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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Krusher on August 11, 2005, 03:07:18 PM
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This is some cool stuff.
test fight (http://www.spacewar.com/news/uav-05zzzh.html)
For test flights 63 and 64, the X-45As departed from the base, climbed to altitude, and autonomously used their on-board decision-making software to determine the best route of flight within the "area of action" or AOA.
The pilot on the ground approved the plan and the two unmanned vehicles entered the AOA, a 30 by 60 mile area within the test range, ready to perform a simulated Preemptive Destruction-Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses mission.
The mission involved identifying, attacking and destroying pre-identified ground-based radars and associated missile launchers before they could be used to launch surface-to-air missiles.
During the test flight, the X-45A unmanned aircraft faced a simulated "pop-up" threat, used evasive maneuvers to avoid it, and autonomously determined which vehicle held the optimum position, weapons and fuel to attack the higher priority simulated target.
Once the pilot authorized the attack, the unmanned aircraft simulated dropping weapons on the target. After engaging and destroying a second simulated target, the two X-45As completed their mission and safely returned to Edwards.
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Sarah Conner?
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Very cool. On the way to work a year or so ago, I was behind a semi that was carrying one of these up the 405. Wish I had had a camera.
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I REALLY don't like the idea of machines that "think" for themselves. Besides, aircraft are too expensive to send over enemy territory when they don't have any self preservation insticts. Need to keep pilots in the cockpits.
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Originally posted by ASTAC
I REALLY don't like the idea of machines that "think" for themselves. Besides, aircraft are too expensive to send over enemy territory when they don't have any self preservation insticts. Need to keep pilots in the cockpits.
beleive it or not it costs a hellova lot more money to put a human in the cockpit of a plane than a computer. You have to figure in all the life support systems and the cockpit itself.
A drone can also be designed to pull an insane amount of G's that was never before possible. A pilot would pass out were the drone would keep on going.
as long as they don't run them all from a computer system called skynet and have plenty of fail safes I'm cool with it.
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Until we evolve beyond needing wars, removing ourselves from the awful process of fighting and deing in wars is handing over to an elite few the power of our life and deaths. We are handing over the knowlege of how to protect our freedom and what that real price is.
We are admitting that we would rather be well fed narcisistic slaves to the rule of a few, than face the indescribable Joys and Terrors of being responsible for our own destinies.
"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those that did not. And each meekly inherit only an earthin plot............"
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Originally posted by bustr
Until we evolve beyond needing wars, removing ourselves from the awful process of fighting and deing in wars is handing over to an elite few the power of our life and deaths.
So you're saying... unstead of pilotless fighters.... affix bayonets, we go over the top in 1 minute?
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It doesnt matter what new technology you invent you will never replace real boots on the ground.
Even with UCAVs you will still need foot soldiers. Make no doubt about it.
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I thought the X45 was a joystick??
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Just pray it never gets struck by lightning, or it'll end up doing fire donuts in the sky, and then we're all doomed!
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LOL
And then they'll be SkyNet...and then... yada yada
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War is not about dying for your country. It's about making the other guys die for theirs. As quickly and efficiently as inhumanly possible.
Flick a switch, some inhuman machine snuffs the bad guys. Bad for their morale, great for ours.
Carry on. :aok
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If war distills down to flicking a switch on a remote robot and vaporising the other guy without getting yer arse out of your armchair, we as a species will never give up war, or find another path to resolve differences.
We will just build bigger and faster robots along with better robot arms to pat ourselves on the back for being clever enough to make the physical reality the robot and dead guy's problem. War will become one big internet BBS chat room where it will be your advasaries own derned fault if he wasen't clever enough to get a robot.
War will become old cowards sitting in protected bunkers wiping out other old cowards children with the press of a button. Narcasistic, self serving, and a very poor species survival strategy. By nature humans are nasty littel children who don't generaly want to take responsibilty for their actions and want to win all of their fights by any means possible. Reduce it to a button with no blood in your face, you won't grow up the human race.
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"War will become old cowards sitting in protected bunkers wiping out other old cowards children with the press of a button. Narcasistic, self serving, and a very poor species survival strategy. By nature humans are nasty littel children who don't generaly want to take responsibilty for their actions and want to win all of their fights by any means possible. Reduce it to a button with no blood in your face, you won't grow up the human race."
Yep thats what I spent the cold war being afraid of! MAD! :(
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Originally posted by bustr
If war distills down to flicking a switch on a remote robot and vaporising the other guy without getting yer arse out of your armchair, we as a species will never give up war, or find another path to resolve differences.
We will just build bigger and faster robots along with better robot arms to pat ourselves on the back for being clever enough to make the physical reality the robot and dead guy's problem. War will become one big internet BBS chat room where it will be your advasaries own derned fault if he wasen't clever enough to get a robot.
War will become old cowards sitting in protected bunkers wiping out other old cowards children with the press of a button. Narcasistic, self serving, and a very poor species survival strategy. By nature humans are nasty littel children who don't generaly want to take responsibilty for their actions and want to win all of their fights by any means possible. Reduce it to a button with no blood in your face, you won't grow up the human race.
There is no 'honor' in war. Just death.
If we do not develop and refine the machines, the other side will. The moment the machine gun entered the battlefield the path was clear. The X-35 is just another step down the path.. we either take that step, or we become the 'cannon fodder' in the next war.
