am reading here, you obviously aren't in it for the capture the flag game, are you?
'Cause you really don't seem to make a lot of sense. Just sayin'...
Actually it sounds like he does do a few of them. He's right, what's the use of capturing a base that is unusable when you get it? There really is no reason to kill some hangers unless you as the attacker are at a numeric disadvantage but as the attacker you shouldn't be in that position, crappy planning if you're out numbered as the attacker. VH, field acks and town. That is all that is needed, use your CAP to keep the defenders in check.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Actually it sounds like he does do a few of them. He's right, what's the use of capturing a base that is unusable when you get it? There really is no reason to kill some hangers unless you as the attacker are at a numeric disadvantage but as the attacker you shouldn't be in that position, crappy planning if you're out numbered as the attacker. VH, field acks and town. That is all that is needed, use your CAP to keep the defenders in check.
ack-ack
STOP MAKING SENSE :rolleyes: Thats BS. The way to take a base is to bring 60 jabos with ya, kill the FH, leave the VH and Town up, and drop troops repeatedly on the runway while asking if the church is still up.
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Y'all are ruining all my fun taking down the VH. :D
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In a perfect world with complete cooperation it would be easy. But we know that doesnt happen in here often. Often times it seems 4-5 guys are actually going for the capture and the rest are along for the ride.
Guys who have gotten burned enough losing a possible capture have lost faith in their teams ability to get the job done so they do the most damage they can to the enemy.
If you think of it without the bombers, the map wouldnt move, and you'd just have a DA. What fun would that be? You have to break a few eggs to make an omelet and all that.
When its all said and done..the bombs will continue to fall. You can choose not to protect the bombers,the bombers can choose to leave up all the ack and VH, and only target FHs. As I said before..those that wish to furball pick a field and announce on text that its off limits to bombers. Just make sure its not a base inline with the flow of the attack. Then if a guy bombs it feel free to yell at him, the rest of us will join in as well.
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It's the 50-50 rule, half are happy half aren't.
If you want to kill em, kill em.
I've been disgusted before to see a hard fought base capture lost because the FH's don't go down, the cap dwindles and all the sudden the nme springs up.
At the same time, it sucks when a defenseless base is suddenly abandoned after everyone lands and .ef's and can't defend.
Out of the two though, situation #1 has happened many more times than situation #2 in my experience.
I think a good rule of thumb is that if you're one of the guys who battled to get the cap established and managed to stay alive doing it or got back over there right quick, you're gonna get some vulch rewards. If you showed up after a cloud of "safety" green has formed over the base, and 10 guys are all diving at once on the one dippy guy who keeps re-upping his A6M relentlessly, well better luck next time.
IMHO, it's usually guy #2 crying about leaving the FH's up.
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If you think of it without the bombers, the map wouldnt move, and you'd just have a DA. What fun would that be? You have to break a few eggs to make an omelet and all that.
I YOU think about it ... not too long ago, HTC create the "its too Uber-Hard to bomb" procedure ... and guess what ... base captures still happened ... and maps still moved.
As I said before..those that wish to furball pick a field and announce on text that its off limits to bombers.
Come on FiLtH ... 30 seconds after that, dozens of buff formations would have lifted and the target would be .... betcha can't guess.
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LOL!
Toolshed warriors see a furball and they get an instant hardon. For them, killing FH's and ruining a perfectly good fight, is for them, on par with taking large doses of viagra.
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Originally posted by rshubert
...while those of us who work as a TEAM are exploring the advanced aspects of the game.
Advanced aspects of the game?
I'm just gonna cut through your obvious B.S. and drivel and give you what you've been craving all this time.
On this day, August 4th, 2005. I hereby award Shubie the Official Tool Shed Warrior's Rainbow Flag of Elite Excellence in the field of Milkrunning and Tool Shed Destruction.
.(http://www.elmhurst.edu/~sage/flag-rainbow.JPG)
Congratulations Shubie, you've earned this through your 'advanced' tool shed killing abilities. You're a credit to tool shed killers everywhere.
ack-ack
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In addition to all that, why when someone says that the FHs should not have been taken down right before a capture you guys make it a "all you want to do is furball" argument? Taking them down before a capture has nothing to do with furballing and a lot with winning the war.
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Originally posted by dedalos
In addition to all that, why when someone says that the FHs should not have been taken down right before a capture you guys make it a "all you want to do is furball" argument? Taking them down before a capture has nothing to do with furballing and a lot with winning the war.
It's called ... truth deflection.
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Originally posted by FiLtH
I can't count the times where someone has said "Leave up the FH..we've got it CAPPED!"..only to see them slowly get whittled down as the endless enemy re-ups, and those left retire with their scalps 2 minutes before the goon arrives. Seriously..you have to goon awhile to see this is very common. The fighter guys rtb with kills, the bombers wasted a couple trips bombing a base that wont get captured, and the goon just plain wasted his time. Its aggravating.
I have over 400 deaths in C47s and over 100 base captures. I, too, can't count the times this exact thing has happened.
Anybody who doesn't care about completely destroying their k/d ratio knows that vulchers will run out of bullets before the defenders will run out of planes. Simple math.
Funny thing about taking down the FHs at these bases... sometimes.. actually, quite often, those with blood lust will move on to the next field hoping to get the defenders rushing in low to get the goons.. which is exactly what is needed for the base capture. Duh.. Herding cats?
So. add me to the hangar banger/milkrunner/ 'insert derogatory egg-laden moniker here' category.
Been there, done that.. use the T-shirt to wax the Jeep.
<.S> Filth. I feel your pain, bro!
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What's with always blaming the bomber guys for dropping the FHs. A single bomber pilot can't do it with our field setup and if the fight lasted so long it held up the front line for the landgrabbers, you know it will happen soon, move on.
I have no sympathy for vultures, furballers yes but not vultures, so Filth go ahead and kill the hangers at any vultched field you see, you have my permission ;) but if a three day furball is still in progress north of A25 on Mindnao, leave em alone please.:lol
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Originally posted by APDrone
I have over 400 deaths in C47s and over 100 base captures. I, too, can't count the times this exact thing has happened.
I'm not saying this to insult you... As I have nowhere near the experience of that many C47 runs... But I've attempted to bring troops to three bases.
I got through all three times. The last one was just last camp. And guess what? The FHs were up for that one, and enemies were flying around.
Of course, I'm not an idiot. I don't fly in a straight line right to the target "hoping" the field will be down by the time I get there. I hang out, under dar, off to the side outside a reasonable vis range, near the town, sure, but not in a direction that anyone is expecting a goon to be.
Then, when "town down" is called, I fly in and drop. Really simple actually. The troops are in the map room a few minutes after the town goes down.
I'm not saying you don't do this - I'm just saying I haven't seen many goons do this... If any.
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And the BK shot is a comment on your squad's well-known and often repeated propensity to concentrate on air-to-air (furballing) aspect of the game, and your also well-known and often repeated disdain for anyone that disagrees with your position. If the shoe fits, wear it.
As a general rule I avoid commenting on any thread generated by a toolshed hero (I could care less about who "wins" the digital dirt land grab. However, I am a bit amazed you'd throw rocks at the BK's....overall as good a bunch of sticks {not just as furballers} as you'll find. Tactical aircombat is the heart and soul of this game...only thing the bases do is help frame the fight.
Sooner or later the sequel to AH will come out....[bulldozers low] and you'll have a game you can really sink your teeth into:)
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Originally posted by humble
Tactical aircombat is the heart and soul of this game...only thing the bases do is help frame the fight.
Everyone, read this statement again and understand what he said.
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Nothing gets done when u post or use range channel in angry. I feel your frustration because i was their with u. Begging my team for over 10 minutes at a59 to kill the last town ack so I can capture it was quite frustrating. Only 2 have one la7 up from a cap field kill both m3's in town. Which happen 2 be you and I in that m3.
Just know this filth, many here including myself will help u capture the field. I hope u continue your bombering and not let the dumb comments that spilled out over range channel stop U.
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"But I've attempted to bring troops to three bases.
I got through all three times"
Correct, you do not have the proper depth of personal experience to draw upon. Do 97 more goon runs and then share your conclusions. Also make sure that many of them are combat situations, not field sneaks.
Not a slam, just saying three runs doesn't really do goon running justice.
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Originally posted by dedalos
ok, I read it three times to make sure I understand it. What does anything you wrote have to do with my comments :confused: A guy said he stoped de-acking cause other people would follow to vulch planes upping from the FH his squadies were dropping. I thought it was funny and a joke between two guys that fought against and next to eachother for over 2 years in this game. Who the heck are you, the CAF, and what are you talking about?
