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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: mkaykov on August 05, 2005, 01:30:05 PM
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There aren't enough planes from da soviet union, but the collection of german planes is amazing
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That's nothing... The Italian planeset has only 2 planes, and both are different versions of the same airframe!
The Japanese are missing the betty bomber, the germans are missing an early bomber, a heinkel, and maybe a dornier or something. The Brits are missing EVERY bomber they had, except the lancaster. The americans are missing the light b-25 (glass nosed, PLEASE, no more hard nose stuff!) bomber, and there are lots of planes that are missing.
The russian planeset as it is has a lot of monsters. Historically it was full of flops. I'd like to see the flops put into AH, for scenarios and setups. Mig3, etc. The ones that were failures, and inferior. That type of stuff. It would round out the fighters a lot. I'd also like to see a few bombers, but that can wait.
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Can't you just stop being so blind and partial ?
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Getting accurate flight data for Russian planes is very difficult, I've read, which probably explains why we're missing so many.
I'd like to see the Mig-3, Pe-2, and Polikarpov I-16 "Rata". And maybe one of the Tupolev bombers...the Tu-2 or 4. I can't remember.
MRPLUTO
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I believe the more common Tu was the 1944 Tu-2. It was Pe2, Tu2, and Il4, the Pe and Tu had the same numbers, I think
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Wouldn't really matter for the MA... HTC could add dozens of Soviet fighters, but we already have the only one that would get flown.
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I'd fly the MiG-3. But then again, I'm a MiG fan :D
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We *need* the MiG-3. It's superior to the 109's up high, and takes a lot of skill to fly it properly.
Better than the Yaks, in my opinion.
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we need a japanese jug *betty i think*
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Originally posted by TheThang
we need a japanese jug *betty i think*
the japanese jug would be the Ki-44!
(http://ddwngauge.homestead.com/KI-44_023.jpg)
(http://www.aero-pix.com/dayton03/ww2/p47/p47-b.jpg)
see the similarities? :)
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Originally posted by 1K3
the japanese jug would be the Ki-44!
(http://ddwngauge.homestead.com/KI-44_023.jpg)
(http://www.aero-pix.com/dayton03/ww2/p47/p47-b.jpg)
see the similarities? :)
no wonder they lost the war those plastic planes didnt stand a chance against our metal ones :D
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Never realized how much they are alike, almost as if the Ki-44 is a three quarter scale model of the P-47 :D
I'd like to see the I-153 and I-16 added. Almost cartoony but historically very significant.
Maybe even oddities like a Defiant and a Swordfish. The first is useless of course, the second will give a whole new meaning to the expression 'sitting duck'. But they WERE significant, just ask the Italian Navy and U-boat crews in the North Atlantic. It was also equipped (in later years) with ASV radar and rockets, not bad for a bi-plane with struts and wires that can be run down by a Sopwith Camel.
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Japanese bombers first, Betty, and I'd love to see later war dive & torp bombers jill & judy along with existing Kate & val. Now would also be a good time for Mavis or Emily flying boats.
Ki-43,44,45 along with either a ki- 84 4 cannon varient.
Russian set the only bomber is the iL2.
So yes to Pe2, Tu2, and Il4. Mig 3, & yak 3 would also be nice.
Italian set needs everything!
Bombers, fighters & attack AC.
Germany needs bombers also. At least give us one! Condor would be my choice, didn't have huge loadout, but range was impressive.
RAF has a long list of bombers we need.
US only needs B25.
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What i would like to know is, should they use lend lease AC for the russian plane set. Like the p-39 and kill 2 birds with 1 stone so to speak. Don't get me wrong purley russion planes would be great also.
Bronk
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Yes, more Russian planes! Fighters come more often so I have more hope for those.
For events, the most substituted planes are the Betty, the He111 and the Pe2 so those would be my first wish.
Then an Italian bomber followed by most of Ghosts' list with emphasis on the Russian and Japanese planesets.
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Originally posted by Bronk
What i would like to know is, should they use lend lease AC for the russian plane set. Like the p-39 and kill 2 birds with 1 stone so to speak. Don't get me wrong purley russion planes would be great also.
Bronk
In the case of the P-39 I think it would be acceptable. The Cobra was much more loved and put to much better use by the Russians than it ever was by the US.
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Originally posted by mkaykov
This game is Fighterace. it has a huge amount of Soviet, Japanese, American, and German planes. In Total, 107 aircraft to Fly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! much better graphics!
http://www.357th-fg.com/DL/FA3.8-full.exe
No. It's not anywhere near the level of quality of AHII.
