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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Dingy on February 25, 2001, 04:31:00 PM
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Sometimes the rooks can be working well as a team, sometimes they have no clue. This afternoon was the latter (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Despite a big push by the Nits down south from 7 and 30, over half our numbers felt that trying to take 1 from a carrier stationed just off shore would be the more prudent thing to do.
Welp, at the expense of P21, good job...hope ya get it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-Ding
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<takes Generals cap from Saintaw, proudly presents it to Dingy>
Have another beer dude (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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you let saw have it in the 1st place - your doomed (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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did someone mention A1 again?
Fury
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God save the Quee.... err A1!!!!!
-SW
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Lol maybe we should get the number 1 banned from the map, then at least the
"strategically challenged" would have to think for a few seconds a night, even if its only WTF WAAAAAAAAAHHH wheres A1 gone !!!!
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(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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Sometimes the <Insert your country here> work for strategic targets. Sometimes, just for fun, sometimes, both. A1 was fun last nite. Period.
Besides, being the most keen on reality of this game, Rooks were only trying to get rid of this unrealistic and unballancing GPS + Inflight Radar. And, as efficient as ever, we succeed. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
Pepe
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Hmmm....yeah what IS it with A1? Seems every map its fought for! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I got a kick out of the mentality of the strategically challenged last night and the rationale behind using a carrier stationed midway between 1 and 4. You save, what? 2 minutes of flight? (For those who are AH geographically impaired, A4 is only 15 miles to the east of 1.)
ROFL!
MUST....GET....TO....FIGHT... AND....DIE....QUICKER!!!!!
-Ding
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Ahhh you mean while you and the Rook masses were busy fighting at A1 it succesfully contributed to the Rooks losing there Radar ?
Cos thats the way i see it.
Having said that i also appreciate you pays your money and makes your choice how and when to fight, and its not for me to control how and why you do it. But it does not prevent me and many others from wondering why the hell we bother trying to win the war when it appears we are throwing our virtual lives away defending strategic targets and Jabo attacks when others bury their heads in the sand and ignore pleas for help just because God Forbid A1 is under attack !!!
Maybe you all need reminding that there are 60 ? perkie points available for winning the war.
I just hope all the A1 junkies find they are short of perkies for that Uber plane they wanna try out.
I am realistic enough to realise that the A1 fest is here to stay, and hell i have even joined in some nights, but sure as hell not when my Home island and HQ is under attack.
My choice tho, make yours and be sure to enjoy it cos all that really matters is you pay to play and keep HT solvent (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Nuke the center island or move it and it's inhabitants to the Quake arena.
Mox
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Dingy,
We have a couple of rather harsh words on chan. 2 yesterday.
Ok. It is more sound, strategic-wise, and prudent to try to defend 21 and 19. It is so clear that discussing this do not make sense. But It happens that people act only seldom with strategics on mind in the MA. We had a hell of a time at A1 last night, and that was the reason. I do not know if another countries acts like that, but I would bet they do.
I decided to keep the CV near A1 because:
a) We were having a blast there.
b) You had the option to move TG 40 to A7
c) There were no organized missions in planner (AFAIK) to release pressure or even defend home island (so I assumed strategic-impaired rook must be the vast majority -include me, pls-), only that frantic call to move TG 13 South to A7.
Anyway, have my appoligies. I should not be using hard words with someone that likes the "real" aspects of this sim, for it is what is I like most. Or with anyone else. Having said that, I would point that you were the one who first used rude language.
Take it easy, we were having some consecutive nights of cooperating, planning and coordinated flying in Rookland. Far beyond any expectative. We had to take a rest and fly just for fun. Heck, we might even lose our well earned reputation of being the less organized country (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I usually pay lots of attention to strategic duties and mission calls, I rather fly anything organised than anyother type, but yesterday I was on a quakeish mood. Sorry if that, and the actions associated to that, upset you. I will be back in my usual way this week (I hope)
Cheers,
Pepe.
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yep... obvious that some of you guys are playing a different (and very grim and serious) game than the rest of us.
Cheer up tho... I will be selling my idiotic "perk" points on ebay so you can buy em and relax a little.
lazs
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Having said that i also appreciate you pays your money and makes your choice how and when to fight, and its not for me to control how and why you do it. But it does not prevent me and many others from wondering why the hell we bother trying to win the war when it appears we are throwing our virtual lives away defending strategic targets and Jabo attacks when others bury their heads in the sand and ignore pleas for help just because God Forbid A1 is under attack !!!
