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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sandman_SBM on March 28, 2001, 10:43:00 PM
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Enjoy (http://mindprod.com/christianity.html).
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Wow. That guy is a bigot of the lowest order.
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Bigot? I thought that term applied to misogynists, homophobes and rascists...
If you're anti-christian, you're a bigot?
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cheers,
sand
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I apply it to people who spread negative false stereotypes about large groups of people.
Racial or gender or sexual-preference persecution are bad but religious persecution is OK?
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 03-28-2001).]
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Sandman I do hope your kidding? Im no big christian and not particulary religious, and I dont go to church but im pretty damn sick of that aspect of my general cultural hertige being bashed these days by all sorts of new-age smart tulips who think its cool to bash christianity. Ill bet these same salamanders dont think its cool if somebody goes after the Buddist religin or the Moslem religion. Christianity is just that another religion that brings spiritual fulfliment and hope to its followers, nothing more nothing less.
With additudes like that it little wonder that desecrations of Christian and Catholic Churches get almost no mention in the press. Its as if large numbers of people think its ok to after that religius group. Its sad and you should be ashmed for supporting it. Get yourself educated sandman stop being so ignorant.
BTW, The guy who wrote the site is a pos biggot.
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Grunherz, don't hold back, tell us how you really feel. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Obviously they don't apply to all Christians, but they do apply to the obnoxious Christians, the ones who meddle in the affairs of non-Christians.
You actually read it guys? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
You'd also have seen the use of "fundamentalist Christian" several times. Not yer average Christian, I'd say.
He even provides some backup for what he is saying, such as pointing out factual errors and inconsistencies that make taking the bible literally quite hard.
OTOH, he IS quite infammatory, and on purpose (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
But, even so, he does say some things that are true and verifiable.
he is a fellow StSantaist by heart, I can tell you that. Am working hard to wrest control of this world, and people like this are my stormtroopers. Soon, all shall be mine. All.
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
- D. Hrabak, JG 54 "Grünherz"
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Sorry Santa, his disclaimer is vague and unconvincing. If I wrote a thousand word essay on "Why Black People Suck" and then put at the end "This only applies to obnoxious black people," can you imagine the response?
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Santa alot of sterotypes "sound" true, but the way they are used they most always ignore specifics and details that show them to be more often false. This is especially true when only one side of an argument is ever able to get its message out- like on this fellows website. Hes got every right to post his beliefs but he cannot be allowed to present them without somebody challeng his points, like were doin here.
Like I said above im no churchgoing religius type now, tho I was raised a Catholic, and it seems that far too often this religious heritage is the one open to all sorts of new-age attacks and degradation. What saddens me most these attacks come from people who are supposedly the most accepting and tolerant new-age progressive people. Dont they see the hipocrisy?
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Ouch.
He was much harsher than I am when I debate these things.
I will admit to using some of those arguments, but I tend to use softer language. I have accused religious people and atheists of being delusional or liars though. (I'm agnostic, for what its worth)
He was WAY to harsh in order to have any debate.
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For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
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"Christian prudery kills kids...."
Hehe, another anti-Christian polemic from some idiot. Goebbels woulda been proud.
Talk about a "Nazi"........
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"He was WAY to harsh in order to have any debate."
Well, seeing as how this moron used the word "Combat" methinks the writer would like a war....
How "Liberal" of him.....
Cabby
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You guys take me way too seriously some times (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
StSantaism today! Do your work; call 0-666-SATAN (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
- D. Hrabak, JG 54 "Grünherz"
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I know where this guy Roedy Green is at. He's all caught up in the throes of angry atheism. Been there done that... got the t-shirt. .. I understand his motivation. IMHO, you have to be non-christian to see all the cultural biases and religious persecution of non-christians.
He'll possibly get over it and learn tolerance. That.. or get shot by some right-wing bible toting fundamentalist nutbag. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Christians... go right ahead... be christian. I like no one better than someone that is a true believer and doesn't need me to agree with him to be happy. The true believers are not threatened by opinions like Roedy Green's and understand that religion is a personal issue and really should not be a cultural one.
