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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: NAVCAD on August 12, 2005, 01:56:49 PM
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Skuzzy/HTC...
Can we please bring back the true Night Time. This is definitly the most realistic Flight Sim on the internet, however, to achieve true realism I belive (I know I'm going to get flamed from many of the furballers out there) you need to put the night time back in. So many missions were flown at night, and yes, it does make it harder to find and hit and kill the enemy. That was the point of flying at night.
There was a post the other day asking about headlights on GVs and running lights on the aircraft. I think that would be great as long as they're controlable (on/off).
So how about it?
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"Life is tough....But it's tougher when you're stupid" (Sgt Stryker, Sands of Iwo Jima)
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I would like to see some night fighters if HTC does that, like the P-61B:cool:
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I loved night time bomb runs and night time looks better somehow in AH2, offline that is. I think it's a little brighter. And the new flame effects and explosions would be great at night.
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i always like the night spells in ah..
some point for and against.
1 it was never long enough for a serious attack in night bombers..
2 many people left the arena when darkness fell..prob the reason htc gave into the demand for its removal
my thoughtds on a remedy:
dont have the whole arena plunged into darkness..have nght time as regional phenomena..i know its not realistic but night time never has been in ah ..also have short icon for bombers 1.5k or so
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Originally posted by NAVCAD
Skuzzy/HTC...
Can we please bring back the true Night Time.
to achieve true realism
Leave the true realism for the CT and TOD!
yes, it does make it harder to find and hit and kill the enemy. That was the point of flying at night.
That doesn't do a thing for the fun per dollar ratio in my game :(
As far as I'm concerned they can make it high noon all the time in the MA! and make the clipboard block the sun, it would in real life :)
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And I would like to know why everytime one of you suspects that someone may not agree with you, he is emedietly labeled a furballer? (as if thats a bad thing). I don't like night, don't like fighting buildings, Don't like mindless furballs, and don't like fighting trees. Could you please find an apropriate label for me? Thank you in advance.
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Originally posted by dedalos
Could you please find an apropriate label for me? Thank you in advance.
I'd have to say you're a phun-seeker as opposed to a phun-sucker which is what I see all these "let's make the MA more realistic" types to be. They seem to want to suck the fun out of the game for everyone else :(
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paging daddyack, there calling you
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Can we have Santa's Slay, the Easter Bunny, The BatMobile and F16s?
This question has been asked, oh heck I don't have that many fingers. Anyways, we are more likely to see the above long before we get true night back. That what I get from the complete silence from HTC on this subject.
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Im ok with either.... But I prefer the mindless furballing and killing toolsheds when its appropriate. Call me a tard I dont care =)
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OK, Yes it has been brought up many, many times. Still I wouldn't mind seeing it back in the MA.
As for Santa, not a bad idea....the F-16 is a lil far fetched though...:):)
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Ok so we cant have the F-16. Can we at least have the B-29 or Dornier DO 335? :D please please can we huh huh???????
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One of Mipoikel's screenshots from a recent snapshot... (that's the cloud layer down there)
(http://www.savanne.org/ah/NF3.jpg)
Night time is a bit different now than it was in AH1 (better graphics, light effects). However, I don't think it would work in the MA anymore. But in the CT, scenarios and maybe in TOD it could be fun for a change.
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Navcad, you can do night stuff in H2H, and you can do this without ruining the game for the rest of us.
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I'm a furballer, and I'm here to flame this thread because it's still a bad idea. Do a search; putting one of these "please screw all the other guys who pay to play and add night so we can hide" threads up every few months isn't going to change much.
This isn't the Realism Simulation arena. This the loose, free form style of gameplay arena. Ask for it in ToD.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
I'm a furballer, and I'm here to flame this thread because it's still a bad idea.
A BK coming to Flame a night or buff thread, I don't believe it.
your pullin me leg.
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If I remember correctly; it wasn't the half hour black of night that was the problem: it was the 45 minute dusk and the 45 minute dawn that were so horrible.
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Originally posted by TDeacon
and you can do this without ruining the game for the rest of us.
Speak for youself SOME ppl like having it night time its better then the 1-2 hours of flyin with the sun in your eyes.
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Hubsonfire.....
OK, so I confused....How is adding realism ruininig the game....????
You speak of ruining the game for everyone else...don't you mean ruining the game for yourself...???
I simply would like to see the added aspect of night time, not to have a place to hide, but add a bit of trueism to what is already argueably the best sim game out there.
So eases up on your "screw all the other guys who pay to play...." attitude.
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If you do not like historical realism in the game, then dig out your first generation Nintendo.
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Originally posted by Seeker
If I remember correctly; it wasn't the half hour black of night that was the problem: it was the 45 minute dusk and the 45 minute dawn that were so horrible.