If I read this to mean "why are we making this sacrifice for you if you don't care" then I suggest you shouldn't. If this is meant to mean "we can't possibly play the way we like because you guys aren't playing the way we need you to" I'm afraid I cannot offer anything.
Sometimes people play the way we like, sometimes they don't. Last night when I logged on we had 30K Lancs all over the south. They bombed out every fighter hangar within 4 sectors of a base they were after. It was smart tactically, but boring as hell to me. After chasing and killing my 4th Lanc I decided that there wouldn't be any "action" and logged off. No complaints, those pilots paid their money to fly up there just like I did.
[This message has been edited by Kieren (edited 02-26-2001).]
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Pepe,
I apologize for the harsh words flailed between us and the words sent to DobleV as well.
Yes, last night was a tad frustrating having control of multiple CVs yanked from under my control to support a strategy I dont personally agree with.
There were 2 problems as I saw it last night:
First, having CVs yanked out from under my control. First of all, no one was listed as the captain for CV13 and so I took control of it after we took 4. Figured 7 was the next base we needed to take. Surprise surprise, everytime I gave it orders to sail, someone else would change the direction to support 1, then disappear off the list. I can only assume they didnt want me to know who kept changing control.
Second, seeing wave upon wave of enemy assail our port, A19 and our HQ while 20 or so Rooks vulched at 1 was a little frustrating as well. At one point it was only Cavalier and myself over 19 trying to defend it from enemy.
I understand everyone has the right to fly as they see fit since its their money but what gets frustrating is that I find it difficult to fly as I see fit since there are sometimes so few who wish to play the strategic game as I do! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I think Kieren summarized this perfectly.
-Ding
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I concur Dingy, the CV, a STRAT weapon being used as a dweeb platform in middle island. Egads!
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Dingy,
I truly understood your feelings, been there, done that lots of times. It's easy to get angry in these situations. Only that your approach and the fact I was having fun, just moved me the dweeb way. Appology accepted, and I hope mine too, the other way.
I regularly try to post missions on planner, and join the ones that others post. Please do it when you think some strat is needed, and I will join, even if I am incidentally embarked in some dweeb-like behaviour and/or we are outnumbered. No matter if is fiter, jabo or buff mission. My only no-show will be if I am already in a Squad mission. In that event, I will try to join forces. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Cheers,
Pepe
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Tac, the CV is not a STRAT asset. At best, with actual counter/radar settings we have a tactic-like asset. And with the control the TG commanders have over the deck, most of the times we have an early warning system (for the enemy, that is).
Cheers,
Pepe
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Originally posted by Pepino:
Dingy,
It's easy to get angry in these situations. Only that your approach and the fact I was having fun, just moved me the dweeb way. Appology accepted, and I hope mine too, the other way.
My approach? My approach was to take control of a carrier which did not have a captain, move it towards a base we needed strategically and to try to rally some support.
What I got was a mysterious commandeering of the TF in question who then left the captain slot. Thinking it was a problem on my end, I took control back only to find the same ghost captain taking control, changing waypoints then releasing control. Finally someone took control and kept it when I asked who was changing WPs.
I dont see anything wrong with my "approach" and I understand that I dont play enough to have the score required to keep control but this whole thing of having someone change control of TF waypoints and then disappear mysteriously does get old.
-Ding
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Yup, if there truly is a glaring hole in the way the perk system works, it is the fleet situation. Putting Gilligan in charge of the fleet is a good way to lose the navy. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
At least with the uberride situation the worst that can happen is a guy can routinely fly one imbalancing plane.
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With "approach" I meant the rude words. Didn't know at that time your problem with mystery stolen command.
If there is anything I dislike is rudeness. I can understand it, sometimes. I dislike it always. Now I can understand yours. Probably I would have acted otherwise if I knew then, but if anybody is rude with me, expect no collaboration from me, whatsoever. I'm in the game to have a good time, and this includes ignoring the "vocal" ones.
I know there are guys prone to insulting, etc. with more or less reasons to do it. I could care less about them. If my acting makes them even more offensive, so be it. I don't ever squelch channel 1 or 2 or whoever. I do not need it. And I find open channel funny, most of the times.
