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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Rino on August 09, 2005, 12:19:19 AM
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I understand the need for ENY, but at times it seems truly
unbalanced. For example, just left the arena with 150 knights,
89 rooks and about 57 bish. ENY for Knights was at 49ish, but
the rooks had no restrictions at all.
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Just go to rook or bish then.
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Not really interested in leaving for temporary inbalance. The
ENY thing did it's job for me anyway, I logged off. I understand
why the ENY was so high for the Knights, just wondered how the
Rooks managed to have 50% more players than the Bish, yet no
ENY restriction at all.
I'm not all that interested in the landgrab, and generally don't
fly or drive late war/perk vehicles. Last night was a triple
whammy for non-grabbers though. No aircraft after 1940, no GV
heavier than an M-8 and no AAA vehicles at all.
Makes it difficult to compete, and not worth country jumping
for something that will only last a few hours at most.
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LMAO why would rooks need the EMY thing? so whta that they out number the bish by 32 ppl but they are still outnumber by the nit by 61.
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ENY doesn't work with this #s,
i don't care if i'm getting vulched by horde in LA7s or LA5s, same chit, i got ussed getting vulched, :)
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I think the reason that this system was implemented was to encourage people to even out the teams and hopefully lessen the gangbanging that was rampant in the MA. If you want to fly a low nmy plane when the numbers are skewed, switch teams.
I personaly agree with you and don't country hop, but the philosophy behind the system is sound. No balancing measures would be much worse than what HT has in place.
IMO of course.
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Originally posted by Lazerus
I think the reason that this system was implemented was to encourage people to even out the teams and hopefully lessen the gangbanging that was rampant in the MA. If you want to fly a low nmy plane when the numbers are skewed, switch teams.
I personaly agree with you and don't country hop, but the philosophy behind the system is sound. No balancing measures would be much worse than what HT has in place.
IMO of course.
Yup, anythings better than nothing.
I have seen 2 countries ENY'ed, but it seems to be very rare.
Maybe time to tweak the limits again, don't know about anyone else but my preference was the 'old' system where it started earlier but hit at a lesser rate.
Seems like on average the ENY'ed country has to have at 60+ players more before it even starts.
60 more of any plane is still a handfull.
So what do people prefer given that its here to stay
a) current
b) original i.e. starts earlier but you lose things at lower rate
c) somewhere between
d) new higher where kicks in later but you lose stuff very, very quickly
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Originally posted by SuperDud
Just go to rook or bish then.
That works if you're not affiliated with a one country based squad, such as The Damned Air Group (Knights)
DmdMax
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as long as eny dosnt get over 29 im happy . If you guys hadnt noticed i only fly 30+ eny planes =)
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Originally posted by TheThang
as long as eny dosnt get over 29 im happy . If you guys hadnt noticed i only fly 30+ eny planes =)
We have 30+ ENY planes?
I thought they were Sopwith Camels :)
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I have not seen ENY have ANY effect on country numbers! It's a silly penalty suffered by all who happen to be on the side with the most members. It's very frustrating at the extreme and pretty annoying in general.
IMHO, country jumpers will jump no matter what. Some to get to the side with the advantage, and others to get to the side with the best fites.
Loyalists and country based squads will stay where they are. Like the Damned, the will stay put as we have for nearly
14 years.
I really don't see where ENY has any value other then nixxing LAs, NIKIs, and few other very low ENY planes, I disagree with it totally.
Yes, if I was unattached I would jump to Bish for a night here and there to balance the fight a bit...(shudders at the thought)
Well, there's my $0.02
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here's a suggestion. tie ENY restrictions to the number of players "In Flight" vs. logged on.
Last night, Knit's had 149 players online, with a ENY of 26 or so.
Rooks had 120 something, with an ENY of 6.7 ish.
BUT Knit's in flight were 101 vs. Rooks in flight at 100
Knit's had ONE more player in flight, but suffered from a MUCH higher Eny restriction.
Didn't make sense to me at all.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Yup, anythings better than nothing.
I have seen 2 countries ENY'ed, but it seems to be very rare.
Maybe time to tweak the limits again, don't know about anyone else but my preference was the 'old' system where it started earlier but hit at a lesser rate.
Seems like on average the ENY'ed country has to have at 60+ players more before it even starts.
60 more of any plane is still a handfull.
So what do people prefer given that its here to stay
a) current
b) original i.e. starts earlier but you lose things at lower rate
c) somewhere between
d) new higher where kicks in later but you lose stuff very, very quickly
I strongly agree. I know the ENY thing is a pain, but there is MUCH more fun to be had when the sides are roughly even. AH seems to have troubel maintaining that rough parity of players, because each side seems to take turns getting swarmed.
ROUGH number balance is SO important to intermediate players, that it seems to me that it ought to be a priority for HTC. I dont like 30v5 hordes, adn generally avoid them like the boring plague they are. I'm not good enough for 5v30 defenses, so I dont last long enough to have fun when we're getting hammered. I've tried switching to the low side, but I cant survive the hordes. Porking is no fun to do, and buff hunting takes SO much time. Chasing porkers is futile, to my chagrin -- tehy either run like ninnies or auger.
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Well if the number imbalance was that great, the eny restriction obviously wasn't working to well at that time. I think idea was that people would switch countries, and I don't think most people do.
I think the whole "perk award" for that war winning thing keeps number imbalance to persist. Personnally I find it hard to believe people care much about perk points.
I guess it does help balance numbers to minor degree, as there are some that sign off because isn't fun to play.
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Originally posted by Simaril
. I know the ENY thing is a pain, but there is MUCH more fun to be had when the sides are roughly even.
Yep, but now we have 2 teams having fun, and bish trying to survive
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Originally posted by Lazerus
I think the reason that this system was implemented was to encourage people to even out the teams and hopefully lessen the gangbanging that was rampant in the MA. If you want to fly a low nmy plane when the numbers are skewed, switch teams.
I personaly agree with you and don't country hop, but the philosophy behind the system is sound. No balancing measures would be much worse than what HT has in place.
IMO of course.
I'm not a greedy guy, I'd just like to fly something with more
than 2 fifty cal on it ;)
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Originally posted by ghi
Originally posted by Simaril
. I know the ENY thing is a pain, but there is MUCH more fun to be had when the sides are roughly even.
Yep, but now we have 2 teams having fun, and bish trying to survive [/B]
Suviving reasonably well considering, at least we go down with a fight lol.
Originally posted by Rino
I'm not a greedy guy, I'd just like to fly something with more
than 2 fifty cal on it
Lol, i'm suprised your not ENY'd to slingshots some nights.
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ENY isn't working at all. It still needs to be higher. Last night was an atrocity. At one point, I saw a perk multiplier of 3.24, and later 163s were a whopping 10 perks. Base defense was never so much fun, even though the horde of 38Gs and 110Cs, and hurricanes wasn't much of an improvement over 38Ls, 110Gs, and Spits.
I'll not make any friends here, but if you fly for one country, and one country only, even to the point of upsetting arena balance (and therefore gameplay for all), and you don't like the ENY restriction: just STFU. You're the reason it's implemented.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
[B, and later 163s were a whopping 10 perks. Base defense was never so much fun, . [/B]
O yes, 163s are fun, need perks only not skills to kick aces and horde, would be nice to have them enabled on all bases, when #s are low,
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If this eny thing has to be there, at least grey out the planes not available, instead of having to waste time chasing planes in the hanger as the eny goes up, grey'm out.
perked stuff should always be available no matter what the eny is.