When you are done with your buildings meet me somewhere above 0K alt and bring a few squadies with. I'll bake some pie for all of you :lol
"stoped"? You know dedalos, if you're gonna "attempt" to flame someone, at least spell right.
Furthermore, I enjoy capturing bases, bottom line.
Don't turn this into a "Squad bashing post". I am the C.O. of CAF - Cactus Air Force and Sketch (ChristCAF) is a friend. We're going on 11 years now. Let's keep the squads out of this. I've never uttered an ill-will towards the BK's, and the Lord above knows I like busting Slap's balls on range channel. But, let's show some class, please.
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Karaya
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
"stoped"? You know dedalos, if you're gonna "attempt" to flame someone, at least spell right.
Furthermore, I enjoy capturing bases, bottom line.
Don't turn this into a "Squad bashing post". I am the C.O. of CAF - Cactus Air Force and Sketch (ChristCAF) is a friend. We're going on 11 years now. Let's keep the squads out of this. I've never uttered an ill-will towards the BK's, and the Lord above knows I like busting Slap's balls on range channel. But, let's show some class, please.
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Karaya
Was not flaiming you. Just poking you a little :D. I think we know each other enough to have some fun. As far as the CAF, I just did not make the connection at the time so I was really asking who the CAF is. Did not say anything bad about it. He may be your friend but his most did not make any sense to me.
As far as the spelling goes, this is perfectly correct BBS speling and I did use the official HT 'spel cheeekir' to find any mistakes. It worked just fine :lol
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Originally posted by dedalos
Was not flaiming you. Just poking you a little :D. I think we know each other enough to have some fun. As far as the CAF, I just did not make the connection at the time so I was really asking who the CAF is. Did not say anything bad about it. He may be your friend but his most did not make any sense to me.
As far as the spelling goes, this is perfectly correct BBS speling and I did use the official HT 'spel cheeekir' to find any mistakes. It worked just fine :lol
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yer still a donut though :p
Karaya
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If I fly buffs to a field and find the city flat I guarantee I'll flatten every hanger I can get my sight on, starting with the VH! I have earmuffs! :aok
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I think both "sides" of this age-old argument have valid points. But one detail keeps being overlooked...why drop the FHs at a field that no enemy is upping from when the capture is iminent?
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Always attack a plane with less alt, less E, and less opportunity to manouver than you have.
A plane on the ground fits all three nicely. I think I'll continue to vulch 'em till they puke.
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Originally posted by humble
And the BK shot is a comment on your squad's well-known and often repeated propensity to concentrate on air-to-air (furballing) aspect of the game, and your also well-known and often repeated disdain for anyone that disagrees with your position. If the shoe fits, wear it.
As a general rule I avoid commenting on any thread generated by a toolshed hero (I could care less about who "wins" the digital dirt land grab. However, I am a bit amazed you'd throw rocks at the BK's....overall as good a bunch of sticks {not just as furballers} as you'll find. Tactical aircombat is the heart and soul of this game...only thing the bases do is help frame the fight.
Sooner or later the sequel to AH will come out....[bulldozers low] and you'll have a game you can really sink your teeth into:)
Check carefully humble. many (not quite all) of the BKs are some of the noisiest rock-throwers on the boards. It's there in black and white. Well, gray and black now. And frankly, you're one of the bunch. See cracks like "digital dirt land grab" and "tooshed heros" for evidence of your viewpoint.
You are one of those l337 pilit gomers that thinks that your way to play the game is the only valid way. Many of us disagree. It being a free country, and all that, we will do what we want to, and you can continue to do what you want to do.
Tactical air combat, by the way, is a multifaceted discipline. In the real world, air-to-air combat isn't the be-all and end-all of warfare. It certainly wasn't that way in WW2, or any other war that I have heard about.
They built tens of thousands of b-17s, lancs, Ju-88s, etc, etc. during the war, and none of them are very good dogfighters. They were used for SOMETHING, weren't they? And no, they were not intended as targets for the fighters. On both sides, many thousands of sorties were made to attack airfields and infrastructure, in order to advance the LAND campaign, and the SEA campaigns. Why should we limit ourselves to one aspect of the air war?
And before you get started, I do realize that this is not a WW2 recreation--it is a ww2 vehicle simulator/game. That being said, I am just as likely to get a 'feel' for ww2 air combat as you are, fighting your spit (or whatever) against a typhoon or Fm2 or P40 or whatever. Have fun, and be assured that I am having fun, too.
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Originally posted by Edbert
I think both "sides" of this age-old argument have valid points. But one detail keeps being overlooked...why drop the FHs at a field that no enemy is upping from when the capture is iminent?
Define imminent. If the goon is five minutes away, it ain't "imminent" in my book. A lot of things can change. Enemy fighters can arrive from an adjacent field, killing all the (low and slow by definition) vulchers. l337 suicider pilits can up from the field and kill the goon. The mission planes could run low on fuel, ammo, or both.
My thought on that is to destroy the enemy's local resources, thereby eliminating one source of resistance, then concentrate on interdiction of enemy reinforcements coming from other locations.
It works most of the time.
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rshubert....
1st I'm not not a BK (I'm an "AK"...thats what BK's want to grow up and be:))
2nd The BK's are wonderful to fight with or against. Win lose or draw if you run into a BK you know that its on till its over:)...
3rd I'm not "against" any style of play. I recognize the difficulty in gaining any real proficiancy in "furballing" and have no problems with others either "opting out" entirely or looking to contribute to the "cause" in other ways while learning.
4th I'm also not "defending" the vulchfest....thats not true furballing.
Your the one throwing rocks, Isn't that your original post?
I'm simply letting you know that none of the "trimmings" really matter anyway. In the end all that counts is the old "thunderdome" concept of aircombat...
Two guys, two planes and you have a chance for 5 min (give or take) of totally absorbtion...and when your done and you wipe the sweat out of your eyes and work the cramps out of your hands and neck and realize you havent been breathing for the last 90 seconds....you realize that thats why you keep coming back.
Thats what you and the "other side" dont comprehend. It's not "anger"....its annoyance....your simply getting in the way.
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Its that arrogance that turns alot of people off. As the generator of said "toolshedder thread" I'll have you know, although I bomb alot and enjoy the game as a whole, I have been known to use a fighter from time to time, and will give most, a good fight atleast.
Ive been playing for a little while.
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Originally posted by rshubert
Check carefully humble. many (not quite all) of the BKs are some of the noisiest rock-throwers on the boards.
So, the way it works is, you start throwing rocks at someone and then accuse him of throwing rocks. Like it or not, killing the FH on a capped field is not the right thing to do and has nothing to do with furbaling.
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Originally posted by kj714
"But I've attempted to bring troops to three bases.
I got through all three times"
Correct, you do not have the proper depth of personal experience to draw upon. Do 97 more goon runs and then share your conclusions. Also make sure that many of them are combat situations, not field sneaks.
Not a slam, just saying three runs doesn't really do goon running justice.
Eh, I'm not saying I could keep it up the whole time by any means, I am willing to say I could do a better job then many of the current goon pilots. The other day I saw a guy hovering around 15k over the field in one, just waiting to be picked off by the 15k reinforcements who showed up en masse because the FHs went down... Shrug.
For my lack of goon pilot experience I do have oodles of goon shooting experience... They generally are right where you expect them.
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Toooo many GENERALS sometimes giving directions. One General yelling "leave the hangers up", One General yelling "put the hangers down".
Next is, one General yelling "Pork the whole base", other General yelling "dont pork the whole base".. I'm so confuzed :eek:
One General is vulching, the other General is tring to capture the base. One General is yelling "ok who killed the hangers!"<--- more like.. "what a-hole killed the hangers , we're vulching" , other General is saying "wtg on the hangers, now get your arse to the town , goon waiting" Screwed if you do! screwed if you dont! go figure :( lmao!
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Originally posted by tactic
Toooo many GENERALS sometimes giving directions. One General yelling "leave the hangers up", One General yelling "put the hangers down".
Next is, one General yelling "Pork the whole base", other General yelling "dont pork the whole base".. I'm so confuzed :eek:
One General is vulching, the other General is tring to capture the base. One General is yelling "ok who killed the hangers!"<--- more like.. "what a-hole killed the hangers , we're vulching" , other General is saying "wtg on the hangers, now get your arse to the town , goon waiting" Screwed if you do! screwed if you dont! go figure :( lmao!