I have the feeling of these kind of attitude more usual in the MA lately. Sometimes is the one that goes bananas because some TG commander denies the dweeby use of the fleet, sometimes is the opposite. Sometimes is nobody flying goon, sometimes....And I am not talking about "Chog dweeb" and the like.
That's what I saw wrong of your approach. Nothing more, nothing less. I understood your concern for A19-P21, but, dang, your attitude made me think "so what?".
As I said before, I'm always keen on joining missions, as they reflect (IMO) the only tangible expression of tactical/strategic thinking in this game, and the effort of some individual in you own country to put some order in chaos. Shouting and insulting is not the kind of behaviour I take into account. Put a mission in the planner, and I will be in.
This is not directed straight to you. As I read it on the text bar, you were insulting Spaniards in general and DobleV in particular. I pay absolutely no attention to this kind of demand of cooperation and teamwork, whoever makes the call. Not especifically because DobleV or even Spain is involved, but because insults are not tollerable, by my standards. I conducted myself with you as I would do with anyother. Of course I care about Rook's fate, but while this remains a game issue, the attitude does not.
I hope this clarify what "approach" means in my post.
Cheers,
Pepe
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LOL nope, I am an equal opportunity insulter and will direct them at my own countrymen as required. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
What you and DobleV got last night would also have been directed at any American if they acted as you two did last night.
Now mind you, once I found out DobleV was the one who kept taking control of the fleet away from me, I asked him nicely in private to stop doing that but went unheeded. It was then that I launched into my ch2 diatribe.
My biggest foible is that I have a short temper and it gets even shorter when I feel Im dealing with idiocy. Again, Pepe and Doble, I apologize if it seemed I was bashing Spaniards. I actually have come to enjoy the worldwide presence in AH and am NOT a xenophobic American. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
-Ding
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I wish I could have been there to bomb the fighter hangars and sink the CV.
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hehe, Raub I am beginning to sense a certain... consistancy... about your posts. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by LJK Raubvogel:
I wish I could have been there to bomb the fighter hangars and sink the CV.
Me too!
The only carrier we could muster to support 19 was sunk while trying to do so. Amazing how the Nits realizing that 21 and 19 would be better suited by sinking our defending carrier while the Bish (or lemmings?) at 1 let the carrier just sit off shore (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
-Ding
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(http://wsphotofews.excite.com/014/S1/pW/QT/8c91316.jpg)
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LOL! Whys it not surprise me that a guy named MrFish spends time looking at the Cartoon Network (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
-Ding
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lol - touche`
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Back in our usual strategic mood, this monday Rookland was able to push back an attack from Knitland.
Against overwhelming odds, Rook forces were able to repell a combined P21-A19 attack, destroying all of the enemy airborne assets, even when P21's fate seemed sealed.
After that, we managed to disrupt 2 almost consecutive attacks over our HQ (one to be a Lanc with Pony escort, the other one a single Lanc, both on the 25/30k area), action which proved to be capital, as knits attacks decreased substantially in quantity and intensity. In all of this actions, Rooks were quite responsive to calls, and acted accordingly.
Rookland showed great...some...well, sorta strategic skills, worked as a team (well, some assorted teams), and managed to capture A-5, A8, A4, A10, A9 and sank bish fleet W of A9 (sorry if I forget something) in about 2 hours time.
And this kind of cooperative work is more often seen than ever. <S!> Rooks.
Pepe
[edit] A10 captured & lost couple of times, but I should only count 1 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) [/edit]
[This message has been edited by Pepino (edited 02-27-2001).]
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<takes Generals cap from Dingy, proudly presents it to 214thCavalier>
Hold it!
<takes Generals cap from 214thCavalier, adds some sparkly things and proudly presents it to Dingy>
bowser
[This message has been edited by bowser (edited 02-27-2001).]
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hello all:
well I must have missed the great air battle at a1 last night. I did how ever help take a19, then a18. then help flatten Rook city.
It was so great to see the Rook women and childeren running for there lives, and to straff them down.
Now after destroying the Rook city, some of us lousy Knight pilots went and took A25 from the Bishops, then moved on to A22, V23, V44, V2, A43, then A1. not a lot of defenders to stop us. well then us lousy Knight pilots flew over and took A4 and V3.
Wait, what is this, some Bishops have decided to attack Knight base A24. danm, not a single one of us baboon Knights went and stoped them, but now they want A25, not going to happen. as griz and I will stop them, and stop them we did.
well I logged shortly after that, so I dont know what happened then.
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