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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Mustaine on August 09, 2005, 02:44:13 PM
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especially the next generation, and further series.
in many cases they come across aliens who don;t understand that they (the federation people) do not work for profit. they mention many times there is no "money"
if so, how do they get houses on earth, and cars and stuff....
are they just "given" to them?
would you build a house for free for someone to live in?
are all houses the same size and design?
who gets the big house?
all that crap. it is really buggin me today at work LMAO. (bored, equipment broken down all day, nothing to do)
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Originally posted by Mustaine
especially the next generation, and further series.
in many cases they come across aliens who don;t understand that they (the federation people) do not work for profit. they mention many times there is no "money"
if so, how do they get houses on earth, and cars and stuff....
are they just "given" to them?
would you build a house for free for someone to live in?
are all houses the same size and design?
who gets the big house?
all that crap. it is really buggin me today at work LMAO. (bored, equipment broken down all day, nothing to do)
Gene Roddenberry must have believed communism was the wave of the future.......
:)
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On DS9 the little Ferenge that ran the casino was always drooling about gold pressed latinum. On the original ST they were always running across traders, ect. (Remember the Tribbles?)
Maybe it was just a flaw in the scripts or different writers spinning things different ways.
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You have too much time on your hands Mustaine. Then again, who has too much time, the guy who wonders these things or the guy who responds to the guy who wonders these things? :D
Anyway, the late Gene Roddenberry was a humanist who constructed the Star Trek universe as his ideal Utopia. It's politics are egalitarian and small "s" socialist, it's philosophy was entirely materialist. You'll notice, for instance, that in every Star Trek episode where religion is a factor, its a baneful influence. All of the forces that are for accumulating power or wealth are clearly the "bad guys" and the good guys are universal altruists.
Roddenberry obviously had a rather idealistic view of human nature. For instance, the Holodeck. In reality you'd quickly be powerless to get the crew to leave it as they constantly lived out, not Klingon right of manhood rituals or Sherlock Holmes stories, but every sexual or power fantasy they could think of. In fact, its doubtful the ship would ever make it into orbit. Or the Replicator - how many would be standing by it pretty much 24 by 7 and saying "Champagne" and "Lobster" and so on. In reality you'd have a crew of obese perverts in no time, pretty similar to the workforce of some software shops I worked with. As a fellow I met a while back put it, "My Hobbies? Well uhhh.. Fast Food, Fantasy Games, and Internet Porn - but not necessarily in that order. "
Anyway for an interesting interview where Roddenberry explains his philosophy, click here (http://www.philosophysphere.com/humanist.html)
- SEAGOON
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Originally posted by soda72
Gene Roddenberry must have believed communism was the wave of the future.......
:)
I remember the collectivist stuff they were putting out on TNG. It was never fully explained how the economy worked, but ithere was one episode (I think when some corpsicle was reanimated, or some such) where Picard or Riker lectured the guy on how society had grown beyond the need for money.
When Roddenberry died, that crap went away. Particularly on DS9, everybody was always chasing around after "gold pressed latinum", whatever that is.
Early Star Trek stuff was always playing with not-so-hidden messages, anti-war, anti-government, anti-racism, etc. Not to say that the message is wrong--they weren't, mostly--but I detest getting lectured during my mindless entertainment time.
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That's why Bradbary<--opps Roddenberry> invented the "Replicator". Just shovel some horse manuer in the back and it spits out a diamond in the front. Sounds very egalitarian, utopian, and progressive to me. Ever notice in Star Shlep no one has bad breath, body oder, dirty cloths, or messed up hair? Who ultimately pays for it all? What kind of dues do Federation members pay to whom for what?
You always get the impression that the species who have working classes that toil for their daily bread are some how more barbaric and agression prone than Federation members who have the magic "Replicator" that removes the need to compete for the necessities of life.
Then again who owns some of the property that regularly gets blown to atoms? And after the shooting stops and the Federation personel come out the heros, who gets the bill for the damage? Ah the magic "replicator" gets some horse manure shoveled in the back and the property owner just pushes a button and the property is magically repaired.
And who owns property when you can park a battle cruiser in geosync orbit and slag it? Ahhhhh, now you need Big Brother, oops, a Federation to protect you from the less developed more aggressive races who have battle cruisers, not "Star Ships" and "replicators". But I thought the magic "replicator" removes a species aggressive tendancies by removing the need to compete for resources????