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What about the guy who yells "WHY ARE YOU WASTING OUR RESOURCES AT FURBALL ISLAND - YOU SHOULD BE HELPING US KILL THE FHs AT THIS BASE!!!!" ?
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Resources, lmao.
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Originally posted by dedalos
So, the way it works is, you start throwing rocks at someone and then accuse him of throwing rocks. Like it or not, killing the FH on a capped field is not the right thing to do and has nothing to do with furbaling.
Actually, dedalos, I simply stated that the BKs are known as furballers, and they commonly have used the statement "clubbing baby seals" to refer to shooting down "dweebs, newbies, suicide porkers, toolshed killers, bomber heros". Those are YOUR terms, not mine. How many times have you used them? Yeah, you, dedalos, and you, Furball, and YOU, edbert.
The reference to "copyright" was a tongue-in-cheek and (if I may say so) rather gentle dig at that position, shared by the BKs and some others on this BBS. But nooooo, once again anybody who DARES to disrespect the mighty furball l337 pilit heroz is taken to task by the whole crew.
Bunch of babies, aren't you?
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Originally posted by Stang
Resources, lmao.
You can't possibly keep your attention on anything long enough to "laugh your bellybutton off". That takes time and concentration, or really good beer.
I hear they have an online version of quake. Why not give it a try?
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Originally posted by tactic
Toooo many GENERALS sometimes giving directions. One General yelling "leave the hangers up", One General yelling "put the hangers down".
Next is, one General yelling "Pork the whole base", other General yelling "dont pork the whole base".. I'm so confuzed :eek:
One General is vulching, the other General is tring to capture the base. One General is yelling "ok who killed the hangers!"<--- more like.. "what a-hole killed the hangers , we're vulching" , other General is saying "wtg on the hangers, now get your arse to the town , goon waiting" Screwed if you do! screwed if you dont! go figure :( lmao!
Nah, its easy really. Just do what you think it is right ;) Take a look, and based on the situation make your decision. CAPed base means no one can make it off the runway. Hit the VH or town cause the FH is meaningless. If fighters make it to the air, well then hit the FHs cause there is no cap. If no one is trying to actualy take the base or no one knows about a goon on the way, well, then why are you there with ord? There is only 1 answer to that question. To stop the fight!
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Originally posted by Vudak
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What about the guy who yells "WHY ARE YOU WASTING OUR RESOURCES AT FURBALL ISLAND - YOU SHOULD BE HELPING US KILL THE FHs AT THIS BASE!!!!" ?
Actually the lonely cry of the single base defender can be pretty funny sometimes.
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Originally posted by FiLtH
Its that arrogance that turns alot of people off. As the generator of said "toolshedder thread" I'll have you know, although I bomb alot and enjoy the game as a whole, I have been known to use a fighter from time to time, and will give most, a good fight atleast.
Ive been playing for a little while.
It's not arrogance at all, geez I'm not at the top (or even in the middle:)) of anyones "threat" list....I'm just another target to alot of the guys out "there"....
It's also not an "attack" on you or your style of play [or your ability as a "fighter pilot"...you started the thread not me...
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Originally posted by dedalos
There is only 1 answer to that question. To stop the fight!
bingo! you figured it out! my whole reason for being--the very essence of my existence--is to find you (yes , you personally) and ruin your good time. It is very selfish of you to object to that activity. Since there are so many of us that feel as I do, as evidenced by your continuous kvetching about it, you should sacrifice your fun so that we can have ours. Anything else smacks of egotism.
After all, the argument can go both ways. You are whining about how toolshedders and the like are ruining your good time. What about you, "clubbing baby seals"? There is nothing for you there--after all, we are certainly not up to your high standards for air-to-air l337 pilit warrior heroz. We present no challenge. You find killiing us unsatisfying at best, distasteful at worst. The only reason you go after us must be to spoil our fun.
(edited for typo. misspelled 'l337')
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Originally posted by humble
It's not arrogance at all, geez I'm not at the top (or even in the middle:)) of anyones "threat" list....I'm just another target to alot of the guys out "there"....
It's also not an "attack" on you or your style of play [or your ability as a "fighter pilot"...you started the thread not me...
Yeah, it's arrogance. Yeah, it's an attack. You should try to be a bit more intellectually honest, or honest with yourself. Look at what you wrote.
What thunderdome concept of air combat? Did Douhet, or Dolittle, or Arnold, or anybody else ever write that air combat is a one-dimensional battle? Which one? What book? Why is 'thunderdome" all that matters? Just because it gets your heart started?
Let me put one to you:
Altitude 18000 ft, speed 210. Three cells of bombers are on the final approach to a defended base. Fighters are up, making badly coordinated runs trying to shoot you down. You're in the bombsight, trying to line up on the small pad fighter hangars. The guns are hammering, the number 2 plane is burning, a dora is coming up fast from below, and the crosshairs touch the target. Bombs away! Jump into the #2 position, start hammering away at the dora. One drone goes down, just as the message comes up in the buffer:
Fighter hangar destroyed
Fighter hangar destroyed.
There is a feeling of elation, of having made it through the gauntlet, and a sense of accomplishment in hitting the target. Pulse rate elevated, breathing fast.
Why can't you understand that? I can understand and experience the sweaty palms and whatever of a good dogfight.
Personally, I think the reason is that you have a short attention span.
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Originally posted by rshubert
Yeah, it's arrogance. Yeah, it's an attack. You should try to be a bit more intellectually honest, or honest with yourself. Look at what you wrote.
What thunderdome concept of air combat? Did Douhet, or Dolittle, or Arnold, or anybody else ever write that air combat is a one-dimensional battle? Which one? What book? Why is 'thunderdome" all that matters? Just because it gets your heart started?
Let me put one to you:
Altitude 18000 ft, speed 210. Three cells of bombers are on the final approach to a defended base. Fighters are up, making badly coordinated runs trying to shoot you down. You're in the bombsight, trying to line up on the small pad fighter hangars. The guns are hammering, the number 2 plane is burning, a dora is coming up fast from below, and the crosshairs touch the target. Bombs away! Jump into the #2 position, start hammering away at the dora. One drone goes down, just as the message comes up in the buffer:
Fighter hangar destroyed
Fighter hangar destroyed.
There is a feeling of elation, of having made it through the gauntlet, and a sense of accomplishment in hitting the target. Pulse rate elevated, breathing fast.
Why can't you understand that? I can understand and experience the sweaty palms and whatever of a good dogfight.
Personally, I think the reason is that you have a short attention span.
18000 feet is certainly what I call a gauntlet. :D
Yeah yeah, I know, you bomber pilots just can't win nomatter what ya do :)
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Originally posted by rshubert
Actually, dedalos, I simply stated that the BKs are known as furballers, and they commonly have used the statement "clubbing baby seals" to refer to shooting down "dweebs, newbies, suicide porkers, toolshed killers, bomber heros". Those are YOUR terms, not mine. How many times have you used them? Yeah, you, dedalos, and you, Furball, and YOU, edbert.
Ohhhh...I got mine in caps...I'm special (special Ed)!
I used the term "newb" once in this thread, referring to the guy who tried to up from a field that had ~10 greens CAPing it. My one use of that term was not derogatory in nature, merely observant. I think you need to calm down and not take things so personally, at least get it right who is saying what where.
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One must ask, after reading two pages of bickering.
Will capturing this base get me laid tonight?
Will getting 10 kills in one sortie get me laid tonight?
Will having a low rank get me laid tonight?
Will arguing over who is right and who is wong about a game and winning that argument, get me laid tonight?
Hmmmm. Call me crazy, but Im thinking... No, to all the above.
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Will capturing this base get me laid tonight?
Actually, yes, if it makes me feel like mission accomplished and I log off early enough to be in the "zone"
Will getting 10 kills in one sortie get me laid tonight?
Definitely, must do something with the woodie I now have.
Will having a low rank get me laid tonight?
This one probably as good a shot as many of my other arguments that are marginally successful.
Will arguing over who is right and who is wrong about a game and winning that argument, get me laid tonight?
No, I have never won an argument about anything and gotten any in the same 24 hour period.
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Originally posted by rshubert
There is a feeling of elation, of having made it through the gauntlet, and a sense of accomplishment in hitting the target. Pulse rate elevated, breathing fast.
1 fighter does not a gauntlet make. And yes, you are a baby seal.
Panting about killing 2 FH? LOL. You rawk.
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Originally posted by kj714
No, I have never won an argument about anything and gotten any in the same 24 hour period.
Oh man!
That's under serious consideration for sig material.