And we still have that, only instead of it being dark, the sun flips over to the other side of the map.
And I miss night time, I really do. It was here when I first played AH, and I absolutely loved it.
Besides, tracers and flaming planes look absolutely lovely at night :aok
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No.
WW2 was fought at daytime. Night fights were at the edge of *late* WW2 technology.
1 reason i prefer WW2 (or earlier) in a flight game: I don't want to play the simulation of a simulation (called radar).
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Originally posted by Seeker
If I remember correctly; it wasn't the half hour black of night that was the problem: it was the 45 minute dusk and the 45 minute dawn that were so horrible.
now the sunset and dawn are anoying, i would prefer 30 -45min. total dark. I remember in AH1 was fun, specialy fights over CVs, was like fireworks party
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http://www.usaaf.net/ww2/night/nightpg11.htm
I thought this interesting.
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Nighttime would be pointless. When we had many people complained about it and most people just turned up the gamma so they could see ruining the whole point of nighttime by making it look like daytime.
If there was a nighttime we should have radar on planes which would make it more historic and probably less people would turn up the gamma.
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Originally posted by ThunderEGG
If you do not like historical realism in the game, then dig out your first generation Nintendo.
If you like your "realism" so much start lobbying to get night time in the CT and TOD. Most of the time I just log off during the dawn/dusk period, a total waste of my time. Gamma is not the solution either!!!
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Originally posted by Zwerg
No.
WW2 was fought at daytime. Night fights were at the edge of *late* WW2 technology.
1 reason i prefer WW2 (or earlier) in a flight game: I don't want to play the simulation of a simulation (called radar).
LMAO please tell me you joking. You ever hear of RAF night bomber raids and 110 night fighters and mossi night fighters.what was that time frame 1942-1943
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I recommend you just turn down your video gamma and fly around pretending that it is night. When we had night, everyone just turned their gamma up to make it daytime.
It's a no-win situation and I think HTC has made the right decision.
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Originally posted by Rolex
I recommend you just turn down your video gamma and fly around pretending that it is night. When we had night, everyone just turned their gamma up to make it daytime.
It's a no-win situation and I think HTC has made the right decision.
That's right, at the first hint of darkness I turn up the gamma settings and I know I am not the only one. The only way night would work is if the option for gamma was disabled during the night.
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I think I hear daddyack about to post
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Originally posted by Rolex
I recommend you just turn down your video gamma and fly around pretending that it is night. When we had night, everyone just turned their gamma up to make it daytime.
It's a no-win situation and I think HTC has made the right decision.
Games like Natural Selection have special coding to prevent gamma cheating. It works.
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Originally posted by TrueKill
LMAO please tell me you joking. You ever hear of RAF night bomber raids and 110 night fighters and mossi night fighters.what was that time frame 1942-1943
OK Truekill. Make it middle to late war then. But yet it was on the edge. It was the beginning of plane based radar. Still rather primitive. It's only after WW2 that plane based radar was developped to a "usable state".
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Originally posted by Fruda
Games like Natural Selection have special coding to prevent gamma cheating. It works.
Great idea!
Then the majority of folks that think "night" is foolish in what is basically a "Day VFR Fighter" game will no longer adjust their gamma setting and keep playing.
Instead, they will adust their "exit" button and log off. And, if the idiotic system that kept bringing on the night during US Prime Time is used again, they may adjust the "delete account" option under Admin.
But hey... at least a very small minority of players will get to pretend it was normal to fly day VFR fighters in combat at night.
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Originally posted by Zwerg
OK Truekill. Make it middle to late war then. But yet it was on the edge. It was the beginning of plane based radar. Still rather primitive. It's only after WW2 that plane based radar was developped to a "usable state".
Only one talking about radar is you. Im talking about night time.
Theres no such thing as plane based dar in AH. and about the night time raids in WW2 i forgot about german night raids on england in 1941. so thats 41-45 4 outa the 6 years of the war thats alot of it. we now have what 5-6hours daylight 1-2hours dusk/dawn what will 30mins of night time hurt? IMO flying in the dark makes things just that much better. and for the ppl whineing "waaa i cant see when its night it ruins the game for me" 30mins of night wont make you quit the game and if it does then that just stupid and see ya.
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Originally posted by TrueKill
we now have what 5-6hours daylight 1-2hours dusk/dawn what will 30mins of night time hurt?
So, around 2 1/2 hours of dusk/dawn/dark, hmmmm.... just long enough to take in a good DVD :aok
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I have no problem with night if the following conditions are met:
1. No icons at all.
2. Realistic ground based radar and command systems.
3. Realistically modelled on board radars and human radar operators who join your flight like gunners do currently.
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Originally posted by Rolex
I recommend you just turn down your video gamma and fly around pretending that it is night. When we had night, everyone just turned their gamma up to make it daytime.