ENY,... booooooo hisssssss boooooo hissssss hissssss
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
ENY isn't working at all. It still needs to be higher. Last night was an atrocity. At one point, I saw a perk multiplier of 3.24, and later 163s were a whopping 10 perks. Base defense was never so much fun, even though the horde of 38Gs and 110Cs, and hurricanes wasn't much of an improvement over 38Ls, 110Gs, and Spits.
I'll not make any friends here, but if you fly for one country, and one country only, even to the point of upsetting arena balance (and therefore gameplay for all), and you don't like the ENY restriction: just STFU. You're the reason it's implemented.
LMAO!
Lets see...
My squad been Knight since the day we found AH, and were Cz since the inception of AW, but you think we should change sides?!
Established squads should not be accused of "upsetting the balance" if they've been there all along. PERIOD! So.......
(resisting the urge to flame your twisted logic) ENY isn't working, and won't ever work. It's a great idea that failed in practice. If you want a suggestion. How about send the lonewolves to the country with lowest numbers on login if the disparity is at some predetermined extreme level. Not that they are any less important, but if they aren't in a squad then they must not have a particular attachment to any certain people...just a passing thought. Perhaps hub has a better idea since he's thought this through so thoroughly(spelling?).
So hub, if we've been where we are for this long, and this issue is so recently resurfaced, how am I and those like me to blame?..huh?....thought so. Makes no sense to me either. So STFU!:aok
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What right does a so called lifer skwad member have to be in a given country over a lone wolf? Everyone pays $14.95, no one has more rights to anything than anyone else.
Chess piece loyalty, hah.
:lol
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As I said...not that they are less important, but maybe they have less connection with any group as they are not in a squad.
I hear your criticism of a briefly /not at all thought through suggestion but I strangely don't see you posting a solution...hmmm
edit: I could care less about the country numbers personally as Knights have been on both sides of it many times! But..again..ENY is a failed attempt at appeasing a bunch o freakin whiners! WWIIonline has gone by the wayside because of limiting equipment, along with several other control factors placed on the paying players. Don't want that to happen here.
ENY is lame, and I'll personally fly an FM2 or a P40 all day long!... :aok
Give us your ideas oh mighty ones......
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Well gee golly, I'm sorry Goose, I didn't realize your heads would explode if you had to do something to contribute the gameplay for the rest of the community. How silly of me. In all honesty, I used to have this misguided perception that I was somehow adding something the game by not moving around and flying with the different folks on different countries. Thankfully, I'm not that stupid anymore.
ENY should be turned up even higher. It does a little to help, which is better than nothing, and certainly better than some of the other options they might have taken. However, I still support additional measures because the "I shouldn't be penalized for my loyalty" bull**** is still prevalent.
You don't want my ideas. You just wanted to pop in, ***** about being kept out of your niki and jet, and then give us your powerful and moving story of your unswerving loyalty. Great. I'm still not moved enough to think the overall quality of gameplay for everyone else is any less important.
Turn ENY up.
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Originally posted by GooseAW
LMAO!
If you want a suggestion. How about send the lonewolves to the country with lowest numbers on login if the disparity is at some predetermined extreme level.
I happen to be in a squad now but being a lone wolf makes absoloutly no difference to my choice of country affiliation. I'm one of those loyalists, I was C'z in AW and I've been Rook since I've been here. I will not accept being dumped into a country not of my choice, I will just log off. I don't think that would help the ENY dilema at all.
If I can't fly a Pony or Spit, I'll climb in a 190 A5, it's a combo of both anyway, but I will not accept being dumped in some other country.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
ENY isn't working at all. It still needs to be higher. Last night was an atrocity. At one point, I saw a perk multiplier of 3.24, and later 163s were a whopping 10 perks. Base defense was never so much fun, even though the horde of 38Gs and 110Cs, and hurricanes wasn't much of an improvement over 38Ls, 110Gs, and Spits.
I'll not make any friends here, but if you fly for one country, and one country only, even to the point of upsetting arena balance (and therefore gameplay for all), and you don't like the ENY restriction: just STFU. You're the reason it's implemented.
Who died and made you AH God?
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Originally posted by Rino
Who died and made you AH God?
Me
You didn't get the memo?
PS:all hail the mighty chess peice!
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Originally posted by SuperDud
Me
You didn't get the memo?
PS:all hail the mighty chess peice!
Seems to me that you guys stick together as you bunny hop
through the countries. Who are you to tell me I can't choose
who I like to fly with because it disturbs YOUR sense of balance.
Of course, heaven forbid anyone dare to challenge the wisdom
of the self appointed monitors of the MA. Get over yourselves
already.
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ENY doesnt bother me. Its far more complicated to switch sides, and stuff than it is to just grab a low class plane. If one side has alot of people, there is quality in numbers. No matter what their flying. And like what was said..its only an hour or two at most.
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Originally posted by Rino
Seems to me that you guys stick together as you bunny hop
through the countries. Who are you to tell me I can't choose
who I like to fly with because it disturbs YOUR sense of balance.
Of course, heaven forbid anyone dare to challenge the wisdom
of the self appointed monitors of the MA. Get over yourselves
already.
Don't bother me one bit, your the one that made this whine thread. Like you said, I'll "bunny hop" where I want and fly what I want. I think it's funny that people whine about not being able to fly their favorite plane b/c they refuse to move from the hording side, to the undermanned side be it do to loyalty or the free perks. While your whining about ENY, I'm flyin a 163 for 10 perkies. And yes, we do stick together don't we? If you saw hubs hiney you'd understand. So challenge away at my wisdom till your blue in the face, I'll just have a good laugh and ignore you as I try to get over my virtual ego and work on my virtual loyalty. It's only a game that really proves nothing in real life after all. Except Morph, he uses this game to get the chickies.
Oh, and thanks for taking the bait:aok Like I care what you guys do with your time/money on this GAME lololol. So until next time pixels!
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If you think ENY doesn't work then you might be looking at it incorrectly. Why shouldn't you just jump countries so you can get the plane you'd like to fly and fly it.
If you're in a squad then take the whole squad with you.
The programmers of this game could care less about loyalty. It's a numbers game not who you fly for so what difference does it make it you switch sides daily?
One thing has changed...you can change countries without losing your squad affilliation so enjoy!
Think about it. Why should you be penalized and not be able to fly any plane you want or can afford? Isn't that what ENY is all about. Do AH a favor and change countries so everyone is even. Change daily! Hey! Ya never know if only a couple change then your original country is still at a loss but you can fly the planes you joined the game to fly.
Yeah, that's it...
Be careful tho. If too many switch then the ENY goes the other way and you gotta switch again.
Maybe we should do away with side switching time limits too so we can switch all the time? Yeah...that would make it really fun. And then think off all the perk points you could win every single time you jumped for the war's end. Heck, you could get perk points to fly all the hot rod planes. But again you have to be careful cause you don't want too many people on your side because you'll never get to use them without switchin sides again. I suppose you could pop in grab the points and pop out, right? Yeah....kewl....but we gotta ask they do away with time limits, right?
Whatcha think?
IMHO we should switch often for points and fun!!!