And by the way, what about that U.N. err oops Federation, yes, I forgot, we'uns be in the 23rd Century. Yes wayyyy back in the 21st century we'alls just gave up and let the Liberals save us from our evil Ferengi tendancies. And "SHAAAZAAAMMMM" they invented the magical mystical "REPLICATOR" and the U.N. gots its act together and saved mother earth and, and, and, disovered the warp drive and, and, and, don't forget the "replicator"................ok I'm gonna stop smacking myself with the hammer to feel better now.......:rolleyes:
Star Trek = Liberals in Spaceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee..... ....:cool:
Ever notice how futuristic space opras always seem to have a side message selling socialism as the only way to live in peace and harmony in outer space and capitolists are more evil than the space monster eating every one in the crew?
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All that matters is Star Trek had hot green chicks:
(http://www.sherylfranklin.com/images/trek/women/classic/vina.jpg)
I noticed they're back in Enterprise ;)
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Originally posted by bustr
That's why Bradbary<--opps Roddenberry> invented the "Replicator". Just shovel some horse manuer in the back and it spits out a diamond in the front. Sounds very egalitarian, utopian, and progressive to me. Ever notice in Star Shlep no one has bad breath, body oder, dirty cloths, or messed up hair? Who ultimately pays for it all? What kind of dues do Federation members pay to whom for what?
You always get the impression that the species who have working classes that toil for their daily bread are some how more barbaric and agression prone than Federation members who have the magic "Replicator" that removes the need to compete for the necessities of life.
Then again who owns some of the property that regularly gets blown to atoms? And after the shooting stops and the Federation personel come out the heros, who gets the bill for the damage? Ah the magic "replicator" gets some horse manure shoveled in the back and the property owner just pushes a button and the property is magically repaired.
And who owns property when you can park a battle cruiser in geosync orbit and slag it? Ahhhhh, now you need Big Brother, oops, a Federation to protect you from the less developed more aggressive races who have battle cruisers, not "Star Ships" and "replicators". But I thought the magic "replicator" removes a species aggressive tendancies by removing the need to compete for resources????
And by the way, what about that U.N. err oops Federation, yes, I forgot, we'uns be in the 23rd Century. Yes wayyyy back in the 21st century we'alls just gave up and let the Liberals save us from our evil Ferengi tendancies. And "SHAAAZAAAMMMM" they invented the magical mystical "REPLICATOR" and the U.N. gots its act together and saved mother earth and, and, and, disovered the warp drive and, and, and, don't forget the "replicator"................ok I'm gonna stop smacking myself with the hammer to feel better now.......:rolleyes:
Star Trek = Liberals in Spaceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee..... ....:cool:
Ever notice how futuristic space opras always seem to have a side message selling socialism as the only way to live in peace and harmony in outer space and capitolists are more evil than the space monster eating every one in the crew?
Actually the story goes more like this: After we nearly wipe ourselves out in WWIII a crazy drunkard scientist in some bummed out desert town converts a leftover ICBM to launch his warp-drive into space. The Vulcans take notice and makes first-contact. The Vulcans teach us the better parts of socialist utopism and save us from self inflicted extinction. Cue Kirk.
The social philosophy of ST is one of self-realization. Everyone is free to realize their own way of life since technology now provides everyone with everything they need. Work in ST is basically a hobby ... something to do while we live.
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I get the impression that the replicator reduces the need for as much specialization, and improves the efficiency of industry by reducing specialized products (eg, you don't have a thousand stem bolts sitting in a warehouse because the market dropped out, you use the replicators to emulate the Japanese 'build on demand' acquisition methodology).
At the same time, it's not magic, because you need trace elements, and they establish that there are plenty of things that a replicator will not create or do on its own. For example, there's a need for dilithium crystals, right? They can't replicate them, they have to mine them. Something about 'gold pressed latinum' exceeds the ability of the replicator. It stands to reason that there are LOTS of things the replicator can't do, and I note that for the most part, they show it making food and... that's about all. There's the occasional reference to using it replicate a broken part, but that's really rare, and there have been plenty of episodes where some piece of equipment needed to be physically gotten (like when they scavenged parts off the other space station that looked like Deep Space 9). Presumably, replication is both limited in ability and expense with energy, otherwise they would just have big starship replicators that pump out any sized fleet needed.