It's a no-win situation and I think HTC has made the right decision.
If we could equip our planes with radar it would sound better to have night time but with no radar its kinda pointless. I think most people would be less likely to turn up their gamma if they can equip their planes with radar.
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Hopefully when TOD gets going, HTC will see fit to remove the dusk/dawn periods as well...
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Originally posted by TDeacon
Hopefully when TOD gets going, HTC will see fit to remove the dusk/dawn periods as well...
I'd like to see a vote on it, paying members only... what do you think HT?
"No dawn/dusk/night in the MA"
yes [ ]
no [ ]
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Originally posted by NAVCAD
Hubsonfire.....
OK, so I confused....
You speak of ruining the game for everyone else...don't you mean ruining the game for yourself...???
You're confused because I didn't say that.
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Navcad, I said that.
"everyone else" means the majority who play in the MA. I base this evaluation on the numerous other threads which have appeared on this topic, and on HTC's response to this issue.
Suggest you do a string search for "night".
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Originally posted by TrueKill
Only one talking about radar is you.
Question of time. :D
Im talking about night time.
So am I. My point was: WW2 air war was typically fought on day. Because technology for night air war wasn't advanced. Take my radar statement as a sidenote.
Btw: SELECTOR has a good solution:
my thoughtds on a remedy:
dont have the whole arena plunged into darkness..have nght time as regional phenomena..i know its not realistic but night time never has been in ah ..also have short icon for bombers 1.5k or so
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Totally Agree,......
With the return of night time that is.
I have been gone for far too long, though some would argue not long enough. I desperately wanted the return of night and still do. It is refreshing to me to see others whoom cry out for the retun of night.
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Originally posted by Zwerg
Question of time. :D
So am I. My point was: WW2 air war was typically fought on day. Because technology for night air war wasn't advanced. Take my radar statement as a sidenote.
Btw: SELECTOR has a good solution:
I accept your point that interception wasn't as advanced; but niether was flight.
The first raids over London were in WWI without radar.
However; the buffs were so sucky (by MA standards) that you could hear 'em coming as a pedestrian and call the RAF and tell 'em where to look (which is about what happened).
Likewise; WWII radar was patchy; but so was WWII concealment. If you've ever been to a night time drag meet you'll know what I mean; you can see those engines for miles.
My point is; WWII was fought 24/7; that's what total war means.
It could be you haven't seen a night sim you like; that doesn't mean the night war wasn't there.
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Dakota tribal wisdom says that when you discover you are riding a dead horse, the best strategy is to dismount. However, in business we often try other strategies with dead horses, including the following:
1. Buying a stronger whip.
2. Changing riders.
3. Say things like, "This is the way we have always ridden this horse."
4. Appointing a committee to study the horse.
5. Arranging to visit other sites to see how they ride dead horses.
6. Increasing the standards to ride dead horses.
7. Appointing a tiger team to revive the dead horse.
8. Creating a training session to increase our riding ability.
9. Comparing the state of dead horses in todays environment.
10. Change the requirements declaring that "This horse is not dead."
11. Hire contractors to ride the dead horse.
12. Harnessing several dead horses together for increased speed.
13. Declaring that "No horse is too dead to beat."
14. Providing additional funding to increase the horse's performance.
15. Do a Cost Analysis study to see if contractors can ride it cheaper.
16. Purchase a product to make dead horses run faster.
17. Declare the horse is "better, faster and cheaper" dead.
18. Form a quality circle to find uses for dead horses.
19. Revisit the performance requirements for horses.
20. Say this horse was procured with cost as an independent variable.
21. Promote the dead horse to a supervisory position.
Maybe I missed it IN the now CLOSED thread... but I'm pretty sure HT said no already (at least once) ;)
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Originally posted by Alpo
Dakota tribal wisdom says that when you discover you are riding a dead horse, the best strategy is to dismount. However, in business we often try other strategies with dead horses, including the following:
1. Buying a stronger whip.
2. Changing riders.
3. Say things like, "This is the way we have always ridden this horse."
4. Appointing a committee to study the horse.
5. Arranging to visit other sites to see how they ride dead horses.
6. Increasing the standards to ride dead horses.
7. Appointing a tiger team to revive the dead horse.
8. Creating a training session to increase our riding ability.
9. Comparing the state of dead horses in todays environment.
10. Change the requirements declaring that "This horse is not dead."
11. Hire contractors to ride the dead horse.
12. Harnessing several dead horses together for increased speed.
13. Declaring that "No horse is too dead to beat."
14. Providing additional funding to increase the horse's performance.
15. Do a Cost Analysis study to see if contractors can ride it cheaper.
16. Purchase a product to make dead horses run faster.
17. Declare the horse is "better, faster and cheaper" dead.
18. Form a quality circle to find uses for dead horses.
19. Revisit the performance requirements for horses.
20. Say this horse was procured with cost as an independent variable.
21. Promote the dead horse to a supervisory position.
Maybe I missed it IN the now CLOSED thread... but I'm pretty sure HT said no already (at least once) ;)
Saved!