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Ren
The Damned
:rofl
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I think the big reason it doesn't really work is....Most of your better, more experienced, good sticks can fly a wide variety of planes well, across the entire ENY spectrum. They are far more loyal to their country and squadron affiliation than any given plane. It may work to some extent for the noob who can only get a kill in a Niki/Spit/Lgay7, but those types are of very little value, one uber-ace can out-kill 10 uber-noobs per unit time even if severely plane handicapped. I spoke of this at great length before and at the release of the ENY thing. It just operates contrary to human nature and is therefore flawed intrinsically.
Personally, I would rather fly a 202 or Hurri I than fly for Bishops and would never switch teams for any reason. I'd cancel my account before flying with some of the incredible tards Bishops have.
Zazen
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Originally posted by SuperDud
Don't bother me one bit, your the one that made this whine thread. Like you said, I'll "bunny hop" where I want and fly what I want. I think it's funny that people whine about not being able to fly their favorite plane b/c they refuse to move from the hording side, to the undermanned side be it do to loyalty or the free perks. While your whining about ENY, I'm flyin a 163 for 10 perkies. And yes, we do stick together don't we? If you saw hubs hiney you'd understand. So challenge away at my wisdom till your blue in the face, I'll just have a good laugh and ignore you as I try to get over my virtual ego and work on my virtual loyalty. It's only a game that really proves nothing in real life after all. Except Morph, he uses this game to get the chickies.
Oh, and thanks for taking the bait:aok Like I care what you guys do with your time/money on this GAME lololol. So until next time pixels!
The initial thread was about Rooks having more folks than
bish but still had no limiter. As far as flying my favorite plane..
that's all you sweetheart..I don't have a favorite plane.
I also think it's not my ego that's the issue here pookie.
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Lazerus!!!
You stole my Avatar.
:D
SKUZZY!
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Personally, I would rather fly a 202 or Hurri I than fly for Bishops and would never switch teams for any reason. I'd cancel my account before flying with some of the incredible tards Bishops have.
Zazen
Dude.... lighten up. I switched to Bish lately (Not that I'm any help to them) and haven't noticed any more Tards there than anywhere else. Take a few deep breaths man and CTFO. ;)
Woof
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Originally posted by SkyWolf
Dude.... lighten up. I switched to Bish lately (Not that I'm any help to them) and haven't noticed any more Tards there than anywhere else. Take a few deep breaths man and CTFO. ;)
Woof
I too have flown Bishops. I maintain my position that Bishops have a virtual monopoly on tards. That is not to say they do not have some good people as well or that other teams don't have the odd tard. But those few good people on Bishops are overshadowed by an army of tard kiddies barking orders, crying, whining, pissing and moaning, with or without numbers. Keep in mind Bishops have only really had a #'s problem of any significance for the past 6 to 8 weeks. That is a blink of an eye compared to how long Rooks then Knights enjoyed the very bottom of the bucket. Now look at all the Bish whining that has taken place in that brief time. You'd think the sky was falling by the deafening roar of their crying, whining, pissing and moaning. All the while getting benefit from the ENY limiter. It is all this whining that got the ENY limiter implimented in the first place as a result of Rooks one night a week Sunday RJO's.
Being at the very bottom of the bucket for a good 6 to 8 months like Rooks and Knights were can only help Bishops IMHO. They need to learn to stop quitting and concentrate more on fightering than porking and milkrunning. Constantly being on the defensive will do nothing but help them in this regard. Those that do stick it out on Bish will be better players for it in the long run. Up until recently Bishops have always enjoyed either par numbers or a huge advantage in numbers their entire life in AH.
Bishops were the original gang-banging, horde mongering team, having been the greatest in numbers since beta and gradually tailing off to this point. This has bred an entire generation of what I call, 'Fair Weather Flyers", that is those people who will only hang around, be it online or for that country, if the situation is favorable to them. When the chips are down they either country jump or quit altogether. Watch Bishops when they get down to a few fields on a map, their numbers plummet, other teams get over-bloated and they lose quickly. Compare that to Rooks last week who were in reset corner on NDIsles. We were down to 4 bases at one point and 6 bases several times with HQ vulched. Yet, we fought back and forced that small map to last the entire 7 days from reset Wednesday to reset Wednesday from reset corner, never having the mass exodus of players Bishops do when things get bleak. This epitomizes the heart and soul of the difference between the individuals on those two teams and the feel they generate for each team, both playing for and against them. Bishops have never had the priviledge of wallowing in the very bottom of the bucket as Rooks and Knights have, this will be a new and good experience for them. Unlike Rooks and Knights Bishops have the ENY limiter to make it alot less painfull for them than it was for us.
So, after the Bishops spend a good 6 to 9 months in the very bottom of the bucket, they too can get a tee-shirt like Rooks and Knights have that proudly says, "I survived the Bucket". Call it your true initation to Aces High, enjoy.
Zazen
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Personally ive never swiched sides, and I dont see the need to as long as im happy where i am.
Up to now Id never been touched by ENY limitations at all. Only since im trying to turnfight N1Ks and Typhs have i noticed that theres such a thing.
Whhaaaaaaaa ENY forces me to up a HurriMk1!!!!.... oh.... wait a sec... thats my favorite ride... hmmm...
LOL. Who cares.... Its a *GAME*. Have fun!
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I too have flown Bishops. I maintain my position that Bishops have a virtual monopoly on tards. That is not to say they do not have some good people as well or that other teams don't have the odd tard. But those few good people on Bishops are overshadowed by an army of tard kiddies barking orders, crying, whining, pissing and moaning, with or without numbers. Keep in mind Bishops have only really had a #'s problem of any significance for the past 6 to 8 weeks. That is a blink of an eye compared to how long Rooks then Knights enjoyed the very bottom of the bucket. Now look at all the Bish whining that has taken place in that brief time. You'd think the sky was falling by the deafening roar of their crying, whining, pissing and moaning. All the while getting benefit from the ENY limiter. It is all this whining that got the ENY limiter implimented in the first place as a result of Rooks one night a week Sunday RJO's.
Being at the very bottom of the bucket for a good 6 to 8 months like Rooks and Knights were can only help Bishops IMHO. They need to learn to stop quitting and concentrate more on fightering than porking and milkrunning. Constantly being on the defensive will do nothing but help them in this regard. Those that do stick it out on Bish will be better players for it in the long run. Up until recently Bishops have always enjoyed either par numbers or a huge advantage in numbers their entire life in AH.
Bishops were the original gang-banging, horde mongering team, having been the greatest in numbers since beta and gradually tailing off to this point. This has bred an entire generation of what I call, 'Fair Weather Flyers", that is those people who will only hang around, be it online or for that country, if the situation is favorable to them. When the chips are down they either country jump or quit altogether. Watch Bishops when they get down to a few fields on a map, their numbers plummet, other teams get over-bloated and they lose quickly. Compare that to Rooks last week who were in reset corner on NDIsles. We were down to 4 bases at one point and 6 bases several times with HQ vulched. Yet, we fought back and forced that small map to last the entire 7 days from reset Wednesday to reset Wednesday from reset corner, never having the mass exodus of players Bishops do when things get bleak. This epitomizes the heart and soul of the difference between the individuals on those two teams and the feel they generate for each team, both playing for and against them. Bishops have never had the priviledge of wallowing in the very bottom of the bucket as Rooks and Knights have, this will be a new and good experience for them. Unlike Rooks and Knights Bishops have the ENY limiter to make it alot less painfull for them than it was for us. So, after a good 6 to 9 months Bishops spend in the very bottom of the bucket, they too can get a tee-shirt like Rooks and Knights have the proudly says, "I survived the Bucket". Call it your true initation to Aces High.