...which they don't. It's been repeatedly shown that the process of building a starship is extremely man/woman/critterpower intensive and takes a long time. The fact that the starfleet exists proves that in that universe, there are shipbuilders doing the work. It stands to reason that foodstuffs are grown as well, as established on the 'Trouble with Tribbles' episode. As you recall, Shermans Planet was facing famine, and the plot revolved around a cargo of grain.
I think that the replicator for food is akin to eating MREs. Out in the field, you can eat canned stuff and MREs and whatnot all you want, but it's not feasible for large scale populations. 99.99% of the people we see eating from replicators also happen to be military, so it stands to reason that the added expense of using replicators (which also have strategic purposes) is worth it for whatever reason. Quark has one in his bar, but he's on a station that's presumably far from food supplies, so that use of the replicator is consistent too.
I think Seagoon is right about the socialism with the small s, but that's not the same as communism, and who knows, maybe their specific lack of detail on those regards allows them to say 'some new economic policy that we don't know about yet' that's a mix of stuff we know.
I get the impression that the Federation's economy is deliberately vague for a reason, so it doesn't get in the way of the story. That said, assuming that the federation DOES follow a socialist model, all is not lost. The Ferengi appear to represent capitalism without conscience, but even when you're cringing at the scheming those big eared guys are doing, you can't avoid the results. On DS9, Quark was able to get stuff nobody else could. If that isn't a subversive way of saying that feddy socialism isn't the end-all answer, I'll eat my hat.
In the end, I'll fall back on the most important point: Star Trek is not a book written by a person with a mission. Roddenberry might have started it that way, but it's the culmination of hundreds of writers, each with different backgrounds and opinions. As a consequence, reducing it to 'liberals in space' is a bit disingenuous.
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Ok I'll be a tad more generous.
Babalon 5's social, industrial and cultural environment models are more beleivealble. You can see an attempt at a multiculteral cross section of social/political pyhlosopies, religions and economic practices presented pro and con.
Star Trek follows Roddenberry's one world view and biases. Trekkes are worshipers at the alter of Roddenberry. If you check out that link to the interview Seagoon provided, it was rather boreing counting how many times Roddenberry thinly veils patting himself on the back for being god.
If I wanted that in my real life I can go to Barbera Boxer and Diane Feinstein rallies. Or wait for 2008 and go to John Kerry rallies...................... .....
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If you want realistic, try Battlestar Galactica (the new one). Politicians that are politicians, various shades of grey (and mr. grey himself, Dr. Baltar) :)
Daniel
PS: Anyone want to play "who is the cylon"? :)
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Tigh's wife almost seems too easy, I gotta think it's other people.
Babylon 5 and BSG are great, probably because they show what we have now and what we have experience with in the past. Star Trek economy grates on me because... well, they don't talk about it enough to know exactly WHAT it IS. Like other posters have said, there are elements of communism, capitalism, hell, even confucism. If someone would just TELL us HOW it works then we could PROPERLY tell them how WRONG IT IS. :D
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Sorry for the hijack, but... if you payed attention in the last 2 episodes, I think it's pretty clear who's a (very unexpected) cylon...
Daniel
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the hell with the socialist semantics, the holodeck and the replicator..
I want a hand Phaser and a Teleporter. I have a list of places and people to see.. once.
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Originally posted by CyranoAH
Sorry for the hijack, but... if you payed attention in the last 2 episodes, I think it's pretty clear who's a (very unexpected) cylon...
Daniel
The President's assistant.. the dweeb with the hots fer the cute green eyed black bridge talker.
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How do you figure?
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The new Battle Star Social Realism game show is too much like "The West Wing" in space. It's great for guys who wanna watch chicks on testosterone and how the writers feel war and politics should be if they were in charge.
Only a screen writer would think it's a viable human survival strategy to send the last of your females into harms way instead of making sure when you are at 50,000 of your species left out of billions, you get all the females knocked up for a long time to come. You don't throw your physically best able to reproduce to the meat grinder.
It's kinda like I've never figured out how women pass the physical for fire fighting when it's a given at some point they may be alone with a 225lb unconcious victom with the only way out is carrying them down 6 flights to safety......................u nless they are from East Germany and on steroids......:aok...... thats it, the Battel Star babes are on futuristic steroids, oh dummy me. They can throw their fighter over their shoulders and sprint down the the steps in the Washington Monument.
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Oh lordy lordy, I absolutely agree Bustr! Why in fact it is my fervent hope that the frail women folk of the world will all be returned to the warm and safe embrace of the kitchen from which they escaped.