:)
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Night was better than the perpetual dawn/dusk sun-in-your-eyes that seems to be the norm during prime-time. But I'd rather see more weather effects than nighttime.
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HiTech could make nightime return but return it at UK prime time!!! The RAF flew rather a lot at night!!!!! ;)
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Originally posted by Hoarach
If there was a nighttime we should have radar on planes which would make it more historic and probably less people would turn up the gamma.
show me the plane in this game that doesnt have radar please.
Hell even the GVs have radar
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After reading the posts from DaddyAck about night time, wind weather, and the numerous, sometimes heated responses, And also after seeing Hitech's reply....I still am in favor for night and weather and wind.
In AH1 you had to pay attention to where the wind was comming from. Take off down wind in fully loaded Lancs and you quickly ran out of runway. So there had to be a little pre-flight planning done.
I don't think I ever saw rain on the wind screen, but the lower cloud layer definitely added some wrinkles to both offense and defense. (bombers couldn't see through the clouds, Ftrs couldn't see the bombers) Oh you knew the enemy was there because of DAR, but it added a little more ..."difficulty" if you will.
The number one gripe I hear about Night Time is that it will be used to "sneak around and hide from fighting...", or something to that effect. Granted, there may be some of that, but I think the majority (and I may be speaking out of turn) of the people that want night time back actually enjoyed the added difficulty associated with flying at night. It's harder to bomb acurately, harder to find the bad guys, much harder for the GV's to find each other, or for the manned ack or shore batterys to find the enemy.
I know this horse has been reapeatedly beaten and is completly unrecognizable to it's friends and family, but IMHO I think that night, clouds and mabey even some light rain would be a fun addition to what is already the best flt sim game on the net.
Sorry HiTech for dragging a closed thread into this post, but it looked to me that there were more replys in favor of the additions than against.
However, all of this being said.....You are still the Boss, what you say goes, and I respect that....even if I don't fully agree with it.
Just my thoughts.
Respectfully
NAVCAD
"Life is tough......But it's tougher when you're stupid..."
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You veteran pilots are forgetting the new guys. You know, the new people who are still trying to "just survive" all the people who help boost your stats with easy kills. You know the guys you like to call dweebs and noobs.... Add night, make it more difficult.... yea, great idea, NOT. If you want to make things real, buy a real plane.
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Never liked night because you either had to tab out of the game and turn up gamma or log or change arenas.
Now that HT put gamma right in the in-game interface I really don't care.
Be funny to make all the milkrunners go boom and they never see you.
I recall the 262 was alot of fun during gamma time. ;)
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I'm sure a night fight would be pretty cool and I hope to do it some day but, it seems like something for the events arena.
Gamma? Gamma is a good example of the many many aspects of AH. There is so much to learn and so many things to do, so many different settings...
AH is a great game I am having a ton of fun dispite the fact I get killed 10 times for every kill I log. I'm looking forward to making time to tag up with a trainer which is another cool feature of AH, they have people willing to be traniners!
Night flight, sure it would be cool just offer it in another arena.
ONEiJAQ
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Originally posted by bigsky406
I'm sure a night fight would be pretty cool and I hope to do it some day but, it seems like something for the events arena.
Gamma? Gamma is a good example of the many many aspects of AH. There is so much to learn and so many things to do, so many different settings...
AH is a great game I am having a ton of fun dispite the fact I get killed 10 times for every kill I log. I'm looking forward to making time to tag up with a trainer which is another cool feature of AH, they have people willing to be traniners!
Night flight, sure it would be cool just offer it in another arena.
ONEiJAQ
Try Widewing, TC or Silat. Others may teach you to run and bail which is not a good thing for you or AH. These three can help you immensely.
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Originally posted by bigsky406
You veteran pilots are forgetting the new guys. You know, the new people who are still trying to "just survive" all the people who help boost your stats with easy kills. You know the guys you like to call dweebs and noobs.... Add night, make it more difficult.... yea, great idea, NOT. If you want to make things real, buy a real plane.
Never called a new guy a dweeb. New and dweeb are two different things. As you will be finding out soon, most dweebs have been in the game for years ;)
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if you're sitting in front of a pc discussing cartoon airplanes, or playing a game involving them, you're a dweeb.
Night would probably run off more customers then it would gain, and irritate more than it would benefit. While night was a novelty, and I enjoyed it as such, numbers typically plummeted, and I need other people in cartoon planes to shoot at. If night means fewer of them, I have to vote against it.