Zazen
Sometimes I wonder if I play the same game or I am on the same planet as Zazen ;) .
Apart from rare occassions in AH2, I can't remeber the Bishops ever having the kind of numbers as the Knits.
Now AH1 is another story. But our squad flew for the lowest numbered country in AH1, switched Knits to Rooks, Rooks numbers picked up - went Bish, enter AH2.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Sometimes I wonder if I play the same game or I am on the same planet as Zazen ;) .
You've only ever played as a Bishop, you have no objective frame of reference from which to compare, it's natural for you to feel that way.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
You've only ever played as a Bishop, you have no objective point of reference from which to compare, it's natural for you to feel that way.
Zazen
WRONG
When I first joined I was a Knit, joined the squad.
when Rooks numbers were consistenly low, squad went Rook, along with a few others, AK's etc.
When Rooks numbers picked up squad went Bish (lowest at time).
AH2 arrived.
Since then been Bish, only because numbers wise apart from rare occassions they tend to be the lowest along with the Rooks.
So I would say I do have an objective point of reference.
Does shoot self in foot, insert foot in mouth spring to mind?
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Originally posted by Zazen13
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. I'd cancel my account before flying with some of the incredible tards Bishops have.
Zazen [/B][/Q
Zazen , you seems to be a smart educated person,
But you are actting like kind of "Joseph Goebbels" , master propagandist. And all your crap against bish, makes those bish who bite it, feel inferior species,worst than jews in WW2.
I think most of the bish would like to fly with you in bisland, but with killshooter turned off.
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Originally posted by ghi
Originally posted by Zazen13
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. I'd cancel my account before flying with some of the incredible tards Bishops have.
Zazen [/B][/Q
Zazen , you seems to be a smart educated person,
But you are actting like kind of "Joseph Goebbels" , master propagandist. And all your crap against bish, makes those bish who bite it, feel inferior species,worst than jews in WW2.
I think most of the bish would like to fly with you in bisland, but with killshooter turned off. [/B]
Then I have succeeded ;)
Zazen
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Originally posted by Kev367th
WRONG
When I first joined I was a Knit, joined the squad.
when Rooks numbers were consistenly low, squad went Rook, along with a few others, AK's etc.
When Rooks numbers picked up squad went Bish (lowest at time).
AH2 arrived.
Since then been Bish, only because numbers wise apart from rare occassions they tend to be the lowest along with the Rooks.
So I would say I do have an objective point of reference.
Does shoot self in foot, insert foot in mouth spring to mind?
I've never seen you anything other than Bishops, I have checked your stats back 15 tours and can't find any significant contribution to a team other than Bishops. Unless it's back near beta you're FOS, I don't have the patience to pull your stats that far back. In any event if you have flown for any other country it was so long ago as to be no longer relevant to the discussion at hand.
PS. The AK's came Rooks for about 2 weeks before bailing back to Bishops during that period, I was there. Everyone keeps touting them as an example of a big squad giving of themselves for the greater good, the saviors of Rookland or some such crap. That is not what happened, they came Rooks, got gang spanked 24/7 like we were getting (w/ no ENY limiter help I might add) and bailed back to Bishops for the safety of the horde real quick like.
Zazen
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Yes it is relevant.
Even though it happened in AH1, numbers imbalance is numbers imbalance whether it was yesterday or 1 day before AH2 was released.
Try reading my original post again, thoroughly.
You'll see I clearly mention "AH2 arrived".
So yes it was pre AH2, during the time when the Rooks were constantly outnumbered by both the Bish and Knits by a large number.
Like many others, you pat yourself on the back for RJO's totally ignoring any help the squads that did come over to help balance things out.
In fact the big difference now is that squads don't seem to do that anymore.
So I think I have a objective point of reference, only difference now is ENY limits.
There was one, and only one reason you fought back the other week -
Because instead of Knits and Bish both hitting you to put you out your misery, we were too busy fighting to get just one or two more fields to have that little cushion. Don't delude yourself.
If both sides had gone for the reset, it would have been over.
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Ghi you 100% wrong about him. The 1st line of your post is anyway, the rest is right on the money.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
There was one, and only one reason you fought back the other week -
Because instead of Knits and Bish both hitting you to put you out your misery, we were too busy fighting to get just one or two more fields to have that little cushion. Don't delude yourself.
If both sides had gone for the reset, it would have been over.
Hahaha, Ummmm Ok whatever! That's really funny! :rolleyes:
Zazen
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Does it still cap at ENY 40, leaving great and powerful aircraft like La-5FNs, C.205s, Hurri IICs and Mossies available?
I'd like to see what would happen is it capped at 60, leaving you with Spit Is, C.202s, C-47s, M-3s, B5N2s and D3A1s to fight with?
That would be interesting trying to gangbang F4U-4s, La-7s, Tempests and Spit XIVs in those.
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Originally posted by Rino
I understand the need for ENY, but at times it seems truly
unbalanced. For example, just left the arena with 150 knights,
89 rooks and about 57 bish. ENY for Knights was at 49ish, but
the rooks had no restrictions at all.
I'm not too sure how the math on the back end works, but at first blink it seems fairly straight forward. Once the spread between lowest and highest population gets to a certain point, envy restrictions start to come into play. Then just scale up from there? Again, that just from my very limited observation of this.
I think that's a really good approach and pretty ingenious on the part of the HTC folks. I'm not sure how factoring in the middle country would work though, or even if it fits into the overall model of what they're trying to accomplish. That is to say the underlying intent is to encourage people to leave the highest population country and go to one of the lower (preferably the lowest). Thus penalizing the middle pop country doesn't fit that model too well as that is, generally speaking, about where you want the countries on the other two extremes to be.
One thing that would be a nice addition though is the ability to swap countries on a short term basis to help balance numbers without losing your squad affiliation. I haven't tried it mind you, but I gather from other posts on the subject that when you change countries, you lose your squadmembership (which does make sense of course). I'd be quite willing to swap sides on a temporary basis to help the underdogs, provided I didn't have to muck around with getting re-admitted to the squad after I came back.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Does it still cap at ENY 40, leaving great and powerful aircraft like La-5FNs, C.205s, Hurri IICs and Mossies available?
I'd like to see what would happen is it capped at 60, leaving you with Spit Is, C.202s, C-47s, M-3s, B5N2s and D3A1s to fight with?
That would be interesting trying to gangbang F4U-4s, La-7s, Tempests and Spit XIVs in those.
Wouldn't it just lololol.
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Vortex wrote:
you lose your squadmembership (which does make sense of course
You do not loose your membership now.
HiTech
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I would say based on the most recent kill numbers, the usage of the P-51D has dropped way down since the time it was set at 10 ENY.
I think the P-51D should have it's ENY vaule raised. The Cannon armed A/C get the most kills in the MA now.
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Originally posted by hitech
You do not loose your membership now.
HiTech
According to the game, yes. According to some squad rules switching countries means your out of the squad.
