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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Blammo on August 11, 2005, 04:53:55 PM
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I just ordered my very own TrackIR Pro today with the Vector Expansion!!! Go me! After over a year of waiting I finally get to order it. Can't wait to set it up and try it out.
Oh well, I'll go about my way now :D
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lol tell us all how it is!!! i heard you get motion sick
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Bob,
Have fun with the new Track IR. Glad your on my side!
Take care and see you in the game.
Joe
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Well, we'll see...to be honest, I don't think it will help me much, but at least I won't have to use the hat switch all the time.
How many other people use the TrackIR in AH?
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Originally posted by Blammo
Well, we'll see...to be honest, I don't think it will help me much, but at least I won't have to use the hat switch all the time.
How many other people use the TrackIR in AH?
In a few years you'll no more think about a flight sim (or racing sim) without TrackIR than you would a sim that didn't support a joystick; it's a must have item.
Not neccesarily because it's "better" (there's still people mouse flying happily enough, right?); but because it's "right".
It took me about two to three months to really get used to it; and the absolute straight six view maybe isn't as good as what one can achieve with judicious head positioning and a hat switch; but it still rocks :-)
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The Track IR is way beter IMO. It helps me so much, I think it is almost cheating :lol
It does take a while to get used to, but after that, it rocks.
It is much easier to track targets. And if you dont loose sight of the enemy, its a huge advantage in a turn fight.
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For those of us that dont know...... What exactly is track IR?
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It's a head tracking device. You can watch around by moving your head slightly, no need for hat buttons anymore.
TrackIR (http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/).
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Tried it. Couldnt get used to it. Might sell it, I'm thinking about it. I've been using the keyboard for so long its just second nature. My hand knows where the buttons are. The hat switch is really not even useful to me (I only have a 4 way hat on my old Flightstick Pro) so I use it for combo button views like up right or up left, up back and up forward. The keypad is still my comfort zone for views.
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Blammo,
Expect 3 months of pain before it becomes second nature. Your gunna learn how to fly all over again.
With a hat switch you fly "from" the views because of the set angles.
With Track IR you fly "into" the views, so you lose your learned ability to fly the plane looking out at a specific angle.
Get some profiles from us that have gone through the painful setup, test, and retest phase.
Balsy
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didnt like it in AH. felt it was a disadvantage rather than an advantage when fighting. it is now unplugged gathering dust in a draw.
it is awesome in IL2 and FS games though.
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Originally posted by Blammo
I just ordered my very own TrackIR Pro today with the Vector Expansion!!! Go me! After over a year of waiting I finally get to order it. Can't wait to set it up and try it out.
Oh well, I'll go about my way now :D
I like mine... but after a month and a half I still have problems at times. It doesn't make me motion sick at all.....it's my HEAD that causes problems. The best piece of advice I'd give is what another guy gave to me. It takes a while to get your head "calibrated". I still lean and tilt and duck and bob and weave. It's a hard habit to break and it really messes up my gunnery, which pretty much blew to begin with. I need a neck brace or something to learn not to move my head around so much. Profiles are important too.
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Let me start off by saying that the TIR is an awesome tool that works perfectly and really aids in the immersion. My two best tips are to get the unit at least 40 inches away from your head and to set large deadbands.
IL2FBAEPPF does not allow your head to move about within the cockpit, so much of the advanced functionailty of the Vector expansion is lost, but that limitation does make getting used to it easier IMHO. The AH view system is the most advance in any flight sim that I know of, and while this makes the TIR with vector perform amazingly it also makes the learning curve steeper.
Expect a 50% reduction in gunnery and K/D for the first few months. I think the difficulty in getting used to it is directly proportionate to how long you've been flying with a hat for your views. My 14 year old FCS can attest to that!
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Do you need extra hardware or better hardware to run it ?
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Originally posted by Big G
Do you need extra hardware or better hardware to run it ?
It takes only a tiny bit of my CPU, if you are already close to the edge on performance it MIGHT be an issue but I doubt it.
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hmmmm, I'd like to try this myself..... Any of you guys decide to sell your TrackIR, let me know - I may purchase it from ya!
:aok
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
The keypad is still my comfort zone for views.
What do you use for throttle if you're using the keypad for views?
On/off?
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>Edbert<
Does the gunsight float like it does without trackIR? In otherwords, does it stay in the center-point of the screen, or does it stay centered in the sight-glass? I am just not clear on this.
>Balsy<
Could you explain a little about the flying into a view? I am sure it will make more sense when I get it, but I'd like to know what to expect.
>Furball<
What exactly was it about the TrackIR that made you feel like you were at a disadvantage?
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Originally posted by Blammo
>Edbert<
Does the gunsight float like it does without trackIR? In otherwords, does it stay in the center-point of the screen, or does it stay centered in the sight-glass? I am just not clear on this.
>Balsy<
Could you explain a little about the flying into a view? I am sure it will make more sense when I get it, but I'd like to know what to expect.
>Furball<
What exactly was it about the TrackIR that made you feel like you were at a disadvantage?