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Really? At 15 kills i start to get semi-erect.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
1 fighter does not a gauntlet make. And yes, you are a baby seal.
Panting about killing 2 FH? LOL. You rawk.
My gawd, you are blind. Obnoxiously oblivious. Unbelievably unaware. Incredibly insensitive to what goes on around you.
Please call 1-800-get-clue. Maybe they can help you.
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Please call 1-800-get-clue.
PAALEASE. I got that watermelon on speed dial. But I dont have a clue what to ask when I call there. :confused:
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Originally posted by rshubert
bingo! you figured it out! my whole reason for being--the very essence of my existence--is to find you (yes , you personally) and ruin your good time. It is very selfish of you to object to that activity. Since there are so many of us that feel as I do, as evidenced by your continuous kvetching about it, you should sacrifice your fun so that we can have ours. Anything else smacks of egotism.
After all, the argument can go both ways. You are whining about how toolshedders and the like are ruining your good time. What about you, "clubbing baby seals"? There is nothing for you there--after all, we are certainly not up to your high standards for air-to-air l337 pilit warrior heroz. We present no challenge. You find killiing us unsatisfying at best, distasteful at worst. The only reason you go after us must be to spoil our fun.
(edited for typo. misspelled 'l337')
:rofl Take a big breath and read my posts again. Where did I say anything you mention in your post?
I have no prob escorting buffs or helping with anything. As long as there is a goal. Droping the FH just because you happen to fly over them with ord and then auger is plain stupid. Why not the BH, VH or the town? Cause no one will complain about that :lol
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Originally posted by Edbert
Ohhhh...I got mine in caps...I'm special (special Ed)!
I used the term "newb" once in this thread, referring to the guy who tried to up from a field that had ~10 greens CAPing it. My one use of that term was not derogatory in nature, merely observant. I think you need to calm down and not take things so personally, at least get it right who is saying what where.
Dunno, but it seems to me that you guys are the ones who are so sensitive to any implied slight. After all, you're the ones who object to a little dig about your stated position on the issue at hand. Do I need to go fishing to find your past posts on the subject, eddie, and find some juicy quotes where you used any and all of the derogatory terms listed in my previous post? It would be a monumental task, there are so many. But a waste of time, we both know where you're coming from on this issue.
Just saying, now...don't get them knickers in a bunch again. Calm down, take a deep cleansing breath, and know htat you have been
PWND!
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Originally posted by rshubert
Actually, dedalos, I simply stated that the BKs are known as furballers, and they commonly have used the statement "clubbing baby seals" to refer to shooting down "dweebs, newbies, suicide porkers, toolshed killers, bomber heros". Those are YOUR terms, not mine. How many times have you used them? Yeah, you, dedalos, and you, Furball, and YOU, edbert.
"clubbing baby seals" Never
"dweebs, suicide porkers, toolshed killers" Not enough
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Originally posted by rshubert
PWND!
Where?:confused:
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Originally posted by rshubert
You find killiing us unsatisfying at best, distasteful at worst.
Of all the spiteful, personal, and untrue things you have said, I take issue with this most of all.
We love killing the horde warriorz. It's what we live for. No kill is unsatisfying.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
Really? At 15 kills i start to get semi-erect.
I have lower expectations of myself.
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Originally posted by rshubert
bingo! you figured it out! my whole reason for being--the very essence of my existence--is to find you (yes , you personally) and ruin your good time. It is very selfish of you to object to that activity.
Good lord, I have something in common with shubie! Excuse me while I go shoot myself.
What about you, "clubbing baby seals"? There is nothing for you there--after all, we are certainly not up to your high standards for air-to-air l337 pilit warrior heroz. We present no challenge. You find killiing us unsatisfying at best, distasteful at worst. The only reason you go after us must be to spoil our fun.
(edited for typo. misspelled 'l337')
Well, wrong on that part. I love killing bomber jocks, but only at certain moments. Either just as you line up for your bomb run, so I spoil it and make you gnash your teeth and curse my name, OR after one of your particularly successful runs against strat targets in the middle of nowhere that benefit nothing but your score. I really like those kills. VERY satisfying. So you see, its all relative. You are right though, you present no challenge.
:D
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I think I'll continue to vulch 'em till they puke.
And run when they get off the runway...
ack-ack
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Originally posted by rshubert
Let me put one to you:
Altitude 18000 ft, speed 210. Three cells of bombers are on the final approach to a defended base. Fighters are up, making badly coordinated runs trying to shoot you down. You're in the bombsight, trying to line up on the small pad fighter hangars. The guns are hammering, the number 2 plane is burning, a dora is coming up fast from below, and the crosshairs touch the target. Bombs away! Jump into the #2 position, start hammering away at the dora. One drone goes down, just as the message comes up in the buffer:
Fighter hangar destroyed
Fighter hangar destroyed.
There is a feeling of elation, of having made it through the gauntlet, and a sense of accomplishment in hitting the target. Pulse rate elevated, breathing fast.
Why can't you understand that? I can understand and experience the sweaty palms and whatever of a good dogfight.
Personally, I think the reason is that you have a short attention span.
In recognition of your tireless efforts at killing buildings, on behalf of the AH community, it is my honor to present you with the Rainbow Flag of Elite Excellence in the field of Milkrunning and Tool Shed Destruction.
(http://www.elmhurst.edu/~sage/flag-rainbow.JPG)
Take a bow shubie. It is your efforts that inspire all your fellow bombers to keep reaching for that rainbow.
ack-ack
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Just one request.
Please quit comparing this to war. Last I checked no one's dying for real.
And as near as I can tell there wasn't one single bombing mission flown in WW2 where one guy flew 3 17s or 24s at once and gunned for himself while also being navigator and bombardier.
I'm as history minded as anyone here, if not more so, but this isn't WW2.
This is a lot more like those days as a kid where we played army and if you got shot you counted to 20 and got up again and resumed the pretend fight while arguing whether or not the guy really shot you or missed.
That being said, bomb to your hearts content, or furball if that's your deal. I'll be off augering with style somewhere else :)
Dan/CorkyJr
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Nomad landings rule.
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Originally posted by rshubert
Dunno, but it seems to me that you guys are the ones who are so sensitive to any implied slight. After all, you're the ones who object to a little dig about your stated position on the issue at hand. Do I need to go fishing to find your past posts on the subject, eddie, and find some juicy quotes where you used any and all of the derogatory terms listed in my previous post? It would be a monumental task, there are so many. But a waste of time, we both know where you're coming from on this issue.
Just saying, now...don't get them knickers in a bunch again. Calm down, take a deep cleansing breath, and know htat you have been
PWND!
Dedalos was poking fun at my squad (I believe he really DID need help remembering what the CAF was), I said what I thought needed saying, and Dedalos and I let it go as a joke (which it was). YOU seem to have some sort of psychotic grudge with these guys. I mean yeah, these guys like to furball, sometimes I do too, and if I see one of these fuggers in Rookland, I'm asking where they're at. I enjoy helping them and having fun, just as much as the vice versa, not to mention the clowing around and ripping on poor SlapShot (he sure takes it, and I'm waiting for the turnaround :) )
The BK's are NOT selfish. If they're around me (which I have good SA), I'll call out cons, and they will return the favor. At ANY GIVEN TIME, ANYONE COULD BE DEEMED SELFISH. There is no point, as your "substantiated point of view" has more holes than a 1970 Datsun in a junkyard.
<> BK's, a friend
Karaya
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(eyes glazed over) Its so clear to me now...why didnt I see it before? The answer is simple. Since the bombers are so distained, and lumped together into one septic, fun ruining pool...the answer is to confirm this.
(eyes narrow..face changes into a hideous mishapen mass)
BOMB ALL FHS!!! EVERYWHERE! YES! LEAVE UP VHS! LEAVE THE TOWN UP! BOMB THE FHS! BOMB THEM AGAIN AND AGAIN!! BOMB BOMB BOMB I SAY!!!
They will try to stop us but the killshooter will destroy them,...the enemy will try to stop us but the tailguns will destroy them! The internet will try to stop us...wait...that can stop us. Whatever. We will be invincible!
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Just one request.
Please quit comparing this to war. Last I checked no one's dying for real.
And as near as I can tell there wasn't one single bombing mission flown in WW2 where one guy flew 3 17s or 24s at once and gunned for himself while also being navigator and bombardier.
I'm as history minded as anyone here, if not more so, but this isn't WW2.
This is a lot more like those days as a kid where we played army and if you got shot you counted to 20 and got up again and resumed the pretend fight while arguing whether or not the guy really shot you or missed.