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Originally posted by Rino
I also think it's not my ego that's the issue here pookie.
I didn't say you had an ego. I said...
Originally posted by SuperDud
So challenge away at my wisdom till your blue in the face, I'll just have a good laugh and ignore you as I try to get over my virtual ego and work on my virtual loyalty.
And as far as favorite planes go, I don't really have 1 either. I pretty much suck in all of them equally. BTW, what's your ingame name?
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Originally posted by Rino
I For example, just left the arena with 150 knights,
89 rooks and about 57 bish. ]
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with this #s, i suggest,temporary solution
1. ENY to go higher and hit both teams with high #s,
get enforced even when are 100-150 players in MA,( 20 bish vs 50 knits vs 40 rooks, ) not only over 200-250 players
2. me163s, enabled on all bases for out# team over certain ENY#, and 262s cheaper,
3. perk multiplier higher
4. acs/puffy gun lethality incresing with ENY
#2 and #3, can bait player switch to out #s team
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Originally posted by hitech
Vortex wrote:
You do not loose your membership now.
HiTech
Excellent. I'll definitely give this a try then next time things get a bit lopsided.
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Originally posted by Vortex
Excellent. I'll definitely give this a try then next time things get a bit lopsided.
Guess you'll be a Bish on a regular basis then.
Want us to reserve you a place by the table? :)
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Some squads would throw you out for changing countries. I wouldn't belong to such a squad, but they have some uptight generals out there.
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Originally posted by Rino
I'm not a greedy guy, I'd just like to fly something with more
than 2 fifty cal on it ;)
Why? You cant hit anything anyway:)
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Originally posted by hitech
You do not loose your membership now.
IMO this is about the best feature in the entire game.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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SYSTEM: The Rooks Have Won The War
SYSTEM: You Have Been Deducted 43.7 Points For Overpopulation.
:)
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SYSTEM : Bishops have won the war
SYSTEM : You have been awarded &&*%$CRASH,FART
SYSTEM : HOST CONNECTION LOST
Its so rare I'm sure it would do it us.
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IMHO the numbers for the knights increased due to all the country jumpers going over to the knights when they saw the reset about to occure.
As to having low numbers. Been flyin knights for a very long time. Started out in another country, and then switched to still another country.
At the time I found the knights had the best team flyers.
And when I had a question the knights answered where the bish and rooks seemed to ignore me.
Neither rooks nor bish seem to give 6 calls or talk out tactic's during a fight.
Knights in many cases do.
So Knights!
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Well gee golly, I'm sorry Goose, I didn't realize your heads would explode if you had to do something to contribute the gameplay for the rest of the community. How silly of me. In all honesty, I used to have this misguided perception that I was somehow adding something the game by not moving around and flying with the different folks on different countries. Thankfully, I'm not that stupid anymore.
ENY should be turned up even higher. It does a little to help, which is better than nothing, and certainly better than some of the other options they might have taken. However, I still support additional measures because the "I shouldn't be penalized for my loyalty" bull**** is still prevalent.
You don't want my ideas. You just wanted to pop in, ***** about being kept out of your niki and jet, and then give us your powerful and moving story of your unswerving loyalty. Great. I'm still not moved enough to think the overall quality of gameplay for everyone else is any less important.
Turn ENY up.
LMAO! 1 day I hope to achieve your level of contribution to the community! OMG! That's a riot! Can you get anymore Pompus? Or Clueless?!
ENY is a failure that only hurts the game! I'm just not gonna sit back and let you spout BU*****T anymore. I know you expected we'd just let it go and bow. BTW, I couldn't care less what planes are available to me. I'll be fine but it hurts the community. So, Get back in your powder blue spitV and fly into the sunset. Oh, BTW, aren't the BKs flying rook right now? By your own admonishments shouldn't you be bish this tour? .. :rofl
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How has ENY failed the game, and how does it hurt it? By encouraging balance? By limiting the "uber" or more popular rides for the players who won't work to improve numerical balance, and thereby gameplay overall? Clueless? Pompous? Personal attacks? That's fine- do you really think I give a **** what you think about me?
And, by the way, I am bishop this week. There's been a general lack of good fights on the rooks, imo, and too much focus on the horde war. A majority of the guys who fly when I do are also bishops. Some are indeed still rook, but they mostly fly earlier in the evenings, when numbers are a bit more balanced (in fact, last night, the rooks were the low number country when I logged in).
So, keep crying about the failure of the ENY, keep crying about how it hurts the game. You guys who don't support balance or improved gameplay for the rest of HTC's customers are still the problem. Make your lame little attacks on the squad, or call me clueless, whatever; my opinion on ENY remains unchanged.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
SYSTEM : Bishops have won the war
SYSTEM : You have been awarded &&*%$CRASH,FART
SYSTEM : HOST CONNECTION LOST
Its so rare I'm sure it would do it us.
Ok, I'll give credit where it's due, that's funny as hell. :)
Zazen
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I've said my piece hub.....S
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Originally posted by Zazen13
PS. The AK's came Rooks for about 2 weeks before bailing back to Bishops during that period, I was there. Everyone keeps touting them as an example of a big squad giving of themselves for the greater good, the saviors of Rookland or some such crap. That is not what happened, they came Rooks, got gang spanked 24/7 like we were getting (w/ no ENY limiter help I might add) and bailed back to Bishops for the safety of the horde real quick like.
Zazen
Dream on.
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The ENY has little impact on the top tier players. They can kill -- and survive -- in many planes, at numerical disadvantage. It's unlikely that ENY tuning will affect their country choice.
But because they are relatively few in number, their movement would have little impact on rebalancing sides anyway.
I again argue that the primary focus of ENY tweaking should be on movement of mid tier players -- larger in number, and more affected by disadvantage in either plane quality or by being LOCALLY outnumbered. The current ENY settings are inadequate for achieving this goal.
To rebalance sides, ENY needs to:
1) Be clearly understood by enough players that it can exert meaningful pressure toward the desired outcome. I still hear 200 chatter that starts with "WTF?...." ENY gets explained, but for every one who complains out loud there are likely several others who dont express their frustration -- and will have undeservedly negative feelings about the game.
2) Exert enough pressure that those who can be influenced to make a rebalancing move, will do so. Squads with chess piece loyalty, however misguided, will whine loudly but will not easily move -- unless the inconveniencing imbalance persists for a long while. ENY should hurt enough that significant numbers will switch (even temporarily), so that the intermediate players can have fun on all 3 sides.
I've tried switching to the low side, but I can't find fun as a bish when every base is covered with hordes of red radar pimples. TO make the system work, enouhg have to switch to even things out - -and current ENY settings are inadequate to that task.
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WHEN the numbers are lopsided Just put perk cost on the planes that we lose when the "bs" eny kicks in , so at least you can fly or drive what ever you choose. If the bs eny has to be....
It is BS, when you as a Paying player, cant do as you please as far as flying or driving. Some of the people are there for squads, land grab, war wana winners,... but some are there to do "their thing" . Dont say switch countries! We should not have to Switch nothing just to fly or drive what ever we want.
Hate saying this but we pay our monthly fee to play a game, "not someones elses game" if you get what i mean.
Why dont they take a vote and see just how many people want or dont want this eny stuff.
Eny causes the same affects being here, then when there was no ENY. people switch countries or log off, quit, whine , cry about being caught by a 190 or yak while in a la7 . it really dont help.