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War has a problem with the human pshycy. When you fight an enemy long enough, no matter that you are moraly right, you and your enemy devolve into equaly brutal savages. Given enough time, the war and violence becomes it's own reason to keep fighting.
Only if you can perfom a one time super superior action which completley defeats your foe do you escape becomeing indistigueshable from your foe. But then you become a superior killer of mankind raising the bar as the price of playing war for future enemies. Dropping nukes on Japan, then the cold war is a living example.
Now the War on terror. Terrorists......terrorism.... Israel has morally devolved to walking a very gray line in the name of survival due to the length of their war with Islam. To many in the world they have already become indistigueshable from thier enemies. And now the West may have to walk the same path downwards in the name of survival.
Being the very clever and innovative western culture we are, we will invent very superior killing machines that will eventually detect and destroy all of the terrorists everywhere on this planet with the push of a button. We will become more terrifiying than the terrorists because the machines will effectivly be invisible, silent, 100% accurate, and have no soul or compassion.
And in the end those machines and thier technology will be in the hands of the elite few all over the planet. We as a species will still be nasty little children addicted to our baser nature. These machines that will save us from the terroists will help us take another thousand steps backwards from growing up as a species.
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"These words were not meant only for the Yangs, but for the Kohms as well. They must apply to everyone, or they mean nothing. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?"
"I do not fully understand, one called Kirk..."
I saw that episode of Star Trek too! :D
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chairboy
Screw Star Trek and your attempting to associate what I just said with it. I had forgotten that episod ever existed. After about 50 years the human condition and it's nature becomes rather obvious and boreing in it's repition of viscious childishness like the anonymous luxury of this BB at times.
When it comes to the business of killing your neighbor over something meaningless, the farther removed from the end product, the simpler it is to push the button.
If you had to stand nose to nose with every person you belittel and insult on this BB while you verbalise your condesention, you would quickly begin practicing deplomacy out of practical necessity.
Until we monkey boys evolve past our infatuation with our cultural hormones, we need to have the results of our stupidities splashed across our faces everytime we pull the trigger. We haven't grown up enough that we can allow a generation to skip these practical lesssons in what life costs to loose it.
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so bustr we (the US) should abandon this technology and let somone else develop it?
Like hang said when they "invented the Machine gun" Chivalry in warfare died.
somone else is going to develop this you cannot stop it.
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What ever the human race becomes it will become. It is the same as when parents raise children and around about 18-21 they leave home. You cannot stop them from evolving into their own person good or bad. The best we as a society can pray for is the parent spent 18-21 years constantly trying to pass on what they learned from the past. Then hope the child now as a young agressive growing individual takes those lessons and improves on them with their own experiences.
The human condition is a constant repetitive process. We don't have a genetic memory of our past speices successes and failures. Each human has to repeat the learning process as a brand new blank slate. We have a repetitive tendancy due to our emotional condition to act out the definition of insanty. Too many of us in every generation have to perform the exact same previously failed actions to learn in the first person they don't work.
If no one in every generation made the kinds of observations you are questioning that I have just made, we would well be on the path to extinction by emotional stupidity. We all thought our parents were pain in the arses and full of themselves while they bored us with thier vast buckets of wisdom in the face of our obvious superior youth and ego. But there was/is for humans no other way to pass on the lessons of humanity. Nobody goes to library, reads everything and stops making all of the pasts mistakes from that point on.
I'm all for having the meanest army in creation to kill the bad guys and break their toys. But the question I'm asking and attempting to help you ask your selves:
"What is this doing for the human races ability to grow into something far greater than super human killers"?
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Originally posted by LePaul
LOL
And then they'll be SkyNet...and then... yada yada
No dummy, then Jamie Foxx swoops in and saves the day.
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Originally posted by bustr
What ever the human race becomes it will become. It is the same as when parents raise children and around about 18-21 they leave home. You cannot stop them from evolving into their own person good or bad. The best we as a society can pray for is the parent spent 18-21 years constantly trying to pass on what they learned from the past. Then hope the child now as a young agressive growing individual takes those lessons and improves on them with their own experiences.
The human condition is a constant repetitive process. We don't have a genetic memory of our past speices successes and failures. Each human has to repeat the learning process as a brand new blank slate. We have a repetitive tendancy due to our emotional condition to act out the definition of insanty. Too many of us in every generation have to perform the exact same previously failed actions to learn in the first person they don't work.
If no one in every generation made the kinds of observations you are questioning that I have just made, we would well be on the path to extinction by emotional stupidity. We all thought our parents were pain in the arses and full of themselves while they bored us with thier vast buckets of wisdom in the face of our obvious superior youth and ego. But there was/is for humans no other way to pass on the lessons of humanity. Nobody goes to library, reads everything and stops making all of the pasts mistakes from that point on.
I'm all for having the meanest army in creation to kill the bad guys and break their toys. But the question I'm asking and attempting to help you ask your selves:
"What is this doing for the human races ability to grow into something far greater than super human killers"?
All any of us can do is live this life, today.
We can all hope that our progeny are smarter than we are, learn from our mistakes and apply the correct windage to the plotted path humanity must take.
And so we go; one step at a time.
The next step is mechanized push button war. Us or Them.. it's gonna happen. The only choice right now is just that.
Us... or Them.
Choose wisely.