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What makes AHII better?
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P-39 AirCobra I can see being used in the MA.
(http://www.warbirdphotos.net/aviapix/Fighters/P39/p39.2.large.jpg)
Probably the only Russian fighter they need to add, the rest being bombers.
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Originally posted by mkaykov
What makes AHII better?
Everything?
Ok, better flight models by far. Better ballistics modeling. Better graphics on the units at AH2 graphics standards, more of which exist each new version. Heck, most of the old graphics are better as Fighter Ace uses the hideous, disjointed photo textures on everything.
AH2 is just so far superior that an comparison is laughable.
Sunking,
I think the I-16-24 might see some use too.
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Originally posted by SunKing
P-39 AirCobra I can see being used in the MA.
Probably the only Russian fighter they need to add, the rest being bombers.
Only, it's not russian... and it wasn't until the lend-lease got going that they had it.. We currently have no early VVS aircraft at all... So, for example, you can't have any early-war setups where the Germans invade Russia, because there just aren't the proper historical aircraft.
I'd love to see a "first-strike" type of scenario/setup for vvs/lw, but I don't think we will have the planeset for some time.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Only, it's not russian... and it wasn't until the lend-lease got going that they had it.. We currently have no early VVS aircraft at all... So, for example, you can't have any early-war setups where the Germans invade Russia, because there just aren't the proper historical aircraft.
I'd love to see a "first-strike" type of scenario/setup for vvs/lw, but I don't think we will have the planeset for some time.
True but I think it's a plane we need and we can put it in the "Russian" plane set and still get away with it.
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Originally posted by SunKing
P-39 AirCobra I can see being used in the MA.
(http://www.warbirdphotos.net/aviapix/Fighters/P39/p39.2.large.jpg)
Probably the only Russian fighter they need to add, the rest being bombers.
How about the LaGG-3, MiG-3, Yak-1, and Yak-3?
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Originally posted by Fruda
How about the LaGG-3, MiG-3, Yak-1, and Yak-3?
PreCISEly!!!
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All of those planes are great. BUT I would like to see the KI-44 introduced. Give the japanese a good early war plane and... well I just like it...:)
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The japanese *have* a good early war plane. It even climbs 10x better since AH2 changed the way things work. It's the A6M2. It's nearly unbeatable in a turn fight. Heck the 2 even out turns the 5.
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Also the Ki-44 is mid-war, not early war. The two early war Japanese fighters are the A6M2 and Ki-43.
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Originally posted by mkaykov
What makes AHII better?
The people
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Originally posted by Karnak
Also the Ki-44 is mid-war, not early war. The two early war Japanese fighters are the A6M2 and Ki-43.
The Ki-43 was the open cockpit deal, with the fixed landing gear, right?
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Originally posted by Krusty
The Ki-43 was the open cockpit deal, with the fixed landing gear, right?
No, that is the A5M.
The Ki-43 looks a lot like a smaller, less advanced Ki-84.
The A5M and Ki-27 did see some service, but very little as they were at the tail end of their service lives when Japan went to war against the US and UK. They saw a lot more service against China before they attacked us.
Saburo Sakai got his first few kills in the A5M1. The A5M, Ki-27 and Ki-43-I were armed with two 7.7mm machine guns. The Ki-43-II-Otsu was armed with two 12.7mm machine guns.
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Originally posted by mkaykov
This game is Fighterace. it has a huge amount of Soviet, Japanese, American, and German planes. In Total, 107 aircraft to Fly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! much better graphics!
LMFAO gemme some of what that guys smoking!
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Originally posted by Karnak
Also the Ki-44 is mid-war, not early war. The two early war Japanese fighters are the A6M2 and Ki-43.
The first Ki-44 prototype took to the air for the first time in August of 1940.
The pre-production aircraft and two of the prototypes (which had been brought up to pre-production standard) were turned over to the Army for service trials on September 15, 1941. They were handed over to an experimental squadron, the Kawasemi Butai, for service trials. The unit was sent to China for combat trials, and in May 1942 was renamed 47th Dokuritsu Dai Chijugo Chutai. In September of 1942, all tests were completed and the type was accepted for service with the JAAF.
http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_other/ki44.html
This was less than a year after PH for service acceptance.
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I think both Ki43 and Ki44, and the Ki61
fly from '42 to '45 in different versions.
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The Ki-44 does, but in such insignificant numbers that I really dismiss it as a 1942 fighter. It is well into 1943 before the -I gets into real service and 4th quarter '43 before the -II gets into service.