That being said, bomb to your hearts content, or furball if that's your deal. I'll be off augering with style somewhere else :)
Dan/CorkyJr
Yeah, guppy--I posted that it is a GAME. And btw, there is no recorded evidence of any fighter pilot that got killed three times a day in the real war, either.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
The BK's are NOT selfish. If they're around me (which I have good SA), I'll call out cons, and they will return the favor. At ANY GIVEN TIME, ANYONE COULD BE DEEMED SELFISH. There is no point, as your "substantiated point of view" has more holes than a 1970 Datsun in a junkyard.
<> BK's, a friend
Karaya
Was I talking to you?
(checks back in posts)
No, I wasn't.
Now I am. If my arguments (counter arguments, really) have holes in them, then theirs certainly do, also. After all this little flamefest got started over a reference to the often repeated position of some people who regularly post here. Guys that apparently are so insecure in their own heat-felt sense of virtual superiority that they are required by their very nature to attack any who disagree with them. Look around the boards--the derision and contempt from the furballer side is there to see, everywhere.
Now all their buddies feel the need to come to their rescue against the big, mean guy who talks nasty to the "respected and selfless" BKs. It's a form of lese majeste, I guess. The loyal retainers jump to the defense of their aristocratic betters.
Psychotic? Maybe. Maybe I am psychotic. Back at the institution they said I would be ok if I keep taking my medicine, though. I must say I haven't felt the need to run through the streets screaming like a banshee lately. Maybe the drugs do help.
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Shub makes me cry:(
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Originally posted by rshubert
Yeah, it's arrogance. Yeah, it's an attack. You should try to be a bit more intellectually honest, or honest with yourself. Look at what you wrote.
What thunderdome concept of air combat? Did Douhet, or Dolittle, or Arnold, or anybody else ever write that air combat is a one-dimensional battle? Which one? What book? Why is 'thunderdome" all that matters? Just because it gets your heart started?
Let me put one to you:
Altitude 18000 ft, speed 210. Three cells of bombers are on the final approach to a defended base. Fighters are up, making badly coordinated runs trying to shoot you down. You're in the bombsight, trying to line up on the small pad fighter hangars. The guns are hammering, the number 2 plane is burning, a dora is coming up fast from below, and the crosshairs touch the target. Bombs away! Jump into the #2 position, start hammering away at the dora. One drone goes down, just as the message comes up in the buffer:
Fighter hangar destroyed
Fighter hangar destroyed.
There is a feeling of elation, of having made it through the gauntlet, and a sense of accomplishment in hitting the target. Pulse rate elevated, breathing fast.
Why can't you understand that? I can understand and experience the sweaty palms and whatever of a good dogfight.
Personally, I think the reason is that you have a short attention span.
Actually what your describing is a boring skillless undertaking that requires absolutely no significant advanced knowledge or aqquired skill to perform.....
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Further....
Quite using big words you dont understand or cant utilize coherently in a sentence. In no way shape or form is this an intellectual exercise of any kind....or was my statement arrogant. I'm simply trying to answer your "question".
The simple fact is that the "business" of aerial warfare is a complex undertaking. Many of the top "sim pilots" have thousands of hours of "combat" experience accumulated over years (even decades). Recognizing that the physical (& mental) elements of combat flying are missing they are however tactically as good if not better then the best pilots who have ever fired a shot in anger.
The learning curve to becoming competitive at the highest level here (or in any similiar sim) is obviously very steep. As I said above most of us (including me) occasionaly (or often) find other ways to participate. However to try and compare the simplistic "point & click" of bombing to true "air combat" is ludicrous and simply highlights your own arrogance....among other things.
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Originally posted by FiLtH
(eyes glazed over) Its so clear to me now...why didnt I see it before? The answer is simple. Since the bombers are so distained, and lumped together into one septic, fun ruining pool...the answer is to confirm this.
(eyes narrow..face changes into a hideous mishapen mass)
BOMB ALL FHS!!! EVERYWHERE! YES! LEAVE UP VHS! LEAVE THE TOWN UP! BOMB THE FHS! BOMB THEM AGAIN AND AGAIN!! BOMB BOMB BOMB I SAY!!!
They will try to stop us but the killshooter will destroy them,...the enemy will try to stop us but the tailguns will destroy them! The internet will try to stop us...wait...that can stop us. Whatever. We will be invincible!
Damn - Perk the Internet, the spoilsport. :)
Theres the answer - To hell with the landgrab for one night, every non furballer on all 3 sides grab a buff (gv'ers go to a field with your tankety tanks with HE) and flatten hangers for a few hours ;)
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Damn - Perk the Internet, the spoilsport. :)
Theres the answer - To hell with the landgrab for one night, every non furballer on all 3 sides grab a buff (gv'ers go to a field with your tankety tanks with HE) and flatten hangers for a few hours ;)
ROFL, this is exactly what happens every night anyway.
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Originally posted by rshubert
A few months ago, I challenged you guys to STOP ME. You couldn't then. You can't work together well enough. You're stuck in the individualist, me-only thumb candy aspect of the game, while those of us who work as a TEAM are exploring the advanced aspects of the game.
Actually I remember things turning out quite differently.
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Originally posted by rshubert
Yeah, guppy--I posted that it is a GAME. And btw, there is no recorded evidence of any fighter pilot that got killed three times a day in the real war, either.
You are absolutely correct, and it only proves the point.
In the end you gotta do what's fun for you in the game. Trying to please everyone or justify it, just isn't ever gonna work.
If you like bombing, more power to you. I hope you get incredibly good at it and really enjoy your time do it.
And I hope to furballers have their fun too.
Either way we're going to have to coexist in the game cause it's never going to be exactly what any of us want :)
Dan/CorkyJr
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Holy cow!..That was funny reading Edbert...:rofl
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Originally posted by rshubert
Dunno, but it seems to me that you guys are the ones who are so sensitive to any implied slight. After all, you're the ones who object to a little dig about your stated position on the issue at hand. Do I need to go fishing to find your past posts on the subject, eddie, and find some juicy quotes where you used any and all of the derogatory terms listed in my previous post? It would be a monumental task, there are so many. But a waste of time, we both know where you're coming from on this issue.
Just saying, now...don't get them knickers in a bunch again. Calm down, take a deep cleansing breath, and know htat you have been
I suggest you practice not your reading but your reading comprehension. Quoted from early in this thread...
Originally posted by Edbert
Now, I could care less about taking a base or having the "Offensive" stopped. But for those who enjoy the land grab I wish more power to them, I am glad that they can enjoy their game as well.
You may feel slighted, and other members of my squad may have offended your sensibilities, but as a BK we do not speak for each other, neither them for me nor I for them.
Originally posted by rshubert
PWNED!
Ummmm...whatever makes you happy, but nowhere near as badly as you PWNED those FHs, they never had a chance against your l337 skilz!
(seriously and in your own best interest...I suggest you get back on the meds...if for no other reason than they might prevent you from embarrasing yourself further.)
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ummm....eeerr...lets ee....YALL NEED A LIFE! :rofl
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Originally posted by kj714
Will capturing this base get me laid tonight?
Actually, yes, if it makes me feel like mission accomplished and I log off early enough to be in the "zone"
Will getting 10 kills in one sortie get me laid tonight?
Definitely, must do something with the woodie I now have.
Will having a low rank get me laid tonight?
This one probably as good a shot as many of my other arguments that are marginally successful.
Will arguing over who is right and who is wrong about a game and winning that argument, get me laid tonight?
No, I have never won an argument about anything and gotten any in the same 24 hour period.
He meant with another human being. Living preferably:)
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Originally posted by Silat
He meant with another human being. Living preferably:)
ahahaha wtf lmao :lol
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Wow! New subject!
Darn BBQ wont light!
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gallon of diesel and a match does wonders.
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Originally posted by Silat
He meant with another human being. Living preferably:)
Duchess isn't speaking to you anymore Silat!
:D
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Originally posted by Meatwad
gallon of diesel and a match does wonders.
Liquid oxygen is the best.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Damn - Perk the Internet, the spoilsport. :)
Theres the answer - To hell with the landgrab for one night, every non furballer on all 3 sides grab a buff (gv'ers go to a field with your tankety tanks with HE) and flatten hangers for a few hours ;)
IN, I need 5 guys in 190s for 15 minutes. We will be hitting ammo bankers 5 sectors dip. Muahahahahaha
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Originally posted by humble
Further....