FWIW... I started out babtist. Gave up on christianity 15 years ago. I do agree with a lot of the statements but Mr. Green needs to work on his delivery. Mr. Green also needs to realize that he's wasting his time.
Listen guys... I may drop a few bombs in here. I don't always agree with the statements but topics that polarize the community is one way to learn about each other. Yeah... it's going to sting and noses will be bumped, but that's part of the fun. Besides... it's a lot more interesting than simply posting, "Poll: Christian/Atheist/Other".
Peace.
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cheers,
sand
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You know you guys are really starting to anger me with all this factual displacement BS
"New Age"?
We've been around a thousand years longer than you buddy boy, In fact, most of your churches are built atop our alters.
Keep trying to suppress the truth, Your self-imposed rules will catch up to you one day.
But not just yet (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Blessed be all, (and I do mean all)
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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"
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Hehe... wiccans... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Childhood brainwashing makes Christians so dense they cannot for the life of them see the difference between
rejecting the divinity and rejecting the Christian description of the divinity.
ROTFLOL!!!
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Hehe, that was a good satirical essay (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
But he does have a point that I always use when those "Campus Crusade for Christ" (college-based religious nuts that go around bugging people to accept christ as their saviour 24/7..college version of jehova's witnesses!) guys and they try to debate why I "refuse" their ways: Hypocrisy. Throught the whole bible there is direct "orders" from the "top" to be kind to each other and avoid greed and the unnecessary accumulation of wealth, etc etc. Yet I see the church building huge gold-covered cathedrals, selling absolutions for a price, indulging in trade monopolies, etc (middle ages and even today).
Imo, the world's first and biggest megacorporation is still out there, and its still after your money.
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World's second. First one is the military (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Cheers,
Pepe
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Originally posted by cabby:
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"Christian prudery kills kids...."
Hehe, another anti-Christian polemic from some idiot. Goebbels woulda been proud.
Talk about a "Nazi"........
Does "Gott mit uns" ring a bell? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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"I think I´ll believe in Gosh instead of God. If you don´t
believe in Gosh too, you´ll be darned to heck."
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Old joke, but funny...
This man in his late 40's dies and hits Heaven. St Peter greets him at the gate "Good morning, and welcome to Heaven" he says. The man looks a bit befuddled, but manages to shake St Peter's hand. "How about a tour?" St Pete asks..."Uhhmm, ok".
St Peter takes him on the grand tour, showing him everything. They come to a large open courtyard, complete with garden, fountians, and huge trees. "Wow! This sure is a big place!" the man comments. St Peter asks him "Would you like to meet people from different religious backgrounds?". The man looks around for a second "Sure, why not". So St Peter shows him where everyone hangs out.
"Over there are the Muslims"
"Back in the corner....yeah there, we've got Islam"
"The park bench metting for the Catholics happens every Friday. Hi guys"
"Morning Christians!"
Finally they come to a large brick wall, with a small ladder leaning against it. The man, naturally curious, speaks up "Hey, St Pete! What's back there?". St Peter slaps him hand over the man's mouth "Shhh!!! We have to stay quiet". The man nods and whispers "So what's on the flip side of the wall?". St Peter says "Go climb the ladder and see for yourself. But be quiet!".
The man nods, and climbs the ladder. On the other side of this massive wall are people. A HUGE amount of people! He stays there for a few minutes before coming down. "There's people over there, why?"
St Peter says "Those are Atheists, they think they're here by themselves."
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I'm gonna go out there and remove one of His creations from this universe.
And when I get back I'm gonna drink a bottle of Scotch like it was Chiggy von
Richthofen's blood and celebrate his death."
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I saw nothing wrong with his essay. Like Tac says, it's good satire.
TAC I'm with you on the Campus Evangelists. All the ones I met were the most judgemental, reactionary and above all dull people I ever met at university.