Prolongs the inevitable , makes more then the losing country lose, it makes it no fun even the winners. sigh..........
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Originally posted by tactic
It is BS, when you as a Paying player, cant do as you please as far as flying or driving. .
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i'm a bish why should i pay for your fun only playing in a team out# ? Just because you Knights Airhorde need something to hunt down for your fun?? Why don't you play bish , just to taste our fun in last few months,
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Tactic, you're more than welcome to fly or drive whatever you like. All you have to do is contribute to the overall quality of gameplay for all the other paying customers whose money, opinions, and ideas are equally valuable to HTC.
Sure, you could take a vote. Since we have ENY, and many more people limited by ENY then benefitting from it, there will, surprise, be more Nay votes. Just because you're in the majority, doesn't make you right.
The perk idea, as many times as it's been brought up, is still a bad idea. It's saying "I've been a paying customer longer, and I have more perks, so let's give the newer guys the shaft so I can fly what I want in the horde".
Oh, poor tactic doesn't doesn't want to switch? Well, maybe poor ghi wants to fly a plane, but he has only 9 bases, the FH are dead at all of them, and if he should get airborn in something, he has to face a mob of Tactics in La7s. Your idea of quality gameplay means "Screw everyone else".
Lousy ideas, all of them.
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Originally posted by ghi
Originally posted by tactic
It is BS, when you as a Paying player, cant do as you please as far as flying or driving. .
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i'm a bish why should i pay for your fun only playing in a team out# ? Just because you Knights Airhorde need something to hunt down for your fun?? Why don't you play bish , just to taste our fun in last few months,
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What? pay for my fun only .. now thats funny! You said it, I could say the same thing. but its for everyone's fun, So why ruin mine because some people want to limit what i fly . Seems selfish on your side. Its a game, a war game, in war being outnumbered happens.
(Just to taste our fun in the last few months?) we all go through it ..If I'm out numbered I dont care what you fly. and I dont cry about it Fact is we all pay our money for ourselves and our own fun. you included!
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Tactic, do you enjoy fighting other people?
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Tactic, you're more than welcome to fly or drive whatever you like. All you have to do is contribute to the overall quality of gameplay for all the other paying customers whose money, opinions, and ideas are equally valuable to HTC.
Sure, you could take a vote. Since we have ENY, and many more people limited by ENY then benefitting from it, there will, surprise, be more Nay votes. Just because you're in the majority, doesn't make you right.
The perk idea, as many times as it's been brought up, is still a bad idea. It's saying "I've been a paying customer longer, and I have more perks, so let's give the newer guys the shaft so I can fly what I want in the horde".
Oh, poor tactic doesn't doesn't want to switch? Well, maybe poor ghi wants to fly a plane, but he has only 9 bases, the FH are dead at all of them, and if he should get airborn in something, he has to face a mob of Tactics in La7s. Your idea of quality gameplay means "Screw everyone else".
Lousy ideas, all of them.
hubsonfire Giving your personal input is fine about my post , But I contribute my part by paying my monthly fee, as you seem to think your opinion is correct, its not in my book. The Quality of my playing goes down when eny is on. Value to htc is the monthly fee first, yes then opinions and ideas. Money first though, dont forget that, thats business no money no business.
Would you quit the game if the eny was not here? eh? Right is right , and wrong is wrong, noone said your right or I'm right. Too bad if you dont have perks, you got to start somewhere, A new guy cant fly a 262 right away so let them have free rides until they have the perks to pay for it?
Poor tactic Should not have to switch, I have squad mates I dont want to fight against and others I dont want to fight as well while in a the country im in. mob of tactics in la7's funny one there too. You guys cry about those plane too much, see a bunch of super la7s comming jump in one yourself and kill all the others if your so good in la7s. Im not. My quailty of game play is not screw everyone else, thats yours. read what your saying. Too many cry babies think they only have the right opinions.
I dont cry when outnumbered, why do you? I dont cry if the whole damn arena ups la7s, why do you? Up the LA7 super plane yourself and kill all the other la7's. la7 this la7 that... Atleast im objective on the subject. I'll deal with it big numbers or low numbers,. I and everyone else should be able to fly or drive what ever you want.
With the eny I'm not welcome to fly what ever i want. contribute to the overall quality of gameplay is giving up my fun , not thinking so. If i wanted limited plane choice i'd go to the ct,. so there! :p
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Urchin, I made some comments, giving my opinion. so what do you mean do i enjoy fighting other people? Its a war game, fighting is involved. or do you mean on the bb's?
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ENY limiter?? We have an Eny limiter?? Ohhh wait I'm bish nvrmind. :)
No seriously though I liked it when it was first implemented, Never befor had I seen the great F6F and F4U missions that I saw when it was first put into the game and I haven't seen any after they started tweeking it.
I personally don't have a problem with it even on the few rare ocations that bish did get hit with it I usually fly a YAK or A6M anyway although once I couln't use a tiger or a B24 but even that wasnt that bad. seems like we have many players that don't like a challenge.
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No, I mean in the game. Do you enjoy fighting other people in the game?
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Actually, switching sides as a squad every once in a while is a good thing. Making new freinds, meeting new people. Shows yer not an anti-social retard inhibited by a virtual chess piece. It also on occasion can put old enmities on the back burner. That said, the Assassins haven't been a viable squad in over 2 years, so its no biggie if we switched or not.
Any squad that says "We are a (insert chess piece) squad and will NEVAR switch!" are deluded to the point of uselessness and should go find/buy a life. Its time to quit AH and get a tenacious grasp on reality...
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I think I'll just move LTAR to the Bishops for a spell that will even it out :aok :D :p
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Guess you'll be a Bish on a regular basis then.
Want us to reserve you a place by the table? :)
Yessir, you might as well :).
Er, not like I'll be a ton of help mind you. But I do make for good cannon fodder, so that should take a little heat off the guys that can actually shoot stuff down.
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I just used the La7 as a low eny reference. I personally don't find the plane offensive at all, simply the mob tactics employed by many of its pilots. The most used planes account for a majority of my kills, so I'm entirely okay with this. The only point you keep making, or trying to make, is that you pays your money and you flies your plane. The thing you don't seem to grasp is that you have the ENY only because certain people refuse to do anything to improve the overall gameplay, and stick with the hordes, citing real war, denial of resources, overwhelming force, etc. Here's HiTech's response to that stupid rationale from another thread.
And please do not tell me AH is war, because it is not, it is a War game. And games are ment to be fun and fair. While war is not ment to be either fair or fun.
No, I didn't quit when there was no ENY. I remember seeing something like 30 rooks on during peak hours, due to the miserable numerical imbalance. I imagine HT lost a lot of money over that in the past, and I imagine he was thinking of that when ENY was limited. Your 15 bucks gets you unlimited access to the arenas for a month. It is not a carte blanche to fly whatever and play however you want. It's close, but the quality of gameplay experienced by all his other customers is just as important. All you have to do is drag your squad to the low numbers side and you can fly what you want as often as you want. That's a brilliant rationale for keeping the newbs grounded. " too bad if you don't have perks". Well, with perks replacing adjusted ENY, even more people get screwed, and HT would likely lose more customers.