Quite using big words you dont understand or cant utilize coherently in a sentence. In no way shape or form is this an intellectual exercise of any kind....or was my statement arrogant. I'm simply trying to answer your "question".
The simple fact is that the "business" of aerial warfare is a complex undertaking. Many of the top "sim pilots" have thousands of hours of "combat" experience accumulated over years (even decades). Recognizing that the physical (& mental) elements of combat flying are missing they are however tactically as good if not better then the best pilots who have ever fired a shot in anger.
The learning curve to becoming competitive at the highest level here (or in any similiar sim) is obviously very steep. As I said above most of us (including me) occasionaly (or often) find other ways to participate. However to try and compare the simplistic "point & click" of bombing to true "air combat" is ludicrous and simply highlights your own arrogance....among other things.
I understand the big words, humble. My whole point is that NONE OF THIS IS ANYTHING LIKE REALITY. Simply enough put for you? Did you get it that time? Golly, I sure hope so.
Pal, tactically you would get killed on day one. So would I. We are not elite, highly trained fighter pilots. We do not use the level of mission planning, cooperation, and teamwork that even a third world airforce would use. Being good at this game and fifty cents will get you a cup of coffee from the machine in the break room.
And if you want to talk about arrogance, then explain why you are constitutionally incapable of posting anything that doesn't include a chest beating claim that those who disagree with you are somehow...inferior.
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Originally posted by rshubert
Psychotic? Maybe. Maybe I am psychotic. Back at the institution they said I would be ok if I keep taking my medicine, though. I must say I haven't felt the need to run through the streets screaming like a banshee lately. Maybe the drugs do help.
I didn't know Viagra helped with that problem... :rofl
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Your taking my reply (and the game itself) out of context.
1st, the game isnt about bombing or stratagy or combined arms tactics. It's actually about air to air fighter combat....thats where the title came from. It's also not about "winning" the war either.
Now in their continuing efforts to broaden the appeal of the game (and make more money)[which as a good capitalist I agree with completely] the powers that be have added significant "fluff". Many including you, have become confused and view this "fluff" as an essential element of the game.
So.....
The following occurs.....
Some folks get tweaked since your simply getting in the way...the topic of your original post. Others simply try and explain why you get the reaction you did...
Recognize that this entire arquement exists with in the real world of combat aviation as well...and was summed up very nicely by a marine pilot from the korean war....
"there are only to kinds of pilots...fighters and targets"
or something to that effect.....
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Originally posted by rshubert
Pal, tactically you would get killed on day one. So would I. We are not elite, highly trained fighter pilots. We do not use the level of mission planning, cooperation, and teamwork that even a third world airforce would use. Being good at this game and fifty cents will get you a cup of coffee from the machine in the break room.
I dunno... I thought I read on this website (under, "About Us" or something of that nature) that Hitech actually won a ride in a P51 Mustang by coming out #1 in some sort of actual fighter competition. I didn't realize that he was ever in the airforce (could've been I suppose, just haven't seen it mentioned).
'Course, if he wasn't ever in the Airforce, it would tend to bolster Humble's theory a bit, wouldn't you say?
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And if you want to talk about arrogance, then explain why you are constitutionally incapable of posting anything that doesn't include a chest beating claim that those who disagree with you are somehow...inferior.
BLAHAHAHAHAHA
Pot... Meet kettle.
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Well we're probably better than 99% of the world's population at virtual dogfighting. Some are probably better than some of the flight cadets just learning to fly. The difference is, someday they WILL be flying..in combat..for real. While the rest of us continue to fantasize about it each night.
There are probably some real pilots out there who dont do very well in this game. There are probably subshop employees out there who are aces in here. Im quite sure if there was a war that required a draft, most of the guys in here would be in the trenches rather than flying real planes. "Mr. President...we've got Aces High on the line...our problems are solved...those guys are the best there are!".
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Originally posted by Morpheus
BLAHAHAHAHAHA
Pot... Meet kettle.
Not true, morph. I don't have any problem with you doing our thing, as long as you don't have any problem with me doing mine. The issue is the whole "base capture is evil because it ruins my fun" attitude you guys (and you know who you are) have developed.
We've gone through many iterations of this argument, and nobody has moved an inch from their position.
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Originally posted by Vudak
I dunno... I thought I read on this website (under, "About Us" or something of that nature) that Hitech actually won a ride in a P51 Mustang by coming out #1 in some sort of actual fighter competition. I didn't realize that he was ever in the airforce (could've been I suppose, just haven't seen it mentioned).
'Course, if he wasn't ever in the Airforce, it would tend to bolster Humble's theory a bit, wouldn't you say?
I dunno. Was he fighting real Air Force trained pilots?
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I'd be willing to wager that at least half of the best sticks in AH would either be puking their guts out or doing the "funky chicken" after the first 5G+ sustained turn or definitely their first hard neg-G maneuver. That number may even be much higher and yes I am talking about myself. I have been to many cons and lets just say that many AHers are not exactly in the best physical condition :D
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Thank you Edbert for the refreshing breeze of truth. :)
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Originally posted by humble
Your taking my reply (and the game itself) out of context.
1st, the game isnt about bombing or stratagy or combined arms tactics. It's actually about air to air fighter combat....thats where the title came from. It's also not about "winning" the war either.
Now in their continuing efforts to broaden the appeal of the game (and make more money)[which as a good capitalist I agree with completely] the powers that be have added significant "fluff". Many including you, have become confused and view this "fluff" as an essential element of the game.
So.....
The following occurs.....
Some folks get tweaked since your simply getting in the way...the topic of your original post. Others simply try and explain why you get the reaction you did...
Recognize that this entire arquement exists with in the real world of combat aviation as well...and was summed up very nicely by a marine pilot from the korean war....
"there are only to kinds of pilots...fighters and targets"
or something to that effect.....
From the AH website:
Aces High Game Features
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Aces High II is a massive multi-player online combat simulation centered around the World War II air-war. Here are some of the highlights.
Accurate flight modeling of over 80 aircraft, vehicles, and boats from around the world.
Fight against hundreds of real players from around the world.
Multiple arenas with unique environments all different styles of gameplay.
Constant updates and additions keep the game fresh.
Create historical skins for your plane.
Start or join a squadron for even more fun.
Participate in special events recreating scenarios from World War II.
Learn from films you can record and view using the Aces High Film Viewer.
Design and build your own terrain with the Aces High Terrain Editor.
In game voice support.
The most flexible view system in the genre. Tailor it to your liking.
Full true 3D cockpits.
Customize your commands on the keyboard and the joystick.
In-game secure account management.
Auto-update in the game for all updates.
Auto-update for all new skins released for the game.
Free 8 player head to head over the Internet and LAN play.
Free 2 week online trial (no billing information needed).
End quote.
Nothing in there about this being intended for fighter planes only, is there?
Want more? Go to the AH index page, and look at the pretty P-51 at the top of the page. Read the words in the upper left:
"welcome to the Internet's premier WWII combat experience"
Doesn't say "premier WWII furball simulator, does it?
Same box, left side:
"Get Started!
Engage in AIR LAND OR SEA combat..." (my caps)
Are you getting the hint yet?
The game is NOT ALL ABOUT YOU. It's about me, too. And guys who only man vehicles. And guys who man ship guns.
If you can't accept that (and yes, I am adressing all of you who think that base capture "just gets in the way", I suggest you go to the DA, or set up a server your way, or...
But get off my back. I am truly tired of your whining about how I am ruining your online experience.
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Originally posted by rshubert
Not true, morph. I don't have any problem with you doing our thing, as long as you don't have any problem with me doing mine. The issue is the whole "base capture is evil because it ruins my fun" attitude you guys (and you know who you are) have developed.
We've gone through many iterations of this argument, and nobody has moved an inch from their position.
Shub, 3 pages and I think your still not getting it. Base capturing is not EVIL. Especially if it's done right. I think there are a few points that make the land grab aspect of the game frustrating for some.
1. The FH porkers: Guys who fly in, in either Buffs of jabo planes, pork the FHs and leave. There is no point in this and it just kills the fight that SOME people are enjoying
2. The Base Flatteners: These guys come in and flatten everything in sight, FH, VH, Troops, Ord, Grandma Cottage. Sure they capture the base but what they have is a completely useless piece of land!
3. The Gross Incompatents: These are the guys who will take 2, 3, 4 hours trying to capture a base and fail to do so. You can easily tell when your at a base with these guys. They will fail to take down the VH but take down the FHs, they never seem to have troops standing by, if the FHs are up you will see 4 or 5 of them chase an LA7 miles away from the base leaving thier CAP, lastly, as soon as any number of enemy planes either get up from the base or come in from near by bases they get frustrated(scared) and leave.
