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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Vudak on August 08, 2005, 09:38:28 AM
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Just a quick question for you that have your carry permits... What is the procedure for when you are pulled over and have the weapon on you? I'd imagine (and wouldn't blame) the officer would have you go through the whole hands on top of head deal for his/your safety?
I mean, how do you go about being pulled over? Surely you announce it right away so there aren't problems later?
I've just been curious about this for awhile... Any of you pulled over/what happened?
Thanks,
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I have a friend whos a state patrol officer. He said "Do not announce you have a weapon if you are licensed to carry and conceal. Then we have to spend the next hour securing the weapon first, then verifying that you have a permit. If we ASK you if you have a weapon, then go ahead and tell us."
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Here in Michigan, by law you have to tell the officer if you are armed right at the beginning of the stop.
I just hand him the D/L, registration and CCW at the same time and tell him im armed, never had a problem.
shamus
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He restrained me during a traffic stop. A cop friend I shoot with (in Michigan, btw) says:
Tell the cop you have a permit, and are armed.
Do not show him the gun unless asked. He's seen them before.
If he asks to see it, remind him that it is safest when nobody is screwing around with it.
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CCW permit holders in Ohio may not have the weapon concealed on their person while they are in a motor vehicle.
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Instructor for my CCW class (Phoenix PD Swat Officer) recomended the following for ANY traffic stop (armed or not) - it makes the cops less nervous:
- pull over in a safe spot
- shut off car engine
- roll down window
- turn on interior light (if dark)
- keep both hands where easily seen (on steering wheel?)
- comply with all requests the LEO makes
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As you can see, laws vary greatly from state to state. Also, even in states with CC permits, the extent to which they honor out of state permits varies.
See if this helps........
http://www.packing.org
They have all the states listed, what the laws are, and to what extent they honor out of state permits.
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Thanks for the replies fellas - that's been puzzling me for awhile now.
Interesting read, SA2 - thanks!
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Was pulled over by a State Trooper while speeding one day. He asked about weapons and I told him I had a pistol in the trunk. He asked about a permit and I showed him my permit. He looked at the pistol, unloaded it and radioed in the permit information. Took about 15 minutes or so. All was OK and he handed me back the bullets first and then the pistol and got in his car and drove off.
He gave me a warning ticket for speeding. He looked at me after the check and said "I like your gun. I believe in the 2nd Amendment."
I thanked him. Was a bit humorous when he was looking for the pistol where I told him it was and he still had a hard time finding it. I kept it in an old pillow innards I used for cushioning things in the trunk. He said he could feel it but couldn't find it with his hand. I asked, "Ya want me to get it for you?" He laughed and said no I'll find it.:)
Les
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Never could figure out why the cops wanted to see the gun much less handle it.
lazs
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Hi Lazs. After asking if I had hand grenades, contraband, explosives. dead bodies or hand guns in the car, I figgured I better tell the truth.
Of course I could have lied and said no, I don't have any of those things, but then, if a search occured and he found it, where do you think I would be?
He was a nice guy. Think he had pulled me over once before speeding as a patrol officer in town. He gave me a ticket and two weeks later he caught me again and didn't give me a ticket, because he said one was enough.
He was pretty cool and I had respect for him.
Les
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yep.. he seemed nice enough but... why does he have to even pick the gun up once he sees it? So far I have seen cops struggle with a top break revolver, a single action colt and a model 90 winchester and a model 97 winchester shotgun. Probly still be struggling if I didn't tell em how.
Trying to work the action of firearms you are not familiar with and don't know if they are loaded or not is probly not the safest thing you can do. probly better just secure them while the check is being made.
lazs
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I always hand the officer my license and my carry permit, and tell him I have the weapon. I keep my interior lights on, and my hands on the wheel. When the officer approaches, I tell him I'm going to reach for my wallet, and do so with one hand. Having been an officer myself, I just try to do what I'd want a citizen to do if I pulled them over. Usually, they do not even ask me to produce the weapon, and I find they are more likely to just give me a verbal warning for speeding and tell me to drive safely since I got the CCW permit. I find that treating them with courtesy and respect, and making them comfortable by being mostly still and announcing my intentions and moving slowly makes them real happy and apt to let me go quickly with no hassle at all. Of course, they are like any other group, and eventually I'll run into one of those ignorant jerks every group has in it. I'll treat him just like I treat the rest, so he has nothing to work with if he wants to cause a problem.
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The main reason a cop would want to see the gun (if in the trunk) is so that he can look through your trunk and see what else is back there.
If the gun's on their person, I don't see why a cop would want to take the risk of them pulling it out. The safest place for it (for cop and CCW holder) is in its holster.
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Offtopic but, why would you want to carry one anyways? If you are scared about your safety maybe a bullet proof car or vest.
On a side note, has anyone seen those armored SUV's they put 50 cal guns in the back of? They use them for security deatial in iraq and such, computer operated gun.
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
As you can see, laws vary greatly from state to state. Also, even in states with CC permits, the extent to which they honor out of state permits varies.
See if this helps........
http://www.packing.org
They have all the states listed, what the laws are, and to what extent they honor out of state permits.
My Pennsylvania CCW is honored by...Alaska? Ironic, since I can't legally take it there :rolleyes:
As for the body armor:
a) I've worn it once, when I had to drive 60 miles in the ice and snow on back roads one day in the winter. I wore it so if I crashed, the seatbelt wouldn't break my ribs (which happened in a previous accident)
b) How often do you hear about body armor saving a CIVILIAN'S (NOTE: Not Law Enforcement Officer, not Soldier) life?
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Originally posted by AdmRose
My Pennsylvania CCW is honored by...Alaska? Ironic, since I can't legally take it there :rolleyes:
As for the body armor:
a) I've worn it once, when I had to drive 60 miles in the ice and snow on back roads one day in the winter. I wore it so if I crashed, the seatbelt wouldn't break my ribs (which happened in a previous accident)
b) How often do you hear about body armor saving a CIVILIAN'S (NOTE: Not Law Enforcement Officer, not Soldier) life?
Why couldn't you legally take it there?
Are you a fellon?
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Originally posted by Lizard3
Why couldn't you legally take it there?
Are you a fellon?
Only way to Alaska is through Canada - my handgun falls on their 'forbidden to transport through the country' list
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Originally posted by AdmRose
Only way to Alaska is through Canada
The ONLY way?
1. Boat
2. Airplane
3. Spaceship
etc etc etc
You could ship it to a dealer up there and pick it up after you cross the border, or just follow the standard airlines procedures for transporting a handgun on a flight (unloaded in an approved, locked case, checked as baggage).
You don't HAVE to drive there...
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Got pulled over one night with a buddy because of a broken tail light on my boat trailer. He asked me to step out of the car and at that point i told him that i had a pistol under my seat. He said to step out and he was going to put the pistol in his car. He did so and helped me fix my tail light and didnt give me a ticket. He also said he like my gun lol. I dont think he ran my CCW permit but thats texas.
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Originally posted by AdmRose
Only way to Alaska is through Canada - my handgun falls on their 'forbidden to transport through the country' list
Really? They must've changed in...30 yrs. Pop transported a 1911, 30.06 and a .38 when we moved down from AK.
I guess 30 yrs is a bit long to expect things to stay the same. Ignore me!
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Originally posted by AdmRose
My Pennsylvania CCW is honored by...Alaska? Ironic, since I can't legally take it there :rolleyes:
As for the body armor:
a) I've worn it once, when I had to drive 60 miles in the ice and snow on back roads one day in the winter. I wore it so if I crashed, the seatbelt wouldn't break my ribs (which happened in a previous accident)
b) How often do you hear about body armor saving a CIVILIAN'S (NOTE: Not Law Enforcement Officer, not Soldier) life?
Its been covered, but yes there are plenty of legal ways to get your carry weapon to Alaska. Its listed because (no matter if you can get it there or not), Alaska reciprocates with all concealed carry states (I believe). If I'm wrong please let me know. They even list Hawaii, and NO private citizen here has a concealed carry permit.
As for the body armor question, if you are a civilian and live somewhere dangerous enough that you need to consider wearing it for protection, you need to move.
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Originally posted by Lizard3
Really? They must've changed in...30 yrs. Pop transported a 1911, 30.06 and a .38 when we moved down from AK.
I guess 30 yrs is a bit long to expect things to stay the same. Ignore me!
From what I read there is an "OK" list, a "must declare" list, and a "forbidden" list. My .38 has a 2" barrel - its on the forbidden list.
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I got pulled over for speeding by a Va State Trooper a couple of years ago. I was returning from PA to northern VA.
I neglected to mention that I had a CCW permit, as I was'nt carrying (had to pass through the republic of maryland on the way home).
When he came back to have me sign the "payin paper", he asked "Sir , are you armed today?" I said "No sir,I would have told you if I was".
He said "You should carry it everywhere you go, sign here please".
Point is, Hand over the Dl and CCW at the same time, and let them know if your carrying so they don't have to wonder about it.
The good thing about a CCW is that even if you don't carry, most Cops consider it a " Good Guy Card".