In one case, Durham University Christian Union publically criticised a Christian member for having a relationship with a non-Christian. And there was me thinking that University was a open-minded progressive kind of place. Fortunately, 95% of people were.
The 'normal' Christians were ok, and several are good friend - we argued quite a lot, but in a good natured way. They knew they would never convert me, and I knew I could never convert them.
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Tac, no church I belong to builds cathedrals or takes part in monopolies or selling absolutions. And I know people in campus Christian organizations who are not like you or Dowding say at all. They aren't "bugging" people, and they aren't "dull" or "judgemental". If you don't want to hear their message they will respect that and not hold it against you. And compared to Mr. Green and some of the people on this BBS, they are far more tolerant of people with different beliefs than theirs. I'm sure there are some who are different, who are not tolerant or respectful of others' beliefs, but for you guys to refer to the whole group in this way shows some pretty serious prejudice. Shall I conclude that all Colombians are plane-whiners and all Englishmen are infidels? (Kidding there but I think you can see the folly of such a belief)
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I'm just relating what I've experienced. Not an infintely broad experience admittedly, but I could see the difference between the two groups all the time.
There were ones who had newly found Christianity, and those that had been comfortable with it all their lives. I preferred the latter group. I'm not saying all Evangelists are 'awful' people, just the ones I met.
Every year, the Union tried to persuade us mere non-believers to change our ways - after four years it got a little insulting. "Sorry, I'm not interested" didn't seem to be understood too well.
I am not prejudiced, my best mate is a serious, every-sunday-at-church Catholic. I just resent people who push their way of life onto me, as if mine is irrelevant and of no consequence. I find that deeply offensive.
Hey, does that make a conservative? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
BTW, I am an infidel. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Infidel... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I prefer the term, godless heathen. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Yes Dowding you Godless Heathen! Ah that feels better. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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funked, i do not know what church you belong to, but the church that's headquartered in the vatican right now did (and does) build massive and ostentive (spelled right?) cathedrals and did sell absolutions at one point in time. The Jesuits are the most powerful sect.. why? They are extremely wealthy, with connections and resources. That you dont see their influence is not strange, they dont exactly advertise. Just look into Church history (no religious view please, just what they did). Its a great venture in power and economics. It still is.
I am not prejudiced against the religious organizations, im just fed up of them following me around. The same individual will only talk to me once or twice, but the next one that comes along is a different individual... and so on and on and on. I, as a student do not need to be harrased by 20+ people a week, questioning MY beliefs. Its the equivalent of having every phone company out there calling you every day to offer their services to you, in some cases several times a day.
There has to be a different way of getting converts other than harrasment. Be it intentional or unintentional (and I think its intentional, the group has received several signed requests by the U. students to stop it.. they havent)
I do not prejudice against people (well, except N1k drivers) or against groups, but there is a limit as to how much tolerance you can show them when they are so forcefully trying to pry their noses into MY life. I leave them alone, they dont leave me alone, thats about as short as I can put it.
Come to think of it... I should start a group to follow those guys around to question their beliefs. I'm sure they would not like it. I sure as heck dont.
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sageFIN:
"Repeat a lie(the more outrageous the better) often enough and it becomes the truth".
Familiar??? It was to Goebbels and the Nazis. Common tactic of despots and corrupt politicians(i.e. Bill Clinton)the world over...
The rest of you:
It is NOT a Sin to be wealthy. Wealth does not equal evil. However, ENVY is a sin, and a very ugly character flaw.........
The Catholic Church runs one of the largest(and most liberal)charity organizations in the world. Remember Mother Theresa?? Just one of thousands of dedicated, self-sacrificing Catholics. They DO something about the human condition. Not just WHINE about it.......
Get a clue......
Cabby
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yes cabby, there are a few bright stars amongst the flock of black sheep.
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Tac, I don't belong to any Italian church. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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cc (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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what funked said.