Of all of these #1 is the most frustrating. I can't tell you how many times my squad has put together a mission to take a base and have one of these "heros" come by and pork the field. Even when you tell them NOT TO! I can't tell you how many times my squad has been rolling across the map taking base after base, using the captured base to launch to the next, creating some nice air-to-air fights in the process, only to have some "toolshead hero" pork the latest base for no reason, killing our advance.
The land grab game, when done right, can generate some really good air-to-air engagements. Unfortunatly, in too many instances its done terribly wrong.
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Not true, morph. I don't have any problem with you doing our thing, as long as you don't have any problem with me doing mine. The issue is the whole "base capture is evil because it ruins my fun" attitude you guys (and you know who you are) have developed.
What you fail to see is that the crux of the whole debate is GRIEFERS !!!
As I have noted before ... nothing twists our nipples more than ...
Some loser(s) taking down all the FHs when a furball exists and has been brewing between 2 fields for a length of time without the front ever really moving and being a threat to either side.
Some landgrabbin' bastage(s) get so pissed off that too many "resources" are being used for furballin' (seen it on Country Channel many times) and not concentrating on taking bases ... soooo ... to put an end to that, they flatten the FHs. I have seen this happen too many times.
Or ... there is a CV off the coast and a furball is brewing over the water ... there is sufficiant numbers of fighters from the land base, that the base is never really in jeopardy but noooooo ... someone decides that is time to end that fun and low-level dive bombs the CV ... even after being asked NOT to take out the CV but PLEASE take out the destroyer. Some say ... well LVTs started spawing ... well ... that is pure iciing on the cake for GVers and those who love to pop them like grapes in IL-2s ... they love every minute of it so the LVTs really aren't a threat.
Those that participate in the "land grab" can and do "grief" the furballers. Now please tell me how "furballers" can so easily "grief" the land grabbers ... please enlighten me.
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Originally posted by Clifra Jones
Shub, 3 pages and I think your still not getting it. Base capturing is not EVIL. Especially if it's done right. I think there are a few points that make the land grab aspect of the game frustrating for some.
1. The FH porkers: Guys who fly in, in either Buffs of jabo planes, pork the FHs and leave. There is no point in this and it just kills the fight that SOME people are enjoying
2. The Base Flatteners: These guys come in and flatten everything in sight, FH, VH, Troops, Ord, Grandma Cottage. Sure they capture the base but what they have is a completely useless piece of land!
3. The Gross Incompatents: These are the guys who will take 2, 3, 4 hours trying to capture a base and fail to do so. You can easily tell when your at a base with these guys. They will fail to take down the VH but take down the FHs, they never seem to have troops standing by, if the FHs are up you will see 4 or 5 of them chase an LA7 miles away from the base leaving thier CAP, lastly, as soon as any number of enemy planes either get up from the base or come in from near by bases they get frustrated(scared) and leave.
Of all of these #1 is the most frustrating. I can't tell you how many times my squad has put together a mission to take a base and have one of these "heros" come by and pork the field. Even when you tell them NOT TO! I can't tell you how many times my squad has been rolling across the map taking base after base, using the captured base to launch to the next, creating some nice air-to-air fights in the process, only to have some "toolshead hero" pork the latest base for no reason, killing our advance.
The land grab game, when done right, can generate some really good air-to-air engagements. Unfortunatly, in too many instances its done terribly wrong.
Thank you CJ. Thats what we have been saing. Maybe he will be able to comprehent what you wrote since you are not a BK.
Droping the FH right before a capture or just because you happen to have ord on you, is at best useless whether you like furbaling or fighting the war.
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You guys don't seem to agree with each other. One says the "land grab" is ok under certain circumstances, the other says the land grab is bad, and the third agrees with number one.
Oh, I do "get it". You boys each want the game to be played for your personal enjoyment by all concerned. I "grief" you. So sorry. I ruin your furball. Too bad.
You get this: you don't own the game. You have no moral superiority over me or other "land grab" players. You do NOT have the right to demand that I conform to your idea of how the game should be played, other than by influencing the outcome of the game IN THE GAME.
If the land grabbers bug you, shoot us down. Pork our ordnance. DO SOMETHING! But quit kvetching about how others choose to do in their time, with their money.
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Originally posted by rshubert
You guys don't seem to agree with each other. One says the "land grab" is ok under certain circumstances, the other says the land grab is bad, and the third agrees with number one.
Amaizing eh? we have different opinions but non of us had a hard attack talking about it.
You get this: you don't own the game.
Neither do you.
You have no moral superiority over me or other "land grab" players. You do NOT have the right to demand that I conform to your idea of how the game should be played, other than by influencing the outcome of the game IN THE GAME.
I don't think we demanded anything. We just said that serten actions in the game are plain stupid. You don't have to agree with that, but thats what I atlist think.
As far as porking the ord, well, we want you to have fun too so we don't do it :rofl
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Originally posted by rshubert
You guys don't seem to agree with each other. One says the "land grab" is ok under certain circumstances, the other says the land grab is bad, and the third agrees with number one.
Oh, I do "get it". You boys each want the game to be played for your personal enjoyment by all concerned. I "grief" you. So sorry. I ruin your furball. Too bad.
You get this: you don't own the game. You have no moral superiority over me or other "land grab" players. You do NOT have the right to demand that I conform to your idea of how the game should be played, other than by influencing the outcome of the game IN THE GAME.
If the land grabbers bug you, shoot us down. Pork our ordnance. DO SOMETHING! But quit kvetching about how others choose to do in their time, with their money.
Shub, of the 3 example I gave only one of them actually TAKES the base. Problem is that this base gets taken back by the side that lost it 90% of the time because the Base Flatteners never stay around to defend. If you think about it how can you defend a base without any FHs to up from?
So you see none of my examples is actually CONTRIBUTING to the land grab aspect of the game. If in examples 2 & 3 these guys are having fun and enjoying the game then I don't have a problem with them. The only people I have a problem with are the #1 guys. What they do makes so little sense that I can only deduce that they are either total tards or they do it for some sick reasons of their own. Maybe they feel as Dedalos says that they will pull the furballers into the Win the War effort but they are mistaken, that ain't gonna happen.
No ones trying to tell you how to play the game. I've flown with you Shub and you don't fall into any of these categories as far as I've observed. It's just that it gets to a point in the MA where it just isn't any fun for those looking for a good air-to air fight because of the lame way some of the land grabbers play their game.
So you see, these #1 guys may not conciously be telling us how to play the game but that's what they are achieving.
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Oh, I do "get it". You boys each want the game to be played for your personal enjoyment by all concerned. I "grief" you. So sorry. I ruin your furball. Too bad.
This is why you are a complete TOOL.
Discussing anything with you is rediculous at best.
You get this: you don't own the game. You have no moral superiority over me or other "land grab" players. You do NOT have the right to demand that I conform to your idea of how the game should be played, other than by influencing the outcome of the game IN THE GAME.
Nothing I said used the word DEMAND ... what I said was ... we ASKED them not to pork the furball ... that in no way was DEMANDing.
You just want to argue for the sake of arguing ... done with you.
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Originally posted by Edbert
I'd be willing to wager that at least half of the best sticks in AH would either be puking their guts out or doing the "funky chicken" after the first 5G+ sustained turn or definitely their first hard neg-G maneuver. That number may even be much higher and yes I am talking about myself. I have been to many cons and lets just say that many AHers are not exactly in the best physical condition :D
:lol yeah true. I'm not claiming anyone on "here" would necessarily do better, but I do have to wonder if, supposing you were in peak physical condition, having some experience in one of these things would help you abit?
Oh well, we'll have to wait and see how Flyboy does :)
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Originally posted by rshubert
You guys don't seem to agree with each other. One says the "land grab" is ok under certain circumstances, the other says the land grab is bad, and the third agrees with number one.
Oh, I do "get it". You boys each want the game to be played for your personal enjoyment by all concerned. I "grief" you. So sorry. I ruin your furball. Too bad.
You get this: you don't own the game. You have no moral superiority over me or other "land grab" players. You do NOT have the right to demand that I conform to your idea of how the game should be played, other than by influencing the outcome of the game IN THE GAME.
If the land grabbers bug you, shoot us down. Pork our ordnance. DO SOMETHING! But quit kvetching about how others choose to do in their time, with their money.