Goodness gracious, I sure hope no woman semi-truck driver ever has to hook up a trailer! Good idea to send 'em all home, just in case. I also am afeared that some poor little girl working as a waitress may find herself over-loaded with not one but TWO trays of food! Oh heavens, the carnage of spilled gravy and toast would be absolutely APPALLING! Such work should be confined to the rippling, muscular chested Brawny models that all of us males are.
Please, won't SOMEBODY think of the women CHILDREN?
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Hmm.
I stongly advise you guys to read some Soviet classic Sci-Fi, like Strugatsky brothers "Midday, XXII Century".
I don't think that that particular book was translated, but most of their other classic books are inside a "Midday World", like some that I remember I saw on Amazon: "Far Rainbow", "Inhabited Island"(checked with Amazon, it was translated as "Prisoners of Power"), maybe "A Guy from Hell", "Beetle in the Anthill" etc. Even "It's hard to be a God" is from the same "Midday World" series!
In a first book they show a possible (I mean - Possible!) Communist society, and then use it as a decoration to the plots that don't need further explainations because they are possible in any society.
They made a same progress as pan Stanislaw (IMHO the greatest Sci-Fi writer ever). If you ever read Lem's early books like "Astronauts" or "Magellan's Cloud" you understand what I mean.
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The writers of Battle Star set the numbers. 50,000 live human bodies. Add up all the possible ship loss accidents not counting fighting the cylons, then throw in combat losses and you may be getting down close to first cousin genetics problems to revitalise the human race. Down the road you still may loose the human race because of the gentics problems.
My O'lady is Washington Mutual's West coast Instructional Training Designer. We are both 50. They don't pay her peanuts. When I remodel our house, she's up to her arm pits in everything I'm working on. She's my partner in life. I wash dishes, wash cloths, wash windows, sew clothing, interior decorate, tend my garden, change cat litter, put the toilet seat down and have held teaching credentials in two schools of Japanese Swordsmanship and trained female and male students. Both sexes bleed the same.
Chairboy, you got a point, or you wanna keep insulting my O'lady's lifetime opinion of me?
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No green chicks on BSG... its not pure Sci Fi unless theres green chicks.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
No green chicks on BSG... its not pure Sci Fi unless theres green chicks.
To be fair, the 2 Chicks identified as Cylons are pretty hot. I'f hit it! Twice!
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If BSD didn't have babes on testosterone, geeks in the target age range wouldn't watch, and the show wouldn't sell advertising. Could you imagine Iwo Jima with BSD babes getting cut down in the thousands on day one at the black sand beach? Or D-Day and all the first wave LST's dropping the landing ramp and 100% BSD babes running out into the German fire? Or the Battan death march. All BSD Babes. Or Cameron, wonder what kind of history the Legion would be remembering today?
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Originally posted by bustr
The writers of Battle Star set the numbers. 50,000 live human bodies. Add up all the possible ship loss accidents not counting fighting the cylons, then throw in combat losses and you may be getting down close to first cousin genetics problems to revitalise the human race. Down the road you still may loose the human race because of the gentics problems.
My O'lady is Washington Mutual's West coast Instructional Training Designer. We are both 50. They don't pay her peanuts. When I remodel our house, she's up to her arm pits in everything I'm working on. She's my partner in life. I wash dishes, wash cloths, wash windows, sew clothing, interior decorate, tend my garden, change cat litter, put the toilet seat down and have held teaching credentials in two schools of Japanese Swordsmanship and trained female and male students. Both sexes bleed the same.
Chairboy, you got a point, or you wanna keep insulting my O'lady's lifetime opinion of me?
Hell, if I wuz yer wife, I'd never let yah do anything unsupervised and relegate you to all the stuff I hate doing.. wash dishes, change the cat litter, do the laundry, sew buttons and mow the lawn.
I'd have a very high lifetime opinion of you, too.
Yep.. you have a very fortunate (smart) wife. You are, in the parlance of one woman I know all too well.. "a keeper".
Now, put the lid down and get your feet off the furniture.
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Yeah but is she green?
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star wars chicks are better then star trek ones
who wants a woman whose face can put your eye out literally, with one of her nose bumps, or forehead ridges, plus half of them have nasty liver spots going around their faces.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Yeah but is she green?
Yep. But she's aged about 30 years since that episode..