I can answer these! :)
Gunsite float: The gunsite it's self doesn't "know" you have track IR; so it behaves as you're used to. However; what's very different is that normaly; without track IR; your monitor shows the gun site centre screen. However; with Track IR; what ever you're looking at is center screen; so here's what happens to a new track IR user: you look at bandit; bandit is center screen. You fly the gunsite onto the target. In the begining it takes a concious effort to look at the site; not the bandit; and at first you'll over correct; especialy in the heat of battle. To experiment; try enebling padlock offline; because the feeling is similar.
Flying into a view: Again, 5 minutes experimentation with padlock view; on or off line; will make this statement self explanatory. You can think of padlock as a sort of "automatic; uncontrolled" track IR; inasmuch as it gives a similar effect; especialy in the gunsite view.
Disadvantage: It really takes some getting used to; and in the beggining it's really frustrating as you have to learn to look all over again; and you not only die a lot; but miss easy shots you KNOW you'd have got with out it. If you're proud of your "status" right now; then it's hard to flounder like a noob for a couple of weeks.
But let me add a comment:
HTC is obviously so convinced over Track IR they've hard coded TrackIR set up into the game; so you don't even need the track IR software as AH supports Track IR comands natively (check under clipboard/set up/key mapping; it's all there under "tracker"); although using the Track IR software is a bit easier and allows you to set up profiles for different games.
Additionaly; every single flight sim (and most racing sims) under development that I know of supports track IR to a greater or lesser degree.
But let's be real for a second: Track IR won't make you a killer any more than a $1000 joystick will. But it won't make you any worse; makes the few kills you do get easier (once you've adjusted) and at least doubles the immersion. All these guys whining about the new cockpit gauges being unreadable? Track IR users just lean forward and look a little closer; just as you'd expect :)O
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Blammo,
This site stays in the center of the screen.`
Noticed you have CH gear too... you will have to reconfigure you CH commands now that you have freed up all those hat switches.
Let me know if you would like my CH profile to peak at.
Balsy
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Originally posted by Blammo
>Furball<
What exactly was it about the TrackIR that made you feel like you were at a disadvantage?
Hi,
Basically, i dont give a damn about this 'immersion' mumbo jumbo - its a game and i like killing things. I dont sit there in my biggles hat pretending i am a pilot. The way i look at it, my SA is far better by using the hat mode on my joystick with views set to instant as i can change views much quicker with my thumb than moving my head.
Therefore, using TrackIR i felt it was more of a disadvantage than an advantage in Aces High. It does however kick arse in IL2 (makes a huuuuuuuuuge difference) and MS FS.
Dont let me put you off buying it as it is a nice toy, but if you have the same outlook on things as me then you may not have it plugged in for very long.
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Like Furball and a few others I have one that is gathering dust also.
Just could NOT get used to it.
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Thanks for the feedback, everyone. And thanks for the complete run-down, Seeker.
Originally posted by Balsy
Blammo,
This site stays in the center of the screen.`
Noticed you have CH gear too... you will have to reconfigure you CH commands now that you have freed up all those hat switches.
Let me know if you would like my CH profile to peak at.
Balsy
I'd really like to see your profile, if you don't mind Balsy. Thank you. Just send it to rtippin@bellsouth.net.
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Originally posted by BTW
What do you use for throttle if you're using the keypad for views?
On/off?
I use the same set up as StarOfAfrica for the same reason - absolutely second nature. The throttle is the wheel on the joystick base to the left of the stick. Old School. :)
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Originally posted by Seeker
I can answer these! :)
Seeker not only nailed it but we can make this a sticky and discuss the TIR no further!
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I saw that they have a old type tracker and 1 or 2 new types or versions of the tracker. Read that the new version is supposed to be way different (better) then the old version as far as set up and how it fuctions . What types you guys have?
The newer one was a bit more expensive by a few dollars ( what aint ,duh). I think the one blammo has the newer type, anyone else have the newer version?
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They have version 1/2/3 out, as well as a "pro" version with higher resolution, the Vector expansion (the optional part that allows 6 axis of movement not just 4) is only supported on version three.
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Ive got a review and desription at the link at the bottom of my sig. Ive had no issues with getting motion sick. I find that I generally only get motion sick with certain 3d engines. Flight sims generally dont make people sick because you arnt in closed spaces with wildly moving walls and ceilings.
Check out my review!
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To practice "flying" the gunsight onto the target press TAB then F11 I believe. I really don't like it, too much possibility of hitting the ground while looking at the target. May be good for you though, just my opinion.
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Well, it came in today!!! All I can say is, WOW!!! (for several reasons).
First, I never realized how much I move my head around.
Next, I couldn't even imagine how nice it would be to not have to use the hat switch. I can still use it by disabling the TrackIR on the fly, but it is nice to not have to use my tumb all of the time.
Finally (for now), it is a bit of a curve to learn to use properly. I am sure over time it will get better. I am already pretty sold on it. It's kind of like when I went from dial up to DSL.
Anyway, Balsy, I got the files and thank you! It is really helping me.
Thanks to Seeker and everyone else. I am sure I will have more questions in the near future. If you watch me auger into the ground or miss easy shots, you'll know why...lol.
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Glad you got the profiles.
Now all you have to do is remember to quit before you get frustrated.
Try to leave AH on a "good" TIR experience, instead of waiting till you get PO'd.
Best of luck,
Balsy