You really ought to calm down and re-read the three posts directly above this one. The posters make valid arguments, easily broken down into points, and you aren't going after them in any way other than a rabid rant that does not address their points.
This is why people get fed up with you.
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Originally posted by Vudak
You really ought to calm down and re-read the three posts directly above this one. The posters make valid arguments, easily broken down into points, and you aren't going after them in any way other than a rabid rant that does not address their points.
This is why people get fed up with you.
WHat's this whole "calm down" thing? Do you guys assume I get as upset as you do over this crud? Assume again.
"Rabid Rant"?? Good use of language, there--two bonus points! But I still disagree with the whole "super-uber-l337-pilit-stone-killa" attitude, and the posts demonstrating that attitude just won't disappear. In a text forum you can't pile on, then act like the voice of reason. The history is there for all to see.
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But get off my back. I am truly tired of your whining about how I am ruining your online experience.
hehe....
Wow, and you call me arrogant:)?
1st, I've never @#$#% you or anyone else over either vox or ch200 about any aspect of gameplay. You posted a whine and I (and many others) simply tried to educate you (a hopeless task apparently).
2nd, you couldn't rain on my parade (in AH or elsewhere) if you wanted to...you simply dont have it in you.
3rd, I clearly stated the need to broaden and mass market the game (as I stated above). However, the core element of the game is and always will be air combat. That really is the whole driving force behind TOD...to create an enviorment designed and better suited for you guys.
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AS CREATOR OF THIS THREAD I HEREBY DEEM IT DEAD.
Enough has been said by both sides...quite often many times over.
The next person who replies will get scabbies. The curse will multiple for each reply thereafter. You have been warned.
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Originally posted by FiLtH
AS CREATOR OF THIS THREAD I HEREBY DEEM IT DEAD.
Enough has been said by both sides...quite often many times over.
The next person who replies will get scabbies. The curse will multiple for each reply thereafter. You have been warned.
Just testing
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Originally posted by FiLtH
AS CREATOR OF THIS THREAD I HEREBY DEEM IT DEAD.
Enough has been said by both sides...quite often many times over.
The next person who replies will get scabbies. The curse will multiple for each reply thereafter. You have been warned.
See Rule #6.
:D
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The funny part is that everyone in this thread has pretty much come to see each other's POV and acknowlege that "the other side" has made a good point or two excpet for Shubie who seems not only to be arguing with everyone but himself as well. Guess the hospital/institution gave him those scripts for a reason eh?
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ewwww, scabbies, yum.
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:rofl
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Well, Risking Scabbies... Here are a couple random thoughts
1. Remember Me? lol I might actual find time to get active again.
2. I figured out along time ago, Im not going to get upset by other peoples actions. Having expectations of people leads to disappointment. This is true in fly as well as real life. If you want to circle tumbleweeds, bomb deadly static objects, give orders to the rest of the world, whatever, Its not going to upset me.
3 The CAF- Cactus Air Force, probably one of the oldest continuously active squads flying today. its been over a decade and many of our pilots have been flying that long.
Cactus Air Force (http://www.cactusairforce.org)
4 The BKs are flying Rook? that might be way fun, would love to zip thru their swarm and joke a bit. that slapshot is such a hocky puck
5 Filth, gosh, I need to get up and fly with ya some.
6 Dont ya just love the frustration flying brings. :D sometimes people just got to blow steam
7 As much as I dont agree with it, The goal of AH MA is capture the flag. Reset is the built in goal. Everything else is suppost to develope from the goal of reset. Doesnt mean you need to play that game, and I have no complaints if you dont. Plenty of room for all type of play. I also dont come unglued if "We are going to lose 43!!!!!"
8 Have fun and most importantly enjoy those poeple around you that have a common love for AH. The People I have met, be they squaddie, countrymen or virtual enemies have met over my years has made it all worthwhile.
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I'm trying, but I just don't hear a fat lady singing yet.
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See Rule #5
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I just love how everyone assumes that "furball" types ONLY "respect" people that fly "TnB" planes... Dig that one up, would ya?
Basically, when all is said and done, no matter if you want to win the war or not, there are only two types of players. The ones who will try to turnfight a Spit in a Mustang, and the ones that won't.
The former group TRIES. The latter tries to not have to try.
This translates into the FH up/down debate, if you think about it.
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Originally posted by beet1e
Hell, what am I talking about. X0847Marine said it better than anyone could in an earlier thread: To which my considered response was...
You should have picked a better example. Unfortunately, the player picked to represent your views is pretty much describing himself in that post. xMarine (in game call sign) is rather vocal and free with the salute every time he is shot down.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
You should have picked a better example. Unfortunately, the player picked to represent your views is pretty much describing himself in that post. xMarine (in game call sign) is rather vocal and free with the salute every time he is shot down.
ack-ack
He's moved on to getting shot down from just bailing at the first sight of a challenge though, eh? It's a start :D
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Originally posted by Vudak
I just love how everyone assumes that "furball" types ONLY "respect" people that fly "TnB" planes... Dig that one up, would ya?
Basically, when all is said and done, no matter if you want to win the war or not, there are only two types of players. The ones who will try to turnfight a Spit in a Mustang, and the ones that won't.
The former group TRIES. The latter tries to not have to try.
This translates into the FH up/down debate, if you think about it.
:aok
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
You should have picked a better example. Unfortunately, the player picked to represent your views is pretty much describing himself in that post. xMarine (in game call sign) is rather vocal and free with the salute every time he is shot down.
Ack-Ack – I don’t think Xmarine’s online persona in any way invalidates what he said in the text I quoted.
There is a nucleus of players that think that they are “better” than the next man or “more brave” or “less timid” – because they engage in air to air combat for its own sake, with no objective, and yet are disdainful of any other form of gameplay which they lump into a category with the somewhat disrespectful tag of “toolshed killing”. I used to think of AH as a simulation of WW2 combat which did of course involve operations by land, sea and air. Indeed, the AH website used to describe the objective of Aces High as “Capturing territory through the use of air, land and sea power”.
I believe you are in the gaming business, in which case you of all people know well that all these online games – whether it’s Quake, Silent Hunter, Aces High, or even Chess involve the subscriber sitting at a computer screen, engaged in a contest with an opponent. There are three possible outcomes – victory, defeat, or stand off. Beyond that, all are just games involving icons on a computer screen.
So the notion that the crowd who engage only in air to air combat being more brave/less timid or more skilled is nothing more than a pile of steaming bovine excrement. Xmarine’s point is that it’s a GAME – played by twisting a stick against icons on a computer screen. No game or gameplay method within a game poses any greater risk to the player than any other game or method of playing. Some people, like rshubert, want to experience the full spectrum of WW2 combat. The reaction of some people is to try to shame him into playing *their way*.
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>>But as I noticed, as did my squaddies, others would "come along" to just vulch. So we'd move to a different front and do the same thing. Finally, I'd had enough as did my squaddies, you'll notice Odd is a lot more calm today becuase of it. <<
Hehe, stick and move, stick and move :)
Filth rarely posts his disgust in here, so he musta been po'ed. We have seen this so often, and it does get old. However, we don't switch countries, to get away from it. I am sure it happens a lot over in Bish and Knitland. Some nights I get pissed and log because of it, other times we just move on elsewhere and leave the vulch dweebs to themselves; they usually get overwhelmed and run away to safer sectors and start all over again.
:aok
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See Rule #4, #5
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Yeah, kill this one already plz
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I said it once, i'll say it again...
Before I said this in a reply to Roscoroo's thread "Rookland needs a good kick"
When the bombers kill the FHz, it takes the fun away from the fighters. When the fighters have nothing to shoot, they leave. And when they leave, there's no cap for the bombers, which in turn causes no capture. The line has been drawn in the sand between the fighters and the bombers for quite sometime. Either have to get over it, or go somewhere else.
If you are one of those people who just HAVE to kill the FHz, do it at a back base. One day people will realize when you kill the FHz at the base you're trying to take, the enemy just comes in higher and faster from another base. And please, learn how to take out the VH. Everyone is quick to yell "YOU TRY BEING THE GUY IN THE GOON WHO GETS SHOT DOWN BY THE FIGHTERS TAKING OFF FROM THE BASE!!!" Get over it, what happens when you don't kill the VH? They up GVz, go to the city, or they kill the fighters there vulchin to keep your precious bombers clear to kill they CITY and drop troops.
Believe it or not, bases CAN be taken without killing the FHz. Used to happen all the time, and sometimes I still see squads doin' it now. Trust me, if the bombers kill the VH, and head straight for the town, if there's people there, they'll cap the field.