...the green ones don't age well...
... at all.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
The President's assistant.. the dweeb with the hots fer the cute green eyed black bridge talker.
Actually I was talking about Cally. It may seem that she kills Boomer-Galactica out of rage, but I think there's more to it than meets the eye.
Remember during the attack on the Cylon AA position on Kobol, Number Six tells the Doctor that someone from the team would rise against them.
Follow me here... I'm excluding the possibility that a) The Dr is bananas and imagining the whole thing and b) Number Six can foresee the future.
Sooo how does a Cylon know what's going to happen? Because another cylon is going to trigger it. Who does? Cally does when she refuses to comply with the LT's order, forcing the situation that ends up with the Dr. killing Crashdown.
Now, in the last ep, Boomer-Galactica spews it all out, and looks like she can deliver more information about the cylons onboard Galactica. Then Cally shoots her and kills her. Coincidence? I am guessing not.
My list so far: Aaron Doral (the PR guy), Leoben Conoy (the philosopher), Boomer, Number Six, Cally... and I'm guessing Laura Roslin. Yep, the President herself... too convenient that she's having visions and is sooo determined to carry out her "mission" in the prophecies.
Again, this should belong in another thread, but couldn't resist.
:p
Carry on. :)
Daniel
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bustr... there is one space opera that doesn't promote socialism or even government and.... it believes in the human right to arm yourself...
Firelfly... Best Sci fi series I have ever seen.
I believe the problem with sci fi is that it is... well... written by autors... authors with a liberal education and probably no real life experiance... authors who probly struggled and starved for a long time till they made it (if they ever did) and thought "gee.. wouldn't it be nice if great people like myself were subsidised byu a kinder and more understanding government?"
lazs
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Are replicators, replicated? If not who builds them? Slaves in the salt mines of Talas 4?
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why... the people who can...
they do it out of love for their fellow humans just like rodenberry gave every cent that he didn't need to eat on to those less fortunate than himself.
lazs
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"If BSD didn't have babes on testosterone, geeks in the target age range wouldn't watch"
This is what I don't understand; it's completely beyond my ability to fathom it. How do these women appeal to anyone? I like feminine women, not the aggressive, essentially neutral-gender women who all too often make their appearances on these TV shows. I can name multiple television actresses from the 50's and '60's whom I find highly appealing. I can think of none from current times, and the manly "women" protrayed in some of these sci-fi shows are the worst of the bunch. Sorry, but a woman with hair shorter than mine in a combat uniform holding a gun doesn't turn me on.
I think it has less to do with the viewers and more to do with the studio's efforts to be more "PC". In addition, hollywood writers are well-known for being out of touch with reality.
J_A_B
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To heck with what everyone else said about Star Trek - I'll take the cure for the common cold that they've somehow developed.
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Originally posted by J_A_B
Sorry, but a woman with hair shorter than mine in a combat uniform holding a gun doesn't turn me on.
J_A_B
Implicit in your statement seems to be the suggestion that the sole purpose of all women on television and in movies is to sexually excite male viewers.
I have to disagree, as there is mounting evidence that women are people too, and can potentially even be cast as 'characters' with 'personality' that contribute to the ethereal 'story' concept.
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Originally posted by J_A_B
"If BSD didn't have babes on testosterone, geeks in the target age range wouldn't watch"
This is what I don't understand; it's completely beyond my ability to fathom it. How do these women appeal to anyone? I like feminine women, not the aggressive, essentially neutral-gender women who all too often make their appearances on these TV shows. I can name multiple television actresses from the 50's and '60's whom I find highly appealing. I can think of none from current times, and the manly "women" protrayed in some of these sci-fi shows are the worst of the bunch. Sorry, but a woman with hair shorter than mine in a combat uniform holding a gun doesn't turn me on.
I think it has less to do with the viewers and more to do with the studio's efforts to be more "PC". In addition, hollywood writers are well-known for being out of touch with reality.
J_A_B
It's hollywood. since when has hollywood ever had anything to do with reality.
as fer bad-ass chicks with big guns.. doesn't 'turn me on', but no reason to get my panties inna bunch.. i'm not gender challenged. OTOH, if hollywood wants to make it 'ok' to kick the livin crap outta a mouthy smart-assed sweaty chick.. well, it's about time somebody[/i] started kickin the hell outta uppity sweaty chicks.