My idea of quality gameplay is that everyone has a chance at a fair fight. No porking, no hordes, just fighting. I look for fights where I'm outnumbered. It's not difficult with guys like you around. If the ENY limit is a problem for you, you're never outnumbered.
It's easy to say "I'd deal with being outnumbered", but the fact that you won't leave the numerically superior side says it all.
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ENY, perks their not the answer. Sure some people will switch sides because they can't fly their beloved Pony but most don't. Were I see the problem and I have no idea how to correct it isn't from people not switching sides its from people switching to the countries with the #s. Sit in the tower when one side is getting rolled, i.e. Bish, and bring up the roster. You can watch folks logon (bish #s up by 2-3) and then see them switch sides, (bish #s down by 2-3) I have even sorted by country and seen players log on as Bish and immediatly switch to Rooks. This is the whole crux of the issue. There are a lot of players that seem to only want to fly for the side with a numerical superiority. It can't be the whopping 25 perkies they get for the reset. It has to be that they just don't feel they can be affective if they are even or out numbered.
No offense ment to you Rooks out there but I've been fighting Rooks a lot lately and you do seem to have a lot of pilots who will not engage is a serious fight. They will always attack with alt/speed, extend 1-2k or more and return with alt. It is very seldom that I encounter a Rook who will turn and fight me. When he does I know I'm in for it because this guy is usually a good stick. In the last week I can count maybe 3 times when I was individually beaten by a Rook pilot. 97% of the time I get killed fighting Rooks is by getting picked while on the six of another Rook. Not saying that any of these tactics are wrong, just saying that if these are your main tactics it is no wonder you guys always fly with the numbers. Again, this is not ALL Rooks just a large % of those I encounter.
Again, no offense to you Rooks but fighting Nits lately is just far more enjoyable. Just seems a lot more Nits will mix it up after the merge and actually try to win the fight on their skill instead of looking for the easy pick.
All this is JMO, I have no idea how to fix it. I am not at all for forcing anything on anyone in this game. We pay we should be aloud to play as we want.
I think one problem is that we Bish as a country don't seem to be as good at the Land Grab game as the Rooks & Nits are and we get behind early in the maps and that contributes to this situation. That's something only we Bish can rectify.
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Originally posted by Clifra Jones
I think one problem is that we Bish as a country don't seem to be as good at the Land Grab game as the Rooks & Nits are and we get behind early in the maps and that contributes to this situation. That's something only we Bish can rectify.
Please tell me you're joking...:eek:
Zazen
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Originally posted by Clifra Jones
Again, no offense to you Rooks but fighting Nits lately is just far more enjoyable. Just seems a lot more Nits will mix it up after the merge and actually try to win the fight on their skill instead of looking for the easy pick.
Keep in mind, anyone who's played the game a few months figures out the strengths and weaknesses of each plane. If someone is in a speed ride and you're in a SpitV and they have half a brain they're not going to get into a close quarters knife fight with you. They're going to keep you at arms length and pick you apart. If I had a dollar for every person I've heard in my virtual flying career flying a Spit or a Niki begging on open channel for someone to be 'brave' enough to stall-fight with them I'd be a wealthy man.
As a general rule people are going to try like hell to NOT play to the strengths of your plane and try TO make YOU fly to the strengths of their own plane. If you're flying a ride that is the best at one or several things, ie: Lgay7, SPitV, Niki, Pony, don't expect people to treat you fairly, you've already secured an advantage in plane, they're going to make damn sure to secure some other advantages over you of their own. I'm not sure if others do this but I do... If I see from the merge that a person is just going to pull for HO's all bets are off, I'm not going to give him the chance, I will do whatever has to be done to deny him the HO and make sure myself or someone else wacks him. I do the same thing to high Spits and Niki's and any Lgay7, they get the best rides in the game, I get to use my altitude, speed and friends to give them an express trip to the tower. It's just the street rules of air combat.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Please tell me you're joking...:eek:
Zazen
No, I'm not. Don't get me wrong there are some Bish squads that are very good at taking bases but there are others that are, well, totally incompetent at it. I cant tell you how many times I've been at a base attempted to be captured by some Bish squads and see the VH up and down several times, town up and down several times, FHs up and down several times and hours go by and the base still isn't captured. I've seen troops dropped on a town that was still up. Troops dropped while a enemy GV in in the town. A base and town flattened and there are no troop anywhere near the field. Players chase an LA7 miles from the field and leave their CAP unattended. Now I haven't flown much with the other sides but when I watch the Kits or Rooks cut a swath through our territory in the 3 hours I have to fly most nights I can't attribute it all to having greater #s, Some of those nights the sides were fairly even.
My squad can take a moderatly defended base in 15-20 minutes if all goes well. We have worked with other Bish squads and done the same yet I see the above every night in the MA.
Maybe it's the same in the other countries, I don't know. Just seems that it isn't to me.
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Originally posted by Clifra Jones
No, I'm not. Don't get me wrong there are some Bish squads that are very good at taking bases but there are others that are, well, totally incompetent at it. I cant tell you how many times I've been at a base attempted to be captured by some Bish squads and see the VH up and down several times, town up and down several times, FHs up and down several times and hours go by and the base still isn't captured. I've seen troops dropped on a town that was still up. Troops dropped while a enemy GV in in the town. A base and town flattened and there are no troop anywhere near the field. Players chase an LA7 miles from the field and leave their CAP unattended. Now I haven't flown much with the other sides but when I watch the Kits or Rooks cut a swath through our territory in the 3 hours I have to fly most nights I can't attribute it all to having greater #s, Some of those nights the sides were fairly even.
My squad can take a moderatly defended base in 15-20 minutes if all goes well. We have worked with other Bish squads and done the same yet I see the above every night in the MA.
Maybe it's the same in the other countries, I don't know. Just seems that it isn't to me.
I take it you've only ever played for Bish for any appreciable length of time? You definately should come Rooks. It's a running joke on Rooks, someone will ask if ack or town is down at a CAP'd field. The inevitable reply is, "Of course not! We're Rooks". If you think Rooks are motivated by base camptures you're cwazy. The only thing Rooks really care about collectively is furballing. We'll capture a base only once all the furballing and vulching has dried up. To get a Rooks fighter pilot to carry an egg to a base requires a large blunt object or a colt .45 at his head. Conversely, I see almost every Bish fighter, even Lgay7s, Niki's and SPits coming heavy to Rook bases.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Keep in mind, anyone who's played the game a few months figures out the strengths and weaknesses of each plane. ....
Zazen
Agreed, But that's not exactly what I ment. I got into a real good fight with a Nit P51 the other night in my Ki84. We both fought the fight using the strength of our aircraft. He did not hit-n-run and extend out 2-3k he used good energy tactics and speed in the vertical on me. He refused to bite on the spiral climb which I usually get poor to average pony pilots to go for. He wore me down and took away my best weapons and won the fight. We were never more that 1.5k apart in distance.
I can respect a pilot using his planes strengths but when you are getting BnZd by a Spit V thats just timidity. Most of those guys end up getting killed or I get picked trying.
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Originally posted by Clifra Jones
Agreed, But that's not exactly what I ment. I got into a real good fight with a Nit P51 the other night in my Ki84. We both fought the fight using the strength of our aircraft. He did not hit-n-run and extend out 2-3k he used good energy tactics and speed in the vertical on me. He refused to bite on the spiral climb which I usually get poor to average pony pilots to go for. He wore me down and took away my best weapons and won the fight. We were never more that 1.5k apart in distance.