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Originally posted by Seagoon
You have too much time on your hands Mustaine. Then again, who has too much time, the guy who wonders these things or the guy who responds to the guy who wonders these things? :D
LOL true... even worse, machine is still down today, nothing to do but sit here, troll the board, and read intardnet news.
anyway, some interesting responses to this topic.
i see the socialist philosophy in the show, and in many utopia futureistic societies, it just is kind of funny how naive the writers eem to be. you telling me the people in those civilazations would just "accept" it, and not compete for better things in life?
seagoon i think hit it on the head, with the "In reality you'd have a crew of obese perverts in no time" LOL. i know i'd be like that.
replicate hot wings. replicate beer. replicate camel ultra lights. replicate pasties. replicate rare steak. replicate bacardi. replicate bloody mary. replicate pub burger. replicate chili fries.
in the holodeck: replicate augusta. replicate st. andrews. replicate pebble beach. replicate alyssa milano. replicate rachael weisz. replicate mairlyn monroe. replicate jewel. replicate madonna (in her earlier years).
it boggles the mind what you could do for "recreation" :D :aok :rofl
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"Implicit in your statement seems to be the suggestion that the sole purpose of all women on television and in movies is to sexually excite male viewers. "
You don't know what you're talking about. Here's a clue--a woman can be feminine, without being reduced to a sex object. I find sex objects boring. A slutty woman with an airbrushed body and no brain is little more than a doll, and doesn't hold my interest.
Unlike many members of my generation, I'm not completely obsessed with sex. "Attractive" and "Sexy" is NOT necessarily the same thing, though its a distinction which is all too often lost in today's society.
It would not surprise me if you can't grasp the distinction, and it might not be your fault. Women haven't been treated as women by the media for quite some time. They're either treated as men with boobs, or as sex objects with little in between the two extremes. I find both portrayals equally laughable.
J_A_B
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Originally posted by J_A_B
... Unlike many members of my generation, I'm not completely obsessed with sex. "Attractive" and "Sexy" is NOT necessarily the same thing, though its a distinction which is all too often lost in today's society. ...
i'd make a thread discussing that topic, but i dont want to spam the board TOOO much LOL
but you are dead on. i can name a TON of examples where a woman was "sexy" but not an airbrushed penthouse looking model. in fact i find them unattractive in a way like you mention.
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Originally posted by J_A_B
"Implicit in your statement seems to be the suggestion that the sole purpose of all women on television and in movies is to sexually excite male viewers. "
You don't know what you're talking about. Here's a clue--a woman can be feminine, without being reduced to a sex object. I find sex objects boring. A slutty woman with an airbrushed body and no brain is little more than a doll, and doesn't hold my interest.
Unlike many members of my generation, I'm not completely obsessed with sex. "Attractive" and "Sexy" is NOT necessarily the same thing, though its a distinction which is all too often lost in today's society.
It would not surprise me if you can't grasp the distinction, and it might not be your fault. Women haven't been treated as women by the media for quite some time. They're either treated as men with boobs, or as sex objects with little in between the two extremes. I find both portrayals equally laughable.
J_A_B
I love it when a man argues with himself on a BBS. I think it's 'attractive'.
:D
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Originally posted by Hangtime
i'm not gender challenged.
I'm confused hangtime, are you finally admitting your ghey or that you've finallly the operation and are now Miss hangtime?
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Originally posted by Vulcan
I'm confused hangtime, are you finally admitting your ghey or that you've finallly the operation and are now Miss hangtime?
Yes. And, I'm all sweaty. Now, come kick my ass. Beyatch.
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barring certain taboos... men allways look at women as sexual objects.
lazs
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If you guys remember there was a character named Barkley(sp)...and the joke was the only chicks he could get were on the holodeck. Then it was found out he was "getting" women from the Enterprise that he knew.
IMO it is a reference that "most" men think of sexual relations with female co-workers etc. And that in itself refers to the long standing argument that men and women can't be friends...because most men want to nail their female friends.
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Originally posted by JB66
If you guys remember there was a character named Barkley(sp)...and the joke was the only chicks he could get were on the holodeck. Then it was found out he was "getting" women from the Enterprise that he knew.
IMO it is a reference that "most" men think of sexual relations with female co-workers etc. And that in itself refers to the long standing argument that men and women can't be friends...because most men want to nail their female friends.
i remember that episode! he was after dianna troy the semi hot chick that could read minds :aok