I can respect a pilot using his planes strengths but when you are getting BnZd by a Spit V thats just timidity. Most of those guys end up getting killed or I get picked trying.
Keep in mind the MA is not just a hermetically sealed fight between you and one other plane you may want to pick out. Often someone will not want to get deeply embroiled in a fight, risking losing all of his altitude and E if there are other enemies around that he expects will pounce him.
I can speak for myself, being one of the more tactically minded fighter pilots. I do not vulch, all of my kills are air to air, I always take-off with the goal of 5 kills, kills I must get the old fashioned way. I am not going to blow 10 minutes of alting and hutning for 1 kill with 5 other enemy flying around waiting for me to expose a weakness to pounce. Not many good pilots are going to put all of their eggs in one basket as it were, and risk all the time they've invested on one plane. One on one's in the MA where both sides can be reasonably sure they will not suffer any interlopers are exceedingly rare. Even more rare is if those 1 Vs. 1's start off on equal terms. If the quality of your flying enjoyment is derived from how many people are going to engage your Ki-84 in single combat, fairly, prepare yourself for huge disappointment. There is nothing fair about the MA.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I take it you've only ever played for Bish for any appreciable length of time? You definately should come Rooks. It's a running joke on Rooks, someone will ask if ack or town is down at a CAP'd field. The inevitable reply is, "Of course not! We're Rooks". If you think Rooks are motivated by base camptures you're cwazy. The only thing Rooks really care about collectively is furballing. We'll capture a base only once all the furballing and vulching has dried up. To get a Rooks fighter pilot to carry an egg to a base requires a large blunt object or a colt .45 at his head. Conversely, I see almost every Bish fighter, even Lgay7s, Niki's and SPits coming heavy to Rook bases.
Zazen
No, I started Rook but switched to Bish because Bish had lower numbers and I could not find a fight where it wasn't 5 rooks on 2 enemy so I went Bish, joined 1 Bish squad, quit and then joined the Unforgiven. I did fly knite in the interval between squads but I had met some good friends on Bish and went back.
What your saying may well be true but come over to the Bish side and it won't seems that way. When the bases are falling like 10 pins and it's Rooks that are doing the taking. For furballer I do see an aweful lot of porking going on. Rooks were porking like mad last night.
I don't doubt you see them comming heavy. Question is can they do anything with them when they get there. Even it they do capture the base most likely all the FHs are down, troops are porked, Ord is porked, VH is down so there is no real way to defend it so they leave.
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Keep in mind the MA is not just a hermetically sealed fight between you and one other plane you may want to pick out. Often someone will not want to get deeply embroiled in a fight, risking losing all of his altitude and E if there are other enemies around that he expects will pounce him. .....
Zazen
Again I agree with you. I am not looking for that 1 on 1 environment. I don't have a problem with someone disengaging because the situation warrents it. Believe me I do it too.
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When it's 15-20 on 4 and that Spit pilot will not engage you unless he can dive on your 6 while you are engaged with another enemy well, that's just lame in my book. Is it part of the game? Should I be watching out for him? You betcha, but I still think it's lame.
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Heh. Come over to Knights just for a week. If you think you guys have trouble capturing a base, try seeing our cluster ****'s. We do have some squads that are VERY good at taking bases. Their missions are a pleasure to be a part of. Planes are chosen according to what they can accomplish, and assignments handed out according to the strengths of the planes. Bases go down quick, come back up green.
That isnt the majority.
I've said this before, I'll say it again. If you did a cross section of each country, you'd find them all to be nearly identical in composition. People make the same screwups, fight about the same issues, have the same problems, gripe about the same things from the other countries. Except for what chess piece floats around your bases, you'd never know you switched sides.
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Originally posted by Clifra Jones
When it's 15-20 on 4 and that Spit pilot will not engage you unless he can dive on your 6 while you are engaged with another enemy well, that's just lame in my book. Is it part of the game? Should I be watching out for him? You betcha, but I still think it's lame.
I can't explain that, if I'm in a turner I'll engage anything that'll let me and get as close to as a knife fight as they'll allow. I think most pilots worth a crap would. If someone is acting like that, you're probably not missing out on anything, they likely can't fight anyways.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I take it you've only ever played for Bish for any appreciable length of time? You definately should come Rooks. It's a running joke on Rooks, someone will ask if ack or town is down at a CAP'd field. The inevitable reply is, "Of course not! We're Rooks". If you think Rooks are motivated by base camptures you're cwazy. The only thing Rooks really care about collectively is furballing. We'll capture a base only once all the furballing and vulching has dried up. To get a Rooks fighter pilot to carry an egg to a base requires a large blunt object or a colt .45 at his head. Conversely, I see almost every Bish fighter, even Lgay7s, Niki's and SPits coming heavy to Rook bases.
Zazen
Have you walked in your own BS drivel for so long that you are actually starting to believe what you spew? Or you just out of touch in that flak panzie your in most of the time?
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Have you walked in your own BS drivel for so long that you are actually starting to believe what you spew? Or you just out of touch in that flak panzie your in most of the time?
ack-ack
Now that's pwned, where did that thread go? ;)
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You mean this thread (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=131705)?
ack-ack
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It's easy to say "I'd deal with being outnumbered", but the fact that you won't leave the numerically superior side says it all.
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Thats my point, I HAVE been on both sides, been in every country for months at a time, Im not glued to any one country. Seen all of the countries out numbered at some point, before the eny was ever thought of and I did not switch then. bish, rook or knight stayed where i was #'s or not !
Flew against what ever plane they came at us with, really never thought about it, just upped what plane I wanted and flew, and had fun.
No one can really do nothing when there country is down to a few 5 ,6 ,7 ,8 bases, even now with the eny. When a country is on a roll they hard to stop sometimes, if the base is covered, its covered whether its a p40 or la7 or low eny planes , chances are your dead on the runway.
ahhh what ever, it is what it is! and frankly I dont care. one wants it, the other dont. what is gunna make everyone happy? i dont know, neither do you. We both just know what affects our gamming experience!
Wait!!! I got it!!! How about this as a fix.
A auto switch, you guys that dont mind jumping to other countries to save the game play, sign up yourself and/or your squad and when the numbers are tilted to far to one side it zapps you to the country that needs you. :) then no need for the eny. lmao!!
dont get all fired up now it only a discussion , :p
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That was a pretty funny thread I must admit, even if I was the subject. Hehe :lol
Zazen
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
You mean this thread (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=131705)?
ack-ack
LMFAO! No I meant this thread (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=157183). Hehehe was talking about the "Now that's pwned" part. We all know Zazen is a "Osti Queen". :lol :p
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So tactic... do you enjoy fighting other people in the MA or no?
I'll assume you do, which makes it kind of a dumb question I'll admit.
If you do... why wouldn't you be in favor of some kind of levelling mechanism, given the fact that due to human nature eventually (if allowed to) the teams would become so lopsided that the people on the "big" team would see a human opponent about once a day?
It is human nature to take the easiest path available... which is why the numbers are usually lopsided one way or another. That is the single easiest variable to "swing" in your favor, with the least amount of effort.
Without some kind of levelling mechanism, you get 95% of the people on one team, with the